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Title: Map of Midland
Post by: Fėndor on May 29, 2005, 03:25:48 PM
I am looking for a map of Midland.  Exists some?  Where I can find it?
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Aazealh on May 29, 2005, 03:26:26 PM
Exists some?

Nope.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Fėndor on May 29, 2005, 03:48:57 PM
then... the logo of "places" section...
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Aazealh on May 29, 2005, 03:58:54 PM
then... the logo of "places" section...

Yes? Could you please formulate complete sentences?

Anyway, if you mean the Locations section's background image in the Encyclopedia, Walter took it from something non-Berserk related, sorry.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Walter on July 25, 2005, 04:11:53 AM
then... the logo of "places" section...
Hahaha I wish. 

A map of the Berserk world (it's bigger than Midland you know...) has been discussed here a few times in the past.  THe problem with creating it is that it would be 99% fictional, having no real grounds for space or concrete distance between locations.  Countries' locations would have to be assumed based on relative landmarks (Midland in middle, Kushan Empire to the South East?)  So in the end, it's just not feasible at all, until Miura releases one himself.

Would be cool though.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: CnC on July 25, 2005, 02:52:43 PM
until actual geography comes into play in the story telling, i don't see a need to ever release a map.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Walter on July 25, 2005, 03:05:39 PM
until actual geography comes into play in the story telling, i don't see a need to ever release a map.
For us nerds  :puck:
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Alucalb on July 25, 2005, 04:48:19 PM
Yeah, other great fantasy writers like Bob Howard and Tolkien and George Martin made maps for their worlds, so Miura ought to take a crack at it.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Te Ruyu on December 09, 2005, 06:41:48 AM
Talking about that, I'd sure love to have a huge Midland map hanging on the wall of my room.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: EndlessSky on December 09, 2005, 10:31:41 PM
I don't think we really need one, but it would be a nice extra thing to have. Also I think there are other reasons for it too, I mean there could be places we do not know about yet and it would be hard to make a map with the other world realms like the troll place, that and there really is no need to make one :P.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Trashcan on December 12, 2005, 01:12:20 AM
Yeah, its not like we really need to know the relative position of the other Holy See member nations to Vrittanis. It probably wouldn't be of much help mapping Guts' journey from Godo's hut to the sea either, so just forget the map, it has no real value to the readers whatsoever.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Villain on December 22, 2005, 01:50:37 PM
While I agree that a detailed map is probably not necessary for the average reader of Berserk, I must say that for someone yearning for knowledge of this world a map might be very useful. Visualising the geographical features and relative distances between important locations would greatly help in understanding the physical aspects of the whole world of Berserk.

Just for the sake of comparison, maps were always of a very high importance for those who studied Tolkien's Middle-Earth.

-Villain
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Aazealh on December 22, 2005, 02:03:07 PM
I must say that for someone yearning for knowledge of this world a map might be very useful.

Yes, even if not vital it'd still be interesting for the fans anyway, that really isn't the question. I'm sure we'd all love to have an official and reliable map of Midland (and the rest of the Berserk world) made by Miura, but none exists at the moment.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Sparnage on December 26, 2005, 04:28:03 AM
It's possible he would rather develop the countries Blueprints through the story rather than a planned map in concrete this soon in the story. If one isn't made by the end of the story though I would be a little disappointed.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Vaxillus on January 04, 2006, 07:37:35 AM
Wouldn't it be safe to say the real world map would resemble the Berserk world map? (which would include but not specify the location of Midland)

Since much of the setting seems influenced by real history (the 100 Years War was the name of a real war, and the Kushan invasion is comparable to Europe and the Middle East's relationship), I think it's pretty safe to say such a thing.  At the very least, it's how I've always pictured the Berserk world.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Walter on January 04, 2006, 03:19:39 PM
Wouldn't it be safe to say the real world map would resemble the Berserk world map? (which would include but not specify the location of Midland)
No.

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At the very least, it's how I've always pictured the Berserk world.
You're delusional.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Aazealh on January 04, 2006, 04:33:00 PM
Wouldn't it be safe to say the real world map would resemble the Berserk world map?

Well it's possible, but definitely not "safe to say" at this point.

Since much of the setting seems influenced by real history

Some elements (I wouldn't say "much of the setting") are loosely influenced by real world history, but the correlation is really superficial.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Vaxillus on January 05, 2006, 06:25:08 AM
Ouch, cut down.  Untill I see and official map though, I'll stick to my little belief.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: spikeyhairedcadet on January 05, 2006, 07:40:05 AM
Meh I'd rather imagine how the world looks. I think it adds that much more to interpret the world then being constrained by a map.  It'll also leave Miura open to mold the world as he sees fit w/ out contradicting himself. :???: :carcus:
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Aazealh on January 05, 2006, 08:06:25 AM
Untill I see and official map though, I'll stick to my little belief.

Fine with me.

(http://aazealh.net/Divers/Map-Berserkworld.gif)

:schierke:
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: jepn30 on January 05, 2006, 08:40:21 AM
I love the beaches of Vritannis in the summer...

Seriously I would love to have a map. But I think if Miura were to do something such as that he would probably do when the world was more complete. Though I am sure Miura knows where his story is going it doesn't mean he has ironed out all the details, there is probably still quite a bit that he has yet to compose formally (though this is absolute speculation on my part, so I make no claim to actually know what Miura is up to) - if so his making a map COULD be somewhat premature. Though I am absolutely sure he would be more than capable of producing one.

(Note: I am not saying that Miura is "making this up as he goes along" since it is obvious that he has a direction he is taking this story. Which is actually one of the great pleasures of his work, it is not meant to continue indefinitely (as so many series are). Instead he is building toward a conclusion - a purposeful one.)
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: CnC on January 05, 2006, 11:58:12 AM
'Near Wyndham', my ass.  Aaz.
Thats on the other side of the country.


hilarious, btw
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Aazealh on January 05, 2006, 05:29:41 PM
'Near Wyndham', my ass.  Aaz.
Thats on the other side of the country.

It's for the sake of me being Guts in Vaxillus' Neverland. :badbone:
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: DoM on January 05, 2006, 05:44:03 PM
Yep that map is funny :p
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: HawaiianStallion on January 06, 2006, 01:12:33 AM
I guess I think like Vax. Always pictured the Berserk world that we know of as something vaguely similar to Europe. Not sure why either, just always pictured it as something similar for some reason.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: CnC on January 06, 2006, 01:16:25 AM
I guess I think like Vax. Always pictured the Berserk world that we know of as something vaguely similar to Europe. Not sure why either, just always pictured it as something similar for some reason.

But one can hope you knew better than to equate the two geographically, right?
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: HawaiianStallion on January 06, 2006, 01:20:24 AM
But one can hope you knew better than to equate the two geographically, right?

I never obviously as there are no direct relations between the races or kingdoms and the real world but just certain things like Kushans seemed to stick out and whatever.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Sparnage on January 06, 2006, 06:02:39 AM
Fine with me.

http://aazealh.net/Divers/Map-Berserkworld.gif

:schierke:

;D

Get away from there Aaz, something very bad's coming your way!
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Vaxillus on January 07, 2006, 05:55:59 AM
It's for the sake of me being Guts in Vaxillus' Neverland. :badbone:
Geez, you don't have to rub it in.  I said something like it, not a carbon copy.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: IsolatioN on January 11, 2006, 02:27:33 AM
it would be neat, though. the locations section of the encyclopedia could become just a big map of the world, and you can click on the various locations to bring up info on them :troll:
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Walter on January 11, 2006, 02:29:50 AM
it would be neat, though. the locations section of the encyclopedia could become just a big map of the world, and you can click on the various locations to bring up info on them :troll:
Cool idea, but you sort of ignored the problem of mapping the Berserk world.  How would you arrange those locations in relation to each other? Arbitrarily?
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: IsolatioN on January 11, 2006, 07:48:02 PM
yes, of course.. I meant that in a contex as if an official map of the Berserk world was to be released ;)
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: JhizakYahr on August 15, 2006, 02:19:16 PM
Supposing Miura was to draw up a BERSERK world map, and supposing this would be done in the near future, would anyone know what type of cartographic measure would be most probable for him to use? I mean, would he use a political variation or an actual geographic landform variation? Meaning, BERSERK seems like the political type map would be best for the actual story, showing boundaries and country outlines, then again, not showing the type of landform and other useful information that could benefit showing the journey different groups would've taken. The Kushan coming from their homeland, and the Bakiraka's travels.  Griffith's movements, and Guts' journey. Not to mention, what type of terrain is in between both. I think a mixture of both is in order, provided a map happens.

I've studied Tolkien's maps, and he incorporates both functions into his illustration, as do the others who are responsible for illustrating Middle-Earth and it's various realms.

Anyway, like many and, still, unlike the majority, it seems, I would love to see a map of the Berserk world. It would help to show the lengths Guts and his group has traveled and the distance groups have gone to catch up to them.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Aazealh on August 15, 2006, 03:20:56 PM
I think a mixture of both is in order, provided a map happens.

Yeah, that's a really hard conclusion to come up with. :schierke: Obviously, a full map featuring as much information as possible would be the best.

Anyway, like many and, still, unlike the majority, it seems, I would love to see a map of the Berserk world.

I don't think a lot of people would dislike seeing a map of the Berserk world. There just isn't any, no plan to make one that we know of, and no real need for one either. It'd be neat, but in the end it's Miura choice. Aside from waiting and hoping there isn't much to be done.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Dreft on August 15, 2006, 09:27:04 PM
I wonder what would happen if Miura included a map of Midland in a scene depicting, for example, Griffith and a war council (much like the one in volume 7, discussing Doldrey), with a map of Midland out of focus in some of the drawings, showing a bit of the map, but not the whole thing. I guess that would annoy a lot of people! :carcus:
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Walter on August 16, 2006, 01:51:37 AM
I wonder what would happen if Miura included a map of Midland ... out of focus... . I guess

that would annoy a lot of people! :carcus:
If we're ever shown a map, I think it will be in the aforementioned manner; something that's not the focus of the scene or panel.  Berserk isn't the story of maps (or getting on Boats, for that matter).  It's just extraneous information.  Aaz said it clearly before, if/when Miura deems it important, it will be shown.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Sanguinius on August 23, 2006, 09:36:58 PM
There is a slight possibility we might get one soon as maps are of extreme importance when navigating on the ocean, and it could be brought up during there discussions about their destination.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Scorpio on August 29, 2006, 09:54:34 AM
Well, the way I see it, a map would only limit Miura's options. I am about to get really nerdy here, but I have been a dungeon master in Dungeons & Dragons for my friends, and I created my own world for it.  Since the players, unfortunately, can interact with the world on their own, I had to draw maps for them early. This severely limits the amount of things I can toss into my campaign after it starts.  If I felt like they should run into a dragon, I cant just toss in a mountain range, the players would get angry about continuity. It's much easier to have a basic understanding of your world in your head, as you can change it to suite your needs.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Walter on August 29, 2006, 03:32:48 PM
Well, the way I see it, a map would only limit Miura's options ...  If I felt like they should run into a dragon, I cant just toss in a mountain range, the players would get angry about continuity. It's much easier to have a basic understanding of your world in your head, as you can change it to suite your needs.
It's true that without a publicly available map, Miura has more options.  However, I think that's one of the few advantages of a map actually; it would show how much Miura has planned out for the future. He's not a lazy individual, ya know.  I sincerely doubt he just "tosses in a mountain range" when he needs one. 
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Scorpio on August 29, 2006, 09:30:12 PM
I was just using that as an example and I'm not trying to say Miura is lazy either. The fact is, Miura doesnt need a map, and because of that, his job is made a little easier.  If he has an idea for something, he can have it be readily availible, and then work the world around that. This can only be done to a small extent, but Im sure Miura knows exactly what he is doing.  He probably has a map for himself, its just that he has the luxury of being able to change it a bit should he need to.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Dirty Dog on December 31, 2006, 02:20:00 PM
It's true that without a publicly available map, Miura has more options.  However, I think that's one of the few advantages of a map actually; it would show how much Miura has planned out for the future. He's not a lazy individual, ya know.  I sincerely doubt he just "tosses in a mountain range" when he needs one. 

He's the God of the Berserk world. He can throw in a mountain range whenever and whereever he damn well pleases! :puck:

Wait, does that make him the Idea of Evil? :griff:



Anyway, I don't doubt that Miura will make a map of the Berserk world for the Berserk Nerds (Berds? O_o) out there, but I think we'll have to wait until the story is complete (or nearing completion), probably another few years at least. :judo:
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: mysteltainn on July 14, 2010, 10:45:05 PM
I know this is a pretty old topic but I decided to reanimate it anways.

(http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6681/svsvsd.th.png) (http://img43.imageshack.us/i/svsvsd.png/)

It seems that the berserk world is not entirely fictional either. It's not exactly the same but retains the basic shape.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Walter on July 14, 2010, 11:16:04 PM
Yeah, I made the same assertion last year when ep 305 was out: http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=10381.msg170647#msg170647
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: mysteltainn on July 15, 2010, 11:58:23 AM
Ah, sorry. That would have been like searching for a needle in a haystack. Sorry for getting on that topic twice then.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Walter on July 15, 2010, 03:26:11 PM
Ah, sorry. That would have been like searching for a needle in a haystack.
I understand the size of our forum is daunting for new users, but it wouldn't hurt to go through some of the episode threads to see older posts. No kidding, the best AND worst stuff on our forum is in those Current Episodes threads, because that's where most of the action takes place. However, these posts only usually get read during that individual episode's release, and then get discarded and forgotten for the new stuff. Such is the way of an Internet forum  :sad:
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: mysteltainn on July 15, 2010, 05:33:07 PM
but it wouldn't hurt to go through some of the episode threads to see older posts

I'll do that next time. I didn't think of it because I read through berserk from 1 to 314 in about two days. So I didn't even notice the episode number like you guys, who always discuss the episodes on their release.  :serpico:
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Konketsuji on July 27, 2010, 12:46:37 PM
Wow cool according to this map I live in Wyndham! :guts:

(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc145/DrPepperPro/misc/maybe.jpg)
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Aazealh on July 27, 2010, 01:08:39 PM
Wow cool according to this map I live in Wyndham! :guts:

I don't think we can pinpoint the equivalent location that precisely. As for Vritannis and Skellig's location, we simply have no idea.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Konketsuji on July 27, 2010, 04:54:53 PM
I don't think we can pinpoint the equivalent location that precisely. As for Vritannis and Skellig's location, we simply have no idea.
Don't take that from me. :sad: But seriously, how great it would be to have a giant print of the Berserk world map on the wall...
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Griffith on July 28, 2010, 01:58:12 AM
Miura needs to do a map of the Berserk World in the style of the Hyborian/European map from the old Conan paperbacks. :guts:

(http://hyboria.xoth.net/maps/original.gif)
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Konketsuji on July 28, 2010, 05:57:33 AM
Miura needs to do a map of the Berserk World in the style of the Hyborian/European map from the old Conan paperbacks. :guts:

(http://hyboria.xoth.net/maps/original.gif)
That would be awesome, but still, a chance of this happening... :sad:
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Griffith on July 28, 2010, 10:32:52 AM
That would be awesome, but still, a chance of this happening... :sad:

I'll make your dreams come true! :void:

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/midlandmap.jpg)

Ta da! :troll:


On a more serious note, looking through this thread and those excellent 305 posts again made me want to look more closely at the Berserk landscape myself. I made a couple of new comparative maps inspired by the ones posted by Walter and mysteltainn. Have a look:

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/berseurope.jpg)
(Click to enlarge) (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/berseurope.gif)

Pretty intuitive, the red lines connect similar points of reference on Miura's Earth to the map of Western Europe, highlighting individual and overall similitude. Even knowing there was correlation ahead of time, I was pretty surprised how well so many things fit. It's not perfect of course, some points are more similar than others, and the distorted perspective of the landforms and map only add to the interpretation involved. There's also little relation to Eastern Europe, as it doesn't appear to exist on Miura's world. Maybe he wanted to do a manga so Western that nothing east of Turkey even exists. :ganishka:

Then there's this:

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/berseuropeanimated.gif)

Forgive the crudity of this model.

More for fun and shock value than accuracy, it certainly gets the point across. Some parts I did better than others, though they may be opposite depending on your criteria (accuracy vs making things fit), but you can't have a real valid overlay without a 3D global map at the same angle as Miura's image.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Konketsuji on July 28, 2010, 12:35:10 PM
Looks cool. I hope there are going to be more epic events like that, so we could see a bigger picture. And someone like you could recreate the whole map.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Aazealh on July 28, 2010, 07:19:24 PM
Some parts I did better than others, though they may be opposite depending on your criteria (accuracy vs making things fit), but you can't have a real valid overlay without a 3D global map at the same angle as Miura's image.

Yeah, I think an important point is lost in those comparisons: the degree to which the landmasses actually differ. When the episode came out I tried to compare Miura's shots with various 3D global maps positioned as close to the angle he uses as I could, and I found that there was just no way to get a good match. They're deformed, but beyond that I believe the scale itself is wrong.

Even just comparing the two shots of the planet we see in the episode brings up divergences, like the fact the epicenter of the astral "explosion"  as seen from the moon is not where it would be in our world.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Griffith on August 10, 2010, 06:43:58 AM
Yeah, I think an important point is lost in those comparisons: the degree to which the landmasses actually differ. When the episode came out I tried to compare Miura's shots with various 3D global maps positioned as close to the angle he uses as I could, and I found that there was just no way to get a good match. They're deformed, but beyond that I believe the scale itself is wrong.

For a change of pace, instead of trying to make a map fit the angle of Miura's shot, I tried flattening Miura's shot into an overhead map, using the rudimentary method of flattening the white light emanating from Ganishka appear as a circle. It turned out better than I expected, and makes for easy comparison with a map of Europe provided inside the circle.

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/bersearth.jpg)

As similar as it is to Western Europe, one can see things become quite different the farther East you go, much of the landmass being replaced by ocean.

Even just comparing the two shots of the planet we see in the episode brings up divergences, like the fact the epicenter of the astral "explosion"  as seen from the moon is not where it would be in our world.

Yeah, that's strange, and difficult to determine whether the divergence is one with Miura's world as compared to the real world, or a divergence between the different shots of the light itself and it's progress covering the planet.
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Funkmasta Zeph on October 13, 2010, 07:08:55 PM
Wasn't there another global shot shown where part of a pseudo Africa and Madagascar is seen?

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Maybe he wanted to do a manga so Western that nothing east of Turkey even exists.

The Kushan's are pretty damned Indic/Persian (also named after a real Central Asian/North Indian empire).
Title: Re: Map of Midland
Post by: Aazealh on October 13, 2010, 07:42:46 PM
Wasn't there another global shot shown where part of a pseudo Africa and Madagascar is seen?

There is, though it doesn't fit with the other shot given where the epicenter of the explosion is situated. It places it pretty far away from Midland.

The Kushan's are pretty damned Indic/Persian (also named after a real Central Asian/North Indian empire).

That's not the point.