pippin22 said:We need more people like you, people with balls.
No, we need people with brains, and there's a definite lack of these.
pippin22 said:We need more people like you, people with balls.
You can't prove he has balls. That's just your opinion.pippin22 said:We need more people like you, people with balls.
Walter said:You see what I did there? I used my balls to think instead of my brain.
pippin22 said:mercs, I like you, hang around. We need more people like you, people with balls.
mercs said:thats the worst fucking post I've seen on this forum yet.
Villain said:1. Miura may have created Guts without knowing anything about Götz, but aware of the similarity between the two, I must say this would be a highly unlikely coincidence. Possible, for sure, but still highly unlikely.
Villain said:The question is: why would he lie? There are plenty of possible reasons. He might be concerned of what people think of him as an artist if they find out he has based characters on real history instead of creating them completely by himself. Or he might be worried that people would not consider Berserk original enough if they found out the main character was "borrowed" from real history. As the end of the interview implies, Miura was nervously concerned of what the audience might think of the originality of Berserk.
Villain said:Not knowing his person on psychological level
Villain said:To conclude, any one of the three alternatives mentioned above may be correct, as I have just proven.
Villain said:To claim that this issue is not debatable is sheer blind fanboyism
Villain said:I must say that attacking someone for simply daring to hint that Miura might lie is just outright stupid in my honest opinion. I think both Walter and Aazealh owe this mercs a huge apology for their intolerant behaviour. If you want intelligent people to this site, you should show them some respect.
Simon said:I think you guys are looking too far into it. Whether he lied or not, it doesn't really matter.
Aazealh said:I actually believe I know enough about the man to get an outline of his personality.
Villain said:Whether or not I'm neglecting any factors is beside the point.
Villain said:The point is that the issue raised by mercs is debatable
Villain said:If what I said above was already obvious to you, why did you claim that mercs was calling Miura a liar when he only stated that the issue was debatable?
Villain said:You obviously don't know anything about Miura on psychological level, so please don't pretend you do.
Villain said:Intolerance and agressiveness seem to be virtues around here.
Villain said:I do not mind personal insults, but I feel the level of discussion could be much better without them.
Villain said:Your previous post had no content, as you didn't even try to back any of your words up; you should concentrate on your arguments instead of childish name-calling.
That way you could perhaps earn my respect.
Aazealh said:I didn't claim he called Miura a liar, I'm starting to get bored with false accusations here buddy. Got anything worth saying or not?
Well I've read most of what he publically declared in the past 15 years as well as what a lot of people knowing him personally said about him. I think that gives me a pretty decent appreciation of his persona and general mindset.
Again my dear friend, please show me unwarranted examples of intolerance and aggressiveness, I'm curious. I mean, who's talking about "outright stupid" things here?
Well, I can't speak for Aaz, but for me, it was just pretty infuriating that someone would, as you say, weasel out of an argument by calling Miura a liar.
You should have seen this guy (mercs) follow-up shit.
Villain said:The issue that mercs raised was that it is debatable whether or not Guts is based on Götz.
Villain said:There are plenty of valid arguments
Villain said:"Therefore if you say this is debatable you are obligatorily assuming he is a liar"
Villain said:And you think that's enough to know his person on psychological level?
Villain said:Except that I've probably read all the same sources as you have
Villain said:You clearly implied he had no brains in your first post on the second page. If you meant something else, please educate me.
Villain said:Apart from that, I must admit I was more referring to this comment by Walter
Villain said:(Mercs didn't weasel out of any argument by calling Miura a liar, as he never called Miura a liar in the first place.)
Villain said:The comment of me being a hypocrite duly taken and accepted. I'll try to avoid vague insults from now on.
Villain said:As for whether or not the subject itself is worthy of a debate, I'd say this issue is far more worthy than, say, the debate about evolution vs. god - where lack of information is the major cause for debate.
Sparnage said:I wouldn't be shocked if he was based on this guy or not, however why would he lie about it? He has admitted to other historical inspirations, why wouldn't this be one of them? It's not something he could be sued for anymore than his other ideas he has admittedly been inspired by.
Aazealh said:Mercs merely revived an old topic, we didn't wait 2006 to ponder about this.
What arguments? Miura could have lied for some unknown reason you're assuming exists, or forgotten that he knew about Götz beforehand. That's your arguments? I wouldn't call that plenty, nor arguments justifying a debate, but that's up to you I guess. If you want to insist that the existence of 2 (or 3) possibilities (one which is completely speculative) suffices to make a "debate" (more like opinion tossing...) in the broad meaning of the term possible, then I can agree, but I hope you're aware it was never the question.
Hence what I said about semantics earlier. And your assumptions about Miura's possible reasons for lying are where skipping known elements hurts (what about all the sources of inspiration he cited for his work, including Guts, for example? What about his extreme humility and repeated understatements concerning Berserk's quality and his own merit over the years? Etc).
Now as I've said in my first reply to you, I'll post about this later: 1) because I don't feel like detailing and nuancing a 500 lines message right now, I shouldn't even be online. 2) Because I want to check my sources and post exact information, something that I'm apparently the only person concerned with on the Internet.
That was a simple deduction following mercs' own reasoning, pointing to him some contradictions. It wasn't a "claim" against what he repeatedly said himself, which you will notice I reminded him of later on. Mercs himself didn't take it personally but as a general statement, and I don't think there's a problem with that line actually.
What, so you mean as a psycho-therapist? How ridiculous must this get? Let's directly move to the futuristic brain extraction picture I posted then, that'll save us some time.
Sorry but I highly doubt that. Have you ever read an issue of Young Animal? Have you read Guin Saga guide books? Have you read issues of Berserk Freaks or the Hyper Maniac Mooks? The list is long, don't presume too much.
I was just replying to pippin22 and saying we needed people with brains as opposed to what he stated, that wasn't implying something about mercs in particular, although it could be interpreted like that I guess. I'm not even sure that'd be much of an insult in the context anyway...
Yeah, well I get enough of these baseless accusations to be honest so please be careful in the future, I'd sincerely appreciate it.
What's up with mercs? He's a personal friend of yours or something? I'm afraid you don't know all of the story here so you might not want to assume too much stuff. And mercs did weasel out of the discussion by deviating it on irrelevant topics (such as science...) among other things.
Thanks. Sorry for the line by line quote too, I know it's not the most enjoyable thing to read.
Are you joking? The lack of information and the willingness of some people to doubt Kentarou Miura's word is not only the major cause of "debate" here (if it must be a debate ), but the only cause of debate.
"Griffith No More!" said:Fine, agreed, I'm glad we've finally got that clearly important and shocking revelation concerning the truth about Götz and Miura out of the way. Now what's say we all put our keyboards to more constructive use?
Villain said:Very well. He re-raised this issue. Yet, it doesn't negate the existence of the issue at hand. Happy now?
Villain said:Far-fetched? Perhaps. But it is a possibility, and I would say a much likelier possibility than the suggested coincidence (alternative 1).