Vampire_Hunter_Bob said:There is not enough Zodd!
There is NEVER enough Zodd.
Vampire_Hunter_Bob said:There is not enough Zodd!
Aazealh said:It's a multi-armed Kushan deity, like Hindu ones. Check out Ganishka's throne in volume 27.
Pretty sure that's exactly what Aaz was hinting at on Page 2.Rhombaad said:Based on Jaken's summary, with the children seeing a multi-armed shadow covering the sun in their dream, I'm wondering if Ganishka's apostle form will be something similar to this multi-armed Kushan deity on his throne. It's pretty much a given, in my opinion, that we'll get to see his apostle form in this battle. I'm speculating that Ganishka will probably transform and show his true self as a last resort.
Griffith No More! said:Yes, the battle is building up quite slowly considering the last time we saw Griffith the battle was announced and the next time we see him they're going directly there. Can we just forget any sort of pace and skip a step? Maybe start mid-battle? How about cut to Griffith standing over Ganishka's corpse while being crowned and bringing darkness to the World?
Rhombaad said:Based on Jaken's summary, with the children seeing a multi-armed shadow covering the sun in their dream, I'm wondering if Ganishka's apostle form will be something similar to this multi-armed Kushan deity on his throne. It's pretty much a given, in my opinion, that we'll get to see his apostle form in this battle. I'm speculating that Ganishka will probably transform and show his true self as a last resort.
Walter said:Pretty sure that's exactly what Aaz was hinting at on Page 2.
Aazealh said:Well yeah, I thought that was obvious from the start. =)
Aazealh said:Actually, I think someone did indeed "speculate" that the episode would start with Griffith standing over Ganishka's corpse in the previous thread. This sort of stuff always manages to depress me a bit...
Well yeah, I thought that was obvious from the start. =) There's also some talk about how the Kushans keep women hostages at the beginning, which I don't think jaken mentioned. It could be interesting to see an attempt to rescue them or something from the Resistance. They could witness stuff they weren't supposed to while doing so. Anyway, I think what's worth noting here is that it's semi-confirmed that the final battle will take place in 2 times: at night the apostles will invest the city and battle with Ganishka's monsters (and probably with the emperor himself), and during the day it'll be a "human" battle opposing two huge armies against one another (assuming Griffith will not have already slain Ganishka and forced them to surrender/flee).
On another note, I'm finding interesting the idea of a mass killing taking place there. There'll be around 400,000 soldiers fighting each other in total, and I wonder if it wouldn't be in the God Hand's (and Griffith's) best interest to let both side suffer massive casualties. Makes me think of the battle of Verdun, can you imagine what it'd look like if there were over 300,000 deads as a result of this battle? It'd be crazy. Of course there are others possibilities: the Kushans could be outmaneuvered and then slaughtered with the discreet help of apostles, or Griffith could spare most of the army and send it on its way, maybe subjugating the Kushan empire in the process, etc. In the end though I think there'll be many deads and that it'll help reinforce the God Hand's grasp on the world in one way or another.
Sanguinius said:I don't think Griffith will attempt a wholesale slaughter of the human forces on either side. It's never been his style to fight like that, I think a better example of what will happen can be taken from the old Band of the Hawks attack on Doldrey.
Griffith No More! said:This episode is WAY more epic than the images alone indicate. Forget all this King business, Griffith is the new sun dawning on the World.
Aazealh said:Anyway, Locus strikes me as particularly menacing on the top panel of page 23. And his words... "The true sun shining over the world."
Aazealh said:Well, it's never been his style before. The thing here is that he's supposed to be up to no good now, in spite of his white knight act. Now, I agree with you that it'd probably be a little too shocking and lacking in efficiency for the final act, which is why I'm also thinking that he could just subjugate the Kushans instead, with maybe future plans for them.
Is he really?
Sanguinius said:I think Griffith has already proven that he won't do that kind of thing, for proof I take the Kushans he already has in his army training his human forces that outraged Mule so much when he first seen them.
Sanguinius said:As for Griffith's "reign of evil" I don't think he'll actually do anything that publicly appears to be evil or cruel. Instead I think he will continue to press into the Kushan and possibly other lands freeing the people from their former cruel masters. Where the God hand plan comes in (my guess anyway) is that Griffith's presence in the human world is breaking down the barriers betwen the different levels of the Berserk world (the terminology escapes me). My guess is that when Griffith controls or at least dominates the world where humans live that in itself or possibly with the aid of another kind of Eclipse, where he sacrifices his new followers, will merge the different worlds together.
He's not working on any other series, it's just that Berserk is far more detailed than your average manga. Pick any given page of the series and compare it to something in Shounen Jump, which is published reguarly weekly. They're a mess, and it shows.SlimJ87D said:I was just wondering how many other series Miura is working on. Because I notice he does take pretty long breaks, but I'm not complaining, just worried i might die before Berserk ends, lol.
On average, how long does it take for an episode to come out?
Walter said:He's not working on any other series, it's just that Berserk is far more detailed than your average manga. Pick any given page of the series and compare it to something in Shounen Jump, which is published regularly weekly. They're a mess, and it shows.
SlimJ87D said:I notice he does take pretty long breaks, but I'm not complaining, just worried i might die before Berserk ends, lol.
On average, how long does it take for an episode to come out?
Aazealh said:But that served him then. He's not going to need an army of 200,000 Kushans once he's king except to conquer the rest of the world (and I don't think the Holy See alliance would like that at all), and the resources needed to maintain it would be too big anyway, it'd ruin the land. Not to mention that once the Holy See alliance will have disbanded, the Kushan army would be left a staggering majority (as opposed to a few troops amongst a wide army). Besides, people may want to exert some kind of revenge on the invaders and take their hypothetical acceptance by Griffith rather bitterly. In any case, it's not guaranteed that the battle could be won without relatively extensive losses (each army losing a tenth of its soldiers would result in 40,000 deaths...). It isn't so much a matter of actively slaughtering people as it's letting them fight without intervening much, resulting in a carnage. The reason I got to think about it is simply because such an opportunity will likely not present itself again before a while. Remember all the despair and misery depicted in volume 17? Or all the refugees dying in Albion? This has the potential to surpass them as far as the death toll goes.
Another possible scenario IMO is that the battle will result in sizable casualties, but that in the end the Kushans will be allowed to flee disorderly. With Ganishka dead, the clan wars will tear the empire apart and put an end to the Kushan threat (at least for a while).
Aazealh said:He'll have to start showing more of his evil nature at some point though; I don't see him keeping that immaculate savior role forever. It's been forewarned that he would bring an age of darkness to the world, so I believe he's bound to make a move in that direction sooner or later. And honestly, I don't think he'll have to conquer the whole world before those dire times begin, it seems impractical story-wise IMO. It would take forever to relate (short of a big time gap), and what would Guts and co be doing meanwhile? Also, you talk about freeing people from their cruel masters as an excuse to conquer the whole world? Come on, who's going to buy that? I doubt a lot of people would be happy with that, especially since their "masters" aren't necessarily cruel as far as we know. As for the layers of the world merging together, it's a good point but his simple presence has triggered it already, and it doesn't seem to be the extent of the plan (whatever it may be).
Aazealh said:Lastly, about another Eclipse, I'm very doubtful. Even putting aside the fact it'd need to be another, special and unheard of type of Eclipse, Griffith is a member of the God Hand now, and he doesn't need to sacrifice anything. Besides, if he were already ruling the whole world, would there even be a need for such a thing anymore? I mean that'd account for killing everyone in the world basically, is that what you mean? Otherwise, if we're just talking about a massive number of deaths, then these 400,000 men that'll be assembled in Wyndham soon to fight each other seem a more likely/convenient opportunity...
In conclusion, no matter what will happen during the battle, I still think Griffith's era will really start with his coronation as king of Midland, right after the Kushans' defeat. I don't believe he'll need to conquer the entire world before the "Age of Darkness" can begin. Even Locus' words in this episode are implying that a great change is about to happen, something far more significant than simple matters of countries and politics.
Walter said:As requested, here's an episode release chart from episode 200-291, indicating all breaks and dates between episodes:
Click here to view.
PS: Translation is up, in case no one noticed. Seriously, fuck anyone who called this episode boring. They're flat-out idiots.
Aazealh said:He'll have to start showing more of his evil nature at some point though; I don't see him keeping that immaculate savior role forever. It's been forewarned that he would bring an age of darkness to the world, so I believe he's bound to make a move in that direction sooner or later. And honestly, I don't think he'll have to conquer the whole world before those dire times begin, it seems impractical story-wise IMO. It would take forever to relate (short of a big time gap), and what would Guts and co be doing meanwhile?
vlad said:this upcoming battle reminds me of the story of Gaiseric's downfall. Several things sort of ring true, the evil king (Ganishka) the wise/holy man (Griffith) and a possible appearance of the rest of the God Hand would account for the four angels mentioned (or even five if Griffith shows a glimpse of his true self).
Baldulf said:One theory I have about the whole "Hawk of light" issue is that Griffith true function is to accumulate belief or faith.There lies the source of his power and he is,basically,acting like a metaphorical ligthing rod.
Sparnage said:Still, what was the shape of the shadow meant to be on page 11?
Aazealh said:It's a multi-armed Kushan deity, like Hindu ones. Check out Ganishka's throne in volume 27.