Uncertainty about Berserk's future

As for an actual continuation, I think that the less riskier and less controversial choice would be to continue the story in anime form. That way, the manga remains intact and forever solely Miura's work as it should, without being exploited, and whatever the outcome from an anime adaptation would be quality wise, it would't be that important really
I thought about that possibility as well but the last two seasons screamed “I’m only here to advertise the manga”. If they’d decide to continue the story in anime form, they’d have to basically start over from the beginning which doesn’t really make sense anymore with the existing adaptions. I think that’s maybe something that could happen in 5-10 years. But even then, as an anime alone it wouldn’t make enough money I think. Adult series often get aired during the night which doesn’t attract a lot of viewers. A manga continuation would be much cheaper and less risky. I’d probably prefer an anime original ending, though
 
Most authors know how the story starts and how they want it to end. Having worked with many of them and being a close friend to one, it's a pretty good guess that Berserk does have an ending. But, well. It's pointless to know the ending without all the stuff inbetween. If you summed it up as "One armed man fucks demon prostitute, later kills the man who betrayed him and took his arm" that would be about the worst description of Berserk you could come up with even if it was exactly true. Everything between the start and end is what makes a story worth telling and thats the problem with wanting the ending or a poor continuation. And while we knew and can guess at how some things will go in the end (We knew Casca could and would be cured at some point in the story, and the Dreamcast game flat out let us know it can happen) It's how they happen that actually matters.

The story is over, and it's terrible that it will never be finished. But in a twisted way, it's better to never be finished than it is to be bastardized.
 
I'm certain that some parts of the story have already been decided. There is absolutely no way we were introduced to (probably) new members of the God Hand without Miura knowing he was going to do something with them.
 

Aazealh

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But that passion...that love, does not change the fact that Berserk was, ultimately, a product produced for profit. A product that was at least in part, owned by individuals apathetic about the intrinsic value of the artistic process. When you awaken to that realization, it starts to become clear how it is that abominations such as the Grunbeld novel, the terrible and unpolished musuo game, or the 2016 anime even came to be. They weren't created out of a desire to create art as was the incentive in the case of the manga proper, they were produced with the aim of financial gain.

I think you're confused here. The light novel, video games or the anime adaptations were all greenlit by Miura. They weren't created as art but more as merchandise, likely in part to serve as advertisements for the manga. In any case, he greenlit them. However I see a difference between these and a continuation to the manga. I believe Young Animal's reasoning is that something that's just derivative can be low quality and not damage the real work. However taking over the series is a whole other story. That doesn't mean they can't come to a ruinous decision, because it's certainly a possibility, but I wouldn't equate these different things to one another.

I know what path I am going to take.

The decision is out of our hands.

I am curios, how would you guys feel about a continuation, if Miura's last wish was to finish Berserk, based on his notes?

Personally, I prefer not to indulge in clueless speculation. We don't even know if Miura left a will, nor do we know whether he left a lot of material coherently arranged to cover a significant enough part of the story that was left to tell. Nothing is sure at all, so we can do little else but wait to be told how it's going to be.

As for an actual continuation, I think that the less riskier and less controversial choice would be to continue the story in anime form. That way, the manga remains intact and forever solely Miura's work as it should, without being exploited, and whatever the outcome from an anime adaptation would be quality wise, it would't be that important really. We'll always have the manga, everything else is not that important at that point.

Given the current state of the anime industry I really don't see how any current adaptation could do Berserk justice. I'm not even talking about continuing the story here, just adapting what's already there. So I don't think continuing the manga in anime form is a feasible option at all.

If you summed it up as "One armed man fucks demon prostitute, later kills the man who betrayed him and took his arm" that would be about the worst description of Berserk you could come up with even if it was exactly true.

Uhhh no, I mean the female apostle wasn't a prostitute and Femto wasn't the one who took Guts' arm. :ganishka:

Everything between the start and end is what makes a story worth telling and thats the problem with wanting the ending or a poor continuation. And while we knew and can guess at how some things will go in the end (We knew Casca could and would be cured at some point in the story, and the Dreamcast game flat out let us know it can happen) It's how they happen that actually matters.

That is very true. As I've said many times before, it's really not that difficult to trace a broad outline of the story between episode 363 and the end. The hard part is the myriad of details and nuances in every single panel, on every single page. It's a given that Miura already knew how he wanted things to develop until the ending, and he might even have had some sketches and notes detailing some of it. But even then, filling in the details is what's supremely hard.
 
Given the current state of the anime industry I really don't see how any current adaptation could do Berserk justice. I'm not even talking about continuing the story here, just adapting what's already there. So I don't think continuing the manga in anime form is a feasible option at all.

I agree, my point was that I would prefer to leave the manga alone and do whatever they want in some other medium, I have little hope for good adaptations at this point. It's not really a matter of doing justice to the manga at this point. For a hypothetical continuation of the story, I think, like @hsvfan-jan said, an anime original ending is better, no huge risks involved. It's safer that way, any adaptation may suck, but the manga will always be the true experience, and I wouldn't want anyone to fuck with it to be honest, that's just me. Or if they do, make it a new series, I would seriously hate them if they would just continue the manga, the seperation between Miura's Berserk and someone's elses Berserk is very important. They probably know that, and what's at stake for the fanbase in general, but I'm just saying.
 
I see this as an opportunity.

We're in a very specific period where we can have the series end with its creator. If Studio Gaga does continue it without him, that opportunity is gone. I've made my peace with Berserk ending. I will forever love it and forever cherish it. It continuing won't change that, but I would say it's more likely for the quality to be subpar than it is for it to be comparable.

We got over thirty years of Berserk. It sucks to not see it properly conclude in the way Miura would have liked us to have experienced, but it would suck more for us to get the vision that wasn't his.
 

Aazealh

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If there was a continuation, that was written by a fan of the series, would that affect the overall series?

In what way do you mean? If it's whether it would have an impact on Hakusensha's plans, I don't think it would. If you mean something else, please specify!

Anyway, I remember that years ago, I'm talking over 10 years here, some guy decided to write Berserk's ending by himself because he was impatient or something. So he did these little webcomics (with the visual quality you'd expect). Beyond the graphical aspect, the story was hilarious because he had Femto fighting against Griffith (yes, really) and the Sovereign of the Flower Storm was depicted as basically Yogurt from Spaceballs. This happened around the time of volume 34, where Griffith famously turns into Femto atop of Ganishka, so his entire key plot item (Griffith being a separate entity from Femto, and a good guy) was immediately disproven, but he kept going anyway. Of course the idea was always ridiculous and I'm pretty sure I told him that it didn't make sense, but what can you do. Anyway, I imagine he has a completed story somewhere.

The reason I'm telling you this long and not-very-interesting anecdote is because "fan continuations" to the story already exist, or at least one of them does. And it's complete and utter garbage. This is going to be the main problem with any attempt that is made to continue the story by someone other than Kentarou Miura, whether official or non-official. It will be very hard to make it good enough that it doesn't immediately come across as a travesty. In all humility, I think I understand Berserk's story and characters better than most people, and I've thought long and hard about various ways in which the series could reach its conclusion. My insight is that doing it justice is a much harder task than some people seem to realize, both when it comes to human drama and big picture plot points.
 
In what way do you mean? If it's whether it would have an impact on Hakusensha's plans, I don't think it would. If you mean something else, please specify!

Anyway, I remember that years ago, I'm talking over 10 years here, some guy decided to write Berserk's ending by himself because he was impatient or something. So he did these little webcomics (with the visual quality you'd expect). Beyond the graphical aspect, the story was hilarious because he had Femto fighting against Griffith (yes, really) and the Sovereign of the Flower Storm was depicted as basically Yogurt from Spaceballs. This happened around the time of volume 34, where Griffith famously turns into Femto atop of Ganishka, so his entire key plot item (Griffith being a separate entity from Femto, and a good guy) was immediately disproven, but he kept going anyway. Of course the idea was always ridiculous and I'm pretty sure I told him that it didn't make sense, but what can you do. Anyway, I imagine he has a completed story somewhere.

The reason I'm telling you this long and not-very-interesting anecdote is because "fan continuations" to the story already exist, or at least one of them does. And it's complete and utter garbage. This is going to be the main problem with any attempt that is made to continue the story by someone other than Kentarou Miura, whether official or non-official. It will be very hard to make it good enough that it doesn't immediately come across as a travesty. In all humility, I think I understand Berserk's story and characters better than most people, and I've thought long and hard about various ways in which the series could reach its conclusion. My insight is that doing it justice is a much harder task than some people seem to realize, both when it comes to human drama and big picture plot points.
But even if the studio or a fan can capture the atmosphere and tension that Miura provided us, wouldn't be fair to give them chance, even if we know that it won't be the same type of writing quality as the Manga?
 

Walter

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But even if the studio or a fan can capture the atmosphere and tension that Miura provided us, wouldn't be fair to give them chance, even if we know that it won't be the same type of writing quality as the Manga?
The moment a story or character decision comes across as unauthoritative, the whole exercise would become folly. And there would be hundreds of opportunities for pitfalls like that in each episode. Emulating Miura's style is one thing, but correctly intuiting all of the decisions he'd have made is impossible.
 

Aazealh

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But even if the studio or a fan can capture the atmosphere and tension that Miura provided us, wouldn't be fair to give them chance, even if we know that it won't be the same type of writing quality as the Manga?

Hmm, there's several things here. First, you're assuming someone can capture the "atmosphere and tension" of Berserk. That's a big assumption. How are these even defined? Different parts of the story have different atmospheres and tensions. For example, the mood is pretty relaxed on the island as of episode 363, but with an underlying current of uncertainty about the future, and a vague feeling that tranquility won't last forever. Very different atmosphere from when the group ventures into the Qliphoth in volume 25, when Guts and Casca talk about the Bonfire of Dreams, or when Guts is rushing to get to her in volume 19. And this can change on a page to page basis, too. Sticking with episode 363, it starts with a very melancholic scene between the Skull Knight and Danan, then moves on to a funny scene between Isidro and the witches, and ends on a mysterious note, with the boy appearing in front of Guts.

Second, in your hypothetical scenario, that would be achieved even though the writing quality wouldn't be on Miura's level. I'm not convinced that's possible. Berserk is unique in many regards, including the fact it has continuously evolved over the years. You never see the same situations and fights, and characters constantly evolve as they experience things. What this means is that you can't just keep things "the way they are". The characters have to keep developing as they are faced with new ordeals and dilemmas. Miura did it so well that we never quite noticed them changing, just knew that they had. It always felt natural yet was done very subtly and in an economical manner, without being detrimental to the action. This is exceedingly important, because if the characters don't feel right, "atmosphere and tension" are meaningless.

Third, there's the fact Berserk is told in a visual medium. Most of the time Miura shows rather than tells. This is central to the appeal of the story. I don't think it could really be Berserk without the biggest moments being told through drawings rather than words. And of course, that means coming up with those big moments, and doing so in a manner that naturally allows for and integrates the character development mentioned above, all the while bringing the story to its conclusion neither too quickly nor too slowly. Berserk is defined by how densely packed each of its pages is while it stays riveting to read. It's a delicate balance, less easy to attain than one might think.

Lastly, you mention fairness. Do we owe it to anyone to let them get a "fair shot" at continuing Berserk? I don't particularly think so, no. Personally, I believe we shouldn't even be having this conversation yet, just out of decency towards Miura sensei. I'm also convinced that someone who would feel entitled to writing Berserk's continuation just like that would innately show themselves to be unqualified to do it.
 
To me berserk is not like other manga where another author can pick up a pen and continue where the previous author left off. Berserk is such an intricately detailed work, and berserk was the voice of Miura. This isnt like dragon ball where there is just a stronger bad guy to beat up every week. This is an extremely nuanced work where attention to detail is everything. Miuras personality is behind every page and to me berserk has a very unique atmosphere to it. A certain feeling I get when I look at these pages, read the text. Its nothing something that can easily be replicated.
 
I also wanted to point out what aaz was saying about those big moments in the story, and how hard it would be for someone else to execute.

There are many moments in berserk where miura had switched up the art style in order to convey a certain feeling. I think back to the scene where casca goes to see guts for the first time since she was restored and we see that highly detailed image of Griffith in the cell. Do we really expect assistants to able to pull off moments like this? and either way if it was not Miura's idea I personally wouldn't care for it.

Miura just thought about everything. Something that I just love is how he never failed to draw guts's little nose scar. Everytime I see it, I remember how he got it, and its details like that make you as a reader remember what these characters have been through and why they are the way they are.
 
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For me, it’s simple: If Miura couldn’t get to see the ending of his life’s work, no one else should.

If they choose to release cliff notes (if any exist) with some previously unseen sketches, that would be cool to satisfy my curiosity but I’ve come to terms with BERSERK being an unfinished masterpiece.
 
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