Episode 385
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I’d say this is probably last time we ever saw Guts falling on his face, so that’s something. Now that he unlocked bankai he won’t be sad anymoreOn the other hand, I can't say anything positive from this one.
I really doubt that. It's probably just one of the two things I said.
No. It would have been stupid either way. Guts was never meant to be a "mystical savior" figure. That's just not his character. Furthermore, the whole sequence of events is terrible every step on the way from its inception (his sudden, inexplicable depression) to its resolution. No amount of tweaking could have redeemed it at this point.
That's a pretty simplistic view of the characters. They are opposite in some ways, as the human Black Swordsman who struggles while covered in blood versus the supernatural Falcon of Light who succeeds effortlessly. But they aren't simply perfect opposites of one another, there's a lot more to them than that. And they haven't always been depicted as such either. This comparison only becomes valid during the Millennium Falcon arc.
Griffith ascended from his human status to that of a member of the God Hand. You can make a lot of relevant parallels (like to a false messiah), but not to the notion of an angel that was expelled from heaven after he rebelled against God.
The term "struggler" isn't meant in regard to "fate". That's not what it's about.
It is clear that "Devilman" by Go Nagai is one of the many mangas from which Miura took inspiration for Bereserk. Therefore I don't think he would have gone in the same route as Nagai did with his manga.
Miura had such good taste. Basically everything he cited as an inspiration can be taken as a straight up read/watch recommendation.
But yeah I don't think he would've made the biblical parallels more overt, I think it would've just boiled down to Griffith being seen as the saviour while Guts would seem like the bad guy coming to ruin everything, an ironic twist on the "prophesied hero comes to save the kingdom from the evil king" story.
To be clear, the inspiration Miura took from Devilman isn't the biblical stuff (which let's be honest is half-assed), it's the raw, no-holds-barred violence and the half-human monsters. The violence displayed especially is what shocked people at the time it was published. It was revolutionary.
Exactly.
I think he partially took even some aspects of the main character and antagonist of the series, but that wasn't my point. What I was trying to say is that Miura wouldn't never have made a carbon copy of Devilman.
I agree.
It would have been below him, yes. Besides a carbon copy of the Devilman ending (Satan realizes... or admits his own humanity too late) it's already impossible given what happened to Griffith. I would say I'm worried the continuation might go this way, but that would require them to a write about characters instead of plot & even whole sentences about feelings.
It's possible, but he's never talked about it when he mentioned Devilman, and he's never mentioned Devilman when he talked about creating those two characters. Regardless, what's sure is that, as I said, he was not inspired by the biblical stuff when he created Berserk.
Sure, I agree. But Miura's inspirations came into play when he first created the story in the 1980s anyway. It's not like things were still up in the air on whether he'd just follow some other story... As far as I'm concerned the Continuation's bullshit in this episode is irrelevant to what Miura had planned for the characters.
I mean... The stories are pretty much unrelated. In the original Devilman, the final twist is that after the humans' betrayal (killing Miki specifically), the devilmen and demons fight themselves to death (with the demons winning), and then the angels arrive to destroy the planet. It's the definition of an ending where everyone loses. And Ryô doesn't realize he's human, it's just that he fell in love with Akira (because he's half-male half-female) and that's why he wanted him to survive the humans' destruction. What he does realize is that in wanting to annihilate mankind, he was only reproducing what God and the angels had done to demons, which he had opposed at the time. Also, this is all just retroactively explained in the last 30 pages.
Yeah... That's exactly what I meant by realizing his humanity aka his capability to truly love. Though I think I might be misremembering the ending. It's been quite a while and I skipped Crybaby.
But yeah, Devilman and Berserk don't have a whole lot of similarities when it comes down to it.
This is undeniable. This last episode was something else... the people involved with the continuation were able to top the level of disrespect towards Miura they had already archived.
Honestly, I think that Casca for them is one of the least important characters. Barely any thought has been spared for her. This whole situation of Schierke flying to Falconia to see where she is is the laziest way they've come up with to freeze two characters at the same time, while also finding a reason for themselves to show Casca's side of the story again. I don't think they would've shown her again otherwise.
Casca is even more complicated than Guts because "technically" she has been herself in very little material, they can't even get Guts right with 300+ episodes to pull from. I wouldn't expect much. Besides, isn't she taking a magical nap? Dunno if she will be awake for any of it.The next chapter will probably take place in Falconia.
So I'm wondering if they're going to at least try to stay somewhat true to Casca's character, or if they're going to mess it up just as badly as they did with Guts.
In the latest exciting development from Berserk 385: Guts opens a door to the amazement of all. And... he got a tattoo offscreen from a long dead character! Tune in next episode to see him eat lunch.
If you mean the seal on the brand, that's been there for a while. Flora didn't do anything to it here. The last time we saw it up close was when Rakshas first appeared (377)
Whatever Puck sees when he says Guts is "connected", it's not clear in this ep.
My bad. It's been a while since I did a full reread. I was reading the emphasis they made on it as something to do with Flora's appearance last episode. So instead even less happens in this episode. He opens a door. Never has so little happened in so many panels.
I wish. I said before: this is their chance to give Casca back her agency, make her shine. However, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think a single panel was dedicated to Guts lamenting over Casca's kidnapping. I really don't think the team sees Casca as a relevant piece of this narrative anymore. Perhaps they value her as a plot device to instigate the invasion of Falconia, at the most.So I'm wondering if they're going to at least try to stay somewhat true to Casca's character, or if they're going to mess it up just as badly as they did with Guts.
There really isn't much to say & I think it would be an absurd over-simplification if we amounted this part of the story to where "Angry one-eyed man lost his mojo, but he got it back" because I'm glad to see Guts back, but I honestly feel like that one handed amount of strength to knock a door down really feels a tad silly.
Not to mention I feel as though, looking back on the previous chapter something feels missing. A quick flashback & a regain of strength feels too quick to get over what Guts has overcome, so yay I guess & I am happy to see Guts back & ready to take on whatever's coming but this part of the story really feels under baked.
Not to mention I feel as though, looking back on the previous chapter something feels missing. A quick flashback & a regain of strength feels too quick to get over what Guts has overcome, so yay I guess & I am happy to see Guts back & ready to take on whatever's coming but this part of the story really feels under baked.