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Suspects of serial killings
« on: August 04, 2006, 06:45:33 PM »
This morning the tactical units from Phoenix and Mesa police arrested this two suspects to be the "serial shooter". There is still another serial killer on the loose. That one is called the "Baseline raper" Since May of 2005 they have been commited about 40 crimes combined and 10 deaths at least. here's a link of todays Phoenix newspaper about the serial shooters arrest.
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0804shooter-ON.html
I also found this other link that shows a map of where they have attacked
http://www.azcentral.com/flash/0713.serial_shooter/0713serialshooter.html
« Last Edit: August 04, 2006, 06:53:40 PM by Th3Branded0ne »

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Re: Suspects of serial killings
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2006, 07:59:13 PM »
"Baseline raper"

That would make a great title for a Japanese porn game. There's probably already one called like that actually. They call him the "Baseline Killer" in the article you linked though.

There really seems to be quite a lot more of serial killers in the USA than in Europe, must be pretty distressing.

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Re: Supects of serial killings
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2006, 08:02:50 PM »
Yeah in the link is that name, in the news I saw it as "Baseline Raper" Because he has attacked mostly on Baseline Road. I have seen alot of cops on the streets and even neighborhood watch scouts around the city with uniforms and all their equipment. FBI agents and all the criminal scene I wouldn't picture here. Hopefully, it ends soon.

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Re: Supects of serial killings
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2006, 03:39:29 AM »
There really seems to be quite a lot more of serial killers in the USA than in Europe,

See, we have more. We're better.

You Europeans had Jack the Ripper. Way cooler than any of our lame Ted Bundy's or whatever.

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Re: Supects of serial killings
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2006, 03:44:07 AM »
That would make a great title for a Japanese porn game. There's probably already one called like that actually. They call him the "Baseline Killer" in the article you linked though.

There really seems to be quite a lot more of serial killers in the USA than in Europe, must be pretty distressing.

Nah, there're plenty of serial killers in Europe too. Ever heard of Chikatilo? Here's a Wiki article about him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Chikatilo
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Re: Suspects of serial killings
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2006, 03:51:45 AM »
Nah, there're plenty of serial killers in Europe too.

I don't think it's on the same scale. There were/are two serial killers in Phoenix, just one US city, this year. How many in Europe? And when I say Europe I really mean the European Union, sorry, I don't include Russia.

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Re: Supects of serial killings
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2006, 06:50:58 AM »
It's all this pornography and violent video games turning the chilrens minds into the devil.  That's what a preacher told me, so it must be true.

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Re: Supects of serial killings
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2006, 10:17:10 AM »
I don't think it's on the same scale. There were/are two serial killers in Phoenix, just one US city, this year. How many in Europe? And when I say Europe I really mean the European Union, sorry, I don't include Russia.

I remember reading an article [cant find it], but it was done by a former FBI serial killer investigator. He mentioned most of the myths about serial killers and at one point mentioned that there are more serial killers in any given area then ever mentioned. It all depends on how law enforcement handle it. For instance there could be over 800 serial killers in the US and EU all together but US cities would mention 20 of them while the EU would only mention 1.

I'm not saying the EU has more just that their law enforcement could not be mentioning it if they have more.

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Re: Supects of serial killings
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2006, 12:12:01 AM »
I'm not saying the EU has more just that their law enforcement could not be mentioning it if they have more.

You could say the same about the US, so your whole point is kinda moot unless you have a theory about why they are mentioned less in Europe. A quick Google search shows that "The United States produces more serial killers than any other country. ... Up to 85% of the world's serial killers are in America."

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Re: Supects of serial killings
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2006, 12:41:32 AM »
You could say the same about the US, so your whole point is kinda moot unless you have a theory about why they are mentioned less in Europe. A quick Google search shows that "The United States produces more serial killers than any other country. ... Up to 85% of the world's serial killers are in America."
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Re: Supects of serial killings
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2006, 02:01:51 AM »
I don't think it's on the same scale. There were/are two serial killers in Phoenix, just one US city, this year. How many in Europe? And when I say Europe I really mean the European Union, sorry, I don't include Russia.

While it's impossible to completely compare countries, I found this to be interesting:

http://www.tinyvital.com/BlogArchives/000220.html

You Europeans had Jack the Ripper. Way cooler than any of our lame Ted Bundy's or whatever.

That's not true... We had Ed Gein.  Nobody beats him.  :troll:

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Re: Suspects of serial killings
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2006, 02:39:38 AM »
I found this to be interesting

No offense, but it sounds like bullshit to me. EDIT: Actually, reading what's at the end (unavailable sources, plus the comments), it's clearly bullshit IMO.

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Re: Supects of serial killings
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2006, 03:43:55 AM »
it's clearly bullshit

Actually, it's very accurate... However, if one were inclined to preach against the facts at any cost, you could say that the numbers are lower because the original poster of those facts was excluding the "inner city blacks" because he felt that their subculture didn't represent "our" culture. (I can agree and disagree with that, depending on the point given.)  Of course, if you're against the U.S.'s lower crime rate stance, you'd include it.  If you're for the U.S.'s lower crime rate stance you'd exclude it.  Either way you're just using ignorance to provide bliss (either to give yourself a reason to think your culture/location is better than the U.S. and thus safe or to say that this obvious problem, intercity violence, doesn't effect the U.S. or isn't a part of it's culture).  Both sides stress ignoring the real problems and both sides are wrong.

Of course, in the end it all boils down to what one considers safe.  Some consider a place to be safe because they have less gun-related crimes.  Some consider a place to be safe because they don't have riots.  Some consider a place to be safe because they don't have genocides.  It's just a matter of perception.

I know the U.S. has higher crime rates than Europe... (Actually, Poland has a higher crime rate, LOL)... But then again, look at why.  We're a huge country, both geographically and demographically, and a melting pot of world cultures.

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Re: Suspects of serial killings
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2006, 04:08:28 AM »
Actually, it's very accurate...

The supposed source (Interpol) is unavailable and only accessible by police officers or affiliated people, so how can you verify it?

However, if one were inclined to preach against the facts at any cost, you could say that the numbers are lower because the original poster of those facts was excluding the "inner city blacks" because he felt that their subculture didn't represent "our" culture.

Preach against the facts? Isn't that rather preaching in favor of the facts, as opposed to that blog's incredibly biased (to the point where it becomes humorous) article? You see, your country is geographically defined for these matters. Crimes that occur within the USA and involve US residents are to be considered in those numbers. This is one of the reasons that article is bullshit. Statistics can say anything as long as you want them to, but that involves being voluntarily deceitful, and it's the case here.

Of course, if you're against the U.S.'s lower crime rate stance, you'd include it.

Don't be ridiculous, it's not a matter of being against or for something. It's a recension of crimes in a defined geographical zone, it should be objective. That article you linked isn't objective and while pretending to, isn't trying to be. That's its problem.

either to give yourself a reason to think your culture/location is better than the U.S.

I don't see how crime rates are supposed to indicate that a country's culture is good or bad. Seems rather irrelevant to me. It does affect the quality of life, but that's not something you can really argue against. People from San Jose are probably less stressed at night than people from Detroit, and really, that's logical.

I know the U.S. has higher crime rates than Europe...

Good, then there's no reason to discuss this any further. Trying to deny the high crime rates in the USA is not only vain but laughable as well. That's just how it is, for many -often complex- reasons, and it's not like it damages the country's dignity or whatever else some people may be thinking. Also, crime rates are pretty vague, I'd rather go by homicide rates.

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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2006, 06:01:38 AM »
I agree with just about everything you said in your last post so I don't see any point in quoting you. The souce linked doesn't even define the meaning of the crime stats, and without that information it's almost useless. Second: innercity black culture isn't part of American Society in what way? I find that a bit offensivel. Crime is still crime and if it happens on American soil it is a crime in America, wheather or not the perpetrators are representive of our culture. Most serial killers are white - but I don't think that they are a valid reperesentation of our culture - so why not exclude them. I could see someone arguing that something such as the the London Subway and Madrid rail bombing or even the death toll of Sept. 11th (an incident where a relatively large group of people were killed) are not truely reperesentive of each nations crime rate as the death tolls (if viewed as individual criminal counts) would skew the scales away from the norm. The logic seems flawed in that argument, and it casts everything else that site states into the realm of highly suspect.

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Re: Suspects of serial killings
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2006, 02:01:26 PM »
I agree with just about everything you said in your last post so I don't see any point in quoting you. The souce linked doesn't even define the meaning of the crime stats, and without that information it's almost useless. Second: innercity black culture isn't part of American Society in what way? I find that a bit offensivel. Crime is still crime and if it happens on American soil it is a crime in America, wheather or not the perpetrators are representive of our culture. Most serial killers are white - but I don't think that they are a valid reperesentation of our culture - so why not exclude them. I could see someone arguing that something such as the the London Subway and Madrid rail bombing or even the death toll of Sept. 11th (an incident where a relatively large group of people were killed) are not truely reperesentive of each nations crime rate as the death tolls (if viewed as individual criminal counts) would skew the scales away from the norm. The logic seems flawed in that argument, and it casts everything else that site states into the realm of highly suspect.

It was all in jest, my friend.  All in jest.  I actually came upon it while I was trying to find Europe's crime rate.  I thought it'd be cute and so I put it here.  :serpico:

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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2006, 07:44:15 PM »
Well its like how Canada has just as much or more fire-arms than the U.S but the crime rate is almost non-existent.

And here we are, killing each-other every day.
Doesnt make a whole lot of sense....

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Re: Suspects of serial killings
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2006, 02:38:26 AM »
Two factors are very important for a serial killer to commit multiple murders-mobility and anonymity.

       The first is rather easy in the U.S. Automobiles are widely available at prices ranging from a few hundred dollars to a few hundred thousand. The Interstate Highway system also helps people move from state to state quickly. Anonymity is also common in a country as large as the U.S., where some states are the size of a nation in Europe.

Of course, without the ability to commit more than one murder, they couldn't be called 'serial' killers, could they?
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