Berserk Manga 3
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It also felt strange that Griffith didn't show any attachment to Guts, as if he didn't acknowledging their past. He kinda just had that same apostle approach of "He's just a petty mortal..blah blah blah" and didn't really have anything personal to say to Guts.
He wasn't exactly a saint. He lived just for revenge. And as we learn in vol 3, those involved in the affairs of apostles/God Hand end up in the vortex of souls.OmegaSeamaster said:Can anyone explain why Vargas went to hell, as he seemed a pretty decent man?
Also, if you lose your individuality in the vortex of evil souls, are we to deduce that Vargas wasn't there long enough to have lost his individuality yet?
slan69 said:Who knows Theresia could possibly return as an apostle just like her daddy
Proj2501 said:I brought up the same Theresia theory. Griff made a funny sketch of it.
noni_moon said:Well, keep in mind that back then 'Griffith' was Femto. Who was a sort of manifestation of the worst part of Griffith, the purity of the evil in his heart.. and evil is merely one aspect of a person's whole.
bitterbeings said:I too enjoy this segment a lot, but I don't understand why the whole Godhand ordeal suddenly comes to an end.
bitterbeings said:It also felt strange that Griffith didn't show any attachment to Guts, as if he didn't acknowledging their past. He kinda just had that same apostle approach of "He's just a petty mortal..blah blah blah" and didn't really have anything personal to say to Guts.
noni_moon said:Well, keep in mind that back then 'Griffith' was Femto. Who was a sort of manifestation of the worst part of Griffith, the purity of the evil in his heart.. and evil is merely one aspect of a person's whole.
noni_moon said:Femto = treated Guts with intense hatred and disgust, to the point were he raped Casca in front of him just to spite him and viewed Guts as a 'useless human' and 'only good as a sacrifice'. absolutely no mention of their past relationship or even his past life as a human being.
noni_moon said:reincarnated Griffith = who and what he really are is any one's guess at this point, but one thing is made clear about him.. he is NOT merely 'Femto on earth'!
noni_moon said:let's not forget that he actually bothered to go see Guts again on the hill of swords to checks if he still had any feelings for him (acknowledging that Guts had an affect on him in the first place). Does all of this REALLY sound like something Femto might say or do??
OmegaSeamaster said:Can anyone explain why Vargas went to hell, as he seemed a pretty decent man?
OmegaSeamaster said:Also, if you lose your individuality in the vortex of evil souls, are we to deduce that Vargas wasn't there long enough to have lost his individuality yet?
Walter said:And as we learn in vol 3, those involved in the affairs of apostles/God Hand end up in the vortex of souls.
OmegaSeamaster said:I noted that too, but wasn't sure how far one had to go to be "associated."
I'm assuming Theresia for example would be destined to the vortex just by virtue of being the count's daughter, as would all of the count's victims.
seppuku said:I doubt that Theresia will make an appearance in a later volume. After Guts destroyed her world and innocence, she would have more than enough reason to dedicate the rest of her life to revenge and it would be consistent with Guts being haunted by the past. However, not many years have passed since the first eclipse (maybe around 4 years, considering the age of Guts's and Casca's child) and the series could end before Theresia is even old enough to carry out such a difficult plan. Also, a homeless, child orphan could have been killed very quickly in this criminal, political exploiter, disease, and monster infested world. In addition, Theresia's return would be nothing compared to what Guts has been through already, so it's hard to see it adding much to the story.
slan69 said:Who knows Theresia could possibly return as an apostle just like her daddy
seppuku said:I've heard that said a few times before, but I don't know how other people reached this conclusion. How do we know that Femto could not have been just been Griffith in a new body trying to escape from his feelings of powerlessness, guilt, and hurt by punishing what he thought was its primary source?
seppuku said:In Berserk, there is no better way to open up the 'Golden Age' arc than with decomposed corpses hanging off of a leafless tree and a crying baby lying in a pool of blood. In this arc, we get to see just what kind of person could become the obsessive fighter strong enough to defeat giant apostles. Ever since the age of six, Guts has had to fight for survival and to prove his worth.
seppuku said:Guts's obsession with fighting only got worse when he was raped by Donovan. It was his most traumatic experience (yet) which he couldn't escape because he was too weak.
seppuku said:The encounter completely eclipsed the worst parts of his first 9 years and became Guts's new punishment for being too weak.
seppuku said:Guts's second encounter with Slan that cleared any misconception that Guts was anywhere close to being a worthy opponent of the Godhand left him with a massive scar his upper back.
seppuku said:happening to meet people who happen to be capable fighters, healers, and witches who also want to join Guts. That type of person is quite hard to come by since most people would not want to deal with his brand.
seppuku said:I still wonder why Miura chose not to explain Guts's biological parents or why he was under a tree of corpses in the first place. He may choose to come back to this event later and reveal something shocking about Guts's origin.
seppuku said:Would anyone happen to know where the omen of a baby born from a corpse being bad luck came from?
Uhh... Griffith was transformed into a new being: Femto. And it just so happens that the process he went through involves a lot of evilness. That's about it. If you want details, check out volumes 12 and 13. Basically, Femto is a new, evil being that was born out of Griffith's old self.
I don't remember seeing Guts blame himself for having been too weak...
seppuku said:I mean that Femto was Griffith, mentally. I know that it was a different body, born of his old one.
seppuku said:It wasn't explicitly written. But Guts does hate weakness, weakness cost him the most during the eclipse, and talking specifically about weakness evoked a lot of strong, negative emotions at a time when the eclipse was practically the only thing on his mind.
seppuku said:How many people would be up for restarting these threads, but giving two weeks instead of one week since many said that they were strapped for time? If there are enough of you out there, who feels that they have the time, literary insight, and writing ability to lead these threads?
Aazealh said:Actually, Slan just tells the Count that it's what happens to those who associate with evil. And she says so to him because as an apostle he'll end up in the Vortex of Souls. It doesn't mean that everyone that's even been near an apostle will go to hell. I don't believe it would apply to Theresia for example, and someone that's been a saint all his life wouldn't end up in the Vortex either.
There is an exception to this rule however: branded people. When someone is branded by the God Hand, they are doomed regardless of who they are and what they've done.