My take on 1000 years ago.

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Personaly, I believe that when Griffith reincarnated himself into a human body, it was the first time that it ever happened. When the Skull Knight says that it can only occur once every 1000 years, he means that when the force field of evil thoughts cannot take human body in this world execept then the force field is so big that it crosses to the other world. I know this a bad wording and explanation because my book is in french and I retranslated it in english to explain my point. My point is it is not a law that it will happen every 1000 years, it is a law that it can only happen every 1000 years.

Also speaking of the part in volume 10 where they speak of Gaiseric, they say he conquered the land over 1000 years ago, and then Judo says it reminded him of the tale of the skeleton king. These are 2 different stories, that Gaiseric conquered and unified the land 1000 years ago is a fact. That his empire was destroyed 1000 years ago isnt, it's an assumption based on the fact that the skull that were branded were done 1000 years ago during the first reincarnation.

My view of the story is that Gaiseric came from Elfhelm, or any other secret island. He conquered and unified the land over a 1000 years ago, formed an empire that was prosperous for 134 years (more or less, always) before something happened. The birth of the Wiseman as Void, that started it all. Those 134 years under the reign of Gaiseric would have been the making of Idea. As for the wiseman, they say he called the sins of Gaieric in the tower of albion until one angel came to take him. The tale of the skeleton king is that his capital was destroyed by 4/5 angels sent by god. the 4/5 angels are not the Godhand, it seems widely accepted that they are the 4 summoned elemental king. A good call, but I would also believe that it might be the first apostles. as for the body below midland that are branded, they were branded by Void after he was taken by "an angel" in the tower of albion. (Where he became Void.) Why people were branded in old midland is because of Void making an offer to recent apostles, or, Void sacrificed the capital (He might have loved and helped build?) to become a god hand. But I doubt the first godhand had to make a sacrifice, because nobody would have been there to brand them ( probably not Idea).

This is my humble taking on what happened 1000 years ago, I try to keep it simple and not believe that there were a previous set of godhand and stuff like that. Zodd was not Gaiseric and such. Skull knight is Gaiseric and as to who he is, guts or griffith? The way I see it, if it is a spiral, then Gaiseric the conqueror (Griffith) and the Wiseman (guts) knew each other, and Gaiseric (Griffith) Got betrayed by The Wiseman (Guts) and elevated to godhand by sacrificing Gaiseric and his capital. The story 864 years later was different, Griffith (Gaiseric) betrayed guts (Wiseman) the role were exchanged. Spiral indeed. I do believe Gaiseric the Skull Knight is branded. This what I had to say for now, thank you all for accepting me in your community. Sorry for the wall of text.
 

Aazealh

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Hi Uthanak, welcome to SK.net. I'll comment a bit on what you said if you don't mind.

Uthanak said:
My point is it is not a law that it will happen every 1000 years, it is a law that it can only happen every 1000 years.

We've always known the meaning of what SK said. It can indeed only happen once in a thousand years. However, by itself that certainly doesn't imply or prove that it's never happened before.

Uthanak said:
Also speaking of the part in volume 10 where they speak of Gaiseric, they say he conquered the land over 1000 years ago, and then Judo says it reminded him of the tale of the skeleton king. These are 2 different stories, that Gaiseric conquered and unified the land 1000 years ago is a fact. That his empire was destroyed 1000 years ago isnt, it's an assumption based on the fact that the skull that were branded were done 1000 years ago during the first reincarnation.

No, you're mistaken, this is only one story. Judo merely says he remembers having heard the tale before. It's one tale, and you have no other source than the tale to base your speculation on. You can't tell what is fact and what isn't just like that. Also, it's not Gaiseric's empire that was destroyed but the capital of his empire. Furthermore, there really aren't many doubts that it was indeed destroyed.

Uthanak said:
My view of the story is that Gaiseric came from Elfhelm, or any other secret island.

Why from a secret place? There's no reason to think so. It's not surprising that there's no record left of Gaiseric's life before he became well-known on the battlefield, in fact it seems quite normal.

Uthanak said:
He conquered and unified the land over a 1000 years ago, formed an empire that was prosperous for 134 years (more or less, always) before something happened.

So he lived for over 150 years just like that, no explanation?

Uthanak said:
The birth of the Wiseman as Void, that started it all. Those 134 years under the reign of Gaiseric would have been the making of Idea. As for the wiseman, they say he called the sins of Gaieric in the tower of albion until one angel came to take him.

Here however you're mixing two stories together when you should be more careful. First off we have no temporal indication regarding the time the event with the wiseman happened. Second, 134 years seems pretty short for the creation of a God. It takes 216 years to make a member of the God Hand, but 134 for the Idea of Evil? Sounds a little far-fetched to me. And by the way, who was that "angel" that came to the wiseman, since there was no God Hand at the time?

Uthanak said:
The tale of the skeleton king is that his capital was destroyed by 4/5 angels sent by god. the 4/5 angels are not the Godhand, it seems widely accepted that they are the 4 summoned elemental king. A good call, but I would also believe that it might be the first apostles.

Widely accepted? I don't think so. It's a possibility, but it's not widely accepted at all, and in fact there are problems with this theory. For example, who would have summoned the Elemental Kings to do this and why? Would the Elemental Kings have done it? Could they have done it? And if they did, why are there branded corpses at the bottom of the Tower of Rebirth? Now concerning your idea that it could be apostles. Four or five apostles destroying an entire city in a single night? That's a lot for so few of them, especially since during those times people were used to war. And who created those apostles and got them to fight together when their motto is "do as you will"? Why didn't they eat the branded people at the bottom of the tower? How were those people even branded anyway?

Uthanak said:
as for the body below midland that are branded, they were branded by Void after he was taken by "an angel" in the tower of albion. (Where he became Void.) Why people were branded in old midland is because of Void making an offer to recent apostles, or, Void sacrificed the capital (He might have loved and helped build?) to become a god hand. But I doubt the first godhand had to make a sacrifice, because nobody would have been there to brand them ( probably not Idea).

So wait a minute, who's that mysterious angel? And why did Void brand those people when the Elemental Kings were destroying the city? Or were they just apostles? Then how did Void manage to create 5 apostles in a night, at the same place, and have them do his bidding? How could he brand so many people at once? And how could several apostles survive to the magic that seemed to have been prevalent at the time? Flora knew SK when he was still human, if you assume he's Gaiseric, then why couldn't she blast those apostles off? Also why didn't those apostles eat the sacrifices, since they were the result of an offer from Void? I wonder how the wiseman could have sacrificed the capital while being far away, locked up in Albion. On a side note, the Idea of Evil can't move from the place it resides in as far as we know. There are more questions and things to point out, but I think it's enough for now.

Uthanak said:
Skull knight is Gaiseric and as to who he is, guts or griffith? The way I see it, if it is a spiral, then Gaiseric the conqueror (Griffith) and the Wiseman (guts) knew each other, and Gaiseric (Griffith) Got betrayed by The Wiseman (Guts) and elevated to godhand by sacrificing Gaiseric and his capital.

That's a good way to think of it, one that I think is widely accepted. :guts: However, Gaiseric doesn't have to necessarily be either like Guts or like Griffith...
 
Good that you people know that, before posting this I read every thread about skullknight and Gaiseric I could find and th majority of people did not actualy speak as if they knew what SK sais about the 1000years thing. Some people were thinking he said it happens every 1000 years suggesting it is the fact he knew it happened 1000 years ago. I was saying this to prove it does not necessarily have to have happened 1000 years ago for the story to make sense.

As for the tale, I read the french Dark Horse comic release, so it'S japanese translated to english translated to french. In my book they speak like if there is 2 stories. The tale of the destruction of the capital, and the story of Gaiseric unifying the land 1000 year ago which is a fact. But then again nowhere in the book does it say the capital was destroyed 1000 years ago. What I generaly realised from reading everything about Gaiseric on this speculation board is that void beeing born 864 years ago is widely accepted but people think the capital was destroyed during a reincarnation festival (Or whatever it'S called in the english translation) because of the branded bodies. The problem is that if void was born as the first godhand like the author said in a interview, and if he was born 864 years ago, then here is a problem with branded bodies over 1000 years ago. So I offer this plausible alternative, the empire lasted for atleast 136 years before something happened to the capital.

As for me suggesting he came from elfhelm, it's because most people on these boards want to believe he was a reincarnated godhand or some such. Because they actualy don't know where he came from. Personaly I believe where he came from is non factor to the story or what happened 1000 years ago (Unless the author wants to make something big out of it.) but I threw this idea out there to suggest alternative and since puck said he had an elven aura...

As for him living 150 years, do you really need an explanation for that? Cause if that was the truth in the story and the author had to find a reason he could easily pull one out of his arse that would really be accepted by everyone. But we dont know if he is human and the witch did live for longer then 150 years. Or he might have a sacred ring that makes him live longer. Thats also non factor to the story, afterall, SK is still alive.

I have no idea who was the angel that took the wiseman, but that is what Mozguz said, I think the important thing here is the #1. 1 angel took him, not 4/5, 1. Who was that angel? You tell me, im not Berserk specialist. As for idea beeing made in 134 years, yes maybe it takes longer maybe not, if it does, it took longer, maybe even before the land was unified, that is still something I consider non factor. If it took 500 years it did, that wont change much to the story itself. As for having no god at the time, who knows? Not you, thats for sure. An angel took him, thats what is known now by Mozguz. It is an important puzzle, but we cannot really solve it yet.

Who would have summoned the elemental kings and why? That is aslso something that if the author crapped some answer for you, anything, you would accept it. Why? To destroy the capital most likely. Who? We don't know. It would be important to know if it was the case, but not vital for the understanding of what happened 1000 years ago. (Again, unless the author wanted to add shock value.)
As for the first apostles, why did they not eat the branded corpses? Is that really important? Again something the author can easily find an answer to. Zodd does not eat branded corpse as far as we know. Im thinking older and stronger apostles here, Like Garunberg. In his apostle form, he his quite something I would expect to destroy a capital by himself, imagine 4/5 like him. Those apostles would have executed Void's order. The corpse were branded by Void.

Who what where when why? You ask alot of questions for things that first, nobody knows, and second, the author could easily answer them without modifying the story. I wont take the time to give you ideas of what I think, because I do not think it is important why those thing happened. Besides we are going to know the full story when guts and crew meet SK in elfhelm. Yes, that's a spoiler.



"That's a good way to think of it, one that I think is widely accepted. Guts However, Gaiseric doesn't have to necessarily be either like Guts or like Griffith..." I know, but these questions came alot when I was looking at all the threads, this is the way I see for those who really want to know an think about it.
 
You make a lot of assumptions and for a lot of non-sequitors, in the end you say "the author can make something up", and "we don't know anything", which the latter is pretty much what Aaz said.

And no, the guts and crew going to elfhelm is not a spoiler.
 

Aazealh

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You know Uthanak, your answers seem a little too disdainful considering what you're saying here. I think it wouldn't hurt to show more consideration when people take the time to reply to you.

Uthanak said:
Good that you people know that, before posting this I read every thread about skullknight and Gaiseric I could find and th majority of people did not actualy speak as if they knew what SK sais about the 1000years thing.

To be honest I think you're mistaken here and that most people know about this.

Uthanak said:
As for the tale, I read the french Dark Horse comic release, so it'S japanese translated to english translated to french. In my book they speak like if there is 2 stories.

I didn't know Dark Horse edited a French version, must be quite the read. Anyway, I'm sorry but your book is wrong about this, and you must realize it isn't very reliable if you're telling me it uses a second-hand translation.

Uthanak said:
But then again nowhere in the book does it say the capital was destroyed 1000 years ago.

But Charlotte says it happened around a thousand years ago.

Uthanak said:
The problem is that if void was born as the first godhand like the author said in a interview

In what interview did he say so? Because I don't remember reading it.

Uthanak said:
As for me suggesting he came from elfhelm, it's because most people on these boards want to believe he was a reincarnated godhand or some such.

You're wrong, most people on these boards don't believe this anymore and haven't for years. I suggest you stop making broad assumptions about other people to try to justify your assertions. And anyway, a member of the God Hand coming from Elfhelm? What kind of bizarro logic is this?

Uthanak said:
Personaly I believe where he came from is non factor to the story or what happened 1000 years ago (Unless the author wants to make something big out of it.) but I threw this idea out there to suggest alternative and since puck said he had an elven aura...

Yeah where he was born doesn't seem very important in regard to his empire, but then again you're the one that mentioned it. Anyway, if he really was an ex-member of the God Hand or something equally unlikely it's extremely doubtful he'd have an elven aura.

Uthanak said:
As for him living 150 years, do you really need an explanation for that? Cause if that was the truth in the story and the author had to find a reason he could easily pull one out of his arse that would really be accepted by everyone.

Well yes, yes I sure as hell do need one. The author hasn't "pulled one out of his ass" but you certainly are right now. It IS an important factor to the story and you're not providing a very good hypothesis for it. SK lived long, but that's because he's not human anymore. Before he underwent some drastic changes he must have had an average lifespan.

Uthanak said:
I have no idea who was the angel that took the wiseman, but that is what Mozguz said, I think the important thing here is the #1. 1 angel took him, not 4/5, 1.

Actually, I'm sorry to say so but since it's Japanese, the number can't really be determined like this. We don't know for sure how many "angels" there were.

Uthanak said:
Who was that angel? You tell me, im not Berserk specialist.

I noticed that, but my point was that it's a hole in your theory because nothing that we know of really fits the part.

Uthanak said:
As for idea beeing made in 134 years, yes maybe it takes longer maybe not, if it does, it took longer, maybe even before the land was unified, that is still something I consider non factor.

Sadly it's a factor in your theory, whether you consider it like one or not. You can't make a plausible theory if it doesn't respect the story as we know it.

Uthanak said:
As for having no god at the time, who knows? Not you, thats for sure. An angel took him, thats what is known now by Mozguz. It is an important puzzle, but we cannot really solve it yet.

You're the one that said there wasn't a God Hand at the time, so calm down and maybe try to avoid contradicting yourself too much, alright? Besides, Mozgus is an unreliable narrator, and since we can't solve the mystery like you justly said, why do you use it to construct a theory as if it was sure and reliable in any way?

Uthanak said:
Who would have summoned the elemental kings and why? That is aslso something that if the author crapped some answer for you, anything, you would accept it. Why? To destroy the capital most likely. Who? We don't know. It would be important to know if it was the case, but not vital for the understanding of what happened 1000 years ago.

I'd appreciate if you would show some respect for the author and stop trying to find lame excuses for your own lack of sensible answers. Why would the Elemental Kings want to destroy the capital, and why would someone want them to? I believe it is vital in understanding what happened a thousand years ago (didn't you say you believed it was 864 years though?).

Uthanak said:
As for the first apostles, why did they not eat the branded corpses? Is that really important?

About as much as the rest of what's in your theory.

Uthanak said:
Who what where when why? You ask alot of questions for things that first, nobody knows, and second, the author could easily answer them without modifying the story.

And that's precisely because you don't know the questions and can't back up any of your assumptions that your theory isn't acceptable (or even new). The author could only answer them by shining light on unknown events and introducing new variables, that once again we don't know about. I'm sorry man, I just don't think what you're saying is very believable.

Uthanak said:
Besides we are going to know the full story when guts and crew meet SK in elfhelm. Yes, that's a spoiler.

You have no way to know whether the full story will be revealed in Elfhelm or not.
 
Your "sarcasm" isn't helping your case at all, Uthanak, and since you can't give a straight answer and all you say is "well it's the only translation I have, hurf durf" I suggest you quiet down for a bit and think. It's alright to speculate, but making claims and not supporting them with reliable facts and arguments (Exact quote, page and volume? Links to interviews? Not contradicting what you said earlier?) really negates anything you have to say on the subject.

And what's up with this Dark Horse French edition existing/non-existant deal? Can we get some more clarification (sorry jackson, I know you mentioned it, but I would like some more info on this so Uthanak doesn't keep rambling).
 
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