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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #125 on: June 11, 2006, 09:28:40 PM »
Do you know what would make laugh?
Berserk ending right in Vritannis.. Ganishka kills apostles, Griff kills Ganishka, Guts kills Griff.. More or less like that..
But its not going to happen.. Thank God im not Miura  :serpico:
But probably Guts will escape in the mess and maybe.. Maybe.. Guts will have a little fight with Zodd.. I think everyone would enjoy that!  :zodd:

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #126 on: June 11, 2006, 11:16:09 PM »
<Guts> *pulls v1 - 14 out of Supply Bag*
<Guts> ...Eh.  Here.  Read this.



I laughed pretty hard.

But really, I think the trip will be the perfect time for them to discover Guts' past.

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #127 on: June 11, 2006, 11:30:50 PM »
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You know, I can't help but frown upon that denomination. Because of what it implies: that a "refined" version has to have clumsily edited English text in it. Ironically, these are usually of a lesser quality.

You can guess and assume what's going on, even with good accuracy but unless you were 100% certain (and how many people are?), it makes all the difference and changes the whole perception of the story once it's concrete IMO.

I don't think it changes the "whole perception" of the story, especially since various people (like me) usually post some details about what's being said in advance. It does of course add much depth to that "perception" and gives more comprehension but it hardly "totally changes" the way people view it, at least from what I've seen here. The point here is that the art isn't useless without text, and that people can appreciate the episode and know they'll like it without having to read all of it in details.

I can't help but feel if the context of the story was so understandable without the dialogue, then certain individuals wouldn't become so pedantic over the most mild of translation differences. And that's fine to me, it's seeking the ultimate understanding of the story, otherwise it could easily be taken into a different context to what it was originally intended to be.

Well, then again certain individuals create HUGE (not mild) misunderstandings that last for years and sometimes paying attention to the context and thinking a little more could prevent it. "Mild" translation differences are like you said easily leading people into mistaking the story for something it's not, taking it into another context, etc. That often results in them failing to notice important points, sometimes even vital elements of the story. Considering all of this, I don't think it's right to label this seeking of a proper understanding "pedantic." In the same way, basing oneself solely on translations while discarding art is a grave error and can sometimes prove ridiculous (especially since translations never convey the original meaning perfectly).

So the visuals are as important as the translation or more, that still leaves alot of significance to be left on the dialogue, for me that's enough to wait for.

Nobody said the dialogue had no significance, that would be stupid. But you can discuss an episode without having all the details of the dialogue yet, that's what the threads in the Current Episodes section are for, like I told you. Speculating and guessing what could be happening next.

Unless you consider typing the Hiragana and Katakana into unknown words to be while waiting for the proper translation, I suppose I could do that.

Yeah, that's what I was mainly referring to, plus it'd help you learn faster. :SK:

Anyway, going back to the episode itself:

Now what do the power of those flying apostles have...
I bet a few of them have the power to attract lightning *zap*.

Well, Ganishka didn't call them insects for no reason, they're attracted by the "light" of the Hawk, and they'll fry well in his lightning. :guts:

Maybe.. Guts will have a little fight with Zodd.. I think everyone would enjoy that!

It's good you mentioned Zodd, we haven't really talked about him yet. What do you guys expect him to do? Face Ganishka? Encounter the group? Just rampage in town? And do you think we'll see more of the Hawk's generals? Like Irvine sniping Daiba down or something like that. :void:

But really, I think the trip will be the perfect time for them to discover Guts' past.

Yeah, it really would be a good occasion. It was discussed before and that was the general opinion.

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #128 on: June 12, 2006, 12:51:03 AM »
It's good you mentioned Zodd, we haven't really talked about him yet. What do you guys expect him to do? Face Ganishka? Encounter the group? Just rampage in town? And do you think we'll see more of the Hawk's generals? Like Irvine sniping Daiba down or something like that. :void:

I'm curious to see if Sonia makes an appearance. And, if she does, what Schierke's reaction will be. Will Sonia mention Guts and co to Griffith... will Griffith decide that Schierke's a threat like her mother?

I'd say the battle in Vritannis is larger then any other we've seen the Hawks in so the possibility that Griffith isn't holding back is high... it's likely we'll see them all in the near future.

As for Zodd... Maybe he'll run into Azan. :D


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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #129 on: June 12, 2006, 01:13:37 AM »
I'm curious to see if Sonia makes an appearance. And, if she does, what Schierke's reaction will be. Will Sonia mention Guts and co to Griffith... will Griffith decide that Schierke's a threat like her mother?

I'd say the battle in Vritannis is larger then any other we've seen the Hawks in so the possibility that Griffith isn't holding back is high... it's likely we'll see them all in the near future.

As for Zodd... Maybe he'll run into Azan. :D
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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #130 on: June 12, 2006, 01:16:02 AM »
Maybe it's just highlights, but I think Guts has more splotches of white in his hair. Most noticable on pg. 3. Loved the shot of Roddy, Izzy, and Manny admiring Guts' display of Cojones Grande. Just one more, and I'll go: Now that the DS has been struck by lightning, will the magnetic hand be repelled by it? Or was the current too small to magnetize it, in spite of the voltage?
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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #131 on: June 12, 2006, 02:00:11 AM »
I'm curious to see if Sonia makes an appearance. And, if she does, what Schierke's reaction will be.

Hmm I don't think they'll meet again, since she's escorting the Pontiff with Mule and they'll probably avoid venturing in the midst of the battle. They don't have any reason to get to the harbor.

will Griffith decide that Schierke's a threat like her mother?

If you refer to Flora, she wasn't her mother.

Maybe it's just highlights, but I think Guts has more splotches of white in his hair.

I think it's just the highlights, page 4 makes it pretty clear IMO (jet black hair except for the usual spot).

Now that the DS has been struck by lightning, will the magnetic hand be repelled by it? Or was the current too small to magnetize it, in spite of the voltage?

I don't think it could be magnetized like that, or at least not for long. I'm not sure the magnetic field produced by the lightning was strong enough and the exposure was too short anyway.

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #132 on: June 12, 2006, 02:05:35 AM »
Hmm I don't think they'll meet again, since she's escorting the Pontiff with Mule and they'll probably avoid venturing in the midst of the battle. They don't have any reason to get to the harbor.

Oh yes. Forgot about the pontiff.

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #133 on: June 12, 2006, 03:12:44 AM »
It's good you mentioned Zodd, we haven't really talked about him yet. What do you guys expect him to do? Face Ganishka? Encounter the group? Just rampage in town? And do you think we'll see more of the Hawk's generals? Like Irvine sniping Daiba down or something like that. :void:
I doubt Zodd'll make a beeline for Ganishka: way I see it, if Griffith wanted Zodd to tango with the Emperor of Terror, he'd have sent him along with those other flying apostles. Zodd's too important to risk losing in a suicidal mission as buzzing around Ganishka like the shit he is. He's better off killing the dakas/pishachas in the city along with the other land-bound apostles. I don't think he'll meet Guts though, as he doesn't seem to have any busy on the end of town, either. I just expect Zodd to do what he does best: slaughter enemy soldiers like there's no tomorrow.  :zodd:

I'm glad you mentioned Irvine, as I think his skills can hasten the Kushan defeat in Vritanis (Ganishka's forces don't seem to have the delicate skills/stealth that archers have, favoring smokescreens, terror and overwhelming force to get by). I don't think he or the other major apostles are going anywhere near Ganishka until they're rolling with Griffith; nothing in their known apostle arsenal can damage that giant-fog form of his. I at least hope we get to see him transfer into his apostle form at last and end the speculation that it's a cyclops/beholder/whatever. I also hope, with such a large frontal assault on the city, that the other apostle big shots show up: Grunberd, Locus and Rakshas to aide in the assault. There's also supposed to be a land general out there, but I guess he hasn't arrived yet (or maybe they're contending with his forces right now?).

Speaking of Griffith, I wonder what exactly he plans to do next. Does anyone think he'll make a direct discourse with Ganishka? Perhaps even show Ganishka who'se boss with an actual display of his supernatural powers? Or will it be just him commanding from the city hall with the Holy See generals and nobles maybe even flaunting Princess Charlotte with him to a stunned Owen/Midland nobility? :isidro: I'm sure with the Pontiff eating out of his hand, he'll get them all on his side, but I'd like to see Griffith's reaction to what Guts did at the ball prior to their arrival.

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #134 on: June 12, 2006, 05:25:20 AM »
I doubt Zodd'll make a beeline for Ganishka: way I see it, if Griffith wanted Zodd to tango with the Emperor of Terror, he'd have sent him along with those other flying apostles.

Yeah, it looks like he's on to something else, at least for now. Otherwise he'd be leading the assault. :zodd:

Zodd's too important to risk losing in a suicidal mission as buzzing around Ganishka like the shit he is.

Well, I don't think it'd be suicide for Zodd. Guts could take the lightning without dying and Locus didn't seem too concerned with it in Wyndham, so I think Zodd could get around. Now he would obviously be at a disadvantage and we don't know what other trick Ganishka might have up his sleeve, so it's probably safer for him not to rush in. The apostles attacking Ganishka will likely only distract him for a while though, so Zodd could always intervene for some reason, who knows. I'm just going by the cool factor here.

He's better off killing the dakas/pishachas in the city along with the other land-bound apostles. I don't think he'll meet Guts though, as he doesn't seem to have any busy on the end of town, either.

For now it doesn't look like he'll be meeting the group (although they haven't even started moving yet so he has time to get to the harbor or anywhere else), but I'm not sure he's really better off slaughtering Daka... I mean, it's a waste of his talent! :zodd: I'd like to see him take on a Makara though, just for fun.

I'm glad you mentioned Irvine, as I think his skills can hasten the Kushan defeat in Vritanis (Ganishka's forces don't seem to have the delicate skills/stealth that archers have, favoring smokescreens, terror and overwhelming force to get by).

I think the tigers in the fog were pretty good with stealth and all that, but yeah, I'd like him to play a major role in this battle. Besides he's got a revenge to take on Ganishka for what happened in Vritannis, and we know he's in the vicinity (unlike Grunberd, Rakshas or Locus who could be elsewhere). Plus I don't know, I just have this fantasy of him shooting Daiba down from a mile away, I can't get it out of my head. As for his apostle form, well, he might already be up there with all the other flying ones, you just have to guess which one he is. :void:

Speaking of Griffith, I wonder what exactly he plans to do next. Does anyone think he'll make a direct discourse with Ganishka? Perhaps even show Ganishka who'se boss with an actual display of his supernatural powers?

Could be, it's hard to predict. What's sure is that while I don't think the war will end there and then, at some point Ganishka will have to start losing battles, and that might be the first one on the list. The real unknown for now is how they'll get rid of Ganishka in his fog form, as he's the main problem for them right now IMHO.

Or will it be just him commanding from the city hall with the Holy See generals and nobles maybe even flaunting Princess Charlotte with him to a stunned Owen/Midland nobility?

Haha yeah, arriving with Charlotte and the Pontiff would definitely be quite something, they'd call him king without even noticing it. I wonder if Owen or anyone else would tell him about Guts, but if they did that'd definitely be interesting to see.


PS: Oh yeah, something I've been thinking about for quite a while... I think Azan may very well just be sleeping on Roderick's ship (or the rowboat they'll use to get to it, but I think I already posted about that once), and will awaken only to find the ship sailing at large after having slept through the whole battle at Vritannis. Just some random idea. :guts:

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #135 on: June 12, 2006, 06:13:03 AM »
Well, I think everything's been more or less said, so thanks for the episode.  I've been pretty lazy with coloring for the past, er, half a year or so, so to express my gratitude I'll get to work again.

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #136 on: June 12, 2006, 11:59:17 AM »
Just realized something..
If Ganishka is made out of fog how are the flying apostles supposed to hurt him??
Hmm... Sounds like a divertion manouver, as in Suicide Mission...
But why?
The Hawk's General's wont have any difficulties in killing the Pishacha, the most "dangerous" foe of the Hawks would be the Makara.. But Guts has killed most of them as Ganishka says to Daiba (see previous episode).

So what's the point of this?
My guess is that Griffith wants Guts to escape, more than that he wants to save Guts! Remember this?

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #137 on: June 12, 2006, 01:08:35 PM »
Just realized something..
If Ganishka is made out of fog how are the flying apostles supposed to hurt him??
Hmm... Sounds like a divertion manouver, as in Suicide Mission...
But why?
IMHO it will not be a suicide mission because ,unlike the time in Wyndham, they're here to stay, so there is little point in distraction. Since we (or at least I) know little about the nature of Ganishka's fog manifestation, it is hard to guess wether or not there is a way of "dispelling" it. However, I'm enclined to believe that Locus' mission was meant not just as a divertion but also reconnaissance to gauge the emperor's ability, therefor it is possible that we will see further demonstration of some of Griffith's strenghts. This is, afterall, a perfect time to introduce himself as a saviour, possibly with the help of the Pontiff  interpreting him to be the manifestation of everyone's dream.
In that sense providing Guts and Co. with a window of opportunity would be accidental, since I'm not sure he is aware of their presence in the city.
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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #138 on: June 12, 2006, 01:36:41 PM »
The Hawk's General's wont have any difficulties in killing the Pishacha, the most "dangerous" foe of the Hawks would be the Makara..

You're indirectly raising an interesting point here: the fact that the Pishacha & Daka aren't much of a deal to the apostle army (especially if they're not vastly outnumbering them) and that Ganishka himself will be the biggest hindrance to their victory. It looks like the result of the entire battle will depend on how they handle him.

IMHO it will not be a suicide mission because ,unlike the time in Wyndham, they're here to stay, so there is little point in distraction. Since we (or at least I) know little about the nature of Ganishka's fog manifestation, it is hard to guess wether or not there is a way of "dispelling" it.

Well, I think fuxberg has a point here... Sure, we don't really know how the fog works so the Hawks could strike its weak point (assuming it has one), but I'm still dubious as to how the apostles we've seen are supposed to damage it. Should the jellyfish apostle absorb it or something? Anyway, they're bound to suffer heavy casualties IMHO, so I don't think the term of "suicide mission" is too exaggerated and I don't think we should exclude the idea of a short diversion like what happened in Wyndham either (basically just occupying Ganishka for a while). The key point you raised would be "why the need to distract him?" Maybe so some other group can strike his mysterious weak point. :guts:

In that sense providing Guts and Co. with a window of opportunity would be accidental, since I'm not sure he is aware of their presence in the city.

Yeah, I don't think it was planned at all. For all we know Griffith ignores that Guts is in town.

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #139 on: June 12, 2006, 02:20:24 PM »
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Well, I think fuxberg has a point here... Sure, we don't really know how the fog works so the Hawks could strike its weak point (assuming it has one), but I'm still dubious as to how the apostles we've seen are supposed to damage it. Should the jellyfish apostle absorb it or something? Anyway, they're bound to suffer heavy casualties IMHO, so I don't think the term of "suicide mission" is too exaggerated and I don't think we should exclude the idea of a short diversion like what happened in Wyndham either (basically just occupying Ganishka for a while). The key point you raised would be "why the need to distract him?" Maybe so some other group can strike his mysterious weak point. Guts
I agree that casualties will be high, and that they probably cant hurt The Fog, but they sure can try (gotta love the idea of a jellyfish attack :guts:). Also, interesting point about the other forces doing the damage, it is conceivable that Ganishka uses some sort of medium to manifest himself, or a of group of divinators (so to speak), like the ones controlling the Pishacha, so there might room for that sort of attack.Anyway, I'm still not convinced that Griffith can afford (or that he'd like) to lose that many troops, especially apostles, since Ganishka'a land force is approaching, and I have a feeling there's got to be more than Daka and Pishacha in it.

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #140 on: June 12, 2006, 08:07:01 PM »
PS: Oh yeah, something I've been thinking about for quite a while... I think Azan may very well just be sleeping on Roderick's ship (or the rowboat they'll use to get to it, but I think I already posted about that once), and will awaken only to find the ship sailing at large after having slept through the whole battle at Vritannis. Just some random idea. :guts:

I can definitely see something like that coming to pass.  As has been said many times, Miura included Azan's brief appearances for a reason.  We'll just have to wait and see how he ends up hooking up with Guts' and company (I'm assuming that's the side he's most likely going to join, since Miura did have that one picture of him with the current group back in 2001).

Also, interesting point about the other forces doing the damage, it is conceivable that Ganishka uses some sort of medium to manifest himself, or a of group of divinators (so to speak), like the ones controlling the Pishacha, so there might room for that sort of attack.

I had a similar idea.  Perhaps there's another powerful caster, or a large group of them, nearby.  Afterall, the fog has to be coming from somewhere, right?  So yeah, I can definitely see Zodd bum-rushing 'em. :zodd:

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #141 on: June 12, 2006, 08:20:50 PM »
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S: Oh yeah, something I've been thinking about for quite a while... I think Azan may very well just be sleeping on Roderick's ship (or the rowboat they'll use to get to it, but I think I already posted about that once), and will awaken only to find the ship sailing at large after having slept through the whole battle at Vritannis. Just some random idea. Guts

I can definitely see something like that coming to pass.  As has been said many times, Miura included Azan's brief appearances for a reason.  We'll just have to wait and see how he ends up hooking up with Guts' and company (I'm assuming that's the side he's most likely going to join, since Miura did have that one picture of him with the current group back in 2001
IMHO Guts' present state simply begs for Azan's appearance. Its unlikely Guts will be able to do much in the way of moving fast, which is required given the state of affairs. Plus, I just don't see anyone else who'd be able to carry him, and do a little fighting on the side  :guts:. Also I'm itching to see what happend to him after the Occultation.

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #142 on: June 12, 2006, 10:27:14 PM »
I doubt that Ganishka requires "casters" to appear but.. You know Miura.. :miura:
But seriously im just eager for the next episode to see how Guts will escape and how the attack of the flying apostles will "slow down" Ganishka.
Probably Griffith will make an appearance with the Pontiff while overseeing the battle. Maybe the Apostles are just holding back Ganishka for the time being so that Griffith can somehow confront Ganishka..

PS: I'd love to know how Ganishka is able to "resist" Griffith's.. Hmm.. Charm?  :badbone: Peraphs Ganishka's wish was to be supreme ruler but... Isnt that too much to ask for the common Apostle? (ex-Beherit carrier)

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #143 on: June 12, 2006, 11:11:04 PM »
I agree that casualties will be high, and that they probably cant hurt The Fog, but they sure can try

Of course, that doesn't mean they won't be slaughtered though. :void:

Also, interesting point about the other forces doing the damage, it is conceivable that Ganishka uses some sort of medium to manifest himself, or a of group of divinators (so to speak), like the ones controlling the Pishacha, so there might room for that sort of attack.

Yeah, I'd hate to be right about that again (:P), but I think it's probable. If there's fog in Wyndham and fog in Vritannis and that Ganishka can appear at will in both places I think he needs some kind of relay. Whether it's a bunch of Kushan casters or something else has yet to be seen, but it's the most plausible possibility to me right now. They're probably in a boat hidden somewhere (I'd even say a submarine but that'd be a bit too much) and protected by Makara. If that's the case sea based apostles could do the job. Anyway it'd also be interesting to see where the fog originated from and how they "summoned" it and deployed it all over the town.

Anyway, I'm still not convinced that Griffith can afford (or that he'd like) to lose that many troops, especially apostles, since Ganishka'a land force is approaching, and I have a feeling there's got to be more than Daka and Pishacha in it.

The problem is that he may not have the choice. I stopped thinking Griffith would obliterate Ganishka with a flick of the hand ever since episode 235 personally. He's a force to be reckoned with and Griffith will lose men when battling him no matter what he does. Concerning the evasive land general, I imagine his troops (whatever they may be) would come as a breath of fresh air for Ganishka right now, but since we haven't seen anything about it yet I won't speculate too much about their role. Their arrival could signify the beginning of the real battle, but they could as well already have been destroyed at the Hawks' hands.

As has been said many times, Miura included Azan's brief appearances for a reason.  We'll just have to wait and see how he ends up hooking up with Guts' and company

Yeah, the question is really just how his reappearance will take place, because there's no doubt we'll see him again soon. As for hooking up with the group, while that picture is obsolete now, I still think it's what's most likely to happen, and honestly it'd be a huge letdown for me if it didn't. Azan's awesome and I want him teaming up with Isidro (Pippin and Rickert?), or doing anything as long as he kicks ass with the group. :guts:

IMHO Guts' present state simply begs for Azan's appearance. Its unlikely Guts will be able to do much in the way of moving fast, which is required given the state of affairs. Plus, I just don't see anyone else who'd be able to carry him, and do a little fighting on the side

I'm not sure he'll require to be carried away, he still seems under the effects of the armor (i.e. he's not visibly agonizing). Besides he'll have to get back to the shore first and he'll have to do it alone or with Serpico's help, in which case Serpico could always help him get to the boat afterwards (not carrying him but letting him lean or something like that). Or maybe they'll just end up carrying him anyway, managing it somehow.

I doubt that Ganishka requires "casters" to appear but.. You know Miura..

Well, it's logical to assume he needs some kind of relay to appear remotely over long distances, otherwise he'd be quasi-omnipresent. It doesn't mean he's being invoked like in a game, it's just that he'd use the pawns he bestowed power onto (that have some of his fog inside them) to materialize himself without being physically there. Now there's also something else we've yet to know, it's whether he can literally teleport himself using that technique (move his real body from a place to another) or just project his fog form.

I'd love to know how Ganishka is able to "resist" Griffith's.. Hmm.. Charm?  :badbone: Peraphs Ganishka's wish was to be supreme ruler but... Isnt that too much to ask for the common Apostle?

I think it's really just a matter of will. To use an analogy Puck likes to make, it's like if apostles were cats and Griffith had catnip growing out of his body. They just feel impelled to serve him for a number of reasons (it hasn't been completely/clearly explicated yet). Anyway I like that Ganishka told Guts that almost every apostle in the world is serving Griffith. That means there might be a few other rebellious ones like him and that we might see in the future. It also makes me wonder how many apostles there are in the Demon Army. We didn't have clear numbers before but it seemed reasonable to assume it was less than a thousand, but now that Ganishka said so, I wonder if more apostles didn't join Griffith over time or if we've really seen them all yet.

Back to Ganishka's unusual attitude, there's also the fact that most of these apostles seem to be rather uneducated, so they follow their instinct in serving Griffith, whereas Ganishka is a sorcerer and knows more about the depths of the world. Which brings me to the fact that yes, Ganishka wants to be a supreme ruler. It's not a past desire, he still wants to rule everything (he even said so in this episode), and that's the reason he opposes Griffith. He's not a common apostle either, unlike most of them who got all their power from the God Hand, he's an emperor, he uses magic and his status of apostle is but one part of his array of abilities. I think this is also important in understanding why he opposes Griffith.

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #144 on: June 13, 2006, 03:02:02 PM »
I think it's really just a matter of will. To use an analogy Puck likes to make, it's like if apostles were cats and Griffith had catnip growing out of his body. They just feel impelled to serve him for a number of reasons (it hasn't been completely/clearly explicated yet). Anyway I like that Ganishka told Guts that almost every apostle in the world is serving Griffith. That means there might be a few other rebellious ones like him and that we might see in the future. It also makes me wonder how many apostles there are in the Demon Army. We didn't have clear numbers before but it seemed reasonable to assume it was less than a thousand, but now that Ganishka said so, I wonder if more apostles didn't join Griffith over time or if we've really seen them all yet.

That statement reminds me of something I brought up way back in a post...(couldn't find it). About questioning whether or not Apostles feel regret for making that certain sacrifice at the certain weak moment. My point is like Aaz pointed out, what if we haven't seen other Apostles who aren't follwing Griffith...is it possible that some Apostles regret what they have become and that's why they don't follow Griffith? I don't think it's a far fetched notion...I'm not sayin they all do, but one or 2?

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #145 on: June 13, 2006, 03:05:23 PM »
is it possible that some Apostles regret what they have become

In theory it's not impossible. We've had examples of apostles showing some form of remorse in the past (usually as they're dying though).

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #146 on: June 13, 2006, 03:11:56 PM »
Now to take it to the far fetched level. Do you think (u can slap me for this) Guts under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES would fight along side an Apostle? Suppose Guts was in a HUGE jam; Skully was occupied with Zodd, the moonchild was at Vritannis daycare, and out of nowhere an anti-Griffith apostle came in and saved the day. You think Guts would just say "Thanks" and swing his sword and cleave the Apostle in 2 based on principle, or hesitate? I kno it sounds cheesy, just try to understand my point.

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #147 on: June 13, 2006, 03:15:10 PM »
Now to take it to the far fetched level. Do you think (u can slap me for this) Guts under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES would fight along side an Apostle? Suppose Guts was in a HUGE jam; Skully was occupied with Zodd, the moonchild was at Vritannis daycare, and out of nowhere an anti-Griffith apostle came in and saved the day. You think Guts would just say "Thanks" and swing his sword and cleave the Apostle in 2 based on principle, or hesitate? I know it sounds cheesy, just try to understand my point.
It seems unlikely... he might use an apostle to his advanced in a melee, i.e. dodging an attack to let it cleave another apostle in two... but giving an assist? Sorry mate, I just can't picture it :puck:

The question is really just how his reappearance will take place, because there's no doubt we'll see him again soon. As for hooking up with the group, while that picture is obsolete now, I still think it's what's most likely to happen, and honestly it'd be a huge letdown for me if it didn't. Azan's awesome and I want him teaming up with Isidro (Pippin and Rickert?), or doing anything as long as he kicks ass with the group. :guts:
Perhaps he sneaked aboard the ship and fell asleep during the entire thing? :troll:

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #148 on: June 13, 2006, 04:11:02 PM »
Now to take it to the far fetched level. Do you think (u can slap me for this) Guts under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES would fight along side an Apostle?

I don't think he would if he had any kind of choice. If it was that or certain death for him and his friends though... Who knows?

Suppose Guts was in a HUGE jam; Skully was occupied with Zodd, the moonchild was at Vritannis daycare, and out of nowhere an anti-Griffith apostle came in and saved the day. You think Guts would just say "Thanks" and swing his sword and cleave the Apostle in 2 based on principle, or hesitate?

What a question man... I'll just say that I doubt this will ever happen.

Perhaps he sneaked aboard the ship and fell asleep during the entire thing?

No way?! :troll:

PS: Oh yeah, something I've been thinking about for quite a while... I think Azan may very well just be sleeping on Roderick's ship (or the rowboat they'll use to get to it, but I think I already posted about that once), and will awaken only to find the ship sailing at large after having slept through the whole battle at Vritannis.

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Re: Episode 275
« Reply #149 on: June 13, 2006, 04:37:58 PM »
ZOMG! THAT'S SO WEIRD :isidro:

And kind of embarrassing...