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Offline Ramen4ever

Re: Anyone wonder how Guts met Godot?
« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2005, 01:15:48 AM »
I don't wanna get into a speculation battle with you. :schierke: especially not during Christmas :serpico:

 Theres no reason to assume it wasn't Godot that made his new sword after the fight with Boscone

"He used weapons for adults when he was a kid and naturally moved to bigger swords as he grew up"

Guts using adult swords as a kid is not relevant because its just a simple adult sword. no 3x wider 3x stronger or 3x longer involved.
Natural? maybe in the world of manga's and animes.. does that mean if Guts uses his DS with only one hand a lot, by the time hes 40 he will have two DS's or maybe have a shield like Grunbeld ( please correct his name). most likely he'll just be faster and faster with it.
Guts training with a bigger sword as a kid, just shows his desire to become stronger and live up to Gambino's  "expectations" or however that relationship worked.. as well as his stuburn-ness anyway the only natural part in there.. is that during his training he got used to the fact that the swords he used were always about his own size.

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Your right there is no mention of any other blacksmiths..

So this is all best left as Uncertain/ untill further information is revealed
(EDIT: ahah my bad I took so long you edited your post >_<)
« Last Edit: December 25, 2005, 01:20:13 AM by Ramen4ever »

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Re: Anyone wonder how Guts met Godot?
« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2005, 01:33:04 AM »
If you don't want to get into a "speculation battle", please just think twice before replying and don't make me waste my time.

Theres no reason to assume it wasn't Godot that made his new sword after the fight with Boscone

There's a reason, because he had it made in Wyndham and that Godot didn't live anywhere near that place. And like I said, Guts never looks like he knew Godot before meeting him during his year of lone wandering. Now tell me what in the manga would have you assume that Godot made that sword? I'll answer for you: nothing.

Guts using adult swords as a kid is not relevant because its just a simple adult sword. no 3x wider 3x stronger or 3x longer involved.

It's relevant, you just didn't understand what I meant. He moved on to bigger swords because that's what he had been used to. That's why he used disproportionate swords all his life. As he grew up, asking for the camp's blacksmith to make him a bigger weapon would have seemed rather natural to him. You actually agree with this later on in your post.
 
Natural? maybe in the world of manga's and animes..

Yes, OBVIOUSLY in the world of manga (invariable word). Guts couldn't exist in the real world... :schierke:

does that mean if Guts uses his DS with only one hand a lot, by the time hes 40 he will have two DS's or maybe have a shield like Grunbeld ( please correct his name). most likely he'll just be faster and faster with it.

Where's the logic supposed to be here? You're not making any sense... Not proving any point. A kid grows up, an adult past 20 doesn't. And Guts can throw the Dragon Slayer at enemies now, he did in volume 27 (with the armor on). That's not something he could have done in volume 14, so who knows what he'll be able to do later on? Don't assume too much. Besides, a weapon bigger than the DS would probably be silly in terms of design, even in a fantasy world. It'd look impractical and inefficient, too big for him.

Guts training with a bigger sword as a kid, just shows his desire to become stronger and live up to Gambino's  "expectations" or however that relationship worked.. as well as his stuburn-ness anyway the only natural part in there.. is that during his training he got used to the fact that the swords he used were always about his own size.

So basically you're paraphrasing what I said in my previous post. And I'm right. It's good since that's all pretty basic stuff.

Your right there is no mention of any other blacksmiths..

Maybe every single sword in Berserk was made by Godot then? That's the kind of logic you're using here.

So this is all best left as Uncertain/ untill further information is revealed

No, sorry but there's nothing uncertain (and I doubt we'll ever get additional information). You're just clinging to far-fetched speculations and going against the obvious without any solid fact to back up your assumptions. There's no proof Godot didn't forge all the swords in Berserk, does that mean he did? If Godot had been the one making the swords (every one of them) Guts used all his life, don't you think Miura would have let the readers know? Godot lived in an unknown kingdom when he was younger, and after he left the place (as a consequence of forging the Dragon Slayer) he exiled himself in the mountains and stayed there ever after.

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Re: Anyone wonder how Guts met Godot?
« Reply #27 on: December 25, 2005, 02:30:02 AM »
Besides, a weapon bigger than the DS would probably be silly in terms of design, even in a fantasy world. It'd look impractical and inefficient, too big for him.

Lets not jump to conclusions, I think Guts at age 40 would be a badass.


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Re: Anyone wonder how Guts met Godot?
« Reply #28 on: December 25, 2005, 07:27:18 AM »
Guts: And the City Slayer (CS)

Hehehe, he sort of reminds me of Wally with that beard, too. :guts:

Offline Ramen4ever

Re: Anyone wonder how Guts met Godot?
« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2005, 07:58:27 AM »
You make me work hard on the night before Christmas :beast:

"don't make me waste my time."

Yea, I know its the holidays but apart from that I thought you usually correct other posters who speculate. It's your choice if you wanna "waste" your time, I didn't force you to reply or anything :???:

"There's a reason, because he had it made in Wyndham and that Godot doesn't live anywhere near that place."

Actually I think Godot just lives a couple days ride from Wyndham. ( When Guts and the hawks rescue Griffith I don't remember them taking weeks to get there.)  Also between his fight with Boscone (clearly not a snowy battlefield) and when he takes his leave ( sometime in winter) months pass. Guts would of had plenty of time to get a new sword from Godot

"Now tell me what in the manga would have you assume that Godot made that sword? I'll answer for you: nothing."

Just the sizes and ..I gotta check into this, and find some manga scans.. I haven't read them for a long time. Doesn't Guts use the same sword in his fight with Griffith and During his training at Godot's place. Godot comments on his opponents while reworking (the same sword). I guess I misunderstood and  made the wrong connections ( Maybe Godot is reworking the sword and can tell what its been through because its his own work) :schierke:

"Yes, OBVIOUSLY in the world of manga (invariable word). Guts couldn't exist in the real world... "

Yea, got me there   :carcus:

"So basically you're paraphrasing what I said in my previous post"  

maybe you missed the entire first half of my "paraphrasing"

I gotta agree with you in one way.. but not fully I guess I see it slightly differently :void:

"Maybe every single sword in Berserk was made by Godot then? That's the kind of logic you're using here."

"Besides, what other blacksmith have you heard of apart from Godot?"

Talk about logic? check your posts.

hmm, almost lost me there... :schierke:
anyways.. who cares what other blacksmiths are out there.

"You're just clinging to far-fetched speculations and going against the obvious without any solid fact to back up your assumptions"

I sense someone over exaggerating :schierke:
Anyway no comment at 2 am :serpico:

Cnc.. Ty that made my day :guts:

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Re: Anyone wonder how Guts met Godot?
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2005, 09:49:03 AM »
You make me work hard on the night before Christmas :beast:

It's the other way around. And I don't have the feeling you put any "hard work" in your posts to be honest.

Yea, I know its the holidays but apart from that I thought you usually correct other posters who speculate. It's your choice if you wanna "waste" your time, I didn't force you to reply or anything

I correct people and expect them to understand what I say and respond accordingly instead of spewing nonsense to try to talk back to me when they can't even spell names correctly (or quote for that matter). That's why I say you're just wasting my time with this.

Actually I think Godot just lives a couple days ride from Wyndham.
When Guts and the hawks rescue Griffith I don't remember them taking weeks to get there.

It takes them 3 days of riding from their camp, and they rode hard. So yeah, theorically, Guts could have gone in secret to Godot's place to get a new sword during that month, and Miura didn't show it because he wanted you to guess it basing yourself on nothing. And then he came back with that new sword only to depart again, but that time he had to go through the painful process of fighting Griffith, despite his intention to leave quietly. Can't you see a certain contradiction here? Because I sure do.

Also between his fight with Boscone (clearly not a snowy battlefield) and when he takes his leave ( sometime in winter) months pass.

Only one month passes as far as the information in the manga goes. Get your facts straight please, this is getting ridiculous. I mean, do you base your posts on anything at all? :schierke:

Just the sizes and ..I gotta check into this, and find some manga scans.. I haven't read them for a long time.

This is pretty sad... You're basing yourself on scans, and you haven't read them for a long time? How can you hope to be taken seriously? It's almost a lack of respect for your interlocutor you know. And the sizes... That's the best/worst part I think. Why should Godot be the only smith able to make swords bigger than the "regular" size? I ask again because you didn't answer. It doesn't make sense, you can't justify your speculation with something like that.

Doesn't Guts use the same sword in his fight with Griffith and During his training at Godot's place. Godot comments on his opponents while reworking (the same sword). I guess I misunderstood and  made the wrong connections ( Maybe Godot is reworking the sword and can tell what its been through because its his own work)

Yes, you misunderstood. First, that's not in the manga, only in the anime (so it's worthless basically). Second, Godot just says that Guts fought against a strong opponent that day (i.e. Valancia, not Griffith), that he can tell from the sword (while he actually defeated the guy in one swing... :schierke:). It has nothing to do with the sword being his work or anything, he's commenting on the damage it took while mending it. This doesn't mean anything in particular, and certainly not that he originally forged it. Any blacksmith can repair a sword, it doesn't have to be their creation. Anyway their talk is very different in the manga and doesn't even happen at the same time chronologically (the events differ too: the sword Guts used in his fight against Griffith broke during his training at the waterfall, and later on when he fights Silat he has a different one).

maybe you missed the entire first half of my "paraphrasing"

The first half of your paraphrasing where you state the obvious? It shows that you've at least partly read the manga, congratulations. What does it add to the discussion? I'll answer again: nothing. Guts wanted to become stronger when he was young, so? It just doesn't change anything to what I said.

Talk about logic? check your posts.

And what's the problem supposed to be here, huh? I'm just demonstrating that with your reasoning anything is possible, regardless of how far-fetched it is. Anyway you've sure got nerves to dare tell me to check my posts when yours are such a wreck.

anyways.. who cares what other blacksmiths are out there.

Not you, obviously, since it can only be Godot that forges Guts' swords. Because they're big or something. :schierke:

I sense someone over exaggerating

No, it's like I said. You've yet to bring any concrete fact to back up this silly theory of yours.

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Re: Anyone wonder how Guts met Godot?
« Reply #31 on: December 25, 2005, 03:19:42 PM »
What it boils down to (back to the title of the thread) is that ultimately the circumstances of how Guts met Godo aren't that important.
If they were, it would have been included in the story.

But since Godo's dead now, I think the exploration of those aspects of the story can be discarded and we can move on.
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Re: Anyone wonder how Guts met Godot?
« Reply #32 on: December 25, 2005, 07:07:47 PM »
What it boils down to (back to the title of the thread) is that ultimately the circumstances of how Guts met Godo aren't that important.
If they were, it would have been included in the story.

Indeed, thanks for wisely pointing this out. I hope it will help some people put things in perspective.

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Re: Anyone wonder how Guts met Godot?
« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2005, 08:20:21 PM »
You win AaZ, it really is pointless to go on..
as for the scans.. I'm just happy to have any version of the manga.
so who's name did i copy paste in my quotes wrong?
blame the spell check tool :schierke:

oh and the sizes.. theres a difference between known to make big swords and Godot being the only blacksmith to make big swords...
I support the first of the two. (no need to misinterpret my words)

as for the fights.. I never said he fought Griffith during his training. just before.

well what-ev
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this was all one useless waste of time :-X

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Re: Anyone wonder how Guts met Godot?
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2005, 09:23:38 PM »
it really is pointless to go on..

Was pointless to start in the first place, IMHO.

as for the scans.. I'm just happy to have any version of the manga.

How about buying it? It's Christmas, you could ask for it.

so who's name did i copy paste in my quotes wrong?
blame the spell check tool

Didn't you keep asking what the correct spellings were for several names (Godot, Bazūso, and even Grunberd)? That's what I meant. Also, am I supposed to blame the spell checking tool for writing "stuburn-ness" instead of "stubbornness", "happaned" instead of "happened", "could of" instead of "could have", etc? It's made to assist people, not write their posts for them. I don't want to insist on people's spelling or stuff like this, but I think it's a minimum to check things like this in advance if you're going to tell people to "check their posts" like if you were giving them a lesson.

oh and the sizes.. theres a difference between known to make big swords and Godot being the only blacksmith to make big swords...
I support the first of the two. (no need to misinterpret my words)

Godot isn't known for making big swords. He made the Dragon Slayer (a special and unique weapon), and he made a lot of other swords, including many "normal" swords. The sword he prepared for Guts after the Occultation was standard in size, Guts could easily use it with one hand. I don't know why you think he's a specialist of "big swords", it's not hinted at in the manga. Just give up that idea man. Here, take a look at where the Dragon Slayer was stored.

as for the fights.. I never said he fought Griffith during his training. just before.

I didn't say you said he fought Griffith during his training, I said Godot was talking about the man Guts had fought the same day (Valancia), and not Griffith.

this was all one useless waste of time :-X

Pretty much yeah. You wanted a speculation battle (in Manga Mausoleum, which isn't the appropriate section), you got one (they very rarely yield anything worth the time invested, believe me). No hard feelings here though.