Episode 376

There are other things we should wait and see. I think there is still hope that the city where they are currently at is a Barikara hideout, as it is surrounded by mountains. Although the sheer size makes it improbable, we could be watching something akin to the hidden city of Gondolin.
That ship has sailed. The hideout is not supposed to be in the Kushan empire, and hated exiles wouldn't be in charge of Kushan remnants anyway. This is clearly supposed to be the imperial capital instead.

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And errors that either Miura Sensei already committed, that we maybe should not think of errors at all.
Not to read into this, but I seriously hope the defense for this continuation doesn't evolve into casting shade on the man himself. As it stands people are verging pretty close to this with this ridiculous idea that Mori is just a robot strictly working with what Miura left him and what's already in the manga.
 
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Not to read into this, but I seriously hope the defense for this continuation doesn't evolve into casting shade on the man himself. As it stands people are verging pretty close to this with this ridiculous idea that Mori is just a robot strictly working with what Miura left him and what's already in the manga.

Sadly predictable. Similarly some people will come in claiming they're the biggest fans only to end up saying Berserk sucks and they never liked it because they don't want to admit they're wrong about something. Just mindboggling bad faith.
 
Despite that the lack of meaning dialogues and the odd retcons (the Cherry Blossom Tree being an Spiritual Tree and the fact that it destruction vanished any supernatural being), the continuation don’t was so incoherent until the episode 373, where they starts to fuck off almost every logic and concepts in the manga. Why Silat commands regular Kushan soldiers instead of Bakiraka? any Bakiraka won’t command a Kushan empire ‘cause them were an margined clan. Therefore, Why Serpico and the Great Gurus said that the witches and wizards lost their powers? Why Silat and co goes to Kushan Capital instead the Bakiraka Hideout how Silat said to Rickert before? Why Kushan empire weren’t affected by Fantasia?
 
Despite that the lack of meaning dialogues and the odd retcons (the Cherry Blossom Tree being an Spiritual Tree and the fact that it destruction vanished any supernatural being), the continuation don’t was so incoherent until the episode 373

I have to disagree, it had problems right from the beginning. For example the way they treated Guts isn't something you can overlook.
 
The idea that Daiba will now teach and lead the young mages is absolutely nonsensical.

  • Griffith sent some of his best warriors (Zodd and Grunbeld) plus over a dozen other apostles just to kill Flora and destroy her Spirit Tree.
  • Griffith didn't even bother to kill Daiba. He doesn't even consider Daiba (the best Kushan sorcerer) to be a threat. He literally allowed Daiba to live as a refugee in Falconia.

And
  • Daiba never summoned anything as powerful as the 4 Elemental Kings or The Wheel Of Flame.
  • Daiba was defeated and humiliated by Guts' party during the battle in Vritannis.
  • Daiba couldn't even hurt Rakshas, but an explosive rocket from Rickert's bazooka did.
And I don't believe that Miura planned for Schierke, Isidro, and Rickert to still be children by the time any final "war" with Griffith / the Neo-Band Of The Hawk / Falconia happens.

Think about it.
  • Rickert is supposed to become the greatest blacksmith and inventor in the world, and eventually refurbish Guts' sword and armor.
  • Isidro is supposed to become a competent warrior.
  • Schierke is supposed to become the greatest young magic user in the world.
And don't forget that Farnese is still an entry-level mage. She is not ready to "go to war" right now.

They need a real time skip, probably 8 to 10 years.
 
And I don't believe that Miura planned for Schierke, Isidro, and Rickert to still be children by the time any final "war" with Griffith / the Neo-Band Of The Hawk / Falconia happens.

Think about it.
  • Rickert is supposed to become the greatest blacksmith and inventor in the world, and eventually refurbish Guts' sword and armor.
  • Isidro is supposed to become a competent warrior.
  • Schierke is supposed to become the greatest young magic user in the world.
And don't forget that Farnese is still an entry-level mage. She is not ready to "go to war" right now.

They need a real time skip, probably 8 to 10 years.
I have no idea what Miura had in mind regarding the evolution of the characters you mentioned, but honestly I don't think a shonen-ish time skip to make them become more powerful would fit in a manga like Berserk. We are going off topic, but imho the key to "winning" (whatever that means) should not be looked into mere combat power.
 
I don't think a shonen-ish time skip to make them become more powerful would fit in a manga like Berserk.

I meant that a new story arc was supposed to happen before any "final war" with Falconia. Of course the "time skip" would not be something as simple as "and now all these characters are more powerful and more experienced". There is no DBZ-style "time chamber" in Berserk and Miura would never write it like that.

I assumed that Guts' party, Roderick and his crew, plus all the surviving mages (old and young) from Skellig Island would be going to Roderick's kingdom and that they would create a new safe haven there.

During this new story arc Rickert, Erica, Daiba, Silat, and the Bakiraka warriors would continue to grow and develop while facing the various threats and challenges that would happen to them in and around the Bakiraka stronghold.

I did not expect the story to go in a very bizarre direction, i.e. "Silat is leading the Kushan army... and they are going to war with Falconia right now". That makes absolutely no sense.
 
And I don't believe that Miura planned for Schierke, Isidro, and Rickert to still be children by the time any final "war" with Griffith / the Neo-Band Of The Hawk / Falconia happens.

Think about it.
  • Rickert is supposed to become the greatest blacksmith and inventor in the world, and eventually refurbish Guts' sword and armor.
  • Isidro is supposed to become a competent warrior.
  • Schierke is supposed to become the greatest young magic user in the world.
And don't forget that Farnese is still an entry-level mage. She is not ready to "go to war" right now.

They need a real time skip, probably 8 to 10 years.
I am sorry, but those are all your assumptions. I don't think everyone thought Rickert would become the world's greatest blacksmith. Isidro is more akin to a thief/rogue than a warrior. Shierke becoming the greatest magician in the world? I don't think that is the road Miura intended to go, especially with so many powerful mages still alive, like Gedfring (who is a thousand years old) and the others.

I'm afraid that is not how power works in Berserk, and a confrontation is certainly out of the question. In my opinion, the ending Miura intended to create was more similar to a Greek tragedy or something like Macbeth and Hamlet, than a regular shounen with a final battle.

And a time skip would never fit Berserk, and would make no difference. There is no difference between a young Isidro, vs an older, more skilled one when you are facing an interdimensional deity created by men's collective unconscious or five eldritch beings that can manipulate matter itself.
 
I'm afraid that is not how power works in Berserk, and a confrontation is certainly out of the question. In my opinion, the ending Miura intended to create was more similar to a Greek tragedy or something like Macbeth and Hamlet, than a regular shounen with a final battle.

Human beings have tremendous power in the world of Berserk. They literally created a god, the Idea Of Evil. They willed the IOE into existence.
The IOE created the behelits, which led to the creation of the Godhand and the apostles.
Anything that is created by human beings can also be destroyed by human beings.
Griffith considers all old, experienced magic users to be a threat. Why? If he is truly invincible, no magic should be able to harm him.

Guts and Casca are still branded, their "safe haven" options are very limited. Skellig Island was never a long-term solution.
The Bakiraka Village is another option but it's also not a long-term solution. You don't really expect Griffith to allow other safe havens to exist in the world, safe havens that could someday become a viable alternative to Falconia, do you?
Falconia is not an option for obvious reasons. Do I even need to explain why?

Even if Guts sincerely wanted to forgive Griffith, post-Eclipse Griffith is irredeemable. He is a psychopath and 100% evil. He is a servant of an evil god, a god which exists only to give humans reasons for pain, suffering, sadness, etc.
A final, decisive battle with Griffith is inevitable.

The supernatural power of Guts' sword is an incredibly important plot device that wasn't introduced for no reason. It is not only capable of wounding and eventually killing any astral being, it can even be enchanted with elemental spirits. That's really important.

Also, Griffith has a critical weakness -- the Moonlight Boy.
Expect Guts' and Casca's child to play a huge role in the final confrontation with Griffith. I will not be surprised if the Moonlight Boy will somehow be the cause of Griffith's death. It will be a perfect and well deserved ending for Griffith, i.e. the woman he raped gave birth to a supernatural child and this child caused his downfall.

There is no difference between a young Isidro, vs an older, more skilled one

That's not what we see in Berserk.

There is a big difference between child Guts vs 15 y/o Guts vs 19 y/o Guts vs 21 y/o Black Swordsman Guts.

Why would a young adult Isidro, who is now a much better warrior and can properly support Schierke (and other mages) on the battlefield, "not make a difference"?
 
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A final, decisive battle with Griffith is inevitable.
Yeah I disagree that it's a given that we're heading towards a tragic finale (I've always been frustrated by people who want misery for consistency's sake), or that SOME kind of battle isn't inevitable, I just think that an outright war like the one being set up now would be unlikely even with a time skip. It's also hard to imagine how a time skip could even be accommodated, given that Casca's abduction was almost certainly Miura's idea. I seriously doubt the party would just twiddle their thumbs in Ys after that.
 
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My guess is the ending will likely mirror Lord of the Rings: I think a final showdown between Caska, Guts and Griffith will take place on the night of the full moon, away from a massive battlefield that will serve as a diversion.

I don't care if I'm correct, so skip the part where you respond that I'm an idiot. Speculation of a random fan.
 
Human beings have tremendous power in the world of Berserk. They literally created a god, the Idea Of Evil. They willed the IOE into existence.
The IOE created the behelits, which led to the creation of the Godhand and the apostles.
I think you are misinterpreting how things work in Berserk. Humans did not create the Idea of Evil (which we still can't assume is canon, since Miura decided to remove it, but still). The Idea of Evil birthed itself from the collective unconscious desire of mankind for a reason for all the suffering. Assuming this, most humans in Berserk don't even know that there is an Astral plane, let alone such a deity, or a collective unconscious. The Idea of Evil is more akin to a Tulpa (a thought form) than a god itself. Humans did not willingly birthed it into existence, as you mentioned. It was born from their unconscious desire, which is vastly different, and that is a hint Miura gave on how the astral realm seems to work in a sort of way. If you assume this, then just as how humans lost faith in their old gods, as mentioned by Schierke in the village of Enoch, does that mean humans have slain those entities? I think you are misunderstanding how the Astral Realm works.

It is also not mentioned that the IOE created the Behelits. Griffith sees what looks like multiple Behelits coming from the abyss, and the IOE says they are "droplets of ideas spilled from this world to eternity". One could assume that when a man sheds his last tear, with enough suffering, it drops into that dark ocean and seeps back into reality. Again, you are assuming the IOE created the behelits, which is never mentioned.

Griffith considers all old, experienced magic users to be a threat. Why? If he is truly invincible, no magic should be able to harm him.
No one said Griffith is invincible. It is quite obvious that he is mortal, and quite possible that other God Hand members have died or been discarded.

Guts and Casca are still branded, their "safe haven" options are very limited. Skellig Island was never a long-term solution.
The Bakiraka Village is another option but it's also not a long-term solution. You don't really expect Griffith to allow other safe havens to exist in the world, safe havens that could someday become a viable alternative to Falconia, do you?
Falconia is not an option for obvious reasons. Do I even need to explain why?
I have no idea what you are talking about here. It makes it seem like you think I want Griffith to win. I am saying a direct, final battle will amount to nothing. This is not a shounen.
Even if Guts sincerely wanted to forgive Griffith, post-Eclipse Griffith is irredeemable.
Forgiving him would amount to nothing as well. Guts and Casca would still be branded, and humanity would still be doomed.
He is a psychopath and 100% evil. He is a servant of an evil god, a god which exists only to give humans reasons for pain, suffering, sadness, etc.
This is my personal interpretation, but Griffith and Femto are two different entities for me. The Griffith we knew died the moment the hand closed at him. Femto is a different persona devoid of any kind of feeling. But again, that's my assumption. I simply cannot see the Golden Age Griffith as a 100% evil psychopath.
A final, decisive battle with Griffith is inevitable.
Again, your assumption. Griffith could cause his own downfall. Kind of a touchy subject, but what if
Griffith kills himself?
The supernatural power of Guts' sword is an incredibly important plot device that wasn't introduced for no reason. It is not only capable of wounding and eventually killing any astral being, it can even be enchanted with elemental spirits. That's really important.
Where did you get that information from? It can't kill "any astral being", since he clearly couldn't even touch Griffith with it. Femto exists in another dimension, and the Griffith you see in the physical realm is but a projection of him, like a shadow. Guts can't touch him, he can't wound a shadow, that's not his real self. But this, of course, is how I see it. I don't remember it being mentioned it could be enchanted with elemental spirits, but even if so, still think the Godhand is untouchable as it is.
Also, Griffith has a critical weakness -- the Moonlight Boy.
Expect Guts' and Casca's child to play a huge role in the final confrontation with Griffith. I will not be surprised if the Moonlight Boy will somehow be the cause of Griffith's death. It will be a perfect and well deserved ending for Griffith, i.e. the woman he raped gave birth to a supernatural child and this child caused his downfall.
Yes, I agree with that. I am certain the Moonlight child will play a pivotal role in Berserk's ending.
That's not what we see in Berserk.

There is a big difference between child Guts vs 15 y/o Guts vs 19 y/o Guts vs 21 y/o Black Swordsman Guts.
Why would a young adult Isidro, who is now a much better warrior and can properly support Schierke (and other mages) on the battlefield, "not make a difference"?
Because, again, we are talking about interdimensional entities that cannot even be touched, let alone be wounded or killed. Beings that, again, can manipulate matter and possibly space and time. Not even considering the IOE here, as that would entail to it controlling causality. Good luck fighting that.

Skull Knight is a thousand years old at least, is but a casket with a soul inside, wields supernatural weapons, and couldn't even touch Void once he entered the Eclipse.

But again, I could be completely wrong.
 
This is my personal interpretation, but Griffith and Femto are two different entities for me. The Griffith we knew died the moment the hand closed at him. Femto is a different persona devoid of any kind of feeling. But again, that's my assumption. I simply cannot see the Golden Age Griffith as a 100% evil psychopath.
Femto is an evolution of the Griffith persona without feeling, yeah. Two different entities isn't necessarily how I'd put it though, Griffith's ego didn't die and the seeds of Femto were arguably there all along. I doubt he was implying Golden Age Griffith is a psychopath though.
Again, your assumption. Griffith could cause his own downfall. Kind of a touchy subject, but what if
Griffith kills himself?
Why would he do that? Just curious why you think this is on the table, or why it would be touchy.
Where did you get that information from? It can't kill "any astral being", since he clearly couldn't even touch Griffith with it. Femto exists in another dimension, and the Griffith you see in the physical realm is but a projection of him, like a shadow. Guts can't touch him, he can't wound a shadow, that's not his real self. But this, of course, is how I see it. I don't remember it being mentioned it could be enchanted with elemental spirits, but even if so, still think the Godhand is untouchable as it is.
This is not the case as far as we know. Femto is physically present in the material world and even causing cracks in it by virtue of his presence (like the trolls). The Griffith we see is just that astral body squeezed into the vessel of the child/egg. It's not exactly canon but the Dreamcast game essentially confirms this since he's not present for Balzac's sacrifice.

As for the dragonslayer, it's very clearly capable of harming astral beings as explained by Skull Knight, it was just ineffective against Griffith for the same reason that the behelit sword failed against him, he has some mysterious ability to deflect blows.
 
Where did you get that information from? It can't kill "any astral being", since he clearly couldn't even touch Griffith with it. Femto exists in another dimension, and the Griffith you see in the physical realm is but a projection of him, like a shadow. Guts can't touch him, he can't wound a shadow, that's not his real self. But this, of course, is how I see it. I don't remember it being mentioned it could be enchanted with elemental spirits, but even if so, still think the Godhand is untouchable as it is.
I suppose the way Griffith was depicted being untouchable was some kind of Studio Gaga assumption, and not really a canon Griffith ability.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was pretty clearly depicted how the Godhand dodged hits: they opened portals that redirected the hits elsewhere (that's how I remember both the Skull Knight vs Void sequence in the eclipse, and the Skull Knight vs Femto on top of Ganishka).
 
Guys, this thread's becoming a mess. John Doe had some dubious takes but the replies went off the rails. @-Skyes-, you are wrong about a lot of things and you should refresh your memory on the story before saying things like "Griffith is a shadow" or that the God of the Abyss isn't canon. @Scott Rugeles, you are mistaken and Ithier is correct. Femto did not open a portal to deflect SK's attack. He warped space around him. I'm not going to quote every post line by line but I'd appreciate if you guys double checked before posting. Thanks.
 
Well, about the berserk’s end, I remember that Miura said (on the interview included on Memorial Edition BD) Guts will match Griffith many times before the “final battle”.
 
Well, about the berserk’s end, I remember that Miura said (on the interview included on Memorial Edition BD) Guts will match Griffith many times before the “final battle”.

You're thinking of the Artwork of Berserk interview, and that's not what he says. Here is @puella's translation of it:

The story of "Berserk" will start heading towards its conclusion from now on. More and more, we'll see Guts confronting Griffith, we'll see the God Hand, and so on. I've kept you waiting for so long, but please definitely look forward to it. I've also determined the landmarks for future developments. I think there will be some fluctuations within that, but since the story has been decided up to the latter half of the Elf Island chapter, my goal will first be to draw that to completion.
 
A lot can happen in two episodes. I assume we'll stick around at the Kushan capital since things just moved there. I'm guessing we'll get a lot of exposition rather than any action.

They have to resolve this new problem of Guts being somehow stuck in the astral realm.
 
They have to resolve this new problem of Guts being somehow stuck in the astral realm.

I don't think the sequence at the beginning of episode 376 implies he's stuck in the astral world. After it ends, on page 4, we see him conscious and wondering what that just was. It's more of the same: him being depressed/miserable.

Is he? It seems like Schierke was trying to guide him somewhere and then he came to in his cell.

That's my interpretation as well. Seems pretty obvious she's going to show him Casca or something related and that'll get him back in action.
 
I don't think the sequence at the beginning of episode 376 implies he's stuck in the astral world. After it ends, on page 4, we see him conscious and wondering what that just was. It's more of the same: him being depressed/miserable.
It was odd and random. Maybe Mori and team think they can't have him come out of his depression without supernatural assistance. Which would be lame.

Hopefully it will be Schierke pointing him to Casca's new location to inspire him to take action. Which honestly should be obvious, but it would push things forward.
 
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