The Brand, Idea and the other symbol

I know that there's already an old thread about it
http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=876

but i'm reading back again the manga (like i said in some post this week) and i just read the "lost chapter" (volume 13 chapter 83) and in pages 4-5 and 12-13 we clearly see Idea.. does anyone noticed the bottom of Idea ? It's the same spiral that we get that Walter talked about in the other thread.

If there was already someone who noticed and talked about that.. i'm sorry.. i've read fast and jumped some lines in the other thread when i checked..

I was just recognizing the resemblance myself-- I've been assuming it is what lead to so many of the symbols of different religions/situations carrying the same basic pattern-- i.e. that the brand and the Holy See's symbols look the same because they both reflect the will of the Idea, which is itself reflective of the intertwining of opposites-- both the two spirals, and the rising up from the what is below. The spiral is Idea's representation of the nature of humanity. The brand and the Holy See reflect that fact.