Rhombaad said:I almost wonder if the thread between his antlers is like that of a spider. Perhaps the ends of his antlers are spinnerets?
FRS said:Thanks for posting the preview, looks like that getting his human and non human troops fighting together wasn't as hard as I expected for Griffith.
Aazealh said:Anyway, humans and apostles fighting together to that extent is really interesting, and it makes me wonder more than ever how things will turn out once the war is over. Could the apostles live harmoniously with humans? Would they raid areas not under Griffith's rule or just do it under the cover of the night? Or maybe criminals could be fed to them? I guess the worst would be a society where people are (willingly or unwillingly) offered as "sacrifices" to the monsters.
creampuff_war said:I could see them being worshiped as gods, kinda like roman or greek mythology (I enjoy imagining a temple of Zodd), except these Berserk gods would be tangible creatures instead of legends and stories. If this were the case, people sacrificing themselves would not surprise me.
creampuff_war said:However, it would be unlikely that Griff would condone worship of his subordinates, plus it could cause strife among people loyal to the Pontiff.
creampuff_war said:What do apostles eat besides humans? I guess if Griff forbids the eating of humans, we could see a harmonious existence, but it would still be strange.
yeah kinda like vegetarian carnivores. I thought they ONLY ate humans and fresh souls.creampuff_war said:What do apostles eat besides humans? I guess if Griff forbids the eating of humans, we could see a harmonious existence, but it would still be strange.
MaN said:Its sad to read that Miura is sad and lonely. I guess popularity and fan-base can't replace for companionship. The feelings probably only heighten in the holiday season.
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[url=http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=4632.msg20393#msg20393]DVD Interview[/url] said:An average working man living in an average world would have a personal problem. He'd be worried about how his kids are doing in school. But I live in isolation, watching the world only on the news on TV so I start to see the bigger picture. I can look at the world from another angle.
Xans-Griffith said:With fear and confusion running through the humans and the spectacle of Ganishka and seeing the apostles transform for the first time, the "laws" governing the separation between humans and monsters might've "broken down"
Xans-Griffith said:As for apostles subjugating humans, that might happen. The Snake Baron's subordinates did treat him like a demigod. Only difference now is they'd be out in the open.
MaN said:Its sad to read that Miura is sad and lonely. I guess popularity and fan-base can't replace for companionship. The feelings probably only heighten in the holiday season.
MaN said:IDLEMASTER
Xans-Griffith said:Hmm, he's talked about loneliness before:
I agree, though, it made me wonder when I read that in the original post. Maybe we'll get to see more happy family time in the coming episodes. \/
Aazealh said:Don't ask me for a full translation, but he basically laments that he has no girlfriend, no friends, nothing to do; that he's in his thirties and has worked 16 hours a day with 5 holidays a year for 10 years. Finally Miura regains spirit and says "No, I shouldn't let it go!!". Then Puck taunts him like the Beast of Darkness taunts Guts in volume 16, telling him he'll have nothing but manga, and calling him antisocial. After all that, he proposes him to come and eat (Miura's reaction in the last panel speaks for itself).
Aazealh said:Hmm, what you're saying here bothers me a bit. I mean the vocabulary you're using (laws that break down). We can't really say that there was an actual law preventing humans and apostles from teaming up, and we've had examples of it happening before (at least apostles leading humans). So while what's happening now is unprecedented (from what we've seen, that is) and may indeed equate to a change in the "human world", I believe it's a bit risky to directly relate it to notions that seem to refer to actual fundamental rules in the world (like the separation of the spiritual and material layers of the world) and not just to human societies. That makes me think your formulation might be confusing if not erroneous. In any case it's a tricky topic.
Aazealh said:Nah, he was just a tyrant and they treated him as such. He held them in place with fear, and he was helped in that by his underlings (who ignored his true nature). I don't think it's comparable to what creampuff_war and I were talking about.
Aazealh said:I don't think you understand the extent of it. What you've quoted is nothing, not even the tip of the iceberg. He's talked about it many times in the past. Here's a short comic to illustrate:
Aazealh said:http://aazealh.net/Divers/Miura-lonely.jpg
Don't ask me for a full translation, but he basically laments that he has no girlfriend, no friends, nothing to do; that he's in his thirties and has worked 16 hours a day with 5 holidays a year for 10 years. Finally Miura regains spirit and says "No, I shouldn't let it go!!". Then Puck taunts him like the Beast of Darkness taunts Guts in volume 16, telling him he'll have nothing but manga, and calling him antisocial. After all that, he proposes him to come and eat (Miura's reaction in the last panel speaks for itself).
Walter said:I don't see why we're getting so sidetracked on this apostle design. It's not really a secret that they generally incorporate an amalgamation of different monsters/animals into their apostle form. Is it an owl, an ostrich, Big Bird? a DODO?! Can't it be all of these and then some?
It seems that way -- with Griffith looking heroic, rearing his horse up, appearing to give the order to charge.
Aazealh said:Yeah it's some sort of lizard tail, not unlike what you'd see on a cockatrice. Maybe it's also got a snake head or a stinger at the end or something like that. Just a run of the mill apostle.
Should get started between 302 and 304 depending on how it's set up.
SaiyajinNoOuji said:Im sure he isn't in to it, but I am sure he could find some Berserk groupies to keep him warm during the winter.
Xans-Griffith said:I didn't know the extent, no. Thank you. But the reason I wanted to quote that particular bit was because it was another interpretation on his loneliness. It was more a suggestion that his isolation was essential and contributed to his perspective as an artist.
Xans-Griffith said:But in the end, I do worry for him. The "bored and lonely these days" line sounded somehow foreboding when I first read it.
Griffith said:Certainly not what we're accustomed to when we see human and Apostles come together on this scale; it's surreal, but makes sense when you think outside the box. Seriously, those guys got pretty fucking brave pretty fast to jump on board like that, possibly inspired because even a girl did it?
Guts' intestines said:Lastly, for some reason I'm less psyched about the Griffith vs. Ganishka showdown than I was in the past. I've been thinking of this for a few weeks now but I think the suspense has actually killed part of my interest, around 298-299 I couldn't wait, but now I'm starting to miss Guts and party, hopefully my interest will grow once I know that the climax of the fight is imminent in the next episode, right now I'm excited but then again I'm excited for each new episode and I'm not overly so.
Guts' intestines said:That Miura stuff is a little sad, but I gotta say that if he's working 16 hours a day he can't really say that he has nothing to do, good lord after that I just think of him pining away in a writing office with one solitary lamp and tons of papers strewn on his desk, drawing board behind him, eyes bloodshot and beady with tears flowing from one eye...
Walter said:it sure was interesting to see the Cocatrice apostle move into a rage after seeing the humans who were defending him get attacked.
I look forward to the Pontiff's text. He seems quite taken.
She's got some nice eyes there.Aazealh said:I think it's a she.
It is really different seeing the humans fighting along side apostle or even being shown injured or dying side by side.Anyway, you guys might find this weird but the more I look at that scene (pages 08 and 09), the more I find it... moving.
Some of the lesser apostle are probably happy to get some back up instead of being expected to do it all alone.creampuff_war said:I wonder how many apostles are saying to each other, "hey, remember when we were eating human soldiers at the festival? And now they're riding us into battle. Strange, huh?"
creampuff_war said:I wonder if Zodd is, c) indifferent.
Seriously though, we got some perspective from Daiba, what about the Nosferatu?