ahahahAazealh said:Hello Abbrà84,
That's the stupidest thing I've ever read.
We'll have to agree to disagree then because I think you're completely wrong and I don't even understand how you could think that.Abbrà84 said:i don't find it stupid at all, prome is almost grifis and delos is a variation of Guts, is the same pattern of characters.
ok,Aazealh said:We'll have to agree to disagree then because I think you're completely wrong and I don't even understand how you could think that.
Also the name is spelled "Griffith".
Sure thing, it's just so you know. I just assume anyone would want to know the proper spelling.Abbrà84 said:ok also for "Griffith", no problem, i don't speak japanese, and i'm not a filology and i've only repeat the version of the name that is in the version of the manga in my country.
Haha, well, we'll see about that. Without going into absolutes, it's pretty clear to me that Griffith is evil and that Guts' anger towards him is well-placed. So I don't believe the 2 scenarios you've laid out will come to pass.Abbrà84 said:what is important, at least for me, is that "I" don't think that griffith is the absolute evil and Guts is the absolute good.
So, in the end of berserk, for me, it will become increasingly clear the mutual understanding between the two characters.
I imagine if he died in a straight fight, he'd likely be at peace for having found a worthy opponent. Maybe a few words of congratulation to the one(s) who bested him.DANGERDOOOOM said:just imagining what Zodd's dying words would be, peak my interest
I have no doubt that Guts will kill Zodd eventually.DANGERDOOOOM said:Also I would want at least Zodd the Immortal to die some point in the series. But on that whole topic of him being "immortal," I feel sorry for the poor bastard who would try to bring him down Don't really know what that would bring to the table story wise, but just imagining what Zodd's dying words would be, peak my interest. Also to see his true body when he dies would be cool, like Wyald.
I feel that the most courageous death would be for him to face off against a member of the God Hand. It would cement his status as a one-of-a-kind apostle who remained "his own man" in the end, plus they are actually overwhelmingly powerful opponents, which is what he sought before the Falcon of Light whooped his ass. Nothing in the manga shows Zodd caring much for honor –that's Grunbeld's thing– and it's kind of a ridiculous notion for an apostle (which is why Guts called Grunbeld out on it).Squiddot said:When it comes to Zodd's death would it be best to have him die in an honourable battle like he presumably wants? Or something less befitting of a warrior to spite him and deny his dream?
The Count not sacrificing his daughter seemed like a honourable act to me, Femto even tried threatning him with putting him in the Berserk equivelant of hell and he still refused. So I think Apostles are capable of honor.residentgrigo said:I don´t think that Apostles are truly capable of honor by their vary nature.
Well, his fight against Guts in Tudor's Stronghold could be seen as one on one honourable type of a duel, especially considering how enraged he got when band of the hawk interrupted the match and butted in. I do think he has some sort notion of honour even if its not as strong to shape him as a character in comparison to Grunbeld.Nothing in the manga shows Zodd caring much for honor
Yes, it's far-fetched. No way that's ever happening. Zodd knelt because his natural master had displayed absolute power over him. That's not going to happen with anyone else. The most I could see him do, as a sign of respect to Guts in a hypothetical scenario, would be to nod his head.Feeblecursedone said:Would it be too far-fetched to think that if Guts defeats Zodd one day, Zodd might bend his knee to Guts in sign of respect/loyalty like he did with Femto?
I think that's far-fetched as well. He wanted to fully enjoy his duel with Guts, that's all. But he'd have killed him in the end, using his supernatural strength. Where's the honor in that? Zodd has a single-minded focus on testing his might, but that doesn't make him virtuous. If you want a beacon of honor in Berserk, Azan is where you should look. A man who wouldn't strike a fallen enemy, and whose main preoccupation is the safety of innocent people.Feeblecursedone said:Well, his fight against Guts in Tudor's Stronghold could be seen as one on one honourable type of a duel, especially considering how enraged he got when band of the hawk interrupted the match and butted in.
He certainly does. He's not as devoid of morality and governed by his base instincts as the average apostle is. He has shown restraint and leniency in the past when it suited his interests, and even showed his distaste for the "festival" that occurred during the Eclipse by not partaking in it. But still, he's a monster content with butchering hapless men using power that puts him hopelessly above them. In the end, apostles are apostles, and there's a hard limit to the nobility they can display. Speaking of Grunbeld, if anything I think Zodd is much more honest than he is in that regard. He's not pretending to be what he isn't. One of my favorite moments in Berserk is when Guts calls out Grunbeld on being a monster who pretends to be a knight. It's spot-on.Feeblecursedone said:I do think he has some sort notion of honour even if its not as strong to shape him as a character in comparison to Grunbeld.
The Count didn't "refuse" so much as "hesitate" to sacrifice Theresia, until he bled out and died. Miura chose to make it more ambiguous than an outright refusal to sacrifice his own daughter, which I think is pretty important given the kind of monster the Count had become.Pink-Dark-Boy said:The Count not sacrificing his daughter seemed like a honourable act to me, Femto even tried threatning him with putting him in the Berserk equivelant of hell and he still refused. So I think Apostles are capable of honor.