Walter said:I liked the latest trailer.
Walter said:Shouldn't we make a Star Wars thread at this point?
Griffith said:Go on...? I think it's a bit more subtle, intimate, and less about advertising the return of STAR WARS than the last two. Basically, the first one was all about the big picture idea of STAR WARS returning, the second was about nostalgia and signaling a return to form, and this one is about these characters, this story, and the actual. If they can pull off all those elements at once in the film itself, we'll have a winner.
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As usual, Aaz already did it a year ago.
http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14526.0
Salem said:Am I the minority here? Kylo Ren looks identical to Darth Revan from KOTOR. I know they ruled that character out as non canon, but damn.
Walter said:Well, the first trailer didn't do anything for me at all. This gave me little goosebumps.
Walter said:In addition to all the new settings and scenarios we see in this new trailer, I think the music is what worked for me the most — an effective gut punch of nostalgia. Han going from skeptical rogue in a New Hope to saying "it's all true" 20 years later, was also a nice touch. Also, I just liked the angle they're taking. It's done a good job of dispeling my fear that this will be purely a story about consequences of the first trilogy, and more about exploring these three new characters.
Walter said:My wife has asked me to start searching for pre-order tickets now... And a babysitter.
Walter said:Revan's mask is cooler. I'm still surprised how boring Kylo's mask is compared to, say, Vader's. For a project with thousands of artists, and this being the most iconic costume piece in the movie, it looks, I dunno... under-designed. Something about concentric lines doesn't strike fear into me in the same way as Vader's Sci-Fi Shogun helmet.
Walter said:Anyway, KOTOR being non canon is perfect. Now they can pilfer whatever they want without having to tie it back to anything from the past
Griffith said:The first, first one (which was pretty underwhelming), or the Luke one (that's the one that first hooked me)?
Anyway, I'm glad to hear you're in the spirit, "The Force is calling you... let it in." =)
I also feel like for a "next generation" story it's doing a damn fine job of making me feel like I'm being invited to be a part of it now through these new characters rather than resenting them for not being my old favorites.
Walter said:I meant the "Chewie.... we're home" trailer -- which was exactly what I didn't want from a new trilogy.
Walter said:Ever since I was a kid and learned that A New Hope is "Episode IV" in a trio of trilogies, I've had big ideas for what the third story arc would be. I've always wanted it to be removed from the conflict of the movies I grew up with. Because while I of course loved those movies, that conflict and those characters felt perfectly concluded by RotJ. So, I wanted it this new story arc to focus on a whole new set of characters, and I was glad to see them take the forefront in this trailer.
Walter said:Even if... the prospect of the remnants of the empire being the villain is more than a little disappointing to me.
Griffith said:(BTW, an excellent read on Star Wars and Empire producer Gary Kurtz and if you haven't seen it already, with all sorts of details about what Return of the Jedi could have been: http://herocomplex.latimes.com/movies/star-wars-was-born-a-long-time-ago-but-not-all-that-far-far-away-in-1972-filmmakers-george-lucas-and-gary-kurtz-wer/).
m said:The other day I got my tickets for December 16th. So far I haven't watched any trailers and I have stayed away from any sort of spoilers; basically I know nothing about the movie other than the fact that it's a Star Wars movie and that familiar faces will be on it. My reason for going in blind is basically that expectations are a bitch, so I'd rather go in having none.
Walter said:That was fantastic, and it kind of breaks my heart, confirming everyone's worst fears. Thanks for sharing.
m said:The other day I got my tickets for December 16th. So far I haven't watched any trailers and I have stayed away from any sort of spoilers; basically I know nothing about the movie other than the fact that it's a Star Wars movie and that familiar faces will be on it. My reason for going in blind is basically that expectations are a bitch, so I'd rather go in having none.
Walter said:Spoilers aren't a big factor for me personally. The recent trailer did an effective job of changing my level of excitement from null to interested.
NightCrawler said:Isn't it funny that you'll never see the end of SW during your lifetime?
NightCrawler said:Isn't it funny that you'll never see the end of SW during your lifetime?
One of the reasons Jedi came out the way it did was because the story outline of how Jedi was going to be seemed to get tossed out, and one of the reasons I was really unhappy was the fact that all of the carefully constructed story structure of characters and things that we did in Empire was going to carry over into Jedi. The resolution of that film was going to be quite bittersweet, with Han Solo being killed, and the princess having to take over as queen of what remained of her people, leaving everybody else. In effect, Luke was left on his own. None of that happened, of course.
It was about how are we going to resolve the story of these three people; one of the discussions was about Han Solo’s character being killed in one of the raids in the middle of the story. Harrison wanted it to be that way. He wanted his character to end that way.
It would have been quite sad, and poignant and upbeat at the same time, because they would have won a battle. But the idea of another attack on another Death Star wasn't there at all ... it was a rehash of Star Wars, with better visual effects. And there were no Ewoks ... it was just entirely different. It was much more adult and straightforward, the story.
The one story thread that got totally tossed out the window, which was really pretty important I think, was the one of Vader trying to convince Luke to join him to overthrow the Emperor. That together they had enough power that they could do that, and it wasn’t him saying I want to take over the world and be the evil leader, it was that transition. It was Vader saying, “I’m looking again at what I’ve done and where my life has gone and who I’ve served and, very much in the Samurai tradition, and saying if I can join forces with my son, who is just as strong as I am, that maybe we can make some amends.” So there was all of that going on in Jedi as well, that was supposed to go on. So the story was quite a bit more poignant and the ending was the coronation of Leia as the queen of what was left of her people, to take over the royal symbol. That meant she was then isolated from all of the rest and Luke went off then by himself. It was basically a kind of bittersweet ending. She’s not his sister that dropped in to wrap up everything neatly. His sister was someone else way over on the other side of the galaxy and she wasn’t going to show up until the next episode.
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Griffith said:(here's the obligatory warning that people talked up Phantom Menace & Crystal Skull at first, etc etc).
Walter said:Oh, I remember... I could barely speak with a friend of mine after he'd hyped up Phantom Menace after he caught an early showing it.
Walter said:Griff, when are you seeing it? I won't be able to until Dec. 28-30. Wondering when we'll be able to talk about it on the podcast.
Griffith said:I still remember getting into an argument with a fan friend in high school because I took the somewhat radical position at the time that, "it was kinda bad." His response was basically, "Come on!" and "It's Star Wars!" To which I would say things like, "That's my point, WAS it?" followed by more "Come on"s.
I'll be ready at approximately 10:30pm this Thursday.
(better make it 11 since there's probably going to be at least a half hour of previews)
Don't rush on my account though because Holiday crap is going to have me running all over afterward as well.
Delta Phi said:I'm out of control.