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While I searched, and found a number of threads about apostles, I didn't see any quite on this topic, and wanted to see if anyone had some thoughts on this.
This is basically a two part question/theory.
What determines the type of apostle someone becomes? During the eclipse we see all sorts of (lower?) apostles with random mishapen forms. Then we have what I'm assuming are "middle class" apostles. Like the Snail Count, Wyald, and so forth. Now to the subject of this thread. What determines this form? (Rochine) accordding to my memory of teh translation i read got her form specifically for wishing to be an elf9apostle). So i dont question her. But the count for example. You think when he made the sacrifice he said "hey, btw, can you make me a snail demon?"
I'm leaning towards the transformation being a product of the person's Od. I get this impression from the way it shaped the Berserker Armor, for skully, then to Guts. Since it took such varied form with them, i wonder if the apostles change in this way.
I don't think it has to do with how much one sacrifices. From the get go, you have to sacrifice what you care about most. I'm pretty sure everyone who sacrifices takes a pretty profound personal loss, so it's not a matter of giving up more.
There is the matter of the person being at a certain level of power/strength at the time of the transformation. But Rochine was a little girl. Wyald an old man(presumably he didn't age "inside" of his apostle form), the count was...well..a count. I don't recall seeing any other distinct transformations back to an original form in the series. But in any case, at least for apostles of this level that doesn't seem to matter much. They all definately seemed to be a lot stronger than the eclipse than general 'apostle hawk soldiers".
So, what do you think determines their form/the powers a form has? For example, some apostles were able to pass on some of their power to another to make a quasi-apostle(ie snail count). Others just had tremendous strength(Wyald, though they're all pretty strong I'd say) flight(Rochine) and such.
The second part of this thread is an apostle hierarchy. Here's my theory, any comments?
The lowest class of apostle, the general beasts at the eclipse that are just random mishapen monsters.(I think some of the quasi apostles are actually stronger than many in this group?)
The next level take on the appearance of animals. Wyald, the Goat(Is he a full out apostle or Quasi?) The Snail Count, The Snake Baron.... This is my middle class, a smaller in number group.
Then we have the upperclass. Zodd, Locus, Grunbeld, taking on the shape of mythological beasts.
Then, finally, the UP UP UPPER class, the more nature based Apostle such as Ganishka. While there is speculation that he reached this by having a great knowledge of magic before his transformation to enhance his power. (Perhaps like Flora's level if she became an Apostle?)
Any thoughts on the hierarchy, how you get in what position, if it's likely, can you be moved up or down?
I tried not to jump around too much. Tried to be as descriptive with my theories as possible. I look forward to hear what your thoughts are.
While I searched, and found a number of threads about apostles, I didn't see any quite on this topic, and wanted to see if anyone had some thoughts on this.
This is basically a two part question/theory.
What determines the type of apostle someone becomes? During the eclipse we see all sorts of (lower?) apostles with random mishapen forms. Then we have what I'm assuming are "middle class" apostles. Like the Snail Count, Wyald, and so forth. Now to the subject of this thread. What determines this form? (Rochine) accordding to my memory of teh translation i read got her form specifically for wishing to be an elf9apostle). So i dont question her. But the count for example. You think when he made the sacrifice he said "hey, btw, can you make me a snail demon?"
I'm leaning towards the transformation being a product of the person's Od. I get this impression from the way it shaped the Berserker Armor, for skully, then to Guts. Since it took such varied form with them, i wonder if the apostles change in this way.
I don't think it has to do with how much one sacrifices. From the get go, you have to sacrifice what you care about most. I'm pretty sure everyone who sacrifices takes a pretty profound personal loss, so it's not a matter of giving up more.
There is the matter of the person being at a certain level of power/strength at the time of the transformation. But Rochine was a little girl. Wyald an old man(presumably he didn't age "inside" of his apostle form), the count was...well..a count. I don't recall seeing any other distinct transformations back to an original form in the series. But in any case, at least for apostles of this level that doesn't seem to matter much. They all definately seemed to be a lot stronger than the eclipse than general 'apostle hawk soldiers".
So, what do you think determines their form/the powers a form has? For example, some apostles were able to pass on some of their power to another to make a quasi-apostle(ie snail count). Others just had tremendous strength(Wyald, though they're all pretty strong I'd say) flight(Rochine) and such.
The second part of this thread is an apostle hierarchy. Here's my theory, any comments?
The lowest class of apostle, the general beasts at the eclipse that are just random mishapen monsters.(I think some of the quasi apostles are actually stronger than many in this group?)
The next level take on the appearance of animals. Wyald, the Goat(Is he a full out apostle or Quasi?) The Snail Count, The Snake Baron.... This is my middle class, a smaller in number group.
Then we have the upperclass. Zodd, Locus, Grunbeld, taking on the shape of mythological beasts.
Then, finally, the UP UP UPPER class, the more nature based Apostle such as Ganishka. While there is speculation that he reached this by having a great knowledge of magic before his transformation to enhance his power. (Perhaps like Flora's level if she became an Apostle?)
Any thoughts on the hierarchy, how you get in what position, if it's likely, can you be moved up or down?
I tried not to jump around too much. Tried to be as descriptive with my theories as possible. I look forward to hear what your thoughts are.