shinpeiro said:I have a very similar theory with Casca using the Beherit, but a different sacrifice. Although not to be a tease and not explain my theory, but I'm of the mind to let the author do the storytelling and let the fans appreciate his work/art. I'll explain when the series comes to an end. I don't want to jinx anything :-X
It's ok, just commenting on the original thread topic. It doesn't need to be remembered. Lol!Aazealh said:
No one will remember this post ever existed by the time the series come to an end. Sounds like your theory, if it exists, simply can't withstand public scrutiny.
Indeed, for a variety of reasons I don't expect the beherit to be used in a traditional manner. It's been around for too long to end up creating "yet another" apostle for Guts to kill. I think it will be used in an alternate way, possibly involving Puck.Lithrael said:The trouble with all the edgiest sacrifice ideas in Berserk is that the closest relationships are between people where one or both have already been sacrificed and so are apparently ineligible.
Well I'd add Serpico to that list, with a caveat. His future is certainly up in the air right now. But I'm not sure him sacrificing Farnese (and Guts immediately destroying him) would make much sense, or lead to a more interesting story scenario.And the runner-up relationships aren't close enough to have the narrative punch to make it interesting storytelling. I mean, picture Isidro doing it. My reaction would be 'huh' rather than 'shock!!' and that's not what Miura wants at all. We'd have to build up to something with Rickert or even Sonia or Mule to get a sacrifice worth writing.
If anything were wrong with him in that regard, it'd have to have been something that could slip past Schierke all this time as well. I think we pretty much know Azan's situation, it just hasn't been explicitly laid out in the story yet.My current favorite prospect for sleeper mystery is what is really wrong with Azan. But since nothing in Elfhelm is freaked out about him it's not likely to be anything that crazy.
That just gave me an insight! I could almost forgive you now, Griffith.Griffith said:But like Aaz says, nobody is going to remember our half-baked theories by the time it comes to fruition, so we might as well go nuts: Casca uses it to separate Griffith and the child... somehow?
This has come up a few times, so here's my previous response:Voldo said:I'm pretty sure branded people can't use Beherits,
Walter said:I don't think the series has ruled out a sacrifice using a Beherit. It's just unlikely to happen in the story, and wouldn't make a terrible amount of sense. For years I thought it strictly wasn't possible, because of Conrad's words in Vol 3. But then I noticed something about when God Hand talk are talking about Beherits and "being ordained by causality."
I think what Conrad said had less to do with Guts being a sacrifice, and more to do with his relationship with the Beherit. Conrad said Guts wasn't "ordained" to be among them as an apostle during the Count's ceremony. But shortly afterwards, Guts ends up with a Beherit, which he's carried around ever since. Now, let's recall Ubik's words to Griffith in Volume 12: "From the moment you took possession of that crimson Beherit, you had the qualities to become a demon ... No, perhaps I should say that because you had those qualities, it fell into your hands."
Though these two dialogues are separated by almost 10 volumes worth of material, the thrust of this argument is reinforced by the repeated urgings from Slan (Vol 3, 26) and the specters (Vol 16), for Guts to use it. That could all be merely dramatic tension or a true threat. But if he ever took the offer, it would be a dead-end in terms of the story.
Let's apply that potential outcome to the two most obvious scenarios:
Guts takes the deal, however unlikely that sounds. This effectively ends the series. Guts is no longer a human, and the God Hand have influence over him, just like what happened when Ganishka faced Griffith in Vritannis. Thus, the conflict at the heart of the series would come to a swift and unsatisfying end.
Casca takes the deal. There'd be no saving her from that. Whether he can bring himself to kill her or not, Guts would be demoralized, and his consistent savior to relinquish the Beast's hold on him would be gone.
So... yeah, it's not something I like spending too much time debating. I'm a pragmatic guy, and hypotheticals aren't really my thing. Instead, as we've said here for years, I can't help but think that Miura has bigger plans for it than merely another apostle ceremony.
Aside from Femto, who has been incarnated, the members of the God Hand did not possess physical bodies the last time we saw them. And even if they did, what Guts would need is to be able to harm them on a spiritual level. Which he already can, to a small extent.Faded said:My half-baked (or fully baked, haha) theory is that they somehow figure out a way to imbue Guts's Beherit into the Dragon Slayer, allowing Guts to physically wound the God Hand. It wouldn't shock anyone but it would definitely fit better into the story than some of these various dark sacrifice theories.
Yeah, because Skull Knight's beherit sword technique worked really well against Femto the last time he tried it.Faded said:Think about how cool a Femto-Guts battle would be if Guts could cleave open portals and attack Femto from all these various angles
May I also suggest the fact the Skull Knight has swallowed a non-negligeable number of beherits and melted them in his armor, then has to plunge his sword into it to create that technique. You are suggesting that a single beherit be used to replicate that technique on the Dragon Slayer, a vastly larger sword... By a human who couldn't possibly use the same method.Faded said:Biggest hole I can poke in my own theory is that having 2 Beherit swords in the same story would be seen by some as redundant
Because this technique involves the Skull Knight himself, as I stated above. Also, Guts being able to teleport during fights isn't really how I'd like his character to develop.Faded said:why not just have Skull Knights Beherit sword end up in Guts hands somehow? Still think it would be cool to see Guts have access to teleportation.
I already concede my theory is bogus in general, but this point by you could technically be argued. Femto somehow knew that Skull Knight was going to show up (Sonia is feeding Femto prophecies perhaps?) If somehow Guts was able to wield the Beherit sword that *might* surprise Femto enough that he wouldn't be able to grasp the astral rip caused by Guts swinging it. Maybe.Aazealh said:Yeah, because Skull Knight's beherit sword technique worked really well against Femto the last time he tried it.
Beherits are tied to the Idea of Evil. That's where they come from and that's who their master is. There is no guarantee they can effectively be used against their creator or its agents. It is certainly worth trying, as the Skull Knight did, but so far it hasn't borne results.Faded said:I already concede my theory is bogus in general, but this point by you could technically be argued. Femto somehow knew that Skull Knight was going to show up (Sonia is feeding Femto prophecies perhaps?) If somehow Guts was able to wield the Beherit sword that *might* surprise Femto enough that he wouldn't be able to grasp the astral rip caused by Guts swinging it. Maybe.
I really don't think anyone in Guts' group will be using that beherit.MrFlibble said:I think the only plausible candidate for using the Beherit is Serpico. Casca can't use the Beherit when Guts has already been sacrificed, and Griffith is a God Hand member. I doubt the God Hand would trade one of their own for a commom type of demon.
Archer1215 said:I know you’re joking, but I don’t think Sonia will ever leave Griffith’s side.
That shouldn't be attributed to Void.Archer1215 said:Well, we do know that the whatever their plan is, we do know that the prophesied Age of Darkness isn't something that will last forever.
"I suppose that's what people will call it afterwards. The Age of Darkness." -- Void, Episode 88
That's not actually what the line implies. You're extrapolating too much from how Dark Horse chose to localize the line. Here's what it implies: Dark times are ahead.This line implies that not only will the Age of Darkness come and go, but that humans will will still be around by the time it ends. I think that's where we are now with the birth of Fantasia.
I really don't understand your take here. I guess sure, she could remain on the same linear path that she's been on since her introduction through the duration of the series. But that sounds terribly boring given all the other avenues there are to explore.I like Sonia as a character, just as I like Mule and Charlotte. But I just don't think this is the type of story where these people wake up, face reality, and relinquish the evil in their hearts. Particularly Sonia, who appears to have a deeper connection with Griffith than anyone else in his ranks. And honestly, I just don't think that would be a very interesting turn of events. The contrary just makes for a far more engaging conflict in my opinion.