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Was I being too subtle? ::)Vaxillus said:I git the feeling you're trying to tell us something...but what could it be...
Anyway, some shops have Vol. 7 now. ;D
Was I being too subtle? ::)Vaxillus said:I git the feeling you're trying to tell us something...but what could it be...
Mormegil said:Hey guys. I'm new here. :)
I can't believe they pushed the release date back again! It won't be at Borders for a while. For some reason, it takes about 3-4 weeks for me.
Does anyone happen to know the reason for volume 7's delay? Chris Warner posts every now and then on the Dark Horse forums, so I asked him in one of the threads, but he ignored me. ;D
The bi-monthly release would be a great thing, but Warner gave some valid and good reasons why he feels it shouldn't happen...yet.
Some of his reasons were:
If Berserk were to change to a bi-monthly or even a monthly release, we would catch up to Japan in a short amount of time, and their release schedule would be thrown off considering Kentarou Miura puts out two volumes a year.
Also, DH wants Berserk to last a long, long time. I don't blame them. Berserk is doing remarkably well, as it should be.
DarthVenom, be sure to tell us how Volume 7 is, and I really hope there aren't too many cut off words this time. My copy of 6 had a lot.
Although this is a totally unrelated topic,"Japan" has been licensed.
http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=10-701
Same deal as King Of Wolves; Miura did the art and Buronson created the story.
Mormegil said:Hey guys. I'm new here.
Mormegil said:The bi-monthly release would be a great thing, but Warner gave some valid and good reasons why he feels it shouldn't happen...yet.
Mormegil said:Although this is a totally unrelated topic,"Japan" has been licensed.
http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/profile.php?sku=10-701
Same deal as King Of Wolves; Miura did the art and Buronson created the story.
Heh. I do agree with you.Rhombaad said:I can understand their reasoning behind wanting Berserk to last a long, long time but at the rate it's going now, I'll be an old man by the time they're finished here in the States. :-\
Yeah, it's honestly the only thing I agree with him about. He gave excuses for all the printing problems throughout the volumes. (We all remember Volume 5)Aazealh said:Yeah, I think some member talked about that already, or maybe posted a link. The guy's point is debatable but understandable, as you said.
The trim on berserk has always been a difficult issue. The occasional bad trim on artwork is often out of our hands, due to the files we receive, which have very little margin for trim. When combined with the limitations of printing presses and binderies and the number of bleed images (images that go right to the edge of the page) in the books, bad trims are inevitable. Printing is an inexact science, since paper moves very quickly through presses and the printed area isn't always exactly where it should be on individual sheets or groups of sheets. If the image is offset by even an eighth of an inch, you can get a bad trim. Then you have the binding and trimming process itrself, and that too can cause pages to shift. You can look at a set of pages laid out in a graphics program, and you'll see every page number and bottom panel line lining up straight as an arrow throughout the book--but when you then examine the printed book, you'll see quite a bit of variance, more on some presses and formats than on others. There's nothing we can do about that varaince.
Actually, if you look at the original volumes, you also see quite a few bad trims. I haven't seen Berserk serialized, and I don't know if there are some slight differences in trim proportions from those volumes to the smaller collected editions or if it's just a matter of Miura not paying enough attention to trim when he's creating his pages. As a guy who's drawn and edited a lot of comics pages, I can say that it's easy to make those kind of mistakes, especially when you produce such a large volume of pages.
One of the other logistical problems is that we have very little time to look over proofs from the printer before the books are printed. Usually, we have to turn those around same day, and those proofs have to cycle though several different departments. Again, it's just one of those things. We try to go back and fix all the stuff that slips through before we go back for new printings, but that's little consolation to those who've already bought the book. If you notice an error in one of the books, feel free to email me and let me know (chrisw@darkhorse.com). If we can, we'll fix the problem on the next printing.
Oh, you've read it before, Aazealh? It really doesn't sound too impressive; nonetheless, I'll still probably pick it up.Aazealh said:The crappy story. ;D
Mormegil said:Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't noticed any trims on the original volumes, or anything nearly as noticeable in DH's copies. I just feel they should treat Berserk with more respect and pay better attention to the printing.
Mormegil said:Oh, you've read it before, Aazealh?
Wow! I really can't believe that. It took Korea about 2-3 months to release volumes 1-7 while DH took a nice snail pace of about 2 years with printing problems included.Aazealh said:when Berserk was released in Korea, volumes came out almost every week at first, and the quality was nearly perfect compared to the original. Of course, Korea is very close to Japan, but still, it makes you wonder.
Haha. Too late. :'(Aazealh said:Here's an anecdote, please don't cry
Lucky them. It would be nice of DH to include the Lost Episode in volume 13, but they would probably need Miura's consent.Aazealh said:Another fun fact: years before Berserk was officially published in Korea, it was available in "pirated" illegal volumes (made from the Young Animal episodes). And I don't mean scanlations or anything, but real printed and bound volumes. Of course, that stopped when official releasing started, but these guys had a volume 13 with the Lost Episode in it
Look at it this way, the volumes are being translated slightly faster tha Miura takes to write them, so in about five years or so, we may have caught up. ::)Mormegil said:Wow! I really can't believe that. It took Korea about 2-3 months to release volumes 1-7 while DH took a nice snail pace of about 2 years with printing problems included.
Mormegil said:Wow! I really can't believe that. It took Korea about 2-3 months to release volumes 1-7 while DH took a nice snail pace of about 2 years with printing problems included.
Mormegil said:Lucky them. It would be nice of DH to include the Lost Episode in volume 13, but they would probably need Miura's consent.
Mormegil said:Anyway, thanks for these very cool facts.
Mormegil said:Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't noticed any trims on the original volumes, or anything nearly as noticeable in DH's copies. I just feel they should treat Berserk with more respect and pay better attention to the printing.
$3 a volume?! Again, lucky them. ;DAazealh said:PS: Ah yeah, just to add to the fun, the volumes are cheaper in Korea than in Japan (same thing for the PS2 game), so each volume is approximately $3 or so.
It's almost like he's trying to say printing is equivalent in difficulty to rocket science. ::)TheSkyTraveller said:Oh, boo hoo hoo! My job is sooo hard! Feh. Dark Horse isn't even doing the translating; Digital Manga is. Dark Horse's only job is to print and release the volumes, and here the editor is complaining about it. He talks about how little time they have to check out the proofs...well, I realize everyone has a schedule, but considering printing is the most important job they have to do, I think they should put a little more time and effort into it. I know printing can be tough when it comes to matching color and value. Hell, I've had some work print like crap, occassionally. You never get the same thing printed the same way twice. But it seems like DH has had so many problems with the trim, and that just seems weird to me. I don't have any other domestic release manga with that problem, not even other DH releases. I just wish they could get it right for Berserk. It's a shame.
Exactly. His statement is rude and disrespectful but like Aazealh said, the average reader wouldn't know any better and assume it's true. Chris Warner is just throwing excuses around.TheSkyTraveller said:I've never noticed bad trim on the Japanese volumes either, Mormegil. But he's just shifting the blame anyway, look what he said about Miura:
"I haven't seen Berserk serialized, and I don't know if there are some slight differences in trim proportions from those volumes to the smaller collected editions or if it's just a matter of Miura not paying enough attention to trim when he's creating his pages."
Way to show respect for the creator, man.
::)
Sounds like what my Econ teacher said. He bought a baseball cap in Mexico for 7 pesos. It was a good quality cap, and would easily sell for $20 in the US. Not sure why they're cheaper in Korea, but everything costs way more than it should in the US, since we're the world's #1 consumers. Makes me want to move to Canada.Aazealh said:PS: Ah yeah, just to add to the fun, the volumes are cheaper in Korea than in Japan (same thing for the PS2 game), so each volume is approximately $3 or so.
TheSkyTraveller said:Dark Horse's only job is to print and release the volumes, and here the editor is complaining about it. He talks about how little time they have to check out the proofs...well, I realize everyone has a schedule, but considering printing is the most important job they have to do, I think they should put a little more time and effort into it.
TheSkyTraveller said:Way to show respect for the creator, man. ::)
Mormegil said:It's almost like he's trying to say printing is equivalent in difficulty to rocket science. ::)
Vaxillus said:everything costs way more than it should in the US, since we're the world's #1 consumers. Makes me want to move to Canada.
The original covers are amazing looking, plus, you can remove them.KuroiKenshin said:Honestly, the original manga covers are amazing and the US ones look like they are photocopies of some Faxed color picture.
I think so. DH seems to be doing a fine job with the translation and the names are correct thus far.KuroiKenshin said:Is the translation worth getting it for?
You can just read along with the text translations found here.KuroiKenshin said:Because I really don't mind having the Japanese manga's and the Fan Scanslations.
It's honestly up to you. Even though DH is inferior to the original, it still supports Miura, like C said.KuroiKenshin said:All in all, my real question is: Is the Dark Horse version of Berserk worth spending the ?13.95? on? I mean, the Imports are only averaged at $6.50 a pop. Having that and a scanslation is far superior in my eyes. But to each his own! And for everyone who does love the DH version, I'm not ragging on you, I'm just asking your opinions. Thanks for your time guys!
KuroiKenshin said:Hey Skullnight.net friends!
KuroiKenshin said:^_^ It's about time there's a Berserk community I find, that is excellent. Thanks to EVERYONE on here for making this place a marvelous place to share info (I'll be hanging around the boards a bunch and sharing my idea's as well).