Rhombaad
Video Game Time Traveler
Cool Walt and thanks Griff for giving Walt the idea!Walter said:Blast from the past. Griff gave me the idea.
Cool Walt and thanks Griff for giving Walt the idea!Walter said:Blast from the past. Griff gave me the idea.
Owen was saved in the demon city from the attack of a elephant man and a croc man thanks to Irvine and Locus and now Guts saved him and the other nobles from the tigers . Also Locus promised that soon Griffith would have defeated Ganishka once and for all. The more logical thing for him is to think that Guts too was sent by Griffith. Maybe he will, without realising it, reveal to Guts the little that he knows about Griffith and his plansAazealh said:The big question would be "why isn't he part of the Hawks anymore?" for someone like Owen, since their disappearance was never linked to the red lake. From these guys' point of view, Griffith and his troops could have gone into hiding for a couple of years, and are now coming back to protect Midland. Both BiQ-- and Jhot obs have plausible question possibilities considering this.
It could vary from "Are Griffith and the Hawks nearby?", "Did you come to help protect Vritannis?", "So the Hawks are really back to defend Midland!" to "What happened 3 years ago?" or "The Hawks have supporters in Midland"... Whatever it is, it should prove to be interesting.
roberto999 said:Owen was saved in the demon city from the attack of a elephant man and a croc man thanks to Irvine and Locus
roberto999 said:Also Locus promised that soon Griffith would have defeated Ganishka once and for all.
Probably not soon enough, by my standards, but it'll be worth it once we see it.Aazealh said:Yep, I remember that. I wonder how soon will that be.
Rhombaad said:Probably not soon enough, by my standards, but it'll be worth it once we see it.
Agreed, I'm gonna sit back and enjoy the show that's happenin' right now.CnC said:I'm in no hurry, whats happening now is just as interesting, IMO
It's a bit off topic, but:[SMWA]Suicidal Ewok said:anyway, I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction as to which episode it was that detailed Farnese's childhood.
SaiyajinNoOuji said:Well I think its a setup.... lets see who is going on board the ship... Gut`s and Co, Roderick, and Magnifico.... I think Roderick is working for either Ganishka or Griffith. Gut`s doesn't trust Roderick one bit and it pretty much made evedint in the near end pages when they introduce themselves to each other.
xechnao said:No, it is Guts that follows or throws himself in causality.
xechnao said:Anyway, is Roderick and his ship important for causality's tale?
We still have to see where Guts has thrown himself into.
And what he could make out of it.
Well, he impressed Farnsese in the past ...but it seemed that there was not such a great affinity among her and causality, at least by her POV :)
What will be Roderick's case?
xechnao said:You ambush somebody when you will make a profit out of it, ie ambush Magnifico to ask Vadiminions for a ransom. But right now Vadiminions and the Holy See "alliance" face more important and chaotic situations to ask them about something like that.
xechnao said:No, it is Guts that follows or throws himself in causality.
xechnao said:No, it is Guts that follows or throws himself in causality.
xechnao said:You ambush somebody when you will make a profit out of it, ie ambush Magnifico to ask Vadiminions for a ransom. But right now Vadiminions and the Holy See "alliance" face more important and chaotic situations to ask them about something like that.
CnC said:wow, you almost sound like you know what you're talking about here. Awesome!
So many question I have for you @-->----
Most of the in the form of "FJSLDFJ?" or other inaudible gibberish.
Roderick can't be a spy or a traitor. It just doesn't make sense. As I explained allready it doesn't fit the contest to be a traitor in regards of the Vandimion or Guts.CnC said:While I'm curious to the specifics of Roderick mission, theres nothing to point to an imminent betrayal. Magnifico, maybe, but mostly out of cowardice. I think once we know more about his "mission" we would know if he's indeed a spy or traitor.
It seemed to me that Saiya was thinking that Roderick could be there as a traitor of Guts or Magnifico...at least the way he worded his post.Aazealh said:Hmm yeah, I don't really see the relation with what SaiyajinNoOuji said. Or with anything else for that matters.
xechnao said:Causality is a sort of control or plan that establishes where things go.
xechnao said:Furthermore Griffith and causality are very near, being a kind of one.
xechnao said:Guts is out of causality, period.
Aazealh said:*Sigh* xechnao...
Causality is the relation between causes and effects, and in Berserk it's a tool to the Idea of Evil. It's not a "plan" in itself, it's what is used to accomplish Idea's plan, influencing the world on a very subtle level.
Uh? No, Griffith isn't one with causality, it's just that causality works in his favor, or vice versa. Even if you get the idea, the way you're wording things makes your post confusing. I don't see why you bring notions of proximity here...the rest of your post concerning causality is a total wreck, I'm not even touching it. Things just don't work like that. Please read older threads about it and don't let this develop into some gargantuan off topic monster.
Aazealh said:No, no, NO. He is NOT outside of causality. How many times will that need to be said?
xechnao said:Guts is out of causality, period.
xechnao said:(the rest of your post)
xechnao said:(all that blathering about roderick not being a traitor)
xechnao said:As for what could be more confusing, IMO my wording works better as I could explain the whole deal in a paragraph.
xechnao said:Guts should be a sacrifice.
xechnao said:Thus Guts being or not a dead man walking is somewhat in conflict with causality or idea's plan, no?
CnC said:You have absolutely no proof of this. In fact, the only thing that has been stated in the manga was the complete opposite: That they were all hopelessly bound to causality and unable to change it.
CnC said:Read what you quotted me on, ya big silly. Aw screw it, I'll make it clear for you:
I'm saying that we don't know enough about Roderick's role in Vit. to draw any conclusions. Anything outside that is speculation based on nothing. Something you must be familiar with by now.
Cheers
Aazealh said:Yeah well, I don't think it explains much. It's fine anyway.
He is a sacrifice. You're sacrificed from the moment you get branded. Not to be dead doesn't change this (see all the times where Guts is called a "sacrifice" in the manga).
Well no, why would it be? That's the kind of misconception usually coming from erroneous translations. Causality can adapt itself, it's not rigid, and if Guts and Casca hadn't escaped from the Occultation, the story as we know it wouldn't have been possible. It's really too subtle for us to assume anything about it with certainty, but what is sure is that being a sacrifice is just that, it dooms the branded person to go to hell.
As a quick counter example, in episode 203 Skull Knight tells Flora that Guts "may also be one of the variables guided by the laws of causality". The fish analogy Slann talks about during the Eclipse explains this well enough: he can go against the current of causality, but he can't change the direction of the flow.
xechnao said:Guts should be dead now, but he escaped "causality".
xechnao said:I explained how Guts actions are bound by causality. But Guts has escaped his destiny
xechnao said:Flora eased the effects of the brand. The elf king could even perhaps erase it. Are these stuff in causality?
xechnao said:And why does skullknight called Guts as a fish in the lake if he should just be a part of the lake's surface.
xechnao said:Well, it's what I said really first place. I said that Guts lives in a world dominated by causality thus he is influenced by it. It is just some wording that changes really.
xechnao said:Kinda make it seem that what ever I say is wrong
xechnao said:while in fact the only thing that changes is the way we use the word causality: you use it as the means only, I use it to describe the means and the plan.
Bid deal about that. But you did make a big deal in the thread.