Same here and I can't stand Guts' voice. It sounds okay (kinda) but the guy can't act at all (kinda goes without saying though ).CnC said:can't say I ever really watched an entire dubbed episode, but the some of the bloopers on those dvds were pretty funny.
Gaddes said:also saying that japan is the god of all voice acting is rather foolish.
thats a totally unfair thing to say about any voice actor. IMO i think the English voice actors are far Superior in almost every aspect when it comes to the Berserk anime, and quite a few others i might add, such as Bastard,Samurai X, S-cry, etc.... this goes back to the theory of, "what language was the first you watched the entire series in?"Aazealh said:Their voice actors are the best, what's foolish is refusing to admit it IMO. They're generally better than English voice actors, French voice actors, Italian voice actors, German voice actors. I've yet to see a non-Japanese voice actor that's not an experienced professional actor already matching the talent of some of them. And anybody taking the Berserk anime as an example instantly loses all credibility to me, too.
well i don't think so, and i have to say that i will just base it on the American voice actors for Berserk in this particular instance and say this....Aazealh said:Your opinion sucks! ;D
DarthVenom said:oh yeah i forgot to add the english voice actors for Berserk RULE!!!!!! lol
DarthVenom said:thats a totally unfair thing to say about any voice actor. IMO i think the English voice actors are far Superior in almost every aspect when it comes to the Berserk anime, and quite a few others i might add, such as Bastard,Samurai X, S-cry, etc.... this goes back to the theory of, "what language was the first you watched the entire series in?"
and yes Aazealh i rememberwell i don't think so, and i have to say that i will just base it on the American voice actors for Berserk in this particular instance and say this....
DarthVenom said:thats a totally unfair thing to say about any voice actor. IMO i think the English voice actors are far Superior in almost every aspect when it comes to the Berserk anime
why? elaborate more pleaseAazealh said:Like I said, you just have no credibility to me.
i think it does make a world of difference, because a specific voice gets assigned to a specific character(if you would like me to give a deeper explanation on this point just ask). And, if i was to have watched the anime in Japanese then the Japanese voice actors would be recognized as the characters voices, and nothing else.Aazealh said:The language you first watched the series in doesn't change this
well isn't that exactly what you are doing? i have seen a very large amount of anime and i think i could use myself as a resource, just as you use yourself as one.Aazealh said:you just can't make abstraction of your personal background when judging a dub. Fair?
as do iAazealh said:you're the one that isn't fair here. I exert myself to be honest and factual.
provocative in what way? and i was not the one who started this thread, so this is not my ridiculous "non-argument". It is my opinion on the Berserk voice actors, and i am voicing that opinion, i truly like the berserk voice actors more, which brings me to my next point.Aazealh said:You on the contrary are just trying to be provocative here, which results in ridiculous non-arguments.
well guess what your 100% wrong ;) i actually enjoy a vast amount of anime spoken in Japanese such as Akira, Saiyuki Reload, etc.... I really enjoy Japanese voice acting when it comes to certain things and i actually prefer it when it comes to others, such as old Samurai movies like "The 47 Ronin" (and if you would like a long list of old samurai flicks, i will happily give them) anyway as i digress, i don't think my opinion sucks, it just makes me come to the conclusion that yours does 8)Aazealh said:I'm sure you prefer English dubs to any other language, be it dubbing or the original actors' voices, whatever the language may be, in any situation. It really isn't hard to come to the conclusion that your opinion sucks pretty bad.
DarthVenom said:why? elaborate more please
DarthVenom said:i think it does make a world of difference, because a specific voice gets assigned to a specific character(if you would like me to give a deeper explanation on this point just ask). And, if i was to have watched the anime in Japanese then the Japanese voice actors would be recognized as the characters voices, and nothing else.
DarthVenom said:well isn't that exactly what you are doing? i have seen a very large amount of anime and i think i could use myself as a resource, just as you use yourself as one.
DarthVenom said:provocative in what way? and i was not the one who started this thread, so this is not my ridiculous "non-argument". It is my opinion on the Berserk voice actors, and i am voicing that opinion, i truly like the berserk voice actors more
DarthVenom said:I really enjoy Japanese voice acting when it comes to certain things and i actually prefer it when it comes to others
DarthVenom said:i don't think my opinion sucks, it just makes me come to the conclusion that yours does 8)
you see thats exactly why i am disagreeing with you. i think the English voice actors suit the anime better. and, that can be due to the fact the i have watched the anime in English first. Also i have watched Berserk in both English and in Japanese, maybe not objectively, but i have watched both. like i said in my OPINION i believe the voice acting done in the Berserk anime to be better in English. eventhough that in itself is an objective statement. you yourself have made many. so if you are going to argue on the bassis of your opinion verses my opinion, no one will win this debate, and the thread should be considered completely useless.Aazealh said:Just re-read what I said about it, what is there to add? The US voice actors for the Berserk anime don't act well. The tones they use don't fit the characters either as far as I can say. If you listen to both dubs objectively, I don't see how you can refute this.
and maybe i should watch the anime completely objectively in both languages, and maybe you might have to come to the realization that you might be too objective on this topic for some reason.Aazealh said:
well go right ahead and XD all you like. i am not killing my argument. and the reason beingAazealh said:Like I said, your problem is just that you can't make abstraction of stuff like this. Deeper explanation? Voice being assigned to a specific character? Don't make me laugh. Right now you're totally killing your argumentation.
yes i have summed it all up. i have not watched the entire series and payed analytic and objective attention to the diffrent voice actors, which i doubt you have either, but even in doing such you can not prove a point that has to do with ones tastes. i find the quality to be great.Aazealh said:So the only reason you prefer the US dub is because you heard it first? It means that any dub you hear first becomes your favorite regardless of its quality, really a great point you have here dude. I don't think you need to say anything else, you summed it all up.
it seems to be exactly what you are doing.. oh wait...Aazealh said:No it's obviously not what I'm doing. And you're everything but a reference to me after your last statement.
maybe your taking what i said in an incorrect manner so let me rephrase what i said for you......Aazealh said:Provocative in being bold and saying the exact opposite of what I said while not having much of a point, digging a months old quote to uselessly reply to it. And you don't have any argument, that's what I referred to, not the thread itself. You like the voice actors more because you heard their voices first, that doesn't justify you saying the dub is superior to the original one when you yourself admit that you can't judge the acting since once the voices get "assigned" to characters in your mind it's for good.
well ill give you a little clue on what its notAazealh said:And what are your criterias for what you like and what you don't?
Aazealh said:When you hear it first basically, that's the funny part.
i do not fail. and it should not take away from my credibility, but you just contradicted yourself in that statement. if you respect my opinion why should i not be allowed to say "i believe the English dubs to be superior in every way" on the other hand i really do respect your opinion and since i do watch the anime annually i will watch it completely in Japanese and be objective of the English VA. and then i will be very honest, and voice my opinion ;)Aazealh said:Yeah well, you fail I think. No credibility like I said. I respect your opinion about what you like and what you don't, but don't come and tell me that the US Berserk dub is "superior in almost every aspect".
DarthVenom said:that can be due to the fact the i have watched the anime in English first. Also i have watched Berserk in both English and in Japanese, maybe not objectively, but i have watched both. like i said in my OPINION
DarthVenom said:i believe the voice acting done in the Berserk anime to be better in English. eventhough that in itself is an objective statement.
DarthVenom said:you yourself have made many. so if you are going to argue on the bassis of your opinion verses my opinion, no one will win this debate, and the thread should be considered completely useless.
DarthVenom said:i do enjoy and maybe i should watch the anime completely objectively in both languages, and maybe you might have to come to the realization that you might be too objective on this topic for some reason.
DarthVenom said:as for me saying that the English voice acting in berserk is "Superior in every aspect", how can you change my mind.
DarthVenom said:yes i have summed it all up. i have not watched the entire series and payed analytic and objective attention to the diffrent voice actors
DarthVenom said:it seems to be exactly what you are doing..
DarthVenom said:what are you using for reference?
DarthVenom said:maybe your taking what i said in an incorrect manner so let me rephrase what i said for you......
DarthVenom said:now i will stop speaking like a person that has no grip on the English language.
DarthVenom said:it has to do what i find appealing about the specific item. in this case it is the berserk anime. i find the story line to be amazing, eventhough the manga is far superior(and i know you'll even agree with me on this) the art work to be beautiful. the music to be amazing. and(i know your going to love this) the English voice actors to be great.
DarthVenom said:i do not fail.
DarthVenom said:you just contradicted yourself in that statement. if you respect my opinion why should i not be allowed to say "i believe the English dubs to be superior in every way"
Zelz said:You have to explain WHY it is your opinion not just because it is your opinion if you are going to argue about it to this degree, but really I think it is all preference, but now you have to ask yourself this IF you could understand Japanese and English fully (meaning without subtitles) and both at the same level which would you think you would like better?
i never tried to make it seem that i made a objective or subjective analysis based on any distinct criteria.Aazealh said:Yeah, your opinion is based on the fact you watched the show in English first. That's fine with me, but don't try to make it pass for something it isn't, i.e. a serious and objective analysis based on distinct criterias.You mean subjective? Just say that you like it better because it's in English. Because it's your native language. That's understandable.
it took you about an hourAazealh said:And it took you one hour and a half to post just to say that? Well, I did watch it like that, whether you doubt it or not isn't my concern.
Aazealh said:Well myself of course, as opposed to you using yourself as a reference, which is what you were saying in the first place. Why, should I use you as a reference when you proudly claim not to have paid attention to what we're talking about?
Nah, it's just that you don't express yourself correctly. But don't worry, I can still understand you nevertheless.
Good idea, I wish you'd have done that before you posted in this thread in the first place though.
Artwork in the Berserk anime is far from amazing IMO. Anyway, do you have any point besides repeating that your opinion has the right to exist because it's an opinion?
Oh yes you do.
You can like the US dub better just because it's in English, but you were trying to justify your opinion about superiority of the voice actors in every aspect, so I'd expect you to justify it seriously. Not just by saying that they're superior in your opinion. What's the reason they are? Just say you like it more because it's in your native language and it'll be fine. But if you're talking about every aspect, I want a detailed analysis, yes. Take responsibility for what you're saying.
You can't just talk about every way and say that it's based on nothing, it being your opinion, it's just too easy.
DarthVenom said:for you to repeatedly say, and for you to think the reason why i chose the English voice actors simply because my of native language is a ridiculous assumption. and, completely untrue i might add.
DarthVenom said:it took you about an hour
DarthVenom said:well after reading all of this all i have to say is this debate is completely pointless unless i broke down every single voice actor in both English & Japanese languages.
DarthVenom said:now we can go back to more pressing topics such as the next episode of berserk and when book number 30 will be realeased or even the berserk porn contest has more charm than this debate lmao.
Gaddes said:sorry about bring back touchy subject. oh well lets just let it go and like what we like. ^^
From listening to the outtakes, in the English dub, Adon's voice and Guts' voice sound like their done by the same guy.Zelz said:Other than Griffith's another voice I really like in the English version is Adon.
Aazealh said:Well then what is it? I was merely providing you with an easy escape route, as opposed to "It's superior because I heard it first", which is what is ridiculous here.
i remember, but i also said that i got caught up doing someting else while i was trying to reply. i believe i even apologized for how long it took me to reply.Aazealh said:I was in the chatroom for 20 minutes in your and CnC's company, then I went to eat, then I responded. You however were replying not a minute after I had posted, it shows in the Who's Online feature. If you just go by the time between two posts, I could say it took you 1h15 to write the last one... Whatever, and I replied to most of your long winded post in detail too, with proper spelling as a bonus. My point simply was that your post didn't add anything to the discussion even when you took more than an hour to write it, it's still true, and it doesn't mean I'm any better for wasting my time on this.
actually i have been re-watching the anime in Japanese, and i must say i went into it completely looking to have a lot of bad to say about the Japanese VA, and i have to say i don't really have to many complaints. i still have to say i enjoy the English version more. so i ask you this how would you want me to back up my affirmations; i could give you a brief history on the VA's past works if you would like? but then again it would be a matter of opinionAazealh said:Just those from the Berserk anime would suffice. I guess that means you won't watch both versions attentively nor try to back up your affirmations. How convenient. But I can only agree about the uselessness.
come on, you cant tell me you don't want the 30th issue already. oh and i know this is off topic but i went to go and pick up an issue of YA for about $4-5 and the last one was sold out? to make matters worse a few of the Japanese books stores are no longer carrying it, which i have no idea whyAazealh said:Spend some time reading the copy of volume 29 I'm sure you've bought already, then we'll talk about volume 30 (release: first semester 2006).
Gaddes said:sorry about bring back touchy subject. oh well lets just let it go and like what we like. ^^ again sorry about bring such an old topic back up.
Aazealh said:Heated discussions bring life to a forum.
DarthVenom said:I never said it was superior because I seen it in English first. I was merely making the point of there is a possibility of certain people enjoying it in the language they have heard it in first. So I never said “It's superior because I heard it first” you have basically just said that.
DarthVenom said:IMO i think the English voice actors are far Superior in almost every aspect when it comes to the Berserk anime [...] this goes back to the theory of, "what language was the first you watched the entire series in?"
DarthVenom said:i think it does make a world of difference, because a specific voice gets assigned to a specific character(if you would like me to give a deeper explanation on this point just ask). And, if i was to have watched the anime in Japanese then the Japanese voice actors would be recognized as the characters voices, and nothing else.
DarthVenom said:what did i spell wrong? i remember using spell check
DarthVenom said:so i ask you this how would you want me to back up my affirmations; i could give you a brief history on the VA's past works if you would like?
DarthVenom said:but then again it would be a matter of opinion
DarthVenom said:come on, you cant tell me you don't want the 30th issue already.