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Title: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on November 15, 2013, 08:57:21 PM
Hey Skullknighters, I’ve been working intermittently on a Berserk fan edit of the Golden Age trilogy intercut with the ’97 anime.  The goal is to make a series of four movies that more accurately represent the spirit of Berserk and yet retain an exciting cinematic pace.  There have been hundreds of minor edits to make scenes and conversation flow better as well as major additions to improve character development and plot. 

This cut is coming from a wholly different philosophy than Griffith’s excellent and meticulous fanedit Berserk: Recut.  While I am trying to make the movies more faithful to the manga, this is by no means a purist cut that attempts to recreate manga as accurately as possible.  These are meant to feel like movies.  I don’t think that the manga, as it is, lends itself to being a “movie.”  This is not to say that I think that the story is told bad in manga form; quite the contrary.  But I do think some storytelling techniques work better in the literary mediums.  Therefore there have been some cuts, and overall voiceover has been significantly diminished.  The Black Swordsman has been shifted to a more linear position in the story. If the movies represent a scene in a way that I find more interesting or cinematic than the anime, I go with that version of it.

Another important note:  The ’97 anime is presented in a 4:3 aspect ratio while the golden age trilogy is 16:9.  I chose to retain these original formats to avoid drastic recropping of the picture and composition of the anime.  I realize this may initially feel abrupt, but I promise that you get used to it.

All comments and feedback are welcome. 


BERSERK REDUX TRAILER (https://vimeo.com/118679440)
URL: https://vimeo.com/118679440

(http://i.imgur.com/6PGKCkL.png)

Notable changes to movie 1 include:
-Color correction to match the animation styles of the two formats
-Hundreds of minor cuts to make conversation flow more naturally
-Removal of most voice over and redundant dialogue throughout
-Removal of many background characters commentary (Not all)
-Restoring the "In this world" opening line by Void
-Modification of opening credits
-Restoring Corkus's debate on whether to attack Guts on the road
-Multiple minor edits during Corkus, Casca and Griffith's initial attack on Guts
-Removal of super human jump by Griffith
-Restoring minor reactions after Guts is beaten a second time by Grifith
-Restoring Guts reflecting on his loss in a tent and Casca warding off an ambush by Corkus
-Restoring Guts First battle with the Hawks
-Restoring Guts childhood flashbacks
-Restoring Griffith's philosophical discussion with Guts about destiny after the battle
-Restoring the after battle party
-Restoring the morning discussion with Judeau and the water fight with Griffith
-Restoring the Beherit being introduced after the water fight. Includes Fortune teller flashback
-Removal of the trilogy's "I will have my own kingdom" scene
-Extension of the fight with Zodd to be more intense and faithful (Guts beaten worse, Zodd's arm severed)
-Restoring Minister Foss and nobles confronting Guts in castle corridor after Zodd
-Restoring Guts visiting injured Griffith at chapel and getting punched by Casca
-Removing Griffith showing Guts the Beherit on the stairs and Guts almost falling off railing.
-Restored Guts musing on the roof with his sword
-Restored Foss and Julius's plotting. Shortened significantly so that Julius doesn't come off so thick headed.
-Shortened the Fall Hunt scene so that Charlotte doesn't wail at the end
-Added Guts talking to Griffith about his library
-Added Guts witnessing Julius give Adonis a harsh sword lesson.
-Shortened Julius's death scene so he doesn't stagger like a zombie
-Extended Guts escape from Julius's keep to be more intense.
-Restored Guts escape into the sewers after leaping over the wall.
-Some subtle edits in the 'dreams' speech.

Changes not made:
-Aspect ratio for both media sources remain true their original format (This cannot be fixed without massive picture cropping)
-Opening castle siege remains (Sets up a world at war, is an exciting opening, and does a great job of introducing Guts)
-Guts wears a mask during assassination of Julius (a reasonable change and the trilogy's version of the scene is more cinematic)

CONTINUITY NOTE:
Due to merging two different sources of the same story, there are certain inevitable continuity errors. This edit focuses on character, story, and pacing over the continuity of wardrobe, art style, or minor details. These continuity errors are known and remain by choice.

Total Running time: 97 minutes

Final disclaimer: This fanedit is for educational purposes only. I own all of this source media in a commercially available format and do not endorse piracy in any way.  ALL RIGHTS BELONG TO WARNER BROTHERS, STUDIO 4ºC, VIZ MEDIA, VAP, AND MEDIA BLASTERS. Viewers should own a commercially available version of the film and television show prior to viewing this fanedit.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: KuraiDragoon on November 17, 2013, 02:56:36 PM
This seems really cool but why is the widescreen movie footage miniaturized?
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on November 17, 2013, 04:13:38 PM
This seems really cool but why is the widescreen movie footage miniaturized?

It's a formatting issue I ran into when combining the two media types  between the Golden Age and Anime.  The issue is due to Vimeo's native aspect ratio and the 4:3 aspect ratio of the anime.  The widescreen of the golden age film couldn't be larger without cropping off the top and bottom of the anime.  There's also an annoying blue line on the right hand border.  I'm experimenting with settings on the movies timeline to see if I can solve this and boost the quality a bit more.  A bit frustrating to be sure. 

Edit: This has now been Fixed

In the meantime, if you guys have any constructive feedback, please let me know. 

Chapter 2 is on it's way!
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on November 17, 2013, 10:57:37 PM
And here's chapter 2:


BERSERK REDUX: THE HUNDRED YEAR WAR
URL: https://vimeo.com/79562848 (https://vimeo.com/79562848)


Notable changes include:
-Color correction to match the animation styles of the two formats
-Hundreds of minor cuts to make conversation flow more naturally
-Removal of most voice over and redundant dialogue throughout
-Removal of many background characters commentary (Not all)
-Modification of opening credits
-Restored Griffith's encounter with Minister Foss
-Restored Charlotte giving Griffith the lode stone keepsake
-Restored the introduction of the Queen
-Restored Casca's flashback as well as the story about Gennon
-Restored some of the banter between Guts and Casca as to why she resents him.
-Extended the 100 man fight
-Restored Samson to the fight
-Made Guts super human leap look realistic
-UPDATE: Reordered the mercenaries regrouping during the 100 man fight
-Extended Casca fleeing from mercenaries
-Extended Guts's fight on his own against the 100 men
-Changed Casca's rescue so that Griffith is not present.
-UPDATED: Altered the Hawks finding Guts so that Griffith is not present
-Restored Guts being carried back to camp
-Restored Guts being treated by the doctor
-Restored Casca at the fire
-Restored Judeau telling her about Griffith and giving her elf dust
-Restored the Bonfire of Dreams scene in full
-Restored Griffith returning to the camp
-Abridged parts of the Midland war council
-Restored Generals Raban and Owen discussing Griffith
-Restored Guts playing Dice and learning that Gennon is at the head of Doldrey.
-Restored Zodd watching the battle of Doldrey
-Restored Zodd throwing his sword to Guts after he's knocked off his horse. 
-Restored Boscogn's head flying through the air.
-Changed the dialogue between Griffith and Gennon now that their history is already clear.
-Removed the bizarre shots of Gennons slave boys dead after the battle.
-Restored Guts visiting a wounded Casca on the parapet with Zodd's sword and carrying her to see Griffith.
-Restored Zodd observing the victory and commenting on the coming eclipse. 

Changes NOT made:
-Gennon still has Griffith look alike with him in the bath
-Boscogn still orders eye patch to kill Griffith if he gets a chance
-Eye patch is killed by Gennon before he can do the deed.
-Guts sword is not broken when he falls off his horse for continuity reasons.

CONTINUITY NOTE:
Due to merging two different sources of the same story, there are certain inevitable continuity errors. This edit focuses on character, story, and pacing over the continuity of wardrobe, art style, or minor details. These continuity errors are known and remain by choice.

Total Running time: 91 minutes

Final disclaimer: This fanedit is for educational purposes only. I own all of this source media in a commercially available format and do not endorse piracy in any way.  ALL RIGHTS BELONG TO WARNER BROTHERS, STUDIO 4ºC, VIZ MEDIA, VAP, AND MEDIA BLASTERS. Viewers should own a commercially available version of the film and television show prior to viewing this fanedit.


Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on November 24, 2013, 07:15:37 PM
UPDATE: I have fixed the issue of the widescreen appearing small in the video player. I have also added some footage of Duke Julius training his son with Guts watching and made minor adjustments to the scene in which Griffith explains the Beherit to Guts.  Follow the same link for the update.

Disclaimer: The above process had an unexpected oversight in which the disclaimer text at the beginning was blown up and is outside the frame.  This is a mistake that will be corrected in future versions. This is the only instance in which anything is outside the frame.  The rest of the movie is improved in resolution as well.

UPDATE: This is Fixed as well as a small gap that occured before Corkus ambushed Guts.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: KuraiDragoon on November 25, 2013, 06:11:29 AM
UPDATE: I have fixed the issue of the widescreen appearing small in the video player. I have also added some footage of Duke Julius training his son with Guts watching and made minor adjustments to the scene in which Griffith explains the Beherit to Guts.  Follow the same link for the update.

Disclaimer: The above process had an unexpected oversight in which the disclaimer text at the beginning was blown up and is outside the frame.  This is a mistake that will be corrected in future versions. This is the only instance in which anything is outside the frame.  The rest of the movie is improved in resolution as well.
Awesome, I am definitely going to watch these now.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on November 25, 2013, 08:08:11 PM
Awesome, I am definitely going to watch these now.

Chapter 2 still has the same problem, but will be updated within a week due to vimeos media limit per week.

Edit: Now Fixed
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on December 06, 2013, 04:15:24 PM
UPDATE:
The second movie is now reformatted to fill the video player more fully and has increased resolution.  Some other minor changes include color correction in the 100 man fight to brighten up the murkiness from the Golden Age film.  This edit is my favorite for it's balance between character building and exciting action.  It feels much more like a movie than the original did with a more natural closure point. 

The next wone will deal with Guts leaving the Hawks to find himself and the consequences that ensue.  Returning are the Queens plot and good 'ol Godot.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on March 06, 2014, 04:10:06 AM
My original release had a few technical issues including a green band across the side, a shitty transfer of the '97 anime, and several sound goofs I had missed. After much overhaul I have fixed these things and improved on others for a more final version of the cut. I'm much happier with the result.

Update: Chapter 2 has also been updated.  Both are final versions now.

Subsequent chapters 3 and 4 will not have these issues upon launch. I welcome any feedback and room for improvement. Enjoy.

https://vimeo.com/79039155
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on April 21, 2014, 02:32:19 PM
With the US release of the third movie, I've been able to finish chapter 3!  Much more true to the manga.  The Queen and her assassination attempt are back.  Guts going to the tavern with Judeau and Corkus.  Guts going mountain training for a year with Godot. This is what the movies should've been.


BERSERK REDUX: Sparks and Dreams
URL: https://vimeo.com/90216306 (https://vimeo.com/90216306)


Notable changes include:
-Color correction to match the animation styles of the two formats
-Hundreds of minor cuts to make conversation flow more naturally
-Removal of most voice over and redundant dialogue throughout
-Removal of many background characters' commentary (Not all)
-Altered opening credits
-Restored sub plot of the Queen and Foss conspiring against Griffith
-Restored Foss getting the message during the parade with Queen
-Restored Lord Raban and Owen commenting during the Ball.
-Removed Casca and Guts dancing.
-Restored the poison goblet
-Restored the assassin getting ambushed by Guts
-Restored the Conspirators and Queen at Fire, Griffith's speech to her.
-Restored conclusion with Foss and Griffith
-Restored the aftermath of the fire, giving Guts and Griffith some one on one time before the duel.
-Restored tearful reunion with the Hawks
-Restored the funeral
-Restored Casca trying to stop Guts from leaving
-Restored Judeau and Corkus taking Guts to the tavern for a send off.
-Restored Judeau asking Guts about Casca
-Restored Guts final lines after the duel.
-Removed the extended sequence of Griffith rubbing Charlotte's breast
-Removed extended ambush of the Hawks. Originally they have a conversation while arrows rain down. Now it's to the point and realistic.
-Restored Guts attending the tournament to fight Valencia
-Restored Guts' year of training at Godot's cabin
-Restored the talk about "Sparks"
-Restored messenger telling them about Hawks as Fugitives
-Included the raid on the Hawk's camp by Silat
-Extended the raid on the Hawks camp with anime footage
-Restored Guts catching up on events with Judeau, Rickert and Corkus
-Restored Casca asking Guts to take a walk with her
-Intercut waterfall fight with anime for better dialogue. Color corrected scenes to match look of early morning
-Removed strobing effect when Casca falls
-Replaced movie sex scene with the anime version as it's more tasteful
-Restored scene of the Hawks preparing to go rescue Griffith

CONTINUITY NOTE:
Due to merging two different sources of the same story, there are certain inevitable continuity errors. This edit focuses on character, story, and pacing over the continuity of wardrobe, art style, or minor details. These continuity errors are known and remain by choice.

Total Running time: 90 minutes

Final disclaimer: This fanedit is for educational purposes only. I own all of this source media in a commercially available format and do not endorse piracy in any way.  ALL RIGHTS BELONG TO WARNER BROTHERS, STUDIO 4ºC, VIZ MEDIA, VAP, AND MEDIA BLASTERS. Viewers should own a commercially available version of the film and television show prior to viewing this fanedit.


Chapter 4 is in a rough cut state.  PM me if you would like to see a rough cut to give notes!
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Walter on April 21, 2014, 03:59:30 PM
Comprehensive! I would guess that the lack of replies in this thread is due to many people (myself included) are wary of having to watch another anime, even if this one does abate the problems with both versions. Still, a truly exhaustive effort just judging from the list of changes/fixes, so bravo.

How did you navigate the Skull Knight's first appearance to Guts?
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on April 22, 2014, 12:15:16 AM
Comprehensive! I would guess that the lack of replies in this thread is due to many people (myself included) are wary of having to watch another anime, even if this one does abate the problems with both versions. Still, a truly exhaustive effort just judging from the list of changes/fixes, so bravo.

I appreciate the kind words and understand the trepidation for viewing a long video, especially when sourced by something so many were disappointed by, myself included.  I felt like both the movies and the anime had a lot of wasted potential, often in different ways.  The movies have a rushed paced, make random changes, and unforgivable omissions, but are often beautiful in the animation.  The anime is cheaply animated, full of filler dialogue and dead space, and short changes the ending, but is fairly faithful to the manga most of the time.  I knew that between them was a good version of the Golden Age.  Something that had the pacing of a movie but did the manga justice.

I can assure you that this isn't a copy and paste job.  The edit of each was charted out and took many revisions and test viewings to get right.  I would easily estimate that each film contains several hundred edits. I hope some of the members here will give the first movie a chance before writing it off.

How did you navigate the Skull Knight's first appearance to Guts?

You're right to single out that scene.  One of the biggest thorns in my side.  I tried many versions of the edit to get it in the proper place but it's a problem of only one source of media and that source having a naked Guts and Casca in it.  You can cut around to the anime here and there to hide it but it just ends up flowing badly and really calling attention to itself in a distracting way.  Either you're cutting back and forth to a really frankensteined scene or else Guts was camping naked when Skull knight showed up.  I ended up re-inserting it to the movies placement of it after Casca and Guts have sex.  One of the few instances of deviation from the manga that I'm not thrilled with, but it does give the close of the movie a foreboding cliffhanger aspect.  Reminding you that there is a supernatural threat out there. 
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: CCS on April 22, 2014, 04:16:50 AM
Any chance of a Japanese version? The dubbing is okay, but I much prefer the Japanese voices. But I know that could mean a ton more work.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on April 22, 2014, 05:27:06 AM
Sorry but no.  The ground work is laid for anyone who wants to take this edit and set it to japanese language, but it's far too much effort for me to redo everything.  Not to mention that timing and pacing probably changes with translation.  Some of the dub I imagine was done with the phrasing it was to match the characters lips so it's likely that it would need a full re-edit.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 22, 2014, 05:48:12 PM
I think I'll give it a try in my free time! might be able to watch it now since it's more accurate. (with what you had to work with evidently)
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Delta Phi on April 22, 2014, 11:25:45 PM
From what I've watched of your most recent edit (about 10-15 minutes), I have to say I'm very impressed. The editing is superb. I want to actually see the new movies (not seen any yet, but they are in the mail) before I dive fully into this so that I can really appreciate your work. I'm really looking forward to seeing your completed re-edited series.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on April 23, 2014, 12:08:12 AM
Thank you, I'd love to hear your thoughts when you do.  The last chapter is in process and may take a couple weeks, but I usually do have test screenings to iron out final issues. Volunteers are welcome if you don't mind watching something in a rougher state.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Godofallu on April 26, 2014, 12:43:22 AM
I figured i'd register to give my opinion on this here.

To me the Anime told the Golden Age story very well, but it had a pretty low budget which lead to a lot of drawbacks. From bad voice actors in the smaller parts, to action shots being a still frame that they just moved around.

The new movies looked really good (for the most part [60%+]) but they skipped a ton of my favorite scenes. Like the Bonfire of Dreams speech or the Sparks speech.

There was a lot of missed scenes and questionable things in both works but for the most part the dialogue/storyline in the anime was decent but low budget. The movie looked good but missed a lot of the things that made the Golden Age Arc mean something. Combined there really is a lot of potential.

What I love about this Redux is it combines the two into something great. Is has the character development that makes you fall in love with these characters. It has the brand new top notch visuals that make the eclipse something that takes your breath away and leaves you in awe. It has an extended 100 man fight scene that takes badass to a whole new level. Yes if you're one of those people who hates dubs with a passion or throws a hissyfit anytime a new work doesn't 100% copy paste from the original you might be able to get mad at this. But if you take it for what it is, an attempt to tell the story in the best possible way with the material provided, I think there is a lot to like here.

We can never tell a story in a TV show or Movie the exact same way as in the book (or in this case Manga) but is that really such a bad thing? Yes there will be scenes that fall flat or miss their mark in these new works. But there is also a lot of great stuff to see in a new light. I'm excited to see the fourth film by ApostleBob. I can't wait to see what he does with the Castle/Road speech.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Shinjinobrave on April 26, 2014, 07:46:45 AM
Hello everyone, long time lurking in the interstice, first time posting anything.

I made this account specifically to tell you how much I enjoyed the redux. It was impressively well paced and added much needed meat to the movies. I also love how you incorporated the amazing score by Hirasawa Susumu all throughout, making the scenes from both mediums flow into one another.
I cannot wait to see the next installment!
 :ubik:
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on April 26, 2014, 07:00:44 PM
Thank you.  I've had a great time creating them.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: KuraiDragoon on April 26, 2014, 08:02:05 PM
Yeah I've watched them all so far and it's definitely been my favorite Berserk Anime experience by far. Any chance you'll upload these to youtube so I could watch on my tv app? :)
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on April 27, 2014, 07:57:34 PM
Yeah I've watched them all so far and it's definitely been my favorite Berserk Anime experience by far. Any chance you'll upload these to youtube so I could watch on my tv app? :)

It's certainly possible, though it would depend on upload limits and quality.  Vimeo is one of the higher quality players and allows up to 5 GB per video so I've been able to maintain decent compression for now.  The length of each necessitates big file sizes.  I will explore this.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on April 30, 2014, 02:25:53 AM
The fundamental problem is that the movies didn't give the characters or story room to breathe. But a well structured OVA or even a TV series would (and arguably has).

If only there was a version of the movies that preserved all the character development and plot while retaining modern animation...  :slan:
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: jackson_hurley on April 30, 2014, 04:19:59 AM
If only there was a version of the movies that preserved all the character development and plot while retaining modern animation...  :slan:

Didn't someone do that already? http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14116.0 (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14116.0)  :guts:
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Vodnak on April 30, 2014, 12:35:00 PM
Didn't someone do that already? http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14116.0 (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=14116.0)  :guts:

Not to their discredit, but I viewed some of it and I wasn't particularly impressed. An entirely new series should be created to fully remedy the persistent problems within the 1997 anime and the movies for that matter.  Again the likelihood of that is slim and none, there seems to be no interest whatsoever in adapting Berserk into an Anime for a 2nd go around.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Aazealh on April 30, 2014, 01:30:37 PM
If only there was a version of the movies that preserved all the character development and plot while retaining modern animation...  :slan:

Your project is well-intentioned and I commend you for going through the effort, but let's be honest here: it's got many problems, some inherent to how it's being done (hacking and pasting two different things together) and the rest lying with the source material you're using. Either way, it can't be said that it "preserves all the character development and plot" as you can find it in the manga, and since it's a "recut" it shouldn't be compared to a proper, fully-financed adaptation of the story.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on April 30, 2014, 07:15:31 PM
Not to their discredit, but I viewed some of it and I wasn't particularly impressed.

I welcome feedback, but this is really vague.  What about it was disappointing?  :???:

An entirely new series should be created to fully remedy the persistent problems within the 1997 anime and the movies for that matter.  Again the likelihood of that is slim and none, there seems to be no interest whatsoever in adapting Berserk into an Anime for a 2nd go around.

You mean a third time.  The Golden Age has been animated twice now between the movies and the anime.  I agree with you that they are not likely to remake this section again in a new series.  I wish they had done a better job. That was the purpose of creating a fan edit. To fix the flaws in both since we're not likely getting another go around.

Instead of wishing for something that will never be, I took action to remedy it.  I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it.

Your project is well-intentioned and I commend you for going through the effort, but let's be honest here: it's got many problems, some inherent to how it's being done (hacking and pasting two different things together) and the rest lying with the source material you're using.

Can you elaborate?  It sounds like you're saying that what you didn't like was that I used the movies and TV shows as source material and that I edited them together.  That is the project by definition. If this is the case, you don't like the idea of the project, regardless of how it is approached, correct? There would be no way it could be cut together that would be satisfying because the source is tainted in your eyes. 

Or maybe I'm mistaken and your issue is that the art styles and aspect ratio of the two sources are different? If the contrast of the two jumps out at you, I could see that as being distracting.  Unfortunately, outside of some color correction that I've done, that's out of my hands. 

Either way, it can't be said that it "preserves all the character development and plot" as you can find it in the manga, and since it's a "recut" it shouldn't be compared to a proper, fully-financed adaptation of the story.

Then I'll add the disclaimer that it preserves as much character development and plot as the source material allows.  Between the two sources, that's quite a bit.  Almost all of the Golden Age, but it does exclude Wyald, the Bakiraka, the circumstances of Skullknight's appearance, and Silat at the tournament.   Nothing I can do there.  It's much closer to the manga though.
 
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Aazealh on April 30, 2014, 09:11:36 PM
Can you elaborate?  It sounds like you're saying that what you didn't like was that I used the movies and TV shows as source material and that I edited them together.  That is the project by definition. If this is the case, you don't like the idea of the project, regardless of how it is approached, correct? There would be no way it could be cut together that would be satisfying because the source is tainted in your eyes.

Well dude, this is a thread about speculation regarding the next possible movie in the Berserk Film Project, and you replied to a complaint about the movies by implying that you'd fixed it all with your fan edit. I'm just saying that no, you didn't fix it all, far from it. That mere suggestion seems rather pretentious to me, precisely because it's impossible to take two flawed sources (the TV series and the movies) and combine them into one "perfect" offering. So it's not your fault or anything and that doesn't lessen what you're doing with your project, but I honestly don't see the point in comparing your work to a hypothetical "properly done" OVA series like what Walter was talking about.

Or maybe I'm mistaken and your issue is that the art styles and aspect ratio of the two sources are different? If the contrast of the two jumps out at you, I could see that as being distracting.

Well yeah man, that as well obviously and the dub that's also terrible, and so on. Anyway this is completely off-topic. Let's please keep this thread about the next movie in the Berserk Film Project, if needed we can talk about your redux project in its own dedicated thread.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on April 30, 2014, 10:25:00 PM
Well dude, this is a thread about speculation regarding the next possible movie in the Berserk Film Project, and you replied to a complaint about the movies by implying that you'd fixed it all with your fan edit. I'm just saying that no, you didn't fix it all, far from it. That mere suggestion seems rather pretentious to me, precisely because it's impossible to take two flawed sources (the TV series and the movies) and combine them into one "perfect" offering. So it's not your fault or anything and that doesn't lessen what you're doing with your project, but I honestly don't see the point in comparing your work to a hypothetical "properly done" OVA series like what Walter was talking about.

I apologize for the tangent, and I'd be happy to discuss what you didn't feel was fixed or addressed in the Redux thread.  Can't say I agree with your premise, and I don't believe I or anyone has called them "perfect," but I have no problem saying that they are better and more complete than what we have.

Anyway this is completely off-topic. Let's please keep this thread about the next movie in the Berserk Film Project, if needed we can talk about your redux project in its own dedicated thread.

I didn't mean to sidetrack the discussion, but it seemed relevant to what Walter was saying about the movies not giving characters or story room to breath. 

I too, hope we get a properly done OVA series and hope it takes it's time and opens with the Black Swordsman.  It would be interesting to see how Miura's old art style would be updated and handled.  I still feel like we've barely scratched the surface in these animations as to what makes Berserk such a compelling narrative.  The themes of vengeance, betrayal, and determination are only hinted at thus far.  Not to mention some of it's most iconic imagery of the Dragon Slayer, the apostles, and berserker armor.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Sammoniac on May 01, 2014, 02:15:41 AM
I will definitely give these a try when all movies are completed. The sheer amount of effort that you put into this convinced me. This is a very respectable project and, on top of that, its apparently drawing new members into the forum. Keep it up man, I'm looking forward to watch the whole thing!  :ubik:
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on May 01, 2014, 03:35:22 AM
The fourth chapter is underway right now. Probably a day or so away. Definitely the darkest. It will correct a lot of the eclipse omissions and will include a part of the Black Swordsman.  Between the two sources, there is an excellent story to be viewed.  Stay tuned!
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Aazealh on May 01, 2014, 08:02:58 AM
Can't say I agree with your premise, and I don't believe I or anyone has called them "perfect," but I have no problem saying that they are better and more complete than what we have.

I didn't say you called them perfect. However, you did say it is "a version of the movies that preserved all the character development and plot while retaining modern animation", which just isn't the case. I don't feel like going through a list but surely you must know that the TV series footage you insert does not "retain modern animation" and that not all plot points or character development from the manga is translated to your project. That's all really.

It would be interesting to see how Miura's old art style would be updated and handled.

Just like his old art style was "updated" in the movies or TV series: by replacing it altogether with something generic. That's pretty much inevitable, and the same would happen with his current art style.

I still feel like we've barely scratched the surface in these animations as to what makes Berserk such a compelling narrative.

I agree.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on May 01, 2014, 10:36:57 PM
I didn't say you called them perfect. However, you did say it is "a version of the movies that preserved all the character development and plot while retaining modern animation", which just isn't the case. I don't feel like going through a list but surely you must know that the TV series footage you insert does not "retain modern animation" and that not all plot points or character development from the manga is translated to your project. That's all really.

 I amended what I said earlier to "preserves as much character development and plot as the source material allows" which I think is fair.  As far as the TV footage not being modern animation, I thought that was inherently understood by the description of the project.  Of course I can't reanimate these parts. I'm an editor not a disney animator.   I was referring to the inclusion of much of the movies, which is modern quality.  Obviously the project is a hybrid and if that turns you off... Sorry, but that's the project by definition. 

Just like his old art style was "updated" in the movies or TV series: by replacing it altogether with some generic. That's pretty much inevitable, and the same would happen with his current art style.

I think the movies' animation got better as it went along.  They may have progressed some of the techniques they were complaining were difficult such as combing CG for armor with 2D animation.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Vodnak on May 01, 2014, 11:58:34 PM
The fourth chapter is underway right now. Probably a day or so away. Definitely the darkest. It will correct a lot of the eclipse omissions and will include a part of the Black Swordsman.  Between the two sources, there is a n excellent story to be viewed.  Stay tuned!

I may have been harsh in the comment I made before, so I am looking forward to see this next part. Best of luck to you and I'll definitely keep an eye out for it.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on May 02, 2014, 01:29:44 AM
I may have been harsh in the comment I made before, so I am looking forward to see this next part. Best of luck to you and I'll definitely keep an eye out for it.

No worries.  If there areas that you feel could be improved upon in the edit, let me know. 

Bad news.  I recieved the fun message "This application has unexpectedly quit" after a six hour editing session last night.  I was able to recover a bit of my work, but it looks like I need to be saving more regularly.  The next chapter will be delayed a bit until I get another free day to do-over the remaining pieces. Ugh.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Heavenly Maiden on May 07, 2014, 04:47:29 PM
I enjoyed your efforts in doing this project, that takes a hell of a lot more dedication and time that I could ever apply to something, so I tip my hat to you. Good call on using the dub version of both of these since both versions use the same voice cast unlike the Japanese versions it makes it slightly less jarring, even though I prefer the Japanese cast in both cases.

I do wonder how you are going to handle the eclipse though. Both are very different from each other, especially the last scenes where Griffith has his way with Casca, you mentioned your use of the 97 anime version of the love scene in the previous installment because it was more tasteful are you planing to do the same during this scene in the fourth installment since it is less graphic? My opinion is that, even though the 97 anime was less raunchy the anime movies graphic depiction of what Griffith does to Casca is probably to more manga faithful and involved depiction of the two instances...though Casca looks more like she is legitimately getting raped in the 97 anime version.




Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Aazealh on May 07, 2014, 05:06:50 PM
though Casca looks more like she is legitimately getting raped in the 97 anime version.

Which is why the TV series' version is the more faithful one. The level of "graphicness" depicted doesn't matter nearly as much as to how it is being conveyed.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on May 11, 2014, 10:22:30 PM

The fourth and final chapter! And oh boy is it dark!  The Hawks camp being attacked by the Apostles.  A well paced rescue from Wyndham, full of doom and gloom. A proper unabridged Eclipse with a convincing vision of young Griffith.  Judeau's last words. No fan fic about Guts almost stabbing Femto. The Black Swordsman.  This movie is black as midnight.


BERSERK REDUX - Chapter 4: RISE OF THE HAWK  (https://vimeo.com/90751558)
URL: https://vimeo.com/90751558



Notable changes include:
-Color correction to match the animation styles of the two formats, especially during Eclipse sequence
-Brightening Anime Eclipse sequences in which no detail could previously be seen.
-Hundreds of minor cuts to make conversation flow more naturally
-Removal of most voice over and redundant dialogue throughout
-Removal of many background characters' commentary (Not all)
-Altered opening credits to be minimal and create an ominous tone
-Re-Replaced the Succubus Apostle in the woods with the Snake Baron for accuracy and because the scale was inconsistant with how she is portrayed later on.
-Restored The Hawk captains sneaking through the Wyndham cemetary
-Restored the passage through underground tunnels as well as commentary from Guts
-Restored the Hawk camp being attacked by Apostles with Rickert being the sole survivor. 
-Inserted cameo of Skull knight to intervene on Rickerts behalf.
-Restored the approach to the Tower of Rebirth and breaking in
-Restored Griffith's creepy monologue in prison before the Hawks rescue him
-Restored the Guts attacking the Midland soldiers outside the Tower including the arrogant captain
-Restored Casca wiping blood off a crazed Guts
-Brightened the escape from the city and pursuit
-Added Guts lines when the raiders want to leave with him about alwaysrealizing what he has after it's gone.
-Restored the original Beherit awakening animation
-Restored Ubik explaining the Beherit in more detail including that the Apostles all used them
-Replaced Guts realization of what Apostles are with flashback from Zodd battle.
-Restored some of Void's lines before the alter is raised
-Integrated a lot of the Anime into Griffith's boyhood vision, as the movie version isn't persuasive
-Restored more Godhand dialogue after the vision
-Replaced some of the flashback clips before Griffith sacrifices
-Replaced a shot of the hand closing around Griffith with the anime as it is more poignant
-Restored shots of Apostles beginning transformation over music from movie OST
-Restored Judeau escaping on horseback with Casca, getting wounded and horse eaten.
-Restored "Murder" soundtrack from anime for pacing
-Restored Judeau's last lines
-Restored Casca being assaulted by apostles after her sword breaks
-Restored Guts seening apostles manhandling Casca and fighting to get to her before Femto is born
-Slight edits to the rape to be less pornographic.  It's still disturbing as hell.
-Edited Guts's attempt to attack Femto so that he is not able to push his way through.  Comes off now as if Femto is toying with him.
-Removed credits between Black Swordsman suit up.  Goes right into it now.
-Intercut movie and anime Black Swordsman suit up.
-Included final sequence of Guts tracking down an Apostle who is raiding a town.  It is not the whole Black Swordsman episode, but rather just the climax for pacing reasons.  It is meant to show the beginning of Guts quest for vengeance as the Black Swordsman and give a bit more closure.
-Included a note in credits that the story continues on in the manga

CONTINUITY NOTE:
Due to merging two different sources of the same story, there are certain inevitable continuity errors. This edit focuses on character, story, and pacing over the continuity of wardrobe, art style, or minor details. These continuity errors are known and remain by choice.

Total Running time: 110 minutes

Final disclaimer: This fan-edit is for educational purposes only. I own all of this source media in a commercially available format and do not endorse piracy in any way.  ALL RIGHTS BELONG TO WARNER BROTHERS, STUDIO 4ºC, VIZ MEDIA, VAP, AND MEDIA BLASTERS. Viewers should own a commercially available version of the film and television show prior to viewing this fan-edit.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on May 13, 2014, 05:50:58 PM
I enjoyed your efforts in doing this project, that takes a hell of a lot more dedication and time that I could ever apply to something, so I tip my hat to you. Good call on using the dub version of both of these since both versions use the same voice cast unlike the Japanese versions it makes it slightly less jarring, even though I prefer the Japanese cast in both cases.

I do wonder how you are going to handle the eclipse though. Both are very different from each other, especially the last scenes where Griffith has his way with Casca, you mentioned your use of the 97 anime version of the love scene in the previous installment because it was more tasteful are you planing to do the same during this scene in the fourth installment since it is less graphic? My opinion is that, even though the 97 anime was less raunchy the anime movies graphic depiction of what Griffith does to Casca is probably to more manga faithful and involved depiction of the two instances...though Casca looks more like she is legitimately getting raped in the 97 anime version.

I missed this before.  You're right that a big reason for choosing the Dub was consistency among voice actors.  It made the switch back and forth a little more seamless.  It also doesn't hurt that I'm an English speaker and it seems to fit the European setting better.

I'd love to hear your take on how the Eclipse was handled.  It's where a large amount of the effort went.  For the rape, I decided to go with the new films as they seem more faithful to the manga, and because it's really uncomfortable to watch (as is the intention of the scene) I felt like the 97 anime gave you an idea of what's occurring but isn't putting you in the helpless position of Guts and Casca.  I did edit it a little bit where I felt a shot was holding too long here or there for taste reasons, but it's still very graphic.  I also removed most of Guts taking so long to react when Femto starts molesting her.  It made him appear thick in the head for taking so long to react.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Doc on May 13, 2014, 07:39:09 PM
Speaking of the dub, am I the only one who thought it was a marked improvement over the original anime? I know that's something of a backhanded compliment considering how shoddy it was, but from what I caught of Movie #2, the cast definitely raised their game. Whether it's down to better direction, the actors having more experience, or the expectation of dubbing a theatrical release, I don't know.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Delta Phi on May 13, 2014, 07:47:10 PM
Speaking of the dub, am I the only one who thought it was a marked improvement over the original anime? I know that's something of a backhanded compliment considering how shoddy it was, but from what I caught of Movie #2, the cast definitely raised their game. Whether it's down to better direction, the actors having more experience, or the expectation of dubbing a theatrical release, I don't know.

I didn't think so. I thought they were worse. It has been awhile since I watched the anime, but I thought Guts and Casca were as cringe-worthy as ever. I thought the movie script was weaker. Maybe rose-tinted glasses and my general disappointment with the story quality of the movies didn't allow me to appreciate the voice acting properly?
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Doc on May 14, 2014, 10:26:22 AM
I didn't think so. I thought they were worse. It has been awhile since I watched the anime, but I thought Guts and Casca were as cringe-worthy as ever. I thought the movie script was weaker. Maybe rose-tinted glasses and my general disappointment with the story quality of the movies didn't allow me to appreciate the voice acting properly?

I don't know, I got the impression with the '97 anime that a lot of the dub cast were kind of dicking around and didn't take the source material seriously which reflected in their performances and was underlined by the (admittedly hilarious) outtakes. I'm not suggesting this is a Grade A dub by any means, but of what I heard it was a little more polished and less cringeworthy than previous form.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on May 14, 2014, 06:47:10 PM
I didn't think so. I thought they were worse. It has been awhile since I watched the anime, but I thought Guts and Casca were as cringe-worthy as ever. I thought the movie script was weaker. Maybe rose-tinted glasses and my general disappointment with the story quality of the movies didn't allow me to appreciate the voice acting properly?

I agree that the movie script was much weaker especially waht they chose to cut and how they abridged some of the dialogue.  A lot of character was lost.  However I thought the voice actors had matured quite a bit in their performances.  One of the more interesting comparisons is the Voice actor who played Griffith.  Age brought out a much deeper voice for him.  While cutting back and forth in some scenes, especially his dialogue with Gennon at Doldrey, it became very pronounced.  I ended up re-cutting the whole sequence with the anime voices with the movie footage because the movie version attempts to to a data dump on their history that's really clunky.  It worked out well in the end.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on May 27, 2014, 03:28:47 PM
Had some time over the weekend to upgrade these all to HD quality.

https://vimeo.com/album/2610343 (https://vimeo.com/album/2610343)
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Doc on May 29, 2014, 03:56:41 PM
Good job, Bob. As far as fan-edits go, I don't think anyone could've asked for much more.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Heavenly Maiden on May 29, 2014, 04:39:44 PM
I'd love to hear your take on how the Eclipse was handled.  It's where a large amount of the effort went.  For the rape, I decided to go with the new films as they seem more faithful to the manga, and because it's really uncomfortable to watch (as is the intention of the scene) I felt like the 97 anime gave you an idea of what's occurring but isn't putting you in the helpless position of Guts and Casca.  I did edit it a little bit where I felt a shot was holding too long here or there for taste reasons, but it's still very graphic.  I also removed most of Guts taking so long to react when Femto starts molesting her.  That never sit right with me in the movie and made me think Guts was stupid for taking so long to react.

you did a good job, and yes I am glad you took out the bit whjere Guts stands there watching Griffith molest Casca like a dimwitted asshole. That pissed me off so much I growled at the tv screen when I first saw it. At any rate what version of the movie did you get? Because I am starting to wonder if I some how saw an edited version of the third movie because I never saw some of the clips that I saw of this one. Like a ip close shot of Femto's penis pumping into Casca for example...

Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on August 01, 2014, 08:55:40 PM
At any rate what version of the movie did you get? Because I am starting to wonder if I some how saw an edited version of the third movie because I never saw some of the clips that I saw of this one. Like a ip close shot of Femto's penis pumping into Casca for example...

Sorry I missed this.  I used the Japanese Blu Ray for the footage and the American Blu Ray for the dub.  The Japanese Blu Ray was reported to by uncensored and slightly more graphic for the eclipse, which was the direction I wanted to take it.  I then synced it with the English dub.

As a little bonus, I was messing around with the footage and put together a short little bit about the Age of Darkness.  Enjoy!

https://vimeo.com/102198879
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Heavenly Maiden on August 19, 2014, 04:30:00 PM
  One of the more interesting comparisons is the Voice actor who played Griffith.  Age brought out a much deeper voice for him.  While cutting back and forth in some scenes, especially his dialogue with Gennon at Doldrey, it became very pronounced.

I personaly felt like Griffith's V.A was trying to hard to sound sinister in a smooth "trying to be subtle about it, but not really" kind of way. Where as in the old 97 version he just came off as overly dramatic or painfully monotone. I think he was trying to do "subtle evil" because that was he was probably directed or told was what Griffith's character is all about but it came off too...much?
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: bs3311 on August 21, 2014, 02:17:20 AM
Speaking of the dub, am I the only one who thought it was a marked improvement over the original anime? I know that's something of a backhanded compliment considering how shoddy it was, but from what I caught of Movie #2, the cast definitely raised their game. Whether it's down to better direction, the actors having more experience, or the expectation of dubbing a theatrical release, I don't know.

Hi, I'm new here. But yeah, I was not a fan of dubs until I watched the Berserk dub. Though I hated the voices from the beginning. The scenes from the middle to end of the Golden Age were top notch IMO. I prefer watching the 97 eclipse dubbed mostly because Marc Diraison as Guts really brings out the fearful yet maddening tone out of him. The final scream at the end really brings out what I felt near the end of the Golden Age arc. Overall, everyone was good. But the movie brought them to a whole new level. Though I'm okay with the replacment of Corkus. Yet the downfall was the script in the movie indefinently. But with this Fanedit, it solved most of my problems.  :ubik:

I can enjoy the japanese dub to. I adored Guts Seiyuu in the series and games as well. But with the movies..........It was totally dull. Even a non japanese listening person can hear them just reading along the script without any, "umph!" Guts sounded like a teen traped in a mans body. He is basically a medival conan batman, man his tone up!  :guts: Griffith's tone felt like a calm Leorio from HunterXHunter. Close but no cigar compared to Kevin T. Collins. His line, "I find you fasinating." brought 10000 more chills down my spine from the sense of obssesion.  :griffnotevil: And Casca's seiyuu had a mumbled and confused tone, more like a stereotyped tsundere. Carolyn Keranen felt like a badass mix of Monica Rial and Luci Christian. She was getting as much power as she could out of the script with each line of dialouge. With a sure fire tone in that she felt she was in control.  :casca:

So the victor goes the english dub IMO. But with reading the manga, most of the exitement comes from my imagination. I wish they gone, "Berserk" with Guts cry in the final scene before the Skull Knight in the eclipse. He did elevate his scream after each one compared to the emo spoony experiment cry from the japanese dub. But I was thinking a mindless man possesed in anger but fearful of his life trying to rip his way out of the demons clutches. Not crying. So the best voice acting goes to my brain  :void:

Hope I didn't offend and hope I can make good posts in the future  :ganishka:
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Patou244 on September 09, 2014, 09:33:34 PM
I really enjoyed this project you did ApostleBob it made the movies seem slightly more bearable and it was the first time I seen the new movies in it's dubbed form. I am glad you chose the english dub for your project rather than the japanese one.

 In my opinion the new japanese cast for the movies do not compare to the original voice cast from the Berserk anime series. I really liked Nobutoshi Canna as Guts in 97 anime series alot better than the new guy they got. I know some people have complained that Nobutoshi Canna voice does not fit Guts but I thought he did a good job with him, he has this very raw almost guttural quality to his voice that I really liked. Same for Casca's voice actress in the 97 anime Yuko Miyamura. To me she is the definite Casca voice and I hear her voice in my head when I read the manga. I read someone say in another thread on here that her voice was too shrill but I disagree. I like the take Yuko Miyamura did on Casca's voice in the 97 anime because it was both feminine sounding without sounding too girly, but appropriately tough. This is an important quality for Casca because I feel that japanese actresses, when voicing a tough or warrior type female character tend to pitch their voices to low and come off sounding kind of mannish I really dislike that when it happens. Like a female character can't sound tough unless she sounds like a guy whose voice is about to change. And the voice actress for Casca in the movie absolutely does this and it was a turn off for me.

That is why I am glad that you went with the english dub cast and I appreciate that the 97 anime cast was brought back. I prefere the japanese voice cast to the dub actors but they were not bad. I think they have all improved over time and I honestly do not mind Marc Diraison and Carrie Keranen as Guts and Casca respectively. It was kind of fun how with your project I could see side by side how they did their performances from years ago and now and how they have changed things up and/or improved. Kevin T. Collins as Griffith has changed alot and I am still undecided on how I feel about his performance. Whoever said that he was trying a bit too hard in trying sound "subtle" while being evil hit the mark. Not sure how I feel about it.

You have alot of motivation to go and do something like this I am really impressed with your efferts on threading the two versions together into one in as most seemless and coherent manner the two source materials would allow. I enjoyed watching these very much and I think you did a great job with trying to make the saturation and music match up. Your editing skills are pretty good...what sort of editing software did you use? It also makes me think that the movies should have been four or more to cover the the material. I sort of wish though that you could have been able to squeeze in the scene where Casca, fatigued, drops to her knees, and Guts tough talks her. It is one of my favorite Guts+Casca moments, but I understand to make it flow smoothly you probably had to sacrifice that. Good job.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Erebus on October 15, 2014, 08:39:23 AM
Hello Apostle Bob,

Thank you for all your work on this project!  You have synthesised the various sources into a thing of beauty.  I actually find the joining of different art styles somehow emphasises the sense of layers of mystery and character development.  When I read your description I was very curious how you would use intersperse the various clips within the same scenes.  I have to say you have done it excellently and although I did find a lot to enjoy in the movies I was saddened at the loss of so many characterful moments that you have bought back with this redux version.

At the moment I am part way through film two and especially liked Casca's flashback narrative (and loved the Zod encounter in your first film).  I will be watching all four films back-to-back and can already say with confidence that yours is the definative Berserk animation for me and the one I will be returning to in the future.

Someone give Bob a consultancy role in the development of future Berserk movies! 

Regards

Erebus  :SK:
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: estebanrules on October 17, 2014, 01:08:57 AM
I discovered these recently on Vimeo and I must say...they kick ass.

I'm a long-time Berserk fan that just joined up here skullknight.net.

That's for the awesome edit! :guts:
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on October 18, 2014, 07:48:14 PM
Hello Apostle Bob,

Thank you for all your work on this project!  You have synthesised the various sources into a thing of beauty.  I actually find the joining of different art styles somehow emphasises the sense of layers of mystery and character development.  When I read your description I was very curious how you would use intersperse the various clips within the same scenes.  I have to say you have done it excellently and although I did find a lot to enjoy in the movies I was saddened at the loss of so many characterful moments that you have bought back with this redux version.

At the moment I am part way through film two and especially liked Casca's flashback narrative (and loved the Zod encounter in your first film).  I will be watching all four films back-to-back and can already say with confidence that yours is the definative Berserk animation for me and the one I will be returning to in the future.

Someone give Bob a consultancy role in the development of future Berserk movies! 

Regards

Erebus  :SK:

Thank you.  Very high praise indeed.  I'm glad you enjoyed it.

I discovered these recently on Vimeo and I must say...they kick ass.

I'm a long-time Berserk fan that just joined up here skullknight.net.

That's for the awesome edit! :guts:

Thanks a bunch. 

I really enjoyed this project you did ApostleBob it made the movies seem slightly more bearable and it was the first time I seen the new movies in it's dubbed form. I am glad you chose the english dub for your project rather than the japanese one.

You have alot of motivation to go and do something like this I am really impressed with your efforts on threading the two versions together into one in as most seemless and coherent manner the two source materials would allow. I enjoyed watching these very much and I think you did a great job with trying to make the saturation and music match up. Your editing skills are pretty good...what sort of editing software did you use? It also makes me think that the movies should have been four or more to cover the the material. I sort of wish though that you could have been able to squeeze in the scene where Casca, fatigued, drops to her knees, and Guts tough talks her. It is one of my favorite Guts+Casca moments, but I understand to make it flow smoothly you probably had to sacrifice that. Good job.

Thanks for the kind words.  I too, prefer the english dub, but it also afforded me the opportunity to keep the voices consistent between the films and the anime.  I used Final Cut Pro 7 to edit, and I highly recommend it to any aspiring editors out there.

As far as that Casca and Guts scene you alluded to, it was cut for a couple reasons.  First it was cut for pacing reasons to get things moving along; we already had plenty of moments showing friction between Guts and Casca.  Second it felt weird to portray Guts in such a misogynistic light right after the two of them started to grow together and after he heard how much she had been through to prove herself as a warrior despite her gender.  It just seemed callous and a step backwards.  I could be persuaded to re-insert it with enough support though.

I will be updating these soon to include a higher resolution version of all the '97 anime footage, as the original dvds had some blurred lines, contrast issues and washed out colors.  I couldn't say when the new versions will all be available as it's a decent amount of effort to re-sync these things.  However, if anyone has any other feedback on the movies, things to change, add or remove, now's the time to bring it up.  Here's an example of the quality difference you'll see.  I've transitioned back and forth in this scene to show the old footage vs. the new stuff:

https://vimeo.com/107671904
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on October 23, 2014, 05:17:27 PM
Berserk Redux Update:  I’m finished enhancing the first film with higher resolution footage from the ’97 anime.  Things look much less blurry, the color and contrast has been fixed, and there are no more tape marks at edit points.  I’ve also added  about 12 minutes of additional footage to include the night raid through the woods when Guts first joins the Hawks.  It’s one of the worst animated battles, but I think I’ve made it look a lot better by cutting out the filler animation and tightening it up.  This also means for the first time, “Forces” will be included in Redux.   :serpico:

What I have on Vimeo does have some small compression due to a 5 GB file size limit per upload but is HD. Once all four films are enhanced I plan on releasing them on a file share at a much larger size to minimize compression for those that want a purist HD version.  In the meantime, enjoy!

BERSERK REDUX - Chapter 1: THE BAND OF THE HAWK. (https://vimeo.com/79039155)
URL: https://vimeo.com/79039155
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on October 26, 2014, 09:27:50 PM
Berserk Redux Update:

The second film is updated. I'm particularly proud of this chapter as it has the most intercutting between film and anime, and it looks gorgeous with the updated footage, particularly in the 100 man fight. Things look much less blurry, the color and contrast has been fixed, and there are no more tape marks at edit points.

It's also a favorite as the three main characters are really fully fleshed out in it, and the medieval warfare is unparalleled in this part of the series. Enjoy!  :serpico:

BERSERK REDUX - Chapter 2: THE HUNDRED YEAR WAR (https://vimeo.com/79562848)
URL: https://vimeo.com/79562848
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Salem on October 27, 2014, 12:27:53 PM
Thank you so much for taking the time and effort combining both anime and film!  I was planning on doing this but you beat me to it a long time ago and did it better than my initial thoughts of a project like this.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on October 28, 2014, 03:26:46 PM
Thanks.  Didn't realize other people had this in mind as well.  Feedback is always welcome as I update it, there is some wiggle room for changes.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Salem on October 28, 2014, 06:16:03 PM
My thought was combine everything that wasn't a repetitive line and make one smooth movie/series.  Never thought to edit contrast, sharpness, or any other filter to match.  I thought about not doing flashbacks and make the timeline constant, but would probably leave flashbacks as they appear in the manga.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Beherit. on October 29, 2014, 04:38:44 AM
Thanks.  Didn't realize other people had this in mind as well.  Feedback is always welcome as I update it, there is some wiggle room for changes.

Just finished watching Chapter 1, and after getting used to the annoying English dubbing, (Although, I like Zodd's and some of the nobleman's voices better in English) I enjoyed it.  Thanks for spending so much time creating it.  As far as editing feedback goes: Some sections were seemless, such as the added scene with (Dilos, I think his name was?) trying to tell Guts, Zodd was destroying his men.  Although, it seemed like you got a bit attached to the Zodd fight scene, trying to show too much; there were too many quick jumps between mediums.
The anime scene added right before the '3 years later' battle scene in the movie was a great addition and flowed really well.  That's all I can think of, off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on November 07, 2014, 07:58:59 PM
Some sections were seemless, such as the added scene with (Dilos, I think his name was?) trying to tell Guts, Zodd was destroying his men.  Although, it seemed like you got a bit attached to the Zodd fight scene, trying to show too much; there were too many quick jumps between mediums.
The anime scene added right before the '3 years later' battle scene in the movie was a great addition and flowed really well.

Thanks for the feedback.  I really felt like the films fight sequence with Zodd was poorly handled.  Some nice animation in it, but far too abbreviated.  It's now extended to be one of the standout action sequences in the first film. 

On another note, I was wondering if anyone had access to the Test Footage of the movies that was shown briefly in their early promos?  It included Guts fighting the Holy Iron Chain Nights, Griffith in his new armor, Long haired Casca, and Puck.  Even if just a portion of it would be nice.  I'd like to add an end of credits teaser at the end of the first movie.  HD is preferable. 
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Walter on November 07, 2014, 08:23:15 PM
On another note, I was wondering if anyone had access to the Test Footage of the movies that was shown briefly in their early promos?  It included Guts fighting the Holy Iron Chain Nights, Griffith in his new armor, Long haired Casca, and Puck.  Even if just a portion of it would be nice.  I'd like to add an end of credits teaser at the end of the first movie.  HD is preferable.

The test footage was never fully leaked. Just a few pictures surfaced back in 2009 or so. Later, we saw footage from the test appear mixed in with the 5 so-called CMs (commercials) for the Golden Age project. I believe you can find those in the first post of the stickied Project thread, but I don't think they were ever released in HD.

Update:
CM1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lihPs4BoDvo
CM2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4m9sDeor3o
CM3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWibBuWvZbA
CM4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAqSkxKAKFM
CM5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7fn_SMH284
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on November 07, 2014, 09:18:21 PM
Thanks Walter.  I'd seen these around before but the quality has always been pretty spotty on these clips.  I do recall a Japanese hour long special about the trilogy back around the time of the first movie's release that included quite a bit of footage from the Test Footage, including some early Doldrey action as well.  It's probably a long shot, but does anyone still have a copy of this that would be willing to file share?
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Walter on November 07, 2014, 09:51:40 PM
I remember the video you're referencing and can probably find it in the project thread  It's from a Japanese TV show where they interviewed the director. It didn't amount to more than a few seconds of footage, though. Not sure it'd be worthwhile for your purposes.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on November 07, 2014, 11:17:20 PM
I think I found it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJo9HtK10oM&feature=player_embedded

I wish there was more, but it's the best quality I've found.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on November 13, 2014, 03:27:52 PM
Berserk Redux Update:

I’m finished enhancing the third film with higher resolution footage from the ’97 anime. The third film has the most footage from the anime by far, as the films omitted the plot with the Queen and Foss, and entirely removed Guts's time away from the Hawks. Things look much less blurry, the color and contrast has been fixed, and there are no more tape marks at edit points. The night scenes really stand out in this upgrade with a lot more detail being present and a vividness to colors that wasn't present before. Enjoy!  :serpico:


BERSERK REDUX - Chapter 3: SPARKS AND DREAMS (https://vimeo.com/79562848)
URL: https://vimeo.com/90216306
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on November 20, 2014, 03:33:51 PM
Berserk Redux Update:

I’m finished enhancing the forth film with higher resolution footage from the ’97 anime. The forth extends the plot far beyond the eclipse and hints at Guts path as the Black Swordsman. I've even added a stinger that includes some of the test footage that initially got the films funded. Overall the film looks much better especially the dark scenes, which there are many.  Things look much less blurry, the color and contrast has been fixed, and there are no more tape marks at edit points. The night and eclipse scenes really stand out in this upgrade with a lot more detail being present and a vividness to colors that wasn't present before. Enjoy!   :void: :ubik: :slan: :femto:


BERSERK REDUX - Chapter 4: Rise of the Hawk (https://vimeo.com/90751558)

Full Series: https://vimeo.com/album/2610343
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Delta Phi on November 20, 2014, 10:49:54 PM
Nice! Now that these are finish (again) I think it's time for a marathon...  :daiba:
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on December 26, 2014, 06:32:28 AM
All of these are available for download now!
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Mechanized82 on January 21, 2015, 02:59:46 PM
Just giving my opinion here.  I liked watching these a lot until I noticed the soundtrack music skipping during the raid after griffith beat guts.  Were there pieces chopped out of the original anime to shorten it?  Id rather watch an extra half hour of the movie then have the sound track ruined.  Music plays such a crucial role in setting mood and when it skips around it sounds horrible.  I am a musician so perhaps I am more sound oriented than most people, but I noticed this right away and it made me cringe.  I'd fix that. 
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Walter on January 21, 2015, 03:49:11 PM
Just giving my opinion here.  I liked watching these a lot until I noticed the soundtrack music skipping during the raid after griffith beat guts.  Were there pieces chopped out of the original anime to shorten it?

He would need access to isolated voice and music tracks, so I think that's just an inherent limitation.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on January 21, 2015, 05:49:19 PM
Just giving my opinion here.  I liked watching these a lot until I noticed the soundtrack music skipping during the raid after griffith beat guts.  Were there pieces chopped out of the original anime to shorten it?  Id rather watch an extra half hour of the movie then have the sound track ruined.  Music plays such a crucial role in setting mood and when it skips around it sounds horrible.  I am a musician so perhaps I am more sound oriented than most people, but I noticed this right away and it made me cringe.  I'd fix that.

Good ear.  I made a conscious effort to try and hide or transition music whenever cuts were made, but if you’re intimately familiar with the OST (or in your case a musician) you might spot them.  As Walter said, unless I can isolate the different audio tracks on the movie and anime, the best I can do is try to hide the cuts with transitions or in the rhythm.  There were a ton of cuts to the anime, as it is full of dead space and redundant dialogue throughout.  Unanimated blank expressions staring for seconds on end.  Characters saying the same thing three different ways or stating the obvious.  Stuff you’d never miss that adds a ton of length to the run time and slows the pace to a grind. 
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Mechanized82 on January 22, 2015, 02:02:41 PM
Yeah, I guess your only choice is to use the dead space/redundant dialogue or to cut up the OST.  Honestly, I'd opt for the former.  Just my opinion though.  Even though my ear picks up on that stuff quickly, I still think others will notice it as well but just not be able to pin point what felt or seemed wrong. 

Either way, thank you for the hard work.  :) These are still fun to watch.  I wish the movies followed the same idea, they were so disappointing.  :/
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on January 22, 2015, 05:53:22 PM
If I have time, I may go in and smooth things out a bit more.  Let me know the areas that seem especially egregious and I can address them.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Mechanized82 on January 23, 2015, 01:00:14 AM
I'm not sure you want me to do that, I'll probably find every single sound flaw and make your life hell lol. They are all egregious to me only because I notice them so easily.  Has anyone else commented on this issue?  If not then maybe it isn't worth the effort. 
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on January 23, 2015, 03:25:56 AM
You're the first, but that doesn't mean there aren't issues to fix.  I've done several revisions since releasing the project, but only a few due to audio.  I can't promise 100% fixing as the intent is really to make things feel cinematic in pace while conforming to the manga as much as possible, but I can try.  A few frames here or there to make a transition smoother is definitely doable.  Out of curiosity, have you seen it all, or just the first one?
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Mechanized82 on January 23, 2015, 02:31:49 PM
Just the first one so far.  Haven't had time to see the rest, but I plan to soon. 
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on February 04, 2015, 07:36:15 AM
I just created a trailer for the Redux project.  Very much in the spirit of Gone Girl and the Social Network trailers. 

https://vimeo.com/118679440
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: yynderjohn on February 05, 2015, 05:21:27 PM
I had an itch to check out Skullknight today, thanks Apostle Bob!  Going to download these now!
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Delta Phi on February 09, 2015, 03:29:46 PM
I just created a trailer for the Redux project.  Very much in the spirit of Gone Girl and the Social Network trailers. 

https://vimeo.com/118679440

Really enjoyed the trailer, Bob. Maybe not a great "theatrical" trailer since it's essentially a condensed narrative of the Golden Age arc (and long, but I assume that's to show off some of your splicing), but it's enjoyable for those already familiar with the series. What was the music selection? I thought it brought a really nice tone to the whole thing.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on February 09, 2015, 06:16:42 PM
Glad you enjoyed it.  I’ve seen so many AMVs that focus just on the violence and action of the series, and I wanted to focus on something that I feel like is often under represented: The amazing character development of the series.  The trailer is meant to show case the inclusion of the two mediums and how they complement each other, while also giving a feel to a newcomer of what Berserk is all about.  I tried to avoid any major spoilers while cranking up the tension as much as possible.  I avoided anything after the second duel of Guts and Griffith, aside from a hint of the Eclipse so that people expect some fantasy elements.  As to its length, it’s essentially a trailer for four movies in one, so I felt like 4 minutes was justified. 

The song is called “Vengeance” by Zack Hemsey from “The Equalizer” soundtrack.  I felt like it had a good foreboding tone, with an almost inevitable march toward doom without being too overbearing.  I like how simple it is. 
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Delta Phi on February 09, 2015, 10:51:35 PM
I think you succeeded in everything you said above, and I did appreciate how you avoided showing major spoilers.

Glad you enjoyed it.  I’ve seen so many AMVs that focus just on the violence and action of the series, and I wanted to focus on something that I feel like is often under represented: The amazing character development of the series.

The song is called “Vengeance” by Zack Hemsey from “The Equalizer” soundtrack.  I felt like it had a good foreboding tone, with an almost inevitable march toward doom without being too overbearing.  I like how simple it is.

Definitely. It all felt much more dramatic this way. It's a refreshing change from screeching guitars and screaming choirs.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on July 29, 2015, 08:13:58 PM
I'm currently working on a cosmetic update to the series with a new Codec that will fix some resolution issues. I've tried to nail this issue before, but I finally have it. To get a sense of what's to come, check out the trailer for the updated resolution.

https://vimeo.com/118679440

As those with keen eyes might notice there are some minor flaws here that are still being ironed out. Everything else outside resolution will remain the same.

This being said, I have a request from the SK community. I currently have very high res versions of both the movies and the anime that will be included. In addition to this, there is a very small amount at the very end of the fourth film that includes some footage of the Test footage that the studio used to convince Miura to allow them to make the movies.  This includes some Black swordsman fight footage, as well as Griffith in his Post Albion armor. This all comes from a half hour japanese program promoting the release of the first movie, which is mainly interviews.  The resolution I have on this is SD and a little compressed at that.  Does anyone have a higher res version of this? I know there was a Download for it back in the day. 

If I'm updating everything, I may as well keep the standard for everything as high as I can. Thanks in advance for any help on this.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: skullknight95 on July 31, 2015, 07:12:31 AM
Looks  great looking forward to it
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: bam555eld on July 31, 2015, 03:17:10 PM
This being said, I have a request from the SK community. I currently have very high res versions of both the movies and the anime that will be included. In addition to this, there is a very small amount at the very end of the fourth film that includes some footage of the Test footage that the studio used to convince Miura to allow them to make the movies.  This includes some Black swordsman fight footage, as well as Griffith in his Post Albion armor. This all comes from a half hour japanese program promoting the release of the first movie, which is mainly interviews.  The resolution I have on this is SD and a little compressed at that.  Does anyone have a higher res version of this? I know there was a Download for it back in the day.
Do u have a link to these footage? or to the program? :carcus:
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on August 03, 2015, 03:53:48 PM
It's here:

http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv75949877

Walter describes it on page 35 of the Berserk Saga thread.  Not sure if anyone has access to this but if they were able to upload the test footage at high quality, I'd be much obliged!  I'm nearing this portion of the conversion and need a high def portion of this section.

I currently have a shitty SD version of it from here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJo9HtK10oM&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Walter on August 03, 2015, 06:37:35 PM
Unfortunately, that YouTube link is the highest quality available of the test footage, and will probably remain that way forever. I mean, I'm surprised we got to see ANY of it. On top of that there is of course the footage shown during the commercials ahead of the release of the first movie. Those show Guts as Black Swordsman chopping through some HICKs in vol 16 and of course Griffth presumably on the Hill of Swords.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on August 03, 2015, 07:37:50 PM
On top of that there is of course the footage shown during the commercials ahead of the release of the first movie. Those show Guts as Black Swordsman chopping through some HICKs in vol 16 and of course Griffth presumably on the Hill of Swords.

Does anyone know of any high quality versions of either of those commercials?
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: bam555eld on August 04, 2015, 04:39:37 PM
Ty for the link :D
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on August 20, 2015, 11:23:16 AM
I’m happy to announce that Berserk Redux is now available in much higher resolution for all four films. For those unfamiliar with Berserk Redux, it is a fan-edit that blends the Berserk anime with the recent Berserk movie trilogy, to make a series of films more faithful to the source manga, more cinematic in pace, and richer in both character and story.  Both the films and the series had their advantages and shortcomings.  The films looked great but had many glaring story and character omissions, and the anime had deeper characters but omissions in other places and dated animation.  Put together, the two overlap nicely with each filling the gap in the other, and I’ve trimmed out any filler or non-canon content that bogs it down.
 
How was this done? After experimenting with different Codecs, I found one that’s retaining almost all the resolution through the compression process. This will stand out especially for the clips from the Golden Age trilogy which often have fine detail in the armor and crowds, and in the Eclipse, where the reds were previously pixelating much worse than elsewhere. This took a lot of work as each clip needed to be filtered to preserve the proper aspect ratio.
 
There are no new edits to the films from previous versions of Redux, nor is the anime cropped to be letterbox.  This was attempted at one point, but it became quickly apparent that while the animation is under par of the films, the anime makes up for this with the beautiful framing of each shot. Cropping half the picture ruined this and often omitted crucial detail, and lowered resolution through picture blow up.  I know some may find the switch between mediums jarring at first, but I promise that the story flows much better than any other version out there. 
 
This is very likely the final improvement to Berserk Redux before I consider it complete.  It is available for download, but you should own a copy of the films and anime before doing so to support the original creators.
 
Thank you very much for all your support.  The Redux series has reached 90,000 views which is incredible for a fan-edit series of two hour films. Hopefully this updated version will make the viewing experience even better for all future audiences. Thanks.

https://vimeo.com/album/2610343
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: TheAlmightyLoli on August 26, 2015, 08:53:27 PM
Dude. Best of both worlds. Kick ass.

Now we just have to wait until they actually adapt something other than Golden Age.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Patrick on September 03, 2015, 02:38:24 AM
I watched the trailer earlier today and I have to say that I can't wait to see this!

Hopefully I'll have the time to sit through it all this upcoming weekend.

Thank you for all of your hard work, ApostleBob! I really appreciate it!   :ubik:
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on September 04, 2015, 11:24:42 AM
Thanks, I hope you enjoy it!
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on September 14, 2015, 09:15:29 PM
I recently received a Vimeo notice to remove Berserk Redux as they view it as a movie rip. This was always a possibility and I get their perspective. I'm going to try to appeal this as it's not a rip but a blending of 25 episodes and three movies into a four movie long fan edit distinctly different from the original. I don't hold out much hope though, so if you want to view it, you likely have only a day or so to before it is no longer available. We'll see how the appeal goes. Thanks for the feedback so far.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Grail on September 14, 2015, 10:03:23 PM
I recently received a Vimeo notice to remove Berserk Redux as they view it as a movie rip. This was always a possibility and I get their perspective. I'm going to try to appeal this as it's not a rip but a blending of 25 episodes and three movies into a four movie long fan edit distinctly different from the original. I don't hold out much hope though, so if you want to view it, you likely have only a day or so to before it is no longer available. We'll see how the appeal goes. Thanks for the feedback so far.

Sorry to hear that, man. I know you've been working hard on it for quite some time now, so I hope that it gets to stay up.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on September 16, 2015, 02:51:46 PM
No word yet on the appeal, so it's up until then :)

UPDATE:

I just received this:

"Thanks for reaching out and thank you for your patience. This was a tough call for our moderators, but unfortunately Vimeo declines to host this material. As you know, the golden rule of Vimeo is that you are only permitted to upload videos that you had a hand in creating. While your fan edit is indeed ‘touched’ by your edits, the majority of the content is ripped from movies and television.

Regarding ‘fair use,’ we appreciate your appeal, however, you have yet you did not provide a sufficient basis for claiming “fair use” of the identified material.

Please remove this and any other ripped content by Friday, September 18, 2015.

Thank you for your understanding."

So the appeal was denied.

I will look into alternate hosting options, but in the meantime, you have a couple days to access it before it is turned off. Thanks for the support so far!

I'll keep you posted on alternate viewing options.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Walter on September 17, 2015, 12:22:27 PM
Sounds like they gave you a fair shake.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Ganishka on September 17, 2015, 03:14:59 PM
This must have taken a colossal amount of work, thank you for this.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on September 17, 2015, 03:54:02 PM
Sounds like they gave you a fair shake.

Yup. I gave it my best shot, and I understand their position. No hard feelings towards them. This was always a possibility.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Hexates on September 23, 2015, 06:27:28 PM
@ApostleBob:
Although I have not been able to watch the Redux versions yet, having only peeked inside the first episode, I want to commend you for this great effort to the entire Berserk community :ubik: I'm sure you have made thousands of fans very happy! (happiness being a rare commodity in the Berserk uni- and fanverse)
I suppose there isn't any other option to view the fanedit online just yet, but I will keep a close eye on this thread for any news.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on October 08, 2015, 11:26:18 PM
Special thanks to Grail for making this awesome picture for me as part of the patreon project!  It's just amazing! Making it the main image for the Redux thread.

(http://i.imgur.com/6PGKCkL.png)
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Walter on October 09, 2015, 02:00:59 AM
Special thanks to Grail for making this awesome picture for me as part of the patreon project!  It's just amazing! Making it the main image for the Redux thread.

(http://i.imgur.com/6PGKCkL.png)
Wow! Love the re-enactment. Seeing SK and Void behind the camera gave me a giddy kind of laughter  :badbone: :ubik: Griff as diva was also a nice touch.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Aazealh on October 09, 2015, 05:34:54 AM
Great illustration, love it! :guts:
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Grail on October 09, 2015, 04:47:14 PM
Aw, thanks guys, I appreciate it! :slan: This was a fun picture to work on, and I'm very pleased with how it turned out. I think Azan was my personal favorite.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Oburi on October 09, 2015, 04:53:58 PM
Damn Grail! That's fantastic! Love Void  :void:
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Tama on October 09, 2015, 05:57:03 PM
Wow I love it! Your artwork always amazes me. :)
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: JMP on October 12, 2015, 08:05:24 PM
Very cool, Grail!  :guts: So much fun stuff to look at in this picture. I like Zodd in his apostle form costume and Guts there looking over his lines. :ganishka:
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: Vixen Comics on October 15, 2015, 07:14:26 PM
I love the expressions of Azan and farnese. Adorable!  :ubik: I also love the stink eye Sonia is giving Charlotte as she is passing by Griffith getting fawned over by her.
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on July 07, 2017, 04:41:32 PM
Berserk Redux - Chapter 5: The Black Swordsman is now out. The new fan-edit continues on from right where the previous one ends, at the Eclipse. With his comrades all lost, Guts goes down a new path into darkness against impossible odds, and becomes a dark legend hunted by the Holy See.

For those unfamiliar, Berserk Redux is a project aiming at blending together the Golden age trilogy, the ’97 anime, the 2016 anime, and the musou game into a more faithful and cinematic narrative than the originals presented. The original media in each often left plot and character moment holes that other media filled. These fan-edits aim to fix that.
This particular fan-edit combines media from several sources to put together a Berserk plot arc not found fully in any of the media available, but only in scattered pieces. This led to four different primary sources for this film (the most so far) as well as significant help from the Berserk Fan dub community to fix several incorrect lines, and create previously non-existent plot elements.

Those familiar with the manga will know that the Count and the Lost Children arc are unavailable on any media outside the manga, and the 2016 anime takes several liberties, so don’t consider this a replacement for either the very excellent manga, nor any of the original media included for that matter, all of which has it’s own unique tone and personality.

Special thanks to Mista_L for audio splitting, and to the team at Berserk Fandub, CapnFloof, Lucien1911, Bomberguy, Diegmeist, Henry Schraeder, Crok425, and Shin Chie, and Manganomix for additional voice work.

CHANGES:
- This fan-edit combines The Golden Age: Advent, The '97 Berserk anime, The Berserk Musou game, and Berserk 2016, making this film the first Redux with so many different media sources.
- The 2016 footage is uncensored and has updated animations
- English Dub used for consistency with previous Redux entries
- All commercial break logos cut
- Replaced narrator dialogue with better voice actor that sounds like Void
- Updated the title sequence to have a dark skinned Casca and new music
- Updated the Dragon Slayer Clang Sound to sound less ridiculous
- Skull knight meeting now includes a lot of additional dialogue to set up the interstice better and explain the Demon Child, and Guts's quest for vengeance
- Casca giving birth is included
- Puck is now included in the bar scene after the time skip
- Added iconic 'It was too big to be called a sword' line after it's first use in the bar.
- Guts has nightmares about the Eclipse while camping in the woods
- Guts's encounter with the spectres at night in the '97 anime has been shortened due to looking bad and being very redundant to the dialogue after the skeleton fight
- The Demon Tree is removed due to it upstaging the snake Baron, being strangely placed, and using the canon too frequently. It is also confusing to Guts nightly hauntings
- The Snake Baron story is included
- The tree does not attack after the skeletons, and the skeleton fight is slightly extended.
- Collette and Morgan are included in the Bar scene, making them recurring characters
- Additional frames have been added to fight sequences that move too fast in 2016
- Added preview footage when Guts kills the second set of Holy Iron Chain Knights, because the original looked cheap and sloppy
- Flashback to Golden Age after Guts is captured uses original dialogue from '97 anime
- Small edits in Farnese's interrogation to remove some of the cheaper looking flashbacks
- Changed sword hits on spectres to match the sound from the Golden Age: Advent film
- Added small eclipse flashback to make the Apostles dialogue make more sense
- Cut about a minute of the Apostle and Guts talking about meat quality
- Small edits with the possessed Horse to make the scene look less pervy, but still feel uncomfortable
- Theres nothing I can do about the credits over the final images

The link to it can be found over at https://www.reddit.com/r/Berserk/
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: ApostleBob on September 12, 2017, 03:43:14 PM
The Black Swordsman is back. The latest fan-edit continues on from right where the previous one ends, with Guts on his quest for revenge against the Apostles and God Hand. But an urgent vision shared by all leads him back to Casca, who he had left in the safety of his friends. Meanwhile, after witnessing the supernatural with Guts, Farnese buries her insecurities with her faith by doubling down on religious duties by assisting an Inquisition into suspected Heretics at an ancient holy tower.

Notable inclusions in this edit are Zodd’s vision, and an extended and fixed encounter between Guts and Skull Knight. Farnese and Serpico are no longer overtly brother and sister. Many other smaller edits, and voice dubbing have been made to correct the story and avoid visual confusion. The aim is to make this feel like a movie.

If any problems are spotted, please call them out and I’ll do my best to correct them in the next update.

There will be at least one more Redux coming to complete the Conviction arc.

Special thanks to Mista_L for audio splitting, and to the team at Berserk Fandub, CapnFloof, Lucien1911, Bomberguy, Diegmeist, Henry Schraeder, Crok425, and Shin Chie, and Manganomix for additional voice work.

CHANGES:
-Color correction will bring all four animation sources looking similar.
-Zodd prophesy scene added from Musou with new dialogue
-All commercial transitions removed
-All references to Farnese and Serpico being siblings has been removed.
-The encounter between SK and Guts has been re-dubbed and extended to be more accurate
-The heretic orgy has more ominous cult music.
-Clang has been diminished
-Many unnecessary crazy camera moves have been modified to be more coherent

The link to it can be found over at https://www.reddit.com/r/Berserk/
Title: Re: Berserk Redux: A Fanedit of the Golden Age and the '97 anime
Post by: DANGERDOOOOM on September 12, 2017, 08:10:35 PM
Nice, thanks Bob! I forgot about the Berserk Redux project till now.

This gives me the chance to watch Berserk 2016 in English, which so far to me seems to be a really bad fandub (except the sweet PS4 Berserk and the Band of the Hawk Zodd scene :serpico:)