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I thought he was just putting filler text based upon what he heard, in the "tell not show" way...
Episode 377
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I thought he was just putting filler text based upon what he heard, in the "tell not show" way...
Practically nothing you see in these episodes reflects Miura's intent for the story. That's easy to figure out given that it goes squarely against what he had set up. I've gone over this in detail in my reviews of each episode (here's 375, 376, and 377), which I encourage you to read if you haven't already.
By the way, Mori has made it clear at this point that he doesn't write the text for these episodes, nor does he draw the drafts or anything like that. This is all Kurosaki's work. Mori just oversees it as an editor of sorts.
So yall don't think a summary book is possible? is this really all pure fanfiction? Isn't at least most of the story structure by Miura? i can't fully believe that, yes there has been fanfiction like "northern leader" etc., but I doubt miura didn't at least intend for these characters to meet up, right? There's also the elephant in the room where I feel like most of these ideas fall flat simply because it isn't miura perfectioning them. I read Berserk not for the art, or the gore, or anything like that, but for the dialogue and the story, so obviously you can understand I gave up on "berserk" in 365, but I truly believe the backbone of what were reading right now must somehow contain miura's thoughts. The thing I've noticed is that the writers seem to have the notes, but don't understand the rules and the idea, if that makes sense. No research, but they're working with something... miura's ideas
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Odeon, we've talked about this extensively and repeatedly over many months, and went over it again in this very thread, so to be honest having to re-explain it to you is annoying.
Is a summary booklet at all possible? Yes. Is it very likely to happen? No.
If you asked Mori, I think he would tell you to be satisfied with the Continuation. I would have also liked a summary strictly containing Miura's words – I've said so many times – but they went in another direction. At this point I think only intense and sustained fan pressure could lead them to release something of the sort.
Depends on what you mean by "story structure". If it's things like:
Read the posts I linked to if you wish to be enlightened.
There are no notes. They're going off their memories of things Miura told them about, which they then try to make sense of. Read Mori's interviews if you need to hear it directly from him.
Is a summary booklet at all possible? Yes. Is it very likely to happen? No.
If you asked Mori, I think he would tell you to be satisfied with the Continuation. I would have also liked a summary strictly containing Miura's words – I've said so many times – but they went in another direction. At this point I think only intense and sustained fan pressure could lead them to release something of the sort.
Depends on what you mean by "story structure". If it's things like:
- Guts' group leaves the island
- Guts' group meets Silat's group
- Rakshas attacks Silat's base of operations
Read the posts I linked to if you wish to be enlightened.
There are no notes. They're going off their memories of things Miura told them about, which they then try to make sense of. Read Mori's interviews if you need to hear it directly from him.
A summary book would undercut all the work Mori and Studio Gaga are doing. They have no incentive to put out something that showcases the parts that they made up and might not have been as good as Miura's original plans. It would also substitute their continuation.
And as Aaz said, it sounds like Miura didn't have any type of Berserk bible outline. He had broad strokes ideas of where he wanted it to go, but he let the story and characters take him where they organically flowed. Which is why the consistency and character development was so good when he was working things, and I suspect this is why we often had long delays between episodes. He was working on getting it right and referring to the foundations he already laid.
I can't help but wonder if Miura intended the story to be incomplete and likely didn't expect them to keep going after his death, after finding out what his medical condition was. I mean, knowing he wasn't going to live much longer, he either would've planned for his life's work to be finished somehow, thereby leaving them with some type of manuscript or outline to the end, or just put in the work for his final episode and left it there. Hard to imagine he'd be okay with this butchery
To be honest, most people are slowly realizing that there are inconsistencies in the Berserk episodes after Miura, but they are so attached to the story they have been reading for years that they think Miura left something behind as a note or something because deep down they are not happy with the direction the story is going. They still trust Mori and the team.
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You're misinformed. Miura was in good health before suffering from a completely unexpected medical affliction (an acute aortic dissection). It was very sudden. According to his friends and colleagues, he was the kind of guy who never got sick and was always healthy. He had also been taking care of his health by exercising and eating well.
So he didn't intend for someone else to finish the story, but that's because he fully expected to finish it himself. That's why there are no notes, because he didn't need them. It was all in his head.
this is my hope. not sure its likely to happen but a boy can dream
I'm sorry Aaz, I don't post with the intention to be annoying, I hope you know that. I didn't know that the impossibility of a summary book was discussed in this thread, nor did I see it in any of the other threads, but I won't pretend like I memorize everything ever posted here, or studiously read every thread, so I must've missed it. I haven't been paying attention to most of the details of these new releases because I already know they got every detail completely wrong and didn't know what to do with certain characters. At this point I'm more surprised if they got some things right and try to focus on that, otherwise it's just depressing. More depressing than the actual story has been at certain times. I'm just glossing through it to see where the main part is going at this point.
Just explaining things like you're doing right now can be quite interesting to people like me, believe it or not, and it is not wasted time. I appreciate it.
Up until now, I just held onto that hope that a summary book could maybe be fanmade at the end of all of this, something I believe was discussed around the time the continuation started and it became apparent that mistakes were made. I'm sure I'm not the only one still holding out hope for that... but yeah.
I appreciate you writing this all down and linking me the posts. sending you good vibes
Yeah, you're right
I still have that 1% of hope too to be honest
I was talking about the rest of your post, where you ask about story structure and what parts of the episodes are made up and so on. We've been discussing it extensively.
Well just wait a second now. You were talking about Mori revealing the exact stuff he knew from Miura, that's not at all the same as fans making their own alternative to the Continuation.
Just ordered my copy from Amazon JP and I'll jump into this thread in a few weeks to unpack everything - from the low to the very lows.
(I'm writing this prior to reading 378.)
Overall, as a standalone "story chapter" it do feel better and more coherent compare to the early chapters of the continuation, but as a "Berserk episode" it is as lacking as always.
The main thing that boggles me most is how on earth Silat and Daiba who were familiar with Ganishka's attack on Midland even hope to win against the falcon of light and his army.
Ganishka, even in his normal apostle form was STRONGER THAN ZODD, and he was accompanied by an enormous army of magic beasts and magic users - and still lost to Griffith's army with no real chance of winning.
Rakshas' appearance was pretty cool, I guess. Shame it doesn't really fit his character.
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Just some stupid wishful thinking, but since Mori is active on X (twitter), I really wish someone will direct him to this forum so the team will use this knowledgehub as reference and consult with people like Aaz & the rest of you.
Hey, Oda do the same with One piece.
Overall, as a standalone "story chapter" it do feel better and more coherent compare to the early chapters of the continuation, but as a "Berserk episode" it is as lacking as always.
The main thing that boggles me most is how on earth Silat and Daiba who were familiar with Ganishka's attack on Midland even hope to win against the falcon of light and his army.
Ganishka, even in his normal apostle form was STRONGER THAN ZODD, and he was accompanied by an enormous army of magic beasts and magic users - and still lost to Griffith's army with no real chance of winning.
Rakshas' appearance was pretty cool, I guess. Shame it doesn't really fit his character.
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Just some stupid wishful thinking, but since Mori is active on X (twitter), I really wish someone will direct him to this forum so the team will use this knowledgehub as reference and consult with people like Aaz & the rest of you.
Hey, Oda do the same with One piece.
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I like your idea. But I question even how legit that claim about Oda is.
As for Mori I think it’s obvious that he shouldn’t have to refer to us to just nail some basic stuff. I imagine he’s completely unaware of this forum or most talking spaces for Berserk. If he needs skullknight.net than this forum should writing the continuation and studio Gaga doing the art
