Void's Ascend to Godhand

[Kederlilahmacun]

Hi everyone, I am new to this forum but I'm glad to finally have some people to talk about this masterpiece. I hope I chose the right category for posting this whole "theory" if you could call it one. If I did anything wrong, I apologize for any inconvenience.

So, I have been thinking. If we are to assume that SK is indeed the Supreme King Gaiseric, and that he lost his whole kingdom to an eclipse, we could argue that he has a serious beef with Void considering all the events that has taken so far. (Understatement of the century perhaps)

So, an eclipse takes place every 216 years. Void and SK has been around for over a millenium. An Incarnation Ceremony takes place every 1000 years.

When we see the memories that reside within the Berserker Armor, we see an open field with a Brand of Sacrifice alongside an obvious eclipse.

The first point I would like to touch on is, do you think Void was Incarnated in this supposed ceremony? We know the parallels in Berserk. Griffith is the latest member of the Godhand. He is the one who was incarnated in the last ceremony. Could the parallel to this event be Void's incarnation? If so, it begs the question:

Why haven't we seen Void in the "human form?" My guess is, he is like a third party watching how the causality unfolds. It's like he has some alternative motives other than just serving as a Godhand even more so than Femto.

Or, I might have just miscalculated everything. If that is the case, feel free to correct me. Or if there is anything you might want to add, feel free to do so.

The other point I would like to touch on is again, about a parallel that is yet to emerge.

So, when we dive into the memories of the Berserker Armor, we see King Gaiseric holding her beloved "Lady Priestess of the Cherry Blossoms." Considering all the parallels, I would assume that Guts will go something similar.

Let's dive deeper. Gaiseric went through an eclipse that he somehow survived (just like Guts) what if Lady was there with him too? Then, I would assume she survived too. (Just like Casca) Then the ceremony happened. Somethinf happened and she lost her life. SK couldn't do anything about it and consequently, his rage (Berserker Armor) consumed him.

Throught the events of Berserk, we are constantly reminded of how Guts defy fate/destiny against all odds. What if all these memories are foreshadowing an event that will take place? What if everything that took place 1000 years ago is happening again, but with a different outcome? Guts is a "Struggler" after all.

Waiting for your opinions. Thank you for reading

 

[Aazealh]

So, I have been thinking. If we are to assume that SK is indeed the Supreme King Gaiseric, and that he lost his whole kingdom to an eclipse

Gaizeric's capital city was destroyed, not his empire that spanned the whole continent.

When we see the memories that reside within the Berserker Armor, we see an open field with a Brand of Sacrifice alongside an obvious eclipse.

Let's be precise here. First we see an alternate dimension, similar to but different from that in which Griffith's ceremony took place. There's no hand there, but Void and four others standing on a pedestal. The Vortex of Souls is visible above, taking the place of the "black sun". By and large, it looks like the event that subsequent ceremonies might have been modeled after. Then we cut to Gaizeric holding his beloved in his arms. As she dies, he sees the brand burning on the landscape down below, then dies himself.

The first point I would like to touch on is, do you think Void was Incarnated in this supposed ceremony? We know the parallels in Berserk. Griffith is the latest member of the Godhand. He is the one who was incarnated in the last ceremony. Could the parallel to this event be Void's incarnation?

Given what we see in the first scene, it doesn't look like Void was incarnated, no. You should be wary of trying to find exact parallels for everything. Some things resemble each other, but they don't have to be the exact same. In fact we know they aren't.

Why haven't we seen Void in the "human form?" My guess is, he is like a third party watching how the causality unfolds. It's like he has some alternative motives other than just serving as a Godhand even more so than Femto.

We haven't seen a human form because Void doesn't have a body of flesh in the current era of the story. It's as simple as that. But it makes no sense to portray him as a neutral observer when he's clearly the mastermind behind the God Hand. They all have their own goals, but these are part of an overarching plan, and the one who designed said plan is Void.

The other point I would like to touch on is again, about a parallel that is yet to emerge.

So, when we dive into the memories of the Berserker Armor, we see King Gaiseric holding her beloved "Lady Priestess of the Cherry Blossoms." Considering all the parallels, I would assume that Guts will go something similar.

Pretty sure that's already happened.

Unless you mean that Casca should die in Guts' arms before he himself dies, in which case... I don't think so.

Gaiseric went through an eclipse that he somehow survived (just like Guts) what if Lady was there with him too? Then, I would assume she survived too. (Just like Casca) Then the ceremony happened. Somethinf happened and she lost her life.

The woman bears the brand on her shoulder, which means she was sacrificed as part of a ceremony. No doubt about that. The real question at the heart of this flashback is whether the first scene (in the alternate dimension) directly precedes the second one (death atop the burning... city?) or if there's a time lapse between the two. For things to mirror what happened with Guts & Griffith, there would need to be two distinct ceremonies, but it doesn't look like it's what happened. It seems to have been part of a single event.

First we're told this is the moment Gaizeric died, so showing us something that happened years before wouldn't make sense. Then there's the fact it works as it is: Gaizeric fought Void, was mortally wounded, then returned to the real world and died holding his beloved in his arms while his city burned. It even works with the old (unreliable) tale of the city's destruction as recounted by Charlotte in volume 10.

The implication is that the ceremony's purpose wasn't for Void to be incarnated, or at least that it occurred differently from Femto's and didn't succeed. There are a few possible scenarios based on that. There is another unknown, which is what happened to Void in the place now known as Saint Albion's monastery. There are also a number of possibilities there. Personally, my preferred line of thinking revolves around Void being the first human to undergo that transformation. On that note, you may be interested in reading what I had to say after episode 362 came out.

SK couldn't do anything about it and consequently, his rage (Berserker Armor) consumed him.

That's not what happened. He simply died from the wounds he had sustained while fighting. We see that he's conscious as he holds her in his arms, then his consciousness fades as he dies. He doesn't go berserk at that time, and the armor doesn't "consume" people anyway, that's not how it works.

Throught the events of Berserk, we are constantly reminded of how Guts defy fate/destiny against all odds.

Guts is really good at surviving – and sometimes even succeeding – against the odds, but he's not "defying fate" per se. See this handy explanation on the topic.

What if all these memories are foreshadowing an event that will take place? What if everything that took place 1000 years ago is happening again, but with a different outcome? Guts is a "Struggler" after all.

That's not possible. The "once in a thousand years" event has already reoccurred: it was Femto's incarnation. Haven't we been talking about the similarities between the two? The real question is what Void's ultimate goal is. What was he trying to achieve a thousand years ago that he couldn't? Because that's what it comes down to. That's why the God Hand is recreating the conditions of the world from back then, with Griffith playing the role of Gaizeric. And that's what Guts and his allies would have ultimately thwarted.

 

[Kederlilahmacun]

Gaizeric's capital city was destroyed, not his empire that spanned the whole continent.



Let's be precise here. First we see an alternate dimension, similar to but different from that in which Griffith's ceremony took place. There's no hand there, but Void and four others standing on a pedestal. The Vortex of Souls is visible above, taking the place of the "black sun". By and large, it looks like the event that subsequent ceremonies might have been modeled after. Then we cut to Gaizeric holding his beloved in his arms. As she dies, he sees the brand burning on the landscape down below, then dies himself.



Given what we see in the first scene, it doesn't look like Void was incarnated, no. You should be wary of trying to find exact parallels for everything. Some things resemble each other, but they don't have to be the exact same. In fact we know they aren't.



We haven't seen a human form because Void doesn't have a body of flesh in the current era of the story. It's as simple as that. But it makes no sense to portray him as a neutral observer when he's clearly the mastermind behind the God Hand. They all have their own goals, but these are part of an overarching plan, and the one who designed said plan is Void.



Pretty sure that's already happened.

Unless you mean that Casca should die in Guts' arms before he himself dies, in which case... I don't think so.



The woman bears the brand on her shoulder, which means she was sacrificed as part of a ceremony. No doubt about that. The real question at the heart of this flashback is whether the first scene (in the alternate dimension) directly precedes the second one (death atop the burning... city?) or if there's a time lapse between the two. For things to mirror what happened with Guts & Griffith, there would need to be two distinct ceremonies, but it doesn't look like it's what happened. It seems to have been part of a single event.

First we're told this is the moment Gaizeric died, so showing us something that happened years before wouldn't make sense. Then there's the fact it works as it is: Gaizeric fought Void, was mortally wounded, then returned to the real world and died holding his beloved in his arms while his city burned. It even works with the old (unreliable) tale of the city's destruction as recounted by Charlotte in volume 10.

The implication is that the ceremony's purpose wasn't for Void to be incarnated, or at least that it occurred differently from Femto's and didn't succeed. There are a few possible scenarios based on that. There is another unknown, which is what happened to Void in the place now known as Saint Albion's monastery. There are also a number of possibilities there. Personally, my preferred line of thinking revolves around Void being the first human to undergo that transformation. On that note, you may be interested in reading what I had to say after episode 362 came out.



That's not what happened. He simply died from the wounds he had sustained while fighting. We see that he's conscious as he holds her in his arms, then his consciousness fades as he dies. He doesn't go berserk at that time, and the armor doesn't "consume" people anyway, that's not how it works.



Guts is really good at surviving – and sometimes even succeeding – against the odds, but he's not "defying fate" per se. See this handy explanation on the topic.



That's not possible. The "once in a thousand years" event has already reoccurred: it was Femto's incarnation. Haven't we been talking about the similarities between the two? The real question is what Void's ultimate goal is. What was he trying to achieve a thousand years ago that he couldn't? Because that's what it comes down to. That's why the God Hand is recreating the conditions of the world from back then, with Griffith playing the role of Gaizeric. And that's what Guts and his allies would have ultimately thwarted.

I appreciate the reply. Seems like I misinterpereted somr thing as I suspected. Still, I would like to see Void as a being with a different motive other than just doing what he wishes to serve the Evil itself. Rather than a neutral force, someone with a goal. Just like Griffith in a way I guess.

 

[Aazealh]

I would like to see Void as a being with a different motive other than just doing what he wishes to serve the Evil itself. Rather than a neutral force, someone with a goal. Just like Griffith in a way I guess.

Oh I think he's definitely got a clear objective of his own. Just not something as pedestrian as ruling over a country.

 

[Goat]

That's not what happened. He simply died from the wounds he had sustained while fighting. We see that he's conscious as he holds her in his arms, then his consciousness fades as he dies. He doesn't go berserk at that time, and the armor doesn't "consume" people anyway, that's not how it works.

That's a maybe minor, but interesting topic to me. Maybe I'm overthinking and becoming a little pedant here , but I'd like to dissect one specific aspect: the flashback is introduced by Hanarr with the purpose to "show how the Berserker armor consumed his previous owner". But then - as you confirm - Gaizeric actually dies in a peaceful state, while holding her beloved - his death doesn't seem to be directly linked to the armor - even if surely the armor has a direct role, due to its mechanics and the bleeding it induces on its owner.
I don't know how to formulate my doubt in words, but doesn't this somehow contradict the motivation which leads Hanarr to show the flashback to Guts? I always intended at the flashback as a "warning" to Guts regarding the armor usage itself.

 

[Aazealh]

Maybe I'm overthinking and becoming a little pedant here

, but I'd like to dissect one specific aspect: the flashback is introduced by Hanarr with the purpose to "show how the Berserker armor consumed his previous owner".

Actually, since you want to be pedantic, what Hanarr says is: "I'm going to show him the memories of the blood ingrained in this armor. How the life of the previous owner was eaten up by the berserk."

I don't know how to formulate my doubt in words, but doesn't this somehow contradict the motivation which leads Hanarr to show the flashback to Guts? I always intended at the flashback as a "warning" to Guts regarding the armor usage itself.

It's not necessarily a contradiction, especially if you consider the fact the gap between the two scenes (rushing toward Void & then waking up with your dying love in your arms) is because he wasn't in control of his actions. It's like being blackout drunk. And then you can wonder how she died exactly. Gaizeric was probably mortally wounded while fighting the bad guys, but what about her? Well, maybe in that scene his other arm is holding a sword plunged in her belly.

 

[Walter]

But then - as you confirm - Gaizeric actually dies in a peaceful state, while holding her beloved - his death doesn't seem to be directly linked to the armor - even if surely the armor has a direct role, due to its mechanics and the bleeding it induces on its owner.

But Gaizeric didn't die at peace. He bled out wearing the armor, harboring a grudge that fueled him for 1,000 years. That's what Ged himself says in 363— Gedflynn: Only deep grace and grudge, and endless rage have motivated him.