That would naturally be the case if Rakshas is to have anything to do with Skully, since we already know Femto certainly was expecting him. You'd think Zodd would be clued in too though... wait, of course, his natural reaction was all part of the plan! =)Uriel said:Maybe Femto was expecting Skully to show up and asked Rakshas to be their for that very reason?
Well, we keep thinking of new heads for him to lop off, but thus far he hasn't actually lopped off any. It just seems like it should be a specialty of his.BerserkMJM said:
We already know Femto was expecting him. It's the first thing he says in the episode. But Rakshas' involvement is still a complete unknown. I still say he was there _just_ to witness Ganishka's fall. There's still a chance we could see a little more from his experiences on it in the following episodes.Uriel said:Maybe Femto was expecting Skully to show up and asked Rakshas to be their for that very reason?
Forget the Interstice man, it's just the brink between worlds -- not a real destination. Neither Schierke nor Flora explicitly include Apostles during their explanation in vol 24 about the inhabitants of the different worlds. However, since they're still essentially humans whose existence has been corrupted by evil, I'd say they're closer to the Astral world than the Ideal, yeah.Malachai said:The way i currently see it is that when a human (such as ganishka) becomes an apostle their form becomes more closely tied to the spiritual world, i'm guessing more closely than Guts or Casca (where the brand puts a person)...so beyond the interstice? Apostles are certainly closer to the abyss.
Indeed, it's not necessarily so at all. The Abyss is a huge "ocean of feelings." The Idea of Evil, or the portion we saw of it, only exists at a specific place within it.I doubt his descent into the abyss because i'm guessing that anyone who would travel to such an area would meet the Idea and that he would have remarked on it in some manner. But this is not necessarily so.
Hehehe, yeah, that's pretty much a guarantee. They'll be pointing out the elves as the Trolls and Ogres lumber out of the forest to rape their womenIn any case, i doubt people back in Midland will have trouble seeing Puck now.
What will happen to the world is still unknown as far as the specifics of it. And while there may be positive outcomes for those who can utilize them (magicians), when you come right down to it, the God Hand are not a charitable organization. There must be some devious way they can take advantage of this merging. I just can't imagine these evil overlords would "bless" the world in a way that would truly benefit everyone. But just what that negative repercussion will be remains to be seen for now. But it's very intriguing...gh-zodd said:do you think we will see some "good" spirits making appearances now that the worlds are becoming merged?
He's likely been through much more than this before. If he truly is Gaiseric, I imagine he won't rest until the destruction of his empire is avenged. This would just be an "oops" moment for him.Henry Spencer said:What the hell will SK do now? Will his fighting spirit be broken after this turn of events?
I was wondering that my self. I think at this point, Miura, might just switch back over to the boat. That way when they get back to the mainland, we will see the changes from Guts and co's perspective.Walter said:======
Quotes aside, I'm wondering if this is really the end of the Falconia Chapter. It feels to me like there could be oooone more episode in it to wrap the whole thing up before the inevitable changeover to Guts as the new chapter begins. I'm REAAALLY looking forward to the next few episodes! I haven't been this on-the-edge-of-my-seat in a while.
Well it might not be an actual change per se. More like they're washed over by the wave of light and see things through their spiritual selves because of it. I wouldn't expect people to constantly look like that from now on if I were you.Malachai said:Its interesting to me that while Miura show's us a clear change in the outward appearance of the humans (in which they all look like they've entered astral projections of themselves ala magic) we don't see any apostles? Are they going to change?
Yeah, as much as I like the idea, the way I envisioned it in the former thread was more like he'd do it in the midst of some intense action, and even then it wasn't the likeliest thing. Yet, since we didn't see SK leave, it remains a possibility that Rakshas could have somehow managed to jump through a portal after him.Griffith said:I thought of that too because it would be easy to lose him in the similarly ragged draping around Skull Knight's horse, would be really cool, and mostly because we still don't know what the hell he was doing up there, other than observing. That said, Rakshas being able to pull that off without SK knowing seems as far-fetched to me as Skully hitting Femto completely unawares: unlikely to succeed.
There's also the possibility that he was just observing, maybe even for personal reasons (and I guess Griffith wouldn't really care all in all). It'd be cool to see him get Daiba on the way down, though.Griffith said:Anyway, I'm curious to see what Rakshas role in this is; was he shown just to establish that he was in fact there, serving as a bodyguard, or has he yet to complete his duty, whether that involve Skully, Daiba, or whatever?
Somehow I doubt that.BerserkMJM said:
You make this sound very complicated when it's really very simple. Ganishka was filled with power he took from the abyss. SK's sword can cut through the worlds. It cut through Ganishka (beyond the mere physical level) and unleashed the huge power he had stored inside his giant body. That's it. Whether the merging of the worlds played a role or not is unknown.Malachai said:It seems to me that the necessary components for this reaction to occur are as follows: a twice transformed human (ganishka), a deep connection to the spiritual realm (provided by the beherit sword), and probably the merging of the realms
Since we can be as nuanced as possible, allow me to say that this formulation is a bit misleading. The old Griffith ceased to exist when Femto was born. He was transformed, and he was given a new name for a reason: because while he's the same in some ways, he's also fundamentally different. What happened at the end of volume 21 was that Femto came into the world and was embodied in flesh. It's not the old Griffith that came back after spending a while wandering as a spirit. It's a different being, despite the similarities. Nuanced enough for you?Malachai said:the reincarnation of Griffith
To change the world. That fits the God Hand's agenda, and beyond them, the Idea of Evil's plans. How or why, we don't know yet.Malachai said:I guess my question is: why did this happen?
That's a confusing way to put it, especially since you use vague words here ("form"). When someone becomes an apostle, his spiritual self is changed. Infused with evil. In turn, that changes his corporeal body. And when an apostle dies, as his soul departs and joins the Vortex, his body reverts to its normal self. The key to understand things here is that what is empowered is not the corporeal. It only reflects the changes that take place on a deeper level.Malachai said:The way i currently see it is that when a human (such as ganishka) becomes an apostle their form becomes more closely tied to the spiritual world, i'm guessing more closely than Guts or Casca (where the brand puts a person)...so beyond the interstice? Apostles are certainly closer to the abyss.
"Apostle's womb"? What a misnomer. When did that become an acceptable name? It's just apostles sewn together and filled with amniotic fluid. Let's not be too creative about it. Anyway, when Ganishka transmutated again, he became something beyond apostles (and it's useless to compare him to them anymore at this point). There is no need to search for vague, unclear and unsure explanations when what he says sums it all up perfectly: "I reached the abyss of the evil world, and have gained power..."Malachai said:When Ganishka put himself inside the apostle's womb he, obviously, changed again. I'd say that his connection to the abyss was far stronger and that level of connection to this realm is clearly represented in not only the difference in his form from other apostles, but also in his overall consciousness and awareness of the world around him.
The problem here is to define what's part of the abyss and what isn't. Where it starts and ends. If you figure the abyss is the hole in the middle of the Vortex of Souls, then wouldn't reaching the Vortex of Souls also mean reaching the top of the abyss? I believe that trying to define places and apply limits to them by ourselves without having a solid basis for it is not a good thing. For example, "the scope of the Eclipse ceremonies" doesn't really mean anything. We know absolutely nothing about the place where Griffith's Occultation ceremony happened. And we know even less about the abyss ("abyss" being in itself a rather generic term that could be applied to different things in different contexts).Malachai said:Ganishka's initial remarks about reaching the abyss and drawing up its power are somewhat questionable in my mind. That is to say, i'm not entirely sure he entered the abyss, where the Idea resides but entered an area beyond the scope of the Eclipse ceremonies for certain (the vortex of souls?).
Like you say, it is not necessarily so. In fact, since we know practically nothing about the Ideal part of the world, the Abyss, or the Idea of Evil, I would say that it's a pretty bad idea to assume what should or shouldn't happen in there. One thing we know is that the "ocean" that is down there is vast. Extremely so, from what we've seen of it.Malachai said:I doubt his descent into the abyss because i'm guessing that anyone who would travel to such an area would meet the Idea and that he would have remarked on it in some manner. But this is not necessarily so.
What is "intact apostle body" supposed to mean here? I just don't see how it's related at all. Ganishka, as an apostle having some magical knowledge, used the "artificial beherit" he and Daiba had created to take power for himself directly from the source. Not necessarily "housing" the whole Vortex of Souls within himself, but maybe having leeched some of it.Malachai said:To me, it seems like his intact apostle body, combined with his strong will, allowed him to keep some semblance of form and ego upon coming in contact with the vortex of souls to the point where he even houses it within himself. His desire for the light could be contrasted with the evil spirits desire for bodily warmth?
The Idea of Evil is indeed the creator and master of the beherits, however their creation process isn't detailed aside from what Griffith sees as he descends towards the abyss in volume 13.Malachai said:(beherits seem to be tied to the abyss given their point of creation: The Idea)
We know that the worlds are merging. "The physical realm weakening" is something you made up.Malachai said:a general overlap of the realms/ weakening of the Physical realm (Griffith's ability to perform miracles and make people believe in the impossible seems to be contributing to this in addition to his presence)
Then why do you think Ganishka was mistaken when he said he went to the abyss?Malachai said:I base such speculation on the similarities to the abyss (see: lost episode) and pg 10-11 of 304 ( where ganishka is being replaced by a gigantic hole)
The abyss isn't a "world". It's just an area at the bottom of the astral world. You're contradicting yourself in your own paragraph here. Anyway, what's hard to get in "the worlds are merging"? Why the need to relate it to pulling or pouring? Anyhow, if I had to choose between the two, right now I'd rather say something is spilling into the world.Malachai said:if that's the case...then it seems almost as if one world is being bypassed to bring the abyss closer to the physical realm. Given the way we've seen the beherit sword work in the past, as in Qliphoth, it seems likely that the physical realm is being pulled into the astral realm, thus helping to explain the astral like forms all the people are seen to take. Alternatively, it could be the other realms pouring into the physical realm (almost as if spiritual concentrations had properties akin to pressures of science).
Who or what is "Beast"?Malachai said:What happens to Beast!?
It's very possible. One thing I've been wondering about is whether the God Hand can fully control what's happening or not. This new world with different principles could also mean that they will be more vulnerable in a way.gh-zodd said:do you think we will see some "good" spirits making appearances now that the worlds are becoming merged?
Who knows. But I don't think that'll stop him or even depress him (is he even capable of being depressed?). It'd be more his style to digest what happened and then think of a way to succeed the next time. Look at his reaction when his attack failed: he just factually commented on what Femto did.Henry Spencer said:What the hell will SK do now? Will his fighting spirit be broken after this turn of events?
Nothing important. Check the first posts I made in this thread and you'll have most of it.Henry Spencer said:What does the preview text on page 21 say?
Thought he had it wrapped up until the river card came and Femto won the hand.Uriel said:Just finished reading it.
Skullknight done fucked up now!
Skull Knight was not destined to succeed at that point in time given the causality concept. The success, if and when it comes will most likely be an X factor, a random variable, that will break the chain of causality. Whoever or whatever represents that variable could be Guts, SK or someone/something else. Remember, the Idea of Evil didn't come to being because of people thinking happy thoughts.Funkmasta Zeph said:Guts is going to have to go through some super powerup if he even wants to get to Skull Knight's level of not succeding.
They are episodes not chapters (someone else would have come in anyways to corrected you.)EUIX said:The past few chapters have been blowing me away. Anyhow just had a comment since it seems pretty clear Femto was expecting SK and may or may not have needed SK's intervention to usher in the new world I am curious as to say maybe SK also knew that his attack would cause this changeover. Perhaps Femto/Griffith will somehow be "attackable" in the new world/vunerable and SK needed this to happen as much as Femto did. A "just as planned moment" for both parties perhaps?
I wonder how they'll be affected, but the thing is, I'm not sure there are many like her left.gh-zodd said:I'm curious if this forces others with power like Flora out of hiding since I THINK it might be easier for them to be reached/attacked because of the recent events.
I don't think he did. He aimed his attack at Femto, not at Ganishka. And it's Femto it would have hit if he hadn't distorted space.EUIX said:I am curious as to say maybe SK also knew that his attack would cause this changeover.
It's a possibility (I mentioned it in my last post), however once again I don't think SK really meant things to happen like that.EUIX said:Perhaps Femto/Griffith will somehow be "attackable" in the new world/vunerable and SK needed this to happen as much as Femto did.
Haha, now that's a hard question. Maybe spiritual creatures will be roaming the world. If trolls, ogres, kelpies and other such creatures are everywhere things are going to be tough for the average villager. And what if specters attacked people at night like they've been attacking Guts & Casca so far? Bring on the curfew. As for a white castle showing up, who knows. Falconia (the new capital) could also be rebuilt by Wyndham's citizens and Griffith's army (humans and apostles together). Or maybe when the light fades, a perfect city will be standing where Wyndham was before.Death May Die said:So I wonder what the new world is going to be like? If its any worst than some of troubled towns of Berserk, times are going hard. I wonder if a big white castle is going to show up, and Griffith instantly becomes a king now that nothing is standing in his way. I mean he goats everything he needs, a princess, soldiers that are human and monster, he gots commoners, and even some of the religious folk. All he needs now a place with a throne, and after this big battle I bet everyone there is willing to fall to their needs for him. Thinking he beat such a creature and that good stuff.
What's still interesting to ponder is if it was an isolated incident targeting her individually for her unique status, as it appears, or if it was one example of something greater being systematically carried out, perhaps still; a magic user final solution of sorts.Aazealh said:I wonder how they'll be affected, but the thing is, I'm not sure there are many like her left.
The way Femto was literally manipulating it between his fingers makes you wonder if the blow was even a direct deflection of Skully's original strike, or if Femto captured it for his own, spun it around, and could have played jump rope with it, before slapping it down between Ganishka's eyes. Or, if there's even a difference, but semantics and interpretation aside, whether or not Femto was being more passive or active about it, I doubt it was an accident on Femto's part.Aazealh said:I don't think he did. He aimed his attack at Femto, not at Ganishka. And it's Femto it would have hit if he hadn't distorted space.
Yeah, doubtful considering his reaction.Aazealh said:I don't think SK really meant things to happen like that.
A perfect city, perhaps even a... http://chocolatecity.ytmnd.com/Aazealh said:As for a white castle showing up, who knows. Falconia (the new capital) could also be rebuilt by Wyndham's citizens and Griffith's army (humans and apostles together). Or maybe when the light fades, a perfect city will be standing where Wyndham was before.
Indeed. Since there hasn't been any mention of a widescale witch hunt, I tend to think it was an isolated incident. However I've also been thinking that magic users could possibly be persecuted in the "new world". Maybe some people will also start developing powers (like Sonia?) arbitrarily. Lots of interesting possibilities.Griffith said:What's still interesting to ponder is if it was an isolated incident targeting her individually for her unique status, as it appears, or if it was one example of something greater being systematically carried out, perhaps still; a magic user final solution of sorts.
Yeah it's true the panels aren't completely clear on whether Femto simply deformed the slash so it'd hit Ganishka or if he stopped it, then used it for himself. In any case, it shows once more how superior the members of the God Hand are to anything else. They're just on a completely different level.Griffith said:The way Femto was literally manipulating it between his fingers makes you wonder if the blow was even a direct deflection of Skully's original strike, or if Femto captured it for his own, spun it around, and could have played jump rope with it, before slapping it down between Ganishka's eyes. Or, if there's even a difference, but semantics and interpretation aside, whether or not Femto was being more passive or active about it, I doubt it was an accident on Femto's part.
As a matter of fact people have said so long ago already. However can you tell me how and why would Daiba join Guts? They didn't get along so well the last time they met, and I doubt things have changed, especially as far as Guts is concerned. He's not a fan of people who associate with apostles. And they aren't exactly next to each other right now anyway.Clawed The Bum said:I don't know if someone else has said this but!!!!!! Ganishka has died so Daiba doesnt have no one to follow. He's going to be the next person to join Guts crew!
One last time? It's not like he's ever attacked either one of them before. And considering the fact Ganishka just exploded to his face, he might not have the opportunity to do anything at all. SK's most likely already gone, and what could Daiba possibly hope to do to Femto anyway?Clawed The Bum said:I think that Daiba will attack Femto or maybe SK one last time, but Rakshas will be all like "I will be the one to kill him" and deflect his blow.
Rakshas was stuck inside Zodd's wing. He came up there along with Griffith in episode 302. And Rakshas is not trying to kill Griffith/Femto. He's serving him.Clawed The Bum said:Also, was Raskhas waiting on top of Ganishka the whole time or was he waiting for Femto? If Femto knew that SK would be there wouldn't he know about him?