Did they fix the ending in the Ultimate Cut back to the original comic ending? I think that was probably the worst thing about the movie.Johnstantine said:Do yourself a favor and watch the Ultimate cut. It's basically an entirely different movie.
DasBouf said:I refuse to see anything Snyder does after he butchered Watchmen. That movie was painful to watch from beginning to end.
DasBouf said:Did they fix the ending in the Ultimate Cut back to the original comic ending? I think that was probably the worst thing about the movie.
This is probably the reason. I've been a fanboy of the comic for a long time, so when I saw the movie I was more disappointed. Perhaps this is why I didn't the GA arc movies as much as everyone else. I'd only been reading Berserk for about 6 months when I saw them and all I'd heard was that they were terrible, so I came out liking them. I suppose it's subjective, but I felt Snyder only took the surface level adaptation of the story, without capturing the meat of what made it special.Delta Phi said:I thought it was a really well done adaptation. I only read Watchmen once (a week before the movie came out
DasBouf said:I suppose it's subjective, but I felt Snyder only took the surface level adaptation of the story, without capturing the meat of what made it special.
DasBouf said:Perhaps this is why I didn't the GA arc movies as much as everyone else. I'd only been reading Berserk for about 6 months when I saw them and all I'd heard was that they were terrible, so I came out liking them.
Aazealh said:No, you're right. The adaptation was tone-deaf and missed out on why Watchmen is a great story.
Aazealh said:Those movies are so objectively bad, though. It can be proven using film theory, or really using whatever metric you want.
I'm not Joe Anime right? I don't want to be Joe AnimeGriffith said:to Joe Anime it's just another movie.
I know, and Agree, objectively I'd say it's a 2/5 as an adaptation a 1. For my personal enjoyment I'd say it's a 3. It may look like I white Knight these movies (to be fair I do sometimes) but I really don't think they're great. I showed them to a couple friends and that got them really into Berserk, so I think they're useful in that sense. I just enjoy them as mindless entertainment.Aazealh said:Those movies are so objectively bad, though. It can be proven using film theory, or really using whatever metric you want.
Aazealh said:And I wasn't a fan of the new Godzilla, nor of Pacific Rim (the two movies I saw from your list).
Skeleton said:I thought Pacific Rim was a decent, entertaining film. To be honest though, outside of watching Gundam Wing as a kid and reading Gigantomakhia, I have no experience with the giant robot genre so some of my enjoyment of the film probably came from experiencing something new.
Del Toro's films are hit-or-"miss" with me. Some are incredible films that I absolutely love such as Pan's Labyrinth and The Devil's Backbone. Others are perfectly decent/good films but there's something del Toro does, something I can't put my finger on, that keeps me from sincerely enjoying them (Hellboy, for example). For me, Pacific Rim isn't quite in that latter category, but it's closer to it than not.
Edit to add: This is a bit anal/nitpicking, but the thing that bothered me about Pacific Rim was that the pilots spent all their time and energy punching/wrestling/throwing the monsters, or using up the limited amount of ammo they have for their big guns, rather than using the sword they apparently had the whole time. The swords the two mechs had were not only insanely more effective at killing but also looked way cooler and were more entertaining to watch used in a fight.
When they used that ship as a makeshift weapon I was thrilled because, despite it being totally unrealistic, the entire movie I was thinking "why aren't they using giant swords/weapons?" It turns out the answer was because they arbitrarily decided not to use them until nearly the end of the film.
Aazealh said:I'm not being a pedant about the giant robot genre here, my beef with it is rather everything other than the giant robots. I thought the plot and dialogue was really pathetically lame at times, and a lot of the actors/characters were outright terrible. I was expecting to love this as mindless entertainment, but its flaws were annoying enough that I just disliked it. Speaking of Del Toro himself, I personally had no beef with his tale on Hellboy; I thought it was pretty decent given how difficult that world is to adapt. But here he just showered the viewer with wacky-weirdo guys (like the two scientists) for no reason whatsoever and it brought nothing to the table. I would have preferred more robot fight scenes and a rivalry between pilots that wasn't on the kindergarten level. Same with the female pilot who's being unfairly kept off duty... I mean come on how hamfisted can you get?
Oburi said:I think most of Del Toro's movies are overrated. I really didn't care for Pacific Rim at all either. But I will say, the Hellboy movies are pretty great, especially the second one. I could watch Hellboy 2 The Golden Army any day. That movie is so damn enjoyable it's hard to knock it for any faults it may have. The costumes, practical effects, the sets, the music (both the score and the soundtrack are brilliant) the characters, the choreography, the comedic scenes, the attention to detail for the many smaller moments etc. I could go on and on about how great Hellboy 2 is haha
My one big complaint is the very end (spoilers I guess, in case someone hasn't seen it yet and plans too).I didn't like how they finished off the main villain in the final fight. I always felt that, being the better warrior, Prince Nuada should have beaten Hellboy in the final duel but then before he can claim totally victory his sister would inflict a mortal wound on herself, thereby killing him as well. That's kinda what happens except they couldn't bare to have the hero Hellboy lose the fight . So instead we have Hellboy win the fight in a very anticlimatic way and then refuses to kill the Prince, who then sneaks up behind Hellboy to stab him in the back after being defeated, which seemed out of character and really weakened his character right at the end. Oh well. That would have made the move perfect in my eyes but it's still great.
Skeleton said:I apologize if it sounded like I was calling you pedantic. That wasn't my intent. I just meant that the genre is still shiny and new for me so my "holy shit! Robots versus monsters!" mentality covered up a lot of the flaws.
Skeleton said:With that said I completely agree with you, my friend. A lot of the time I found myself wishing the movie would hurry up and get back to the robots/monsters. Or wondering why people made the decisions they made. (A monster goes through Trump's border wall like it's not even there and the politicians decide to stick with the project? What the fuck? Even the dumbest, most prideful person on earth would be overcome by his survival instinct and look for other options, especially if there's no room to interpret any aspect of the wall as a success such as in that case.)
IncantatioN said:Justice League ... so DC thought they should goa full 180 on the humorless BvS and make ... this? Their answer to Deadpool - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIHH5-HVS9o
IncantatioN said:xXx 2 ... looks just as bad as The Last Witch Hunter ...Deepika's cute but I can't waste money on this just for her - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaOE9emaz-8
Aazealh said:Yeah I just meant that I'm disappointed they chose to do away with them. Who cares about Cyborg?
Johnstantine said:It's pretty even right now. 9 positive, 8 mixed, 7 negative.
Johnstantine said:I haven't been super looking forward to it, but I'll still see it. Maybe.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/suicide-squads-secret-drama-rushed-916693 said:A key concern for Warners executives was that Suicide Squad didn't deliver on the fun, edgy tone promised in the strong teaser trailer for the film. So while Ayer pursued his original vision, Warners set about working on a different cut, with an assist from Trailer Park, the company that had made the teaser.
Griffith said:That's a generous reading: 9 positive out of 24 reviews isn't "even," even sucks anyway, and currently it's sitting at 35% on RT (45 on metacritic though).
Griffith said:These guys are never going to produce a good movie again, let alone a successful multilayered franchise. That's truly mindblowing to me, like a perfect textbook example of the tail wagging the dog and movie executive creative malfeasance.
Griffith said:That's the only review I need to read.
Griffith said:Quote from: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/suicide-squads-secret-drama-rushed-916693
These guys are never going to produce a good movie again, let alone a successful multilayered franchise. That's truly mindblowing to me, like a perfect textbook example of the tail wagging the dog and movie executive creative malfeasance.