Maybe you're just too serious?Chiba said:In my opinion Puck is a little too funny lately, it feels like it can't be serious for even one page anymore. But apart from that I like it too.
It'd be hard not to notice it since Isidro and Ivalera actually question him on the matter when they learn about the Hanabufuku Ô from Schierke (in episode 238). And his answer is pretty enigmatic too... What a mysterious character.omega-anime said:Notice how puck never mentioned a word about him?
Stop spoiling, I haven't read past volume 29 yet. ;)Walter said:Maybe you're just too serious?
Puck's wit has been increasing in the past few volumes. He's not just comic relief anymore, but provides a commentary on events (how can you not appreciate his Kundalini gag in 274?), especially when he relates it to things in our (or at least japanese) culture.
...Look what you made me do. Now I'm talking all serious about Berserk's best comedian.
Messed up with quoting - should start from "While I agree..." sorry.puella said:Many people overlook the greatest things Puck did.
He saved Guts even twice! Who else saved him in the manga? SK?
Other than that, Puck has always been supervising and worrying about that reckless man.
While I agree with you on this, it feels like his role back in the Black Swordsman days was also to get Guts back in touch with his humanity. He did stick around during that most crucial period, despite Guts' best effort, which I doubt many would be able to.
I don't think Walter was just referring to post-29 volumes actually, so that's not much of a spoiler, don't worry.Chiba said:Stop spoiling, I haven't read past volume 29 yet. ;)
Well it's not the case. You can realize it pretty easily by taking a close look at episode 274 for example. People just don't pay enough attention to details, and the elves are often relegated to the background these days (leaving space for other characters to develop I guess). That's one of the reasons Puck's witticisms may appear to be standing out to you, because they're less easy to skip while reading.Chiba said:I have the feeling that you see Puck more in Chibi form than in its actual look.
If you think there are too many humorous lines and that they detract from the rest of the story then maybe you should simply reconsider the way you see Berserk as a whole. Sometimes people's expectations and beliefs don't match reality, it's a recurring problem with Berserk.Chiba said:I like to see Berserk as a serious story and don't want too many jokes in there.
Could be. It's also hard not to miss or misinterpret things when one doesn't read the original directly from the source unfortunately, like Puella said.Chiba said:But maybe I really misunderstand Puck's role, I'm currently re-reading the manga (read it 3 years ago for the first time) and I'm now up to volume 14 and already found a ton of new things which I didn't understand or misinterpreted before.
I think that was supposed to be included in the "Puck has always been supervising and worrying about that reckless man" comment.vlad said:While I agree with you on this, it feels like his role back in the Black Swordsman days was also to get Guts back in touch with his humanity. He did stick around during that most crucial period, despite Guts' best effort, which I doubt many would be able to.
Because of the way the anime adapted (omitted) sections of the manga, Puck's true role wouldn't have played out until later in the story. And since the scope of the anime was focused on the Golden Age arc, including Puck would have been a distraction.general zig said:Do you think it was a good decision to not include pluck in the anime? They could of put him in the first episode and maybe for a split sec now and then. It could of still came out to 25 episodes.
Well... you are Comic relief (specifically not taking a story too seriously) is a necessary aspect to all good writing. By your logic above, you probably also didn't like Guts making wise cracks throughout volume 10 ("STOP IT MAN, YOU'RE KILLING THE MOOD! FOCUS ON THE GRAVEYARD INFILTRATION, OK?!").smoke said:"Hey, stupid, you're wrong because..."
Hey stupid, you're wrong because...stupid said:And I know Aaz or Walter will pop in and go "Hey, stupid, you're wrong because..."
Obviously, bad taste plays a big role in it. Awful tastes and shitty opinions can't be reasoned with, but fortunately these people usually don't stick to Berserk very long (there are exceptions, like for everything). That's another way to put it, but I prefer to be more tactful.Judo said:I get what you're trying to say, but isn't it an issue of taste after all?
Yes, under the condition of not having bad tastes to begin with of course, though the two are often intertwined. This poses the question of people that read Berserk for the wrong reasons.Judo said:If you like certain elements of the story or not, is imo just conditionally a matter of maturity.
It amounts to the same, and since the same people are concerned most of the time, I'd say no. Besides, it's not a matter of disliking a character here but saying he's perturbing the story. That's quite an assertion. Now, if this thread has to keep going, how about talking about the character itself instead of trying and failing to justifyJudo said:But isn't there a little difference in not realising things like charakter-development or cultural references at all and disliking Puck?
Well I don't find it funny when people turn a thread that's just generally about "Puck!" into a popularity contest and a peanut gallery shouting match. While we could be seriously discussing the character, all you care to do is mock others and give your one-line opinion on the matter. Thanks, it's really helping the thread go places.TheBeast43105 said:I find it funny when people say that other people are wrong because the persons opinion is different than their own.
It is possible, but IMHO the playfull nature of the species does not indicate that they would become resentfull. I'm leaning more in the direction of kind-of acceptance that things have changed and that they can't do much about it. This would lead them to choose "exile" and keeping with those humans that seem to be more attune to the natural (for lack of a better word) order of things.the more I think they as a species may now resent humans for having become ignorant of their existence
That would seem plausible, but there could still be other places that do not get mentioned simply because humans don't notice them. This is speculative and probably irrelevant, but it could matter in case that your theory of Hanafubuku Oh (and Puck) proves true.I think they may have all migrated to Elfhelm, which may have become a final safe haven