Aazealh said:Rather, Akuma's like him, because Zodd was around first.
actually if you want to be more technical.. Sheng Long was around first.
Aazealh said:Rather, Akuma's like him, because Zodd was around first.
Maddness said:actually if you want to be more technical.. Sheng Long was around first.
bastard_swordsman said:Has he ever been confirmed as an apostle?
bastard_swordsman said:I figured that his siding with Griffith may be out of an "enemy of my enemy" situation, seeing as his devotion to Griffith is different from that of Zodd, Locus, Grunbeld, etc... seeing as they don't want to behead him.
bastard_swordsman said:But on the three eyes thing - I'd assumed it was a mask, so I was missing some of the facts.
pippin22 said:I always thought Zodd was something other than an apostle... Sure, he serves Griffith right now, but he didn't seem to serve the Godhand until he chose to after Griffith chopped off his horn... I'm probably wrong.
pippin22 said:I always thought Zodd was something other than an apostle... Sure, he serves Griffith right now, but he didn't seem to serve the Godhand until he chose to after Griffith chopped off his horn... I'm probably wrong.
ZoddTheImmortal said:No he always served them. Thats why he protected griffith from wyald and he also didn't tear griffith to shreds in the castle. He's always been serving the Godhands wishes.
Aazealh said:Well, apostles in general don't really "serve" the God Hand either. They just do whatever they want. What makes Zodd special is that he actually tried to fight the Falcon of Light. That requires some balls. Anyway, there's no doubt he's an apostle, it's pointed out several times in the manga as well as in the character summary at the beginning of new volumes.
No, he didn't serve the God Hand. He just did whatever he wanted to do, like all other apostles. He spared Griffith (and Guts and the other members of the Hawks) because he felt like it, and he also had his own reasons to kill Wyald, but it wasn't because of any order or obligation to serve the God Hand. If you look at the dialogue, it's even pretty clearly stated.
ZoddTheImmortal said:im pretty shure he spared griffith because he knew he would be the fifth angel he even gave a prophet of what would happen.
Aazealh said:Yes, he saved him because he had that beherit, but that doesn't mean he was serving anybody. That was his own choice, just like it was Wyald's choice to try to kill Griffith (and the Hawks).
Serpico said:I've got to go with Rakshas. He is sneaky, funny, and a good bit insane from what I can tell. I'm also curious as to his past.
Forest Wraith said:I find it interesting that we have yet to see an Apostle that displays a desire to distance themselves from the Nature of Apostles. What if there were an Apostle who sought Redemption?
Forest Wraith said:I think it's highly significant that Rakshas is one of the only characters who is represented as being all but unaffected by Griffith's Charisma. Which is all the more remarkable for an Apostle. I don't mean to knock Ganishka but I find Rakshas' challenge and threat to Griffith to be even more impressive then Ganishka's in retrospect: Rakshas just stares at him and tells him that he is going to kill him and that he will let nothing get in the way of that. No Grandiosity and Pride, nor a moment of doubt. Just a simple, Passionate declaration . . .
Forest Wraith said:Something major has to be driving Rakshas for him to have that phenomenal degree of Single-Mindedness when facing the incarnation of a God Hand . . . What I'm considering is that he wants to redeem himself for becoming an Apostle. If I may be so bold; I suspect that he was a Wizard or Holy-man of the Bakiraka Clan, the kind of person for who, becoming an Apostle would be completely contrary to his nature. Yet, through unforeseeable circumstances, he became an Apostle in a moment of weakness and in a manner so infamous that it led to his Exile. Furthermore, suppose that the act of making his Sacrifice drove him nearly mad with Grief.
Aazealh said:I guess you should read Walter's short story "The Protector".
Aazealh said:Well clearly Rakshas isn't unaffected by Griffith at all. Proof is that he came to him with all the others and despite his words is serving him like all the others. In fact, his declaration reinforces the impression that he's on the contrary pretty strongly affected (why else would he want to make Griffith his?). Besides, his statement is certainly intriguing, but it's still nothing compared to Ganishka actually opposing Griffith, or even Zodd trying to fight the Falcon of Light. When Rakshas said so Griffith just smiled and then he himself giggled. I don't think it's fair to compare words to actions.
Aazealh said:Your idea sounds pretty unlikely to me. Rakshas doesn't really seem the type to be grieving or having remorse, nor to be regretful of his condition as an apostle. He also hardly fits the profile of a magic user, even former, rather he's more like the members of the Bakiraka we've seen so far: agile fighters often using surreptitious methods. And I believe you are mistaken about Rakshas' apparent goal. If you look at his introductory scene, he comments on how beautiful Griffith is, and then proceeds to say that he'll cut off his head and make him his one day. The focus here isn't the act of killing but the appropriation of Griffith, it's like a child coveting a doll.
Forest Wraith said:What I think is concrete is Rakshas' presentation: His exact motivations for wanting to kill Griffith are not defined.
Forest Wraith said:While I agree that his obsession with Griffith is motivated primarily in fanaticism: It's the ambiguity of his motivations that makes me consider that he might have a more diverse role then the other Apostles.
Forest Wraith said:Bottom line: I consider his desire to kill Griffith to be a form of foreshadowing.
Forest Wraith said:Yeah, well that's just your Opinion Man . . .