Salibu said:Do you guys think by the end of Berserk. We will actually see this IoE or is it more just a concept of the battle of good/evil.
In short, is the IoE an actual person/deity?
Apostle Judeau said:What would be really interesting is if the Moonlight Boy was in fact the IoE made flesh through Femto's rape of Casca and that it was actually his rebirth, not Griffith's that was the true plan of the God Hand all along.
Aazealh said:For reference, the unborn boy had originally been tainted by Femto when he raped Casca during her early pregnancy.
Griffith wasn't reincarnated. The God Hand Femto was incarnated into flesh.Apostle Judeau said:It was this part that initially got me thinking. As when Guts and Griffith meet for the first time after his reincarnation
That's not a personal opinion, it is fact.I personally think who we see now as Griffith is Femto with a human face
Apostle Judeau said:I personally think who we see now as Griffith is Femto with a human face, as you say so I did find it odd he acted so aloof.
Walter said:Griffith wasn't reincarnated. The God Hand Femto was incarnated into flesh.
Walter said:That's not a personal opinion, it is fact.
I think you're just kidding yourself, honestly—particularly so for the example given.Apostle Judeau said:You could speculate when in context with his current interactions with Charlotte that there is still some Griffith in there.
Apostle Judeau said:You could speculate when in context with his current interactions with Charlotte that there is still some Griffith in there.
Apostle Judeau said:Just how much given how broken his mind was by the Eclipse is the question, and if that will come to the surface should he be confronted by a restored Casca.
Aazealh said:We have seen it already, in volume 13 (it looks like a giant, monstrous heart). It's not a person but an entity that transcends individuality and is related to mankind itself.
Salibu said:So is it your belief thats the extent of his appearance or do you believe there is something more.
I meant will we see him in some sort of being form.
Apostle Judeau said:I see what you're but by the same token the other members of the God Hand are humanoid (and now corporeal)
Apostle Judeau said:I couldn't see Guts challenging Void perhaps, to a physical fight even if they were equal size.
Aazealh said:They were human to begin with, and also I wouldn't say they having corporeal forms just quite yet. That they have come into the world is one thing, but how it'll all work remains to be seen.
Even so, it's still far more feasible and easier to imagine than Guts facing off against the Idea of Evil, which is pretty much guaranteed to never happen.
Salibu said:But at some point the God Hand had to be started with a purpose. Is it the God Hands purpose, as in Voids desires. Is it strictly the desires of the IoE?
Salibu said:If it all stems from the IoE, was it ever a being?
Aazealh said:The Idea of Evil made it so people would be born whose desires and goals as well as a cruel fate led them to become members of the God Hand. They each pursue their own goals, but said goals just so happen to align with what we can only guess is some kind of masterplan from the Idea of Evil. Therefore it is both.
I'm not sure I quite understand your use of the word "being" in this thread. Anyway, if we go by episode 83 then it is most certainly a conscious being/entity, yes. And even if we take it out, it remains pretty strongly implied, to the point where I don't think a reasonable doubt subsists.
Salibu said:So IoE created the first man by your account?
Salibu said:Idea of Good.?
Aazealh said:I think we have a serious comprehension problem here. No, the Idea of Evil did not create the first man. Rather, the Idea of Evil was born from the dark side of mankind's collective consciousness, at least if we go by what it tells Griffith in episode 83. But I don't see what that has to do with what we were previously talking about.
There has never been anything in the manga that could lead us to believe this is the case.
Salibu said:More me wondering outloud how the berserk universe came to be. If it was created. If it just was ...etc..you know what I mean?
Salibu said:My only reason for mentioning an IoG is wherever there is evil there seems to be good.
KazigluBey said:I'm definitely looking forward to the possibility of a reboot of IoE. The giant heart is interesting and the symbolism is plentiful but I feel he can wow us with something spectacular.
Aazealh said:The heart design is still canon though, it's shown at the end of episode 82.
IronBerserk said:I would hope that there is some sort of idea of good. Isn't that what the whole friendship plot is about? This idea of good (friendship) is what Guts is using to fight fate and the Idea of Evil.
IronBerserk said:Maybe that's why Miura left it out? Didn't he say in an interview that he would either use or not use it, that he technically wasn't sure yet?