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Their names
« on: December 29, 2001, 07:28:24 AM »
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I want to know about each character's name in detail.
A few month ago,I looked up "Pippin" in a dictionary which saying like this;

1) Any of several varieties of apple
2) The seed of a fleshy fruit; a pip
3) Informal: A person or thing that is admired

very interesting thing to me!
Is Pippin an English name?

and let me know whatever you know about their names.
but no more Guts!  ;D

bytheway) Why on earth everything draws my curiosity?
I do know I'm the one who makes too many threads but I can't help it.
I can't resist my endless, abundant, overflowing curiosity.
That's all.



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Re: their names
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2001, 09:25:08 AM »
Pippen could also be an allusion to Lord of the Rings, since apparently, Miura is a big sci-fi/fantasy buff.
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« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2001, 12:09:03 PM »
Don t know if there is a clue or not!?
there is an elf called Puck in Shakespeares
"Ein Sommernachtstraum"

???

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« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2001, 12:24:02 PM »
well concerning the name of Griffith,there are a few quite interesting associations:

griffin 1: neuankömling or rookie,greenhorn

griffin 2: Greif , kind of a bird(resembles hawk)

griffon: weißköpfiger geier,whiteheaded bird

grifter: gauner,bad ass

grief:kummer, schmerz,pain, sorrow,bring to grief,come to grief

grieve:betrügen,to cheat

grievous:schmerzlich,painful

however i am on the right path or not,i find it very intresting what words that are resembling to griffith mean or represent!
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Re: their names
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2001, 03:11:08 PM »
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Don t know if there is a clue or not!?
there is an elf called Puck in Shakespeares
"Ein Sommernachtstraum"

???



"A midsummer night's dream" oh, I always think Pucks in the both are almost same.
"Ein Sommernachtstraum" is the title of Felix Mendelssohn's famous music, too.(Wedding March comes from it)

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grifter: gauner,bad ass

ho! bad ass!
and "grifters" is a title of movie, too.
by Stephen Priers(damn spelling)  where Angelica Houston, John Cousack and Annette Benning played. they were real bad-asses!! ;D

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Re: their names
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2001, 03:36:00 AM »
I'd like to aim the interest to Puck, the little elf.
Actually, his ( I dont like its for him  :P ) name come from welsh fairy tale Pwca'r Trwyn. I think, indeed, Miura well-adaptated him for berserk. He hept his crazy behavior ....
I advise all of you to read the tale at http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/wfb/wfb66.htm
Bucheddwch Pwca ! :D

I was also thinking of Godo the great blacksmith
Is he linked to the celtic blacksmith gods Goibnu ( irish ) and Gofannon ( welsh ) ?
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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2001, 03:41:52 AM »

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I'd like to aim the interest to Puck, the little elf.
Actually, his ( I dont like its for him  :P ) name come from welsh fairy tale Pwca'r Trwyn. I think, indeed, Miura well-adaptated him for berserk. He hept his crazy behavior ....
I advise all of you to read the tale at http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/wfb/wfb66.htm
Bucheddwch Pwca ! :D

I was also thinking of Godo the great blacksmith
Is he linked to the celtic blacksmith gods Goibnu ( irish ) and Gofannon ( welsh ) ?


Quite a good tip!! interesting.
anybody who knows if Serpico and Farnese are Italian name?
I searched internet and found Serpico is a name of Italian Mafia.
and I do want to know about Corkus.

anybody who has ever heard of female name Casca?
Casca is not very familiar with me. ::)
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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2001, 05:38:01 AM »
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anybody who knows if Serpico and Farnese are Italian name?
I searched internet and found Serpico is a name of Italian Mafia.


Actually, Frank Serpico was an Italo-American policemen that denounced corruption and abuses in NYC police in the
' 60, if I'm not wrong. Sidney Lumet made out a film ("Serpico") from his life, with Al Pacino in the main role .
' Farnese ' , instead, was the name of an Italian ducal family that was at its climax during the XVI century. Its most famous members were Giulia Farnese (the "most beautiful" woman in Rome at that time, that people nicknamed "God's Bride"  referring maliciously at her lust),
Paolo III Farnese (the pope that reorganized the Inquisition and promoted the Council of Trent and the Counter-Reform against protestants) and Alessandro Farnese (that was a brilliant diplomat and commander and leaded the catholic army in the Netherlands war).
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Re: their names
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2002, 02:44:55 AM »
I got an idea about Snake Baron

Maybe is he a baron with snake-like's form ? :o

More seriously, the origin of Pippin could be frenchy...
A king of franks who's name was Pépin le Bref ( 751 ) he was the son of Charles Martel , father of Charlemagne , grand-father of Pépin king of Italy an Carloman. With him began the dynasty of the Pippinides.
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Re: their names
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2002, 06:55:09 AM »
Me again  ;D
I'm on Tudor/Tuda/Chuda empire ( you know how Japanese is hard to retranscript in romaji ) If i'm not mistaken, it's an empire from east, i'd place him more around Jerusalem ( without any relation with christianity ) :
The kingdom of Juda ( 931 - 587 BC ) is constitued of tribes from south of Palestinia, it's a rival of the Kingdom of Israel against which it fought endlessly.
I also have a clue for Kushan empire :
There's an empire called Kusana ( 1st - 2d century AC ) , created by the kusana  :D some nomads from central Asia, in Kaboul's region and in India ( what explain the dusky skin of Sillat )
'hope you'll enjoy it !
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Re: their names
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2002, 07:27:43 AM »
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I'm on Tudor/Tuda/Chuda empire ( you know how Japanese is hard to retranscript in romaji ) If i'm not mistaken, it's an empire from east, i'd place him more around Jerusalem ( without any relation with christianity ) :
The kingdom of Juda ( 931 - 587 BC ) is constitued of tribes from south of Palestinia, it's a rival of the Kingdom of Israel against which it fought endlessly.

No, I guess it's probably just "Tudor". "Tudor" is written "chu-da-" in Japanese, exactly like in Berserk.
Maybe Tudor was England and Midland was France? ^_^;;
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I also have a clue for Kushan empire :
There's an empire called Kusana

... also called the "Kushan empire". Yeah, we knew that. ^_^;
That's the reason why I chose that spelling for "kusha-n", actually.
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Re: their names
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2002, 07:52:20 AM »
I got a thing 'bout Griff
It's welsh's originated :

In 1255, Llywelyn ap Gruffydd defeated his brothers Owain (d.1282) and Dafydd (d.1283), in battle at Bryn Derwin. Owain was imprisoned, and Llywelyn set about reasserting the authority of Gwynedd and thereafter extending it into a supremacy over much of the rest of Wales. In 1267 his position as overlord was recognized by Henry III in the Treaty of Montgomery when the English king accepted Llywelyn's homage as prince of Wales.

"Fe demptiodd ffawd ymhellach drwy drefnu i briodi Eleanor, merch y barwn gwrthryfelgar, Simon de Montfort, gweithred a oedd i brofi amynedd Edward i'r eithaf. "in english :
He tempted fate further by arranging to marry Eleanor, daughter of rebel baron Simon de Montfort, an act destined to strain Edward's patience to the limit.

Enough was enough, and in 1276-77 Edward had decided to settle accounts with the recalcitrant Welsh prince. Edward himself took the field at Chester in July 1277, and by August he had some 15,600 troops in his pay. Against these odds, Llywelyn had no choice but to sue for peace. The ensuing Treaty of Aberconwy represented a comprehensive humiliation for the prince of Wales. Stripped of his overlordship he had won ten years earlier, Gwynedd was again reduced to its traditional heartland to the west of the River Conwy.

He has been murdered the 11 December 1281

Isn't it kinda similar to our lil Griff ? ::)


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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2002, 09:07:36 AM »

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I got a thing 'bout Griff
It's welsh's originated :

In 1255, Llywelyn ap Gruffydd defeated his brothers Owain (d.1282) and Dafydd (d.1283), in battle at Bryn Derwin. Owain was imprisoned, and Llywelyn set about reasserting the authority of Gwynedd and thereafter extending it into a supremacy over much of the rest of Wales. In 1267 his position as overlord was recognized by Henry III in the Treaty of Montgomery when the English king accepted Llywelyn's homage as prince of Wales.

"Fe demptiodd ffawd ymhellach drwy drefnu i briodi Eleanor, merch y barwn gwrthryfelgar, Simon de Montfort, gweithred a oedd i brofi amynedd Edward i'r eithaf. "in english :
He tempted fate further by arranging to marry Eleanor, daughter of rebel baron Simon de Montfort, an act destined to strain Edward's patience to the limit.

Enough was enough, and in 1276-77 Edward had decided to settle accounts with the recalcitrant Welsh prince. Edward himself took the field at Chester in July 1277, and by August he had some 15,600 troops in his pay. Against these odds, Llywelyn had no choice but to sue for peace. The ensuing Treaty of Aberconwy represented a comprehensive humiliation for the prince of Wales. Stripped of his overlordship he had won ten years earlier, Gwynedd was again reduced to its traditional heartland to the west of the River Conwy.

He has been murdered the 11 December 1281

Isn't it kinda similar to our lil Griff ? ::)





I knew that  ::)
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Re: their names
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2002, 09:28:55 AM »
That makes we're at least 2 to know it , others know it too?
i'd like to recieve any comments....

(but if you all guys knew already :-/
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« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2002, 09:40:50 AM »

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I got an idea about Snake Baron

Maybe is he a baron with snake-like's form ? :o


quite a nice attempt! :'(
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« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2002, 10:03:49 AM »
That part was just a joke ( i thought it was understandable :-*)
If I were you, I'll reply 'bout what I wrote more seriously  :P
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« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2002, 10:07:33 AM »
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That part was just a joke ( i thought it was understandable)

well i was just reffering to that"joke"!(i thought it was understandable)
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If I were you, I'll reply 'bout what I wrote more seriously  

well i will! but somehow i think: what i reply to ur posts depends on what u write!
if u hit a bad joke don t expect to get laugh, greetings,smileys or even serious reactions.
so far u r doing a good job and most of ur posts show knowledge interest and passion.
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« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2002, 10:13:31 AM »
don't you read my posts about Pippin, empires and Griffith?

No offense ( maybe you knew all of that stuff already , am i right? )
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« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2002, 10:24:56 AM »
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don't you read my posts about Pippin, empires and Griffith?

No offense ( maybe you knew all of that stuff already , am i right? )

modified my post above ,see!

i like them! :)
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« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2002, 10:32:38 AM »
thanx


I got another one : In the game, there's bad count's name Balzac, the same as the illustre french writer Honoré de Balzac ( has anybody read Eugénie Grandet ?)

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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2002, 10:21:47 AM »
mmm...

i was thinking of Grundbeld, could he be linked to the arthurian Gundebald ? : feared as a powerful King of the land from which no-one would return alive...

i have a thought about griffith too .Everybody knows that he is the hawk : a bird of the Sun and therefore associated with the Sun Gods, a royal bird to many ancient societies and one that signifies the gift of prophecy. In Greek mythology the hawk was the messenger of 'Apollo' , in ancient Egypt with Ra and Horus and of the Great Mother Amenti.
i would like to notice that the arthur's nephew Gawain is a welshman named originally Gwalchmai which means "the hawk of may "
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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2002, 06:28:25 PM »
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mmm...

i was thinking of Grundbeld, could he be linked to the arthurian Gundebald ? : feared as a powerful King of the land from which no-one would return alive...

i have a thought about griffith too .Everybody knows that he is the hawk : a bird of the Sun and therefore associated with the Sun Gods, a royal bird to many ancient societies and one that signifies the gift of prophecy. In Greek mythology the hawk was the messenger of 'Apollo' , in ancient Egypt with Ra and Horus and of the Great Mother Amenti.
i would like to notice that the arthur's nephew Gawain is a welshman named originally Gwalchmai which means "the hawk of may "

Ohhhhh, both are quite good thoughts. 8)

as for Griffith, emmmmm he reminds me of this character



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in ancient Egypt with Ra

you'd better ask Rufus about this because he's "Ra" specialist. ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2002, 10:36:49 AM »
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Ohhhhh, both are quite good thoughts. 8)

as for Griffith, emmmmm he reminds me of this character
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:'(- sniff -sigh- someone still remembers my lost love ??? !?! Griffith !?!  ??? >:(  DON'T DARE COMPARE HER TO GRIFFITH    >:(
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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2002, 02:55:36 AM »
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you'd better ask Rufus about this because he's "Ra" specialist.


ok, anyway my speciality is welsh mythology as you have been able to dicover

oh ! just thinking of a similitude of Slann and one mother-godess called Ceridwen, for the cauldron though Ceridwen's is a wise-giver one ... what am i talkin' about ? :-[
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« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2002, 04:27:28 AM »
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ok, anyway my speciality is welsh mythology as you have been able to dicover

oh ! just thinking of a similitude of Slann and one mother-godess called Ceridwen, for the cauldron though Ceridwen's is a wise-giver one ... what am i talkin' about ? :-[

what do you mean?
you mean the name of Slann relating to Ceridwen or Slann herself ?

I love mythology very much! :D
but I don't know much about saga or Welsh mythology. :-X
It would be good if many kinds of myths are compared to Berserk's characters.

Slann? Oh, Lliug, could you tell us your Welsh myth(especially relating to Salnn) more fully?
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