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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #175 on: July 02, 2003, 11:44:00 PM »
Thinking about the Golem's... if they continue to move, then surely that must mean Flora is alive to control them, right?

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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #176 on: July 02, 2003, 11:45:15 PM »
No. If flora dies the protections on the mark of sacrifice won't last out, neither the armour's special bonuses should.
And the game plays on people's backs and they don't even have a clue about it, wasting their energy because their attention is distracted by the rulers' game itself.
Pay attention people. Watch your back!

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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #177 on: July 03, 2003, 12:10:00 AM »
The protection of the mark is Schierke's doing, not Flora's, and Slann already wiped Guts' one.

And so far we don't know if the armor has "special bonuses" other than the talisman carved in it, which will obviously last after Flora's death anyway since she knew she was about to die a long time before she met Guts.

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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #178 on: July 03, 2003, 12:50:55 AM »
The protection of the mark is Schierke's doing, not Flora's, and Slann already wiped Guts' one.

And so far we don't know if the armor has "special bonuses" other than the talisman carved in it, which will obviously last after Flora's death anyway since she knew she was about to die a long time before she met Guts.

The argument was about golemns though.
And the game plays on people's backs and they don't even have a clue about it, wasting their energy because their attention is distracted by the rulers' game itself.
Pay attention people. Watch your back!

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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #179 on: July 03, 2003, 01:26:18 AM »
Ah, it worked, thanks mizar.

Anyway, it probably wasn't worth the effort since you can just read the Japanese off the scans, but I felt it was important, especially since my translation is pretty damn, er, 'rough'. I'll translate the rest later if someone who doesn't really know japanese wont do it.

page 14
Grunbeld: この者の相手

このグルンベルドにお任せ頂きたい
This aquiantance (really don't know the proper translation, I think he means Guts) of yours (referring to zodd), let me take care of it/him.

Guts: 巨人...!!??
A giant!!??

Zoddo: グルンベルド...

フ フ

良かろう

かたじけない

Grunbeld.....

heh heh

As you wish

I'm in your debt (or maybe he's saying Grunbeld is in HIS debt, like "you owe me", I'm not sure
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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #180 on: July 03, 2003, 02:14:25 AM »
The argument was about golemns though.

Then what's this?  ::)
No. If flora dies the protections on the mark of sacrifice won't last out, neither the armour's special bonuses should.
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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #181 on: July 03, 2003, 02:43:04 AM »
Thinking about the Golem's... if they continue to move, then surely that must mean Flora is alive to control them, right?
And where did we see them move in THIS issue? Last we did see them was in issue 222
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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #182 on: July 03, 2003, 04:29:22 AM »
Since everyone wants to know what the chit-chat on page 14 is about, I'll just quickly write whats going on.

Grunbeld - I would like you to let me be this one's opponent
Guts - "A giant...!!?"
Zodd - Grunbeld...hmph, very well
Grunbeld - I thank you
Grunbeld - I have heard about you. The black knight who hunts the apostle's. Even though you are human, you were able to survive the eclipse.
Grunbeld - Whatever kind of witch she may be, to attack an old one living in these peaceful woods with such a great number is far from an honorable thing for a warrior to do. But to prove my loyaty to the hawk, I asked that I be allowed to be assigned to this mission...

end of page 14

Anyways, it's pretty obvious that Grunbeld is not an apostle. An apostle would've said something like "we apostles", but he just said apostles.

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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #183 on: July 03, 2003, 04:32:20 AM »
wow, that mustve been easy for you to do. how bout the rest, bud  ;D
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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #184 on: July 03, 2003, 04:33:07 AM »
Anyways, it's pretty obvious that Grunbeld is not an apostle. An apostle would've said something like "we apostles", but he just said apostles.
Thanks for the much needed translation.  But... sorry, the above is just not enough confirmation for me. He'll be an apostle in my book until it's made more clear.

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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #185 on: July 03, 2003, 04:41:35 AM »
Grunbeld seems like a good guy (a good guy as in honorable, not as in one of the good buys ;p) and I think that he will not be all brutal with Guts

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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #186 on: July 03, 2003, 06:40:01 AM »
Grunbeld seems like a good guy (a good guy as in honorable, not as in one of the good buys ;p) and I think that he will not be all brutal with Guts

Maybe u mean he is not despicable, i dun think he is a good kind-hearted person either. He may try to be honourable by trying to defend helping people etc.

Secondly, i seriously dun think he will be gentle, dun forget Guts was hawk's enemies!

In the battle between Guts and Grunbeld, i really dun see any great chance that Guts will win, Grunbeld look too overwhelming...
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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #187 on: July 03, 2003, 06:43:35 AM »
Thanks for the translation for that Saiki, and like Ranemaka says, how bout the rest ;D I believe that Grenbeld is an apostle, because page 16 shows Guts brand still bleeding. However, would Guts of said "A giant?" if he didn't know he was an apostle?

And where did we see them move in THIS issue? Last we did see them was issue 222

It was a semi-speculation for future chapters.

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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #188 on: July 03, 2003, 07:00:42 AM »
Thanks for the translation for that Saiki, and like Ranemaka says, how bout the rest ;D I believe that Grenbeld is an apostle, because page 16 shows Guts brand still bleeding. However, would Guts of said "A giant?" if he didn't know he was an apostle?It was a semi-speculation for future chapters.

Guts says "a giant?" because he is big. What would he say?: "A big man?"
And the game plays on people's backs and they don't even have a clue about it, wasting their energy because their attention is distracted by the rulers' game itself.
Pay attention people. Watch your back!

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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #189 on: July 03, 2003, 07:08:22 AM »
because page 16 shows Guts brand still bleeding.

Dun forget there is still Zodd and other apostles around, so not a good evidence to assume Grunbeld is an apostle





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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #190 on: July 03, 2003, 07:16:23 AM »
By the way I don't think Grunbeld's transformer has any wings or is able to fly. If so he could make Griffis' taxi very well at his reincarnation's first days but he doesn't even show up. Zodd shows up obviously because he can be an airoplane and can get to know all the great happenings due to his traveling possibility.
By the way Zodd is the only apostle we have info he lives an extended period of time. Maybe, I say maybe he is unique to this Nosferatu ability but then why, if so?
And the game plays on people's backs and they don't even have a clue about it, wasting their energy because their attention is distracted by the rulers' game itself.
Pay attention people. Watch your back!

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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #191 on: July 03, 2003, 07:27:29 AM »
I don't think the brand bleeding means all that much considering Zoddo and his Apostle buddies are standing no more than five feet in front of Guts. It was also bleeding long before he got to the house. And even if Grunbeld causes the brand to bleed, that only proves he's spiritually akin to Apostles. However, I don't agree with Saiki that Grunbeld's choice of words necessarily rules him out as an Apostle (unless he understands something from the context of the Japanese that wouldn't come through in a direct English translation?). Though, the possibilities do excite me; Miura's expanded the Berserk universe immensely since  Millennium Falcon began and these "beyond Apostles" would certainly fit that trend.

And boy, he sure is tall, hyuck!

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P.S. Whatever he is, I really do hope I get to see Miura draw a badass looking dragon somewhere down the line.

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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #192 on: July 03, 2003, 08:04:37 AM »

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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #193 on: July 03, 2003, 10:39:49 AM »
Maybe you'll shut up now to commemorate this great event?
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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #194 on: July 03, 2003, 12:11:15 PM »
Maybe you'll shut up now to commemorate this great event?
Preach it.

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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #195 on: July 03, 2003, 12:17:22 PM »
Preach it.

And your next post is for you too.
And the game plays on people's backs and they don't even have a clue about it, wasting their energy because their attention is distracted by the rulers' game itself.
Pay attention people. Watch your back!

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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #196 on: July 03, 2003, 12:33:21 PM »
Maybe you'll shut up now to commemorate this great event?

I will, by not by shutting up my mouth  ;D








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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #197 on: July 03, 2003, 01:30:17 PM »
Guts says "a giant?" because he is big. What would he say?: "A big man?"

Technically that IS what he says. The kanji for big (giant), and the kanji for man side by side. You could even translate it as "a great man", though it's obvious what Guts is referring to.

However, I don't agree with Saiki that Grunbeld's choice of words necessarily rules him out as an Apostle (unless he understands something from the context of the Japanese that wouldn't come through in a direct English translation?)

I'm too lazy to look right now, but there are specific ways you reffer to your affiliation/in-group when speaking about them in Japanese. It's possible he spoke of them as if he were outside of that group.
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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #198 on: July 03, 2003, 02:18:07 PM »
I'm too lazy to look right now, but there are specific ways you reffer to your affiliation/in-group when speaking about them in Japanese. It's possible he spoke of them as if he were outside of that group.

Not in this case, Grunbeld is just generally talking about "The Black Swordsman who hunts down (the) apostles". That's simply what Grunbeld has heard about Guts. It doesn't imply anything about Grunbeld himself, in my opinion.

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Re:Episode 223
« Reply #199 on: July 03, 2003, 03:34:52 PM »
The reason I say that it's enough proof that Grunbeld is not an apostle is the way he is saying it.
If he were an apostle, he should've said it in the lines of
"Warera Shito wo katte mawarukuroi kenshi."
which means
"The blackswordsman who hunts us apostle's down."
But he just said, "The blackswordsman who hunts apostle's down."

Although Zodd says something similar in vol22 so Grunbeld just might be something like Zodd. I'm just hoping that Grunbeld is something different. ;D