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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #75 on: September 28, 2001, 11:43:49 AM »
I'll have to play through the game again but I definately don't remember him saying anything about Niko or Griffith.
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #76 on: September 28, 2001, 11:45:05 AM »
...or you could just read the FAQ which now has all major dialogues of the game, and a great summary (all thanks to ranemaka)
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #77 on: September 28, 2001, 11:56:10 AM »
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It appears I'm somewhat late for the show. I wanted to try you out myself puny Guts, but I don't need Gods to become human to defeat you...


Eeeww! Bad translation! -__-;;

"Hitoashi osokatta yô da na... Kono te de tashikametemitai tokoro datta ga... Da ga, ningen o shite yabureru yô dewa, Taka mo hitsuyô to wa sumai."

Rough translation (sorry about the English ^^; ):
"It looks like I'm too late... I intended to test him with my bare hands... But if a mere human could defeat him, I guess the Falcon would have had no use for him anyway."
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #78 on: September 28, 2001, 12:04:14 PM »
That original translation makes NO SENSE AT ALL... Thanks for the actual one Olivier!
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #79 on: September 28, 2001, 12:39:04 PM »
damn! i knew the translation was off, but not by that much! :o
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We often went to the cinema, the screen would light up and we would tremble, but also, increasingly often, Madeleine and I were disappointed. The images had dated, they jittered, and Marilyn Monroe had gotten terribly old. We were sad, this wasn't the film we had dreamed of, this wasn't the total film that we all carried around inside us, this film that we would have wanted to make, or, more secretly, no doubt, that we would have wanted to live.

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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #80 on: September 28, 2001, 12:50:30 PM »
thank god, that game translation made no sense to me whatsoever... though me & my friend's speculations based on that scene are now worthless. but that's ok, because they were pretty bad anyway.
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #81 on: September 28, 2001, 12:53:27 PM »
:o

Damned Eidos and whoever they got to translate the game

Zodd's going to the mandragoran village makes some sense, now..
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #82 on: September 28, 2001, 01:02:42 PM »
yeah, before it just seemed as if he appeared for no reason...
i wonder how inaccurate the "legend" of Niko is...
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We often went to the cinema, the screen would light up and we would tremble, but also, increasingly often, Madeleine and I were disappointed. The images had dated, they jittered, and Marilyn Monroe had gotten terribly old. We were sad, this wasn't the film we had dreamed of, this wasn't the total film that we all carried around inside us, this film that we would have wanted to make, or, more secretly, no doubt, that we would have wanted to live.

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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #83 on: September 28, 2001, 04:27:56 PM »
That is way off!! The whole games translation is probably all wrong.
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #84 on: September 28, 2001, 09:34:26 PM »
So those octopus/tentacle/eyeball creatures simply give the guys nightmares?
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #85 on: September 29, 2001, 01:49:24 AM »
Man that sucks! I know everything miura makes is connected, meaning that the game story is also important, but translating  it badly like that...damn. It was hard to capisc zodd in the first place, and now this.
Anyway, about Guts becoming superhuman...imagine what kind of apostle would he be. I bet he'd be like 20 times stronger than zod.
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #86 on: September 29, 2001, 04:59:09 PM »
I know someone had mentioned a long time ago on the BSOM boards that they were capturing the movies from berserk DC, and were going to add subs - I'm capturing all the original japanese ones for my site so maybe I could do that as a sort of side project.

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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #87 on: September 29, 2001, 09:59:37 PM »

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I know someone had mentioned a long time ago on the BSOM boards that they were capturing the movies from berserk DC, and were going to add subs - I'm capturing all the original japanese ones for my site so maybe I could do that as a sort of side project.

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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #88 on: September 29, 2001, 10:01:29 PM »
One thing, do we have any transcripts of the original Japanese translation? All I have laying around is the .xls from the US DC Game's site and I don't think we want to see the movies in japanese with a horrible translation  :o
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #89 on: September 30, 2001, 04:49:36 AM »
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One thing, do we have any transcripts of the original Japanese translation?


What do you mean by "original Japanese translation"?
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #90 on: September 30, 2001, 10:46:18 AM »

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What do you mean by "original Japanese translation"?



I think they mean the 'original Japanese dialogue.'  ::)
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #91 on: September 30, 2001, 11:34:58 AM »
This is pure speculation, but what if there's some other way of using the Beherit without making a human sacrifice?  How did Niko in the DC game use the Beherit anyway?  Did he sacrifice his dog or something?  And what about the Beherit apostle?  He sacrificed his body.

Another thing that seems interesting to me is Skull Knight's collection of Beherits.  He could somehow be using their power to add to his own apparent superhuman strength.

Hm...  :-/
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« Reply #92 on: September 30, 2001, 11:45:47 AM »
Another thing ... Beherits don't dissapear after they're used.  Skullknight got the Beherit apostle's Beherit ... could it be used to give Guts more power?  Or could that be the way Skullknight rose to his current status?  Maybe I should be in the speculation section...  ;)
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #93 on: September 30, 2001, 11:48:31 AM »
He's a really elegant junkie.. :D
but, it is questionable what can you sacrifice, sice it seems the beherit apostle sacrificed his body and the world around him. but the world around him wasn't really dear to him, was it? And niko did sacrifice his dog.
but i think that all apostles have the power to bestow superhuman strenght to their servants.
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #94 on: September 30, 2001, 12:03:44 PM »
How many Beherits do we know Skully has?  ???
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #95 on: September 30, 2001, 12:08:04 PM »
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This is pure speculation, but what if there's some other way of using the Beherit without making a human sacrifice?  How did Niko in the DC game use the Beherit anyway?  Did he sacrifice his dog or something?  And what about the Beherit apostle?  He sacrificed his body.


When it comes to sacrificing... it seems the more you sacrifice the more powerful you become.  And if you don't have anything to sacrifice (like Niko or the Beherit apostle), and choose to sacrifice yourself,   you become kind of a "plague".  By that I mean you have the ability to "affect" others (like the mandragora virus or the beherit apostle's ability to change others' bodies)

of course this is pure speculation, and I just woke up... so...
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #96 on: September 30, 2001, 12:15:33 PM »
Lets move this into the speculation section please...
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #97 on: September 30, 2001, 02:44:28 PM »

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When it comes to sacrificing... it seems the more you sacrifice the more powerful you become.  And if you don't have anything to sacrifice (like Niko or the Beherit apostle), and choose to sacrifice yourself,   you become kind of a "plague".  By that I mean you have the ability to "affect" others (like the mandragora virus or the beherit apostle's ability to change others' bodies)

of course this is pure speculation, and I just woke up... so...


I'm pretty sure Niko would have sacrificed his dog, wouldn't he?

I don't see any other reason for Miura putting it in, except to tie up the loose ends that would be associated with having no apparent sacrifice.

Also, I don't think that plauge statement is very accurate. In Niko's case maybe, but the Beherit apostle merely made Quasi-apostles. Same as Roshinu (I'm going to use Lucine from now on).

IMO, Niko was the only apostle to create a real plauge. And the beherit apostle didn't sacrifice himself, I thought, he sacrificed himself AND the world.

Maybe I'm wrong.
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #98 on: September 30, 2001, 07:11:28 PM »
Sorry Olivier I wrote than when I was all but asleep - what I meant was, is there a direct translation of the Japanese dialogue in english laying around somewhere as opposed to the altered Eidos American version.
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Re: Chapter 187 mk. III
« Reply #99 on: September 30, 2001, 07:52:25 PM »
when the Beast of shadow was talking to Guts i think Guts was half asleep and half awake at the time, why i think that you ask well Guts was in the same spot he fell asleep in when he opened his eyes up he saw the beast dog walking around talking to him but every thing was the same making it look like Guts was awake  then when he woke up little eye spiders were walking around every where. well when i was half asleep i had a freakey ass dream where the hall way light was on i blinked and every thing was the same except the light was off. so what does this all me 1 i'm either an idot that needs sleep, or i said it wrong.
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