Since so few people seem to remember this guy, I was thinking on a thread focusing on this mysterious King Godot forged the Dragon Slayer for.
Supreme King Aolsier
Supreme King Aolsier
He couldn't wheel it, but he could still use it to kill a dragon...A.C said:now hold on a minute. i was under the impression that the king banished Godo because Godo made a dragonslaying sword that nobody could wheel... which sort of implies that the king never used it.
It's not impossible, but it probably wasn't Ys. Too far away/hard to reach, for one thing. But who knows.space_elevator said:Speaking of this mystery kingdom that commissioned the DS, it couldn't have been Eath, could it?
"All" the mainland kingdoms? Who's to say how many of them there are? And from what Godot said he forged the DS when he was young, that can mean up to 50 years ago. It shouldn't come off as a surprise then that the people in Vritannis aren't recognizing it. Not to mention that after what happened to Godot the DS was probably not a popular topic at the court.space_elevator said:Lots of nobles and military commanders from all the "mainland" kingdoms saw the DS in Vritannis
No, it's not suggested.space_elevator said:the location of the kingdom that requested the DS isn't suggested by the text, is it?
Godot has no lord... The local guy he made equipment for most likely isn't related to the kingdom he used to live in. Don't forget he escaped that kingdom in order to save his life.space_elevator said:It doesn't really spell out the relationship between Godo's lord and the castle/king Godo escaped from.
Nothing hints anything about Godot's "original workplace" in the manga. I don't think you should assume that.space_elevator said:It would at least explain how Godo could safely hide near his original workplace
Tudor of course!bastard_swordsman said:That does make me question where Aolsier was king of
Yay! Reasonable doubt! I can't express my joy.Aazealh said:It's not impossible, ... But who knows.
Aazealh said:...after what happened to Godot the DS was probably not a popular topic at the court.
Can't translantions be confounding? I was referring to the same "local guy" via the DH interpretation, and basing part of what I said on a comment Erica makes about Godot previously. DH went with "Daddy's real famous in town", blah blah, "local lord"; Puella renders it "called a master smith in this town", "the lords back then". I'm not sure where Godot's hut is in relation to this town, and the sequence of events in general. Could anyone enlighten me?Aazealh said:Godot has no lord... The local guy he made equipment for most likely isn't related to the kingdom he used to live in. Don't forget he escaped that kingdom in order to save his life.
No, there isn't anything like that in the background he and Erica supply. But thinking about it, the DS was made a long time ago. Was Godot at the hut when he made it, and if not, is it still a certainty it was made from the precious Elf Metal? All I remember is a statement that he settled there because of the ore, not that the DS was made from it. I had based my statement on that, but now that you pointed that out I can't recall if it was established that the DS was made from the ore in the cave. Did Skull Knight say so at some point? Naturally the lack of affirmative proof would not mean it was not so, but it seems worth mentioning. The first sword Guts used on the bulldog/pig apostle a Godot's place likewise isn't explicitly identified as being made out of local ore, but since it was made so recently at that location one assumes so. It didn't seem to gain any particular bonus from that, if it was made from...Elftainuim...Dwarfanite...ooh, I've got it, Aolsier Metal.Aazealh said:Nothing hints anything about Godot's "original workplace" in the manga. I don't think you should assume that.
Well if that's what "unlikely" means to you, sure.space_elevator said:Yay! Reasonable doubt! I can't express my joy.
The situation wasn't exactly propitious to such a thing though. There were more pressing matters at the time.space_elevator said:Sorry, I was just trying to suggest the author had an opportunity to expand the backstory there, and didn't. That's no basis for conclusions, but it was the last opportunity for Guts (w/DS) to interact with those groups and expand on his relationships with them, for a good long while anyway.
I'd say it's more likely to occur where Guts is going. Hence the idea of him meeting Aolsier in Elfhelm.space_elevator said:If we're going to get DS backstory, I'd guess it could only occur where Guts is/going, or with Rickert & Erica, since they're really the only characters in the story I assume would express knowledge or interest in the DS.
Ys like the legendary maritime city. The game series takes its name from it too, but the original tale is likely what the name is referencing in Berserk. Please note that no official spelling has been confirmed for now though.space_elevator said:Y's (like the game?)
I know you meant him, but my point is that the guy isn't Godot's lord. He rules on a town nearby, maybe a few others as well, but Godot lives remotely in the moutain, all by himself, and the guy's got no authority on him. So it can't be said that he's his lord. I think you're really confused about this whole thing so I'll try to explain below.space_elevator said:I was referring to the same "local guy" via the DH interpretation, and basing part of what I said on a comment Erica makes about Godot previously. DH went with "Daddy's real famous in town", blah blah, "local lord"; Puella renders it "called a master smith in this town", "the lords back then". I'm not sure where Godot's hut is in relation to this town, and the sequence of events in general. Could anyone enlighten me?
No, Godot used to work for various nobles in an unknown kingdom back in the day. The same kingdom he fled after the DS fiasco.space_elevator said:1. Young Godot does work for a local guy/lord, who lives in a town.
Not at all.space_elevator said:Is it the same town Erica brags Godot is known in; near the mine?
There's no mention of a "previous town." The only town mentioned is the one near Godot's current place, by Erica. Back in the day, Godot used to work in an unknown kingdom, for important nobles (what is referred to as "lords" in the translation). These nobles can't be compared to the little chieftain that rules over the small town near Godot's hut. There's lord and lord basically. So these various, unnamed nobles were clients of Godot, and resided in the unknown kingdom he escaped from after the DS incident. So far at that point in time, Godot has been living in that unknown kingdom, and has never been at the mine or the hut where he'd later live (after fleeing his country).space_elevator said:2. A King wants a sword to kill a dragon.
This is a different person than Young Godot's previously mentioned employer right? And is there any indication of how this king relate to that town, or the Young Godot town, if there are two different towns?
It's likely he lived in the capital city of that kingdom back then, as he used to work for important nobles, that likely lived at the king's court. There are no precisions in that regard. And he took the sword (and some of his other belongings) with him as he escaped of course.space_elevator said:3. Godot makes the sword, pisses off "the castle".
Did he go to the castle, send the sword to the castle, mail them a picture of it? How much is absolutely stated? The DS either never changed hands, was returned to him, or he took it back somehow, because he's still got it when Guts shows up (how explicit is the timeframe?) fifty years later. ...Well, we can rule out it not changing hands, on account of Supreme King Aolsier, duh.
He physically escaped custody. Fled from jails under the castle.space_elevator said:4.Godot escapes the castle. Subsequently, lives in the hut where Guts interacts with him.
Does it state he physically escaped custody, or "escaped" prosecution/a punishment?
Nope.space_elevator said:perhaps his life is spared by the king (Supreme King Aolsier, it just roll off the tongue.)
A king rules over a kingdom, not a town. Again, the only town ever mentioned is the small one near the hut, and it's when Erica brags that he's famous in there.space_elevator said:"you'll never work in this town again", hence his current digs.
No, he wasn't.space_elevator said:No, there isn't anything like that in the background he and Erica supply. [...] Was Godot at the hut when he made it
There's no such thing as Elf Metal, and it's quite certainly not made of metal from the mine he ended settling nearby. It's just extremely unlikely he knew of that mine while living so far away from it.space_elevator said:is it still a certainty it was made from the precious Elf Metal?
Yes, the first sword was definitely made from local ore. Unlike the DS, which Godot made before coming to live there. Of course, nothing indicates that metal from that mine would be special in some way.space_elevator said:The first sword Guts used on the bulldog/pig apostle a Godot's place likewise isn't explicitly identified as being made out of local ore, but since it was made so recently at that location one assumes so.
Must like volume 13's episode 83, it was never published in volume form. Miura removed several pages from episode 93 at the time, apparently because it revealed too much about future events... Not much more is known though.space_elevator said:By the way, that image isn't from volume 14.
that's very specific, i'm not sure we can know for sure if he was ever imprisoned or sentenced to death. and why do you think it was a maximum security jail?Aazealh said:He was sentenced to death, but promptly escaped from a maximum security jail. He ran far, far away, and settled in a desolated place in which he had never come before. There his masterful smithing skills made him famous to the local hicks.
They almost hung him, that's what a sentence to death is. And he escaped from under the castle, where he was detained. What's under a castle except for jails? The kitchen? Maybe they planned to have him wash dishes or something?A.C said:that's very specific, i'm not sure we can know for sure if he was ever imprisoned or sentenced to death.
Someone didn't grow up watching the A-Team.A.C said:and why do you think it was a maximum security jail?
That "seems?" Like, you're not believing what he's saying? I think it's pretty literal, what with the gesture he makes saying it and all. And for someone that angered a king, death isn't surprising. Look at the king of Midland. Anyway, I don't see any reason to doubt what's said in the manga.A.C said:Godo said they almost hung him out to dry... which could mean that they intended to hang him, but that seems awefully harsh punishment and i'm not sure Godo is saying it litterary.
I think Wally has a transcript up like he does for episode 83 on the site.A.C said:now for Aolsier. is there any scans of these removed pages to be found like episode 83? or maybe just a transcript of the text on the pages? if all the info on Aolsier has been removed from the volumes then it's a little hard to discuss him.
Nope, it's in there. You can check puella's translation of this scene here: http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=4811.0A.C said:i can't recall a sentence like that from the volume. was it also removed by Miura?