Facing sentence of 20 years by owning manga
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smoke
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These perverted drawings are exploiting the innocence of these fictional characters.
How can these nonexistent people ever recover from the trauma of being drawn nekkid?
How can these nonexistent people ever recover from the trauma of being drawn nekkid?
BiQ_
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This certainly puts volume four into somewhat interesting position. Volume six too, if appearance of drawn tits of twelve(?)-something girl is no-no. And if we want to start splitting hairs, do we really know both of the hot warrior lovers 
are 18+ at the end of vol nine? (yeah, Berserk timeline gives Guts' age as 19 there, what about Casca... OMG DID GUTS HIT A JAILBAIT?!?! 
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Yeah yeah, I know it's quite possible that the "questionable" manga was some sicker toddler-loli-hentai, but it is still drawn images. (Unless of course it was known that there had been live models while drawing it, which I honestly dare suspect to not be the case.)
are 18+ at the end of vol nine? (yeah, Berserk timeline gives Guts' age as 19 there, what about Casca... OMG DID GUTS HIT A JAILBAIT?!?! )Yeah yeah, I know it's quite possible that the "questionable" manga was some sicker toddler-loli-hentai, but it is still drawn images. (Unless of course it was known that there had been live models while drawing it, which I honestly dare suspect to not be the case.)
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Xem
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BiQ-- said:This certainly puts volume four into somewhat interesting position. Volume six too, if appearance of drawn tits of twelve(?)-something girl is no-no. And if we want to start splitting hairs, do we really know both of the hot warrior lovers
Yeah yeah, I know it's quite possible that the "questionable" manga was some sicker toddler-loli-hentai, but it is still drawn images. (Unless of course it was known that there had been live models while drawing it, which I honestly dare suspect to not be the case.)
The laws of what is obscene and what aren't have a lot to do with how the images are depicted. If they serve a valid political view, for example, then it's technically not obscene and therefore usually isn't deemed illegal.
The problem with what you say BiQ-- is the definition of obscenity. The reason Berserk has no problems is because the scenes you mention are clearly not obscene by the current standards the government uses, and possess a "serious literary value" in the context of the story. It's a slippery slope, I won't deny it, but I imagine those incriminated manga are precisely of the toddler-tentacle-porn genre.
EDIT: Arg, beaten by Deci!
EDIT: Arg, beaten by Deci!
Lithrael
Remember, always hold your apple tight
I'm against the drawn-crime variants on thought-crime because it is a clear and ridiculous slippery slope situation. Sure this stuff was actual ultra loli hentacle shit, but there's a guy in Australia in a shitton of trouble for having Simpsons pron, for fuck's sake. And no not for copyright infringement.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10547203
IMO the only place for drawn/written-crime in law enforcement should be contribution towards reasonable grounds for suspicion in getting warrants to look for other stuff, for getting restraining orders if it's about someone real, that kind of thing. The idea of punishing anyone for private obscenity is repellent to me.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10547203
IMO the only place for drawn/written-crime in law enforcement should be contribution towards reasonable grounds for suspicion in getting warrants to look for other stuff, for getting restraining orders if it's about someone real, that kind of thing. The idea of punishing anyone for private obscenity is repellent to me.
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fully agree. Also considering it was drawn by an "artist"(s) who took their time to draw whatever it is that the guy was in possession of, it should already qualify to have "artistic value". It's not like it's doodles. Not to mention the whole fact that if he did indeed purchase manga that was written and drawn by an artist that work would have to have artistic value.. or did he get it for free?
Anyway.. how did the guy even get caught?
fully agree. Also considering it was drawn by an "artist"(s) who took their time to draw whatever it is that the guy was in possession of, it should already qualify to have "artistic value". It's not like it's doodles. Not to mention the whole fact that if he did indeed purchase manga that was written and drawn by an artist that work would have to have artistic value.. or did he get it for free?
Anyway.. how did the guy even get caught?
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avidwriter
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What has this country become? Where you can't even draw or own a drawing of something illegal. Are they going to arrest me if I draw a pot plant? What if I paint a murder scene? This is BS. It's a freaking drawing, goddamn 
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What I find really odd is that there are hollywood movies where girls are topless at the ages of 16 or even younger and those are legal why? Fucking hypocrites.
.What I find really odd is that there are hollywood movies where girls are topless at the ages of 16 or even younger and those are legal why? Fucking hypocrites.
Vampire_Hunter_Bob
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avidwriter said:What has this country become? Where you can't even draw or own a drawing of something illegal. Are they going to arrest me if I draw a pot plant? What if I paint a murder scene? This is BS. It's a freaking drawing, goddamn
Think about this: Australia banned Fallout 3 for having drugs that were similar to morphine in it.
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Xem
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There's nothing new about any of this.
Legal Definition of Obscene: http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/o002.htm
I think the thin line here is the term artistic value. Everyone has a different idea on what is art and what is just garbage, I think the basis for judging this is whether or not it somehow promotes an illegal act or not.
Most of the time prosecutors won't go near cases like this, but obviously this manga was so blatantly obscene that it made it's way to court. I have mixed feelings on the matter, but I can't really think of a good reason for such drawings to be made, at least not any "serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value".
Legal Definition of Obscene: http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/o002.htm
I think the thin line here is the term artistic value. Everyone has a different idea on what is art and what is just garbage, I think the basis for judging this is whether or not it somehow promotes an illegal act or not.
Most of the time prosecutors won't go near cases like this, but obviously this manga was so blatantly obscene that it made it's way to court. I have mixed feelings on the matter, but I can't really think of a good reason for such drawings to be made, at least not any "serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value".
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avidwriter
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Scorpio said:
It's still just a drawing. Wrong? Maybe but not illegal. Why do we even have freedom of expression anymore?
Vampire_Hunter_Bob
Cats are great
avidwriter said:
He was pointing out that drawing kiddy porn isn't the same thing as drawing a pot plant also I think the post above yours already explained everything else.
Oltobaz
Cancer no Deathmask
Kiddy porn drawings=garbage.
Of course, in Japan, you can buy this stuff pretty much anywhere, and no one will give a damn. You may or may not be labeled as a pervert, and that's it.
Just burn these mangas if you must, and give this guy a break.
To answer Avidwriter, you won't be in trouble if you draw a pot plant, however, draw anything related to kid porn, have someone watch over you, and you might, even though you were just fooling around. Next step:
they put to jail just for talking about it!
Of course, in Japan, you can buy this stuff pretty much anywhere, and no one will give a damn. You may or may not be labeled as a pervert, and that's it.
Just burn these mangas if you must, and give this guy a break.
To answer Avidwriter, you won't be in trouble if you draw a pot plant, however, draw anything related to kid porn, have someone watch over you, and you might, even though you were just fooling around. Next step:
they put to jail just for talking about it!
