Episode 378

It's much harder to come up with a good solution why the Bakiraka/Kushans were able to "just defend" themselves as it's been presented so far. Only having to act against fantastic beasts a few episodes in gets rid of that problem for them.

The problem is that they addressed the Great Wave of the Astral World in the last episode. It was pathetically vague and evasive, sure, but they still did address it. And if the point of this whole affair is for Silat to end up with a big army, then this presumably won't result in a complete upheaval akin to what happened with Fantasia. Granted, it might go in another direction, but if so I don't know what the point would be.
 
Well they're certainly not respecting what he had established for the story and characters
Well, that's as maybe, but I put that down to incompetence rather than them choosing not to honour Miura's legacy.
Kurosaki was happy to retweet Mori's interview saying he might just be a better artist than him. I don't know about you but that's not my definition of being respectful.
Meh. The interview was just a puff piece to promote the continuation, which is why Mori may have spoken in overly flattering terms. I don't see a problem with Kurosaki re-tweeting the interview, when he's the project lead. It's not as if it's exclusively about him. Also, didn't Mori state in that same interview that Miura was considered the greatest artist in Japan and the world? It doesn't get more superlative than that.
 
Well, that's as maybe, but I put that down to incompetence rather than them choosing not to honour Miura's legacy
A thing is to be incompetent, another one is to state that you are continuing Miura story in order to honor his memory, promising to only write about what he told you and instead create a complete fan fiction going against everything that Miura had established until that point.... if this isn't disrespect I don't know what it is.
 
Well, that's as maybe, but I put that down to incompetence rather than them choosing not to honour Miura's legacy.

A few episodes ago, I might have agreed with you. Now I'm really not so sure. You can always just chalk it up to exceptional levels of incompetence, but it's starting to feel a little naive to me. They're not children, no one forced them to do it, and so I don't think we should ascribe them some sort of immaculate purity of heart. Let's not absolve them from responsibility. At the end of the day, it is a disrespectful treatment of the work, and to me it's all that matters.

The interview was just a puff piece to promote the continuation, which is why Mori may have spoken in overly flattering terms. I don't see a problem with Kurosaki re-tweeting the interview, when he's the project lead. It's not as if it's exclusively about him. Also, didn't Mori state in that same interview that Miura was considered the greatest artist in Japan and the world? It doesn't get more superlative than that.

It's definitely a puff piece, but no one's coercing him into saying those things. And it's not the first time he does it either. Just like no one coerced Kurosaki to say Mori and Miura were basically coauthors for Berserk. Now it's true Mori also gave Miura some big praise this time – as a way to prop up Kurosaki's efforts – but on average his comments since the Continuation started haven't been very deferential. You can dismiss that as mindless blabber or marketing bluster, and maybe that's all it is, but personally I can't ignore it.

Anyway, I don't mean to argue about this. We can't know what they really think. But regardless of their motivations, the result is a stain on Miura's legacy.
 
I see one chance for redemption:

Guts realizes Casca is his real sword, which he completely forgot about for the final time. He is so dumbfounded by his realization that immediately pulls himself together, busts out of the prison, re-takes Roderick's ship in the chaos, and the group straight leaves all this behind them to reach Falconia and save Casca.
 
I see one chance for redemption:

Guts realizes Casca is his real sword, which he completely forgot about for the final time. He is so dumbfounded by his realization that immediately pulls himself together, busts out of the prison, re-takes Roderick's ship in the chaos, and the group straight leaves all this behind them to reach Falconia and save Casca.
I mean if it were that rushed it might be even more bizarre to witness at this point. Given the track record the continuation has set so far. It would really make me question who is actually planning out the rest of the story. Unless someone on the team decides to stop making stuff up from point A to point B and rush to the end. Where maybe we can get some clarity on what Miura had in mind for a last confrontation at one point in his mind. But I don’t see that happening.
 
There are many discrepancies, unfaithful depictions and so on which having been mentioned in the thread. But I'm hung up on a very basic, fundamental issue with Rakshas, whose name means "Night Demon" in kanji as is even indicated in this episode.

By nature, he is an assassin who prefers to work in the dark! Think about episode 338 (The Twilight Assassin) where he showed up to kill Rickert. It was at dusk and he appeared in such a way that Rickert couldn't quite see him. That's how he likes to operate.

I feel like what happens in this episode really doesn't do justice to the character. It just looks so awkward. There are many reasons to complain of course, but for me, it's just this simple fact that dominates because it feels intuitively wrong. Rakshas wouldn't appear or behave like that.
 
There are many discrepancies, unfaithful depictions and so on which having been mentioned in the thread. But I'm hung up on a very basic, fundamental issue with Rakshas, whose name means "Night Demon" in kanji as is even indicated in this episode.

By nature, he is an assassin who prefers to work in the dark! Think about episode 338 (The Twilight Assassin) where he showed up to kill Rickert. It was at dusk and he appeared in such a way that Rickert couldn't quite see him. That's how he likes to operate.

I feel like what happens in this episode really doesn't do justice to the character. It just looks so awkward. There are many reasons to complain of course, but for me, it's just this simple fact that dominates because it feels intuitively wrong. Rakshas wouldn't appear or behave like that.
Not trying to defend the continuation by any means (I hate it), but Rakshas is portrayed as being confused in that situation I think?

I mean sure, the explanation for him being there might be total bullshit, but as I understand it, Rakshas didn't mean to show up in the middle of the room.
 
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As a speculation, I think they may be parallelizing the development of multiple episodes, and this could lead to narrative discrepancies.

Imho the two problems that evidence this are Guts state in 377 vs 378, aswell as Rakshas initial state in 377 vs 378 just after he comes out of the northern guy. Two continuity issues than could be explained with poorly executed parallelization of production.
 
Not trying to defend the continuation by any means (I hate it), but Rakshas is portrayed as being confused in that situation I think?

I mean sure, the explanation for him being there might be total bullshit, but as I understand it, Rakshas didn't mean to show up in the middle of the room.

That's exactly the problem. Rakshas is not being used correctly by the author(s). He's inexplicably placed in a situation that doesn't fit his character and behaves in ways that aren't appropriate for him. And the justification is that he doesn't even know what's going on, and in fact, has already died. This is just such a big mistreatment of the character and a trampling of everything Miura had established for him. It shows a total lack of reverence for the original material.

As a speculation, I think they may be parallelizing the development of multiple episodes, and this could lead to narrative discrepancies.

That goes against what we know of their process. According to Mori, Kurosaki is the one doing the heavy lifting, which would include the drafts. Your idea would require having two teams working on drafts separately and not sharing information, which isn't the case.
 
What’s happening to Guts right now is just straight up character assassination.
This is very similar to what happened to Star Wars, as Luke appeared at the end of the first sequel movie, and then they destroyed his character and legacy

Guts now appeared again at the end of an episode and will probably not speak much till the end, the dark days arrived for us, Fantasia just came to the real world
 
Fantasia just came to the real world
I have this thought for some time.

What's probably the worst moment for Guts entire life, when he could recover his faith of a good end and even touch this hope, he again lost everything even his loved sword.

How could we relate more with Guts than seeing that horrible storytelling they dare to call Berserk?

Sometimes I also fell I need 10 episodes of my life just laying down the ground without talking or reacting to anyone :ganishka:
 
This is very similar to what happened to Star Wars, as Luke appeared at the end of the first sequel movie, and then they destroyed his character and legacy
Interesting comparison! I agree in that both characters become a strange shadow of themself: particularly in how Luke straight up lost interest in his previous pursuits and chose to simply live as a hermit waiting around until his eventual death. He, Leia and Han never even shared the screen together. It was so underwhelming when used as the conclusion to all their adventures: Luke apparates, slumps over on a rock in another galaxy, and that is it.
 
At this point would be better if they just stop publishing it and call it a day
I just want this continuation to end as soon as possible.
I mean, not reading the new episodes would probably work for you two aswell. Nobody is forcing you to read them. I personally do see where most of you are comming from and I agree that they messed up a lot but I am still interested in reading the episodes and wanna see where its going to end. We do know that Mori should have a general idea on how Berserk should end so I am still interested in seeing that.

I never expected them to get every lore detail right or even getting close to Miuras perfection in any way. I think its better to read these new episodes without trying to dissect them like it used to be the case with Miuras episodes. You will always find something wrong otherwise. Mori, even though he was Miuras best friend, never actually "studied" Berserk knowing every little detail about it. I wish he had done it but he obviously didnt.

So something like Rakshas prefering to only appear in the dark are things he probably never gave much thought (if at all). I love Berserk and it will always be my favourite Manga of all time but overall I am a more casual reader so maybe thats why I am able to somewhat enjoy the new episodes? That said, I do hope that Guts starts acting like Guts asap again though...
 
I love Berserk and it will always be my favourite Manga of all time but overall I am a more casual reader so maybe thats why I am able to somewhat enjoy the new episodes?
That's contradicting, but yes: if you're a more casual reader than you won't really be bothered by all of this. I'm not sure though that one can speak from "love" then.

This continuation has fallen to the same levels of Rings of Power for example and although I really liked LotR and Tolkiens work in general, I hardly care about how they massacre it. I'm not that invested in it and I don't love it. The circumstances are also different which makes a big difference. It's still shit but at least they didn't shit on my plate you know? Well, here they did so I (and presumably Kaine and Goat as well) can't ignore it, sorry.

(And I can't imagine how badly they shit on Aaz's or Walter's plate...)

Oh and:
I mean, not reading the new episodes would probably work for you two aswell.
Seems simple, but it really isn't if you love something. But I agree: the continuation team is paving a really big road towards that - gotta give them that!
 
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I mean, not reading the new episodes would probably work for you two aswell. Nobody is forcing you to read them.
What is your point?
If I stop to read "Berserk" magically the continuation team will stop to disrespect Miura?
Also I'm not telling you what to do, you are free to read the continuation and say that you like it, and I m free to read it and say that I don't.
But I make you notice that this is a Kentarou Miura's Berserk fan forum not a "find excuse for the continuation team" forum.
 
This continuation has fallen to the same levels of Rings of Power for example and although I really liked LotR and Tolkiens work in general, I hardly care about how they massacre it.
Well, this would have gone much more smoothly for me if they’d started off by calling it “Amazon Prime Video Presents Brands of Power: Chapter 1” instead of “Berserk Episode 365.”

I never expected them to get every lore detail right or even getting close to Miuras perfection in any way. I think its better to read these new episodes without trying to dissect them like it used to be the case with Miuras episodes. You will always find something wrong otherwise. Mori, even though he was Miuras best friend, never actually "studied" Berserk knowing every little detail about it. I wish he had done it but he obviously didnt.
I think the story should be coherent, and that things that happen on the page should make sense and have a grounded explanation. That's a pretty low bar I'm setting, but they've fumbled it in every episode.

Why are the trolls here? Why are people surprised at seeing trolls (what happened to Fantasia)? How is Rakshas here if he "died" ? How did Rakshas get inside that guy anyway? And that's just a few puzzlers from this particular episode. You could go read my thread about each of the biggest ones in the Continuation so far. To list a few—What was the nature of the things that tore the island apart? Why did only SOME of the elves disappear? Why did only SOME of the magic users lose their power, but Schierke and Farnese didn't, despite being "accepted by the island" ?

It's disingenuous to call these problems "details." There are fundamentally broken decisions being made in every episode. If you're able to coast alongside these, then I think your critical thinking skills are being ransomed because you're convinced that Mori has something really compelling to offer us for Berserk's ending. That sounds like a beautiful dream, and I understand your desire to believe in it. But you should also believe me that they're breaking their promises on the way to that ending. And if they can't get these fundamental pieces correct on the long road to the conclusion, there's a zero percent chance of the stage they're setting up for the finale being satisfying.
 
Well, this would have gone much more smoothly for me if they’d started off by calling it “Amazon Prime Presents Brands of Power: Chapter 1” instead of “Berserk Episode 365.”

Yeah, that's what I meant when I emphasized that the circumstances are different, which makes a big difference.
 
I mean, not reading the new episodes would probably work for you two aswell. Nobody is forcing you to read them. I personally do see where most of you are comming from and I agree that they messed up a lot but I am still interested in reading the episodes and wanna see where its going to end. We do know that Mori should have a general idea on how Berserk should end so I am still interested in seeing that.

I never expected them to get every lore detail right or even getting close to Miuras perfection in any way. I think its better to read these new episodes without trying to dissect them like it used to be the case with Miuras episodes. You will always find something wrong otherwise. Mori, even though he was Miuras best friend, never actually "studied" Berserk knowing every little detail about it. I wish he had done it but he obviously didnt.

So something like Rakshas prefering to only appear in the dark are things he probably never gave much thought (if at all). I love Berserk and it will always be my favourite Manga of all time but overall I am a more casual reader so maybe thats why I am able to somewhat enjoy the new episodes? That said, I do hope that Guts starts acting like Guts asap again though...
Problem is they are just delivering an incoherent story with familiar faces at this point.

They are not just breaking Miura's lore, they even contradict their own stuff at points.
 
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