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Title: Episode 228
Post by: Olivier Hague on September 10, 2003, 03:53:28 PM
'Might be BS. We'll see.

An Apostle tries(/A few Apostles try) to interfere with the fight and gets(/get) slaughtered.
Schierke enters the spiritual world in order to help Guts. She sees memories of the Occultation within his mind. Some kind of a pentacle/magical circle/whatever created by Flora appears in the darkness.

'Looks like Miura's "project" was... "Berserk Trading Cards". ^^;
There will be 160 different cards, and 50 of them will be new illustrations (O_o).
Title: Re:Chapter 228
Post by: TenJin on September 10, 2003, 04:16:17 PM
promising chapter as usual.

"trading cards"... i was hoping for something else. But 50 new illustrations is a nice thing. Is there any word yet about a new artbook?
Title: Re:Chapter 228
Post by: Uriel on September 10, 2003, 04:35:26 PM
I'm interested to see what this occulation is all about. I really can't stand to see Guts in this way any longer :-\ Any idea who slaugters the Apostles, Hague?

As for those trading cards... it's not much a secret project.. but any Berserk mechandise is better than none :D

Final Note: I'm glad I can post in an Episode 228 topic started by someone who knows their stuff about Berserk. Thanks Hague ^^
Title: Re:Chapter 228
Post by: Griffith on September 10, 2003, 05:03:13 PM
Sounds cool as usual, I can't wait to see those nasty flashbacks and Schierke's usual look of O.O

Final Note: I'm glad I can post in an Episode 228 topic started by someone who knows their stuff about Berserk. Thanks Hague ^^

Man, you guys are cold. Smith knew well enough to get the scoop on 228 over EVERYBODY, and he still can't get any love.

THX SMITH! FUCK YOU!

-Griffith
Title: Re:Chapter 228
Post by: THE BEAST on September 10, 2003, 05:15:49 PM
Please refreash my memory when is that break supposed to happen?
Title: Re:Chapter 228
Post by: Olivier Hague on September 10, 2003, 05:36:15 PM
Please refreash my memory when is that break supposed to happen?
We don't know when breaks are "supposed to happen". There's no "rule".
Title: Re:Chapter 228
Post by: Mizar on September 10, 2003, 06:23:25 PM
Sounds interesting, I wonder what Schierke (and Flora?) is planning to do exactly in the "spiritual world".

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I'm interested to see what this occultation is all about.

The Occultation Hague's talking about is the Eclipse from Volume 12/13.

And one other thing, shouldn't the title of this topic be "Episode 228"? ;)
Title: Re:Chapter 228
Post by: krunkster on September 10, 2003, 06:30:00 PM
the Occultation
a Occultation?
Title: Re:Chapter 228
Post by: Olivier Hague on September 10, 2003, 06:37:22 PM
shouldn't the title of this topic be "Episode 228"? ;)
Sure it should! ^_^
Title: Re:Chapter 228
Post by: kimchan on September 10, 2003, 07:28:56 PM
a Occultation?

The Eclipse (Vol 12-13)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: theblakeman on September 10, 2003, 09:32:33 PM
Trading cards sounds NEATO TORPEDO.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Genn21 on September 10, 2003, 10:34:23 PM
'Might be BS. We'll see.

'Looks like Miura's "project" was... "Berserk Trading Cards". ^^;
There will be 160 different cards, and 50 of them will be new illustrations (O_o).

Pokemonnn

This circle appears to be how chorky will approach guts beast problem. This isnt what interest's me. how long guts will be able to go with grunbeld after he regains consciousnes ?

Also what r zodd and s.k doing during this whole bout ?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Griffith on September 10, 2003, 11:23:56 PM
Also what r zodd and s.k doing during this whole bout ?

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/obvious.jpg)
"Dude! Check out that chick's bodacious beef bazookas!!!"

Seriously though, is this picture confusing? Zodd has obviously mastered the dread power of science in order to shrink Skull Knight and suck him up his nose.

-Griffith

P.S. Anyway, I'm sure whatever Schierke does for Guts, it will improve his situation. A little strategy doesn't hurt when you're bleeding from every pore.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Grifth on September 11, 2003, 12:00:55 AM
finally a real ep 228 topic sounds cool how the hell do you do it hague always one step ahead damn and berserk trading cards SWEET
Title: Re:Chapter 228
Post by: Smith on September 11, 2003, 12:41:57 AM
Wow, Great chapter, but no more fight between Grunbeld and Guts  :'(

P.S M i right to assume there is no break now? We had painstakenly waited for 3 weeks and we dun want another 4 week break right after this chapter...  :P


FUCK YOU!

WTF does it got to do with me?!
Title: Re:Chapter 228
Post by: daniel3 on September 11, 2003, 02:07:37 AM
WTF does it got to do with me?!

I think that remark was aimed at Uriel for his offensive comment and not you (The "Fuck You" part that is).
Title: Re:Chapter 228
Post by: Olivier Hague on September 11, 2003, 02:21:24 AM
M i right to assume there is no break now?
No. Miura may very well take a break after this episode. We'll see.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: argon on September 11, 2003, 05:40:31 AM
Thanks olivier for this preview.
Can't wait to know what will exactly happen in this chapter, because even if Schierke manage tu get Guts out of his Berserk State, I don't know how  Miura will make him go out of the armor (if he can, of course :))

Oh, and I love trading cards, is there any informations about some release date or else ?
Title: Re:Chapter 228
Post by: xechnao on September 11, 2003, 07:32:49 AM
Wow, Great chapter, but no more fight between Grunbeld and Guts  :'(

What's this supposed to mean?
Title: Re:Chapter 228
Post by: Smith on September 11, 2003, 09:04:01 AM
I think that remark was aimed at Uriel for his offensive comment and not you (The "Fuck You" part that is).

I m so touch...  :'(

No. Miura may very well take a break after this episode. We'll see.

 :'(

What's this supposed to mean?

It mean maybe there is no fight between Grunbeld and Guts for this chapter only because it was interrupt by Apostles... (Dun flame me, i hv no YA  :-X)
Title: Re:Chapter 228
Post by: xechnao on September 11, 2003, 02:26:36 PM
(Dun flame me, i hv no YA  :-X)

That's why I flame you. You are the first to mention, no? Seems you knew for sure.
Title: Re:Chapter 228
Post by: Walter on September 11, 2003, 02:51:51 PM
That's why I flame you. You are the first to mention, no? Seems you knew for sure.
Take this to private messages, clown.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Majin Tenshi on September 11, 2003, 04:16:08 PM
Let me provide you all with a Nifty translation (http://nifty.amikai.com/amiweb/browser.jsp?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhomepage1.nifty.com%2Fbluestone%2Fberserk%2Fanimal%2Fya228.html&langpair=2%2C1&toolbar=no&lang=JA&c_id=nifty) of that pre-chapter sumary site.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Darok on September 11, 2003, 04:29:31 PM
"The apostles who are going to boil work to GURUMBERUDO inferior in strength, and are going to participate in a coconut and a battle "

hahahaha
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Smith on September 11, 2003, 04:30:36 PM
I wondered what type of english they use, their sentence structure is really weird and i cant really understand what is the last part...

From what i can tell Guts had totally lose control to the beast and had become sorta insane, and the only way to save Guts is to let Sehierke enter the karma fire (where his flash backwas) right?

(Jeez, i really wondered how Isidro protect her...  :P)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: roberto999 on September 11, 2003, 05:18:51 PM
And here there is the babelfish one
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhomepage1.nifty.com%2Fbluestone%2Fberserk%2Fanimal%2Fya228.html&lp=ja_en&tt=url (http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhomepage1.nifty.com%2Fbluestone%2Fberserk%2Fanimal%2Fya228.html&lp=ja_en&tt=url)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Majin Tenshi on September 11, 2003, 06:33:57 PM
I wondered what type of english they use, their sentence structure is really weird and i cant really understand what is the last part...
 well, its a machine translater.  Since japanese's sentence structure is completely different from english's, it make sense that the translation is a bit buggy.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Darok on September 11, 2003, 07:25:46 PM
 well, its a machine translater.  Since japanese's sentence structure is completely different from english's, it make sense that the translation is a bit buggy.

but where do the COCONUTS come from? ;)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: argon on September 11, 2003, 07:31:08 PM
Hmm, a thing may be very interresting (if I have well "decrypted" translations ^_^;) :
When it says that if it is possible for Schierke to make Guts soul come back, it should be possible to do something for Casca too.

So maybe Schierke will be The One who will bring back our beloved sane Casca, who knows ?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Ozmo on September 11, 2003, 07:35:47 PM
Maybe he got hit in the groin or something? :)

The Babelfish translation has some nice Engrish (http://www.engrish.com) too. ;D

The apostles whom the palm, it tries it will boil the industry in the inferior グルンベルド and to participate in battle. Is, but one after another it keeps becoming the prey of the sword of guts.

 Guts more and more to the rag rag

Already as for the body of guts the rag rag, the rib bone it comes and comes and breaks and the 棘 of the countless iron has penetrated the body. While it is the human, as the apostle size of sacrifice of the thing which handles the fight of the same level
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: puella on September 11, 2003, 11:11:44 PM
 From the view of this Japanese guy (http://homepage1.nifty.com/bluestone/berserk/animal/ya228.html)

We can see many iron thorn tree(?) put into Guts' body. They are supposed to reinforce his ragged and broken body.
Schierke finds the beast formed by od of the armor and Guts' hatred in his inner mind. She also sees his memories of the time of the Hawks and the occultation, which could be said as "before the eclipse" and "after the eclipse"
There are many secnes where Griffith, the captain of the Hawks, is seen and Casca, a little bit, when she was trying to jump off the cliff .
And of course she gets scared seeing the occultation.

Asking Flora for help,  she finds the talisman in the armor which Flora carved into in episode 222.
She can touch some shadow(the former owner of the armor? maybe?) with the talisman.

And the Japanese guy thinks it could be also possible that Schierke helps Casca the same way she can read Guts' inner mind and probably help him regain himself.
Interesting thought, I think.

[EDIT] This is rough translation because it is done so quickly and I am often confused with the context. :P
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Walter on September 11, 2003, 11:22:32 PM
Aw man, this chapter is going to be amazing.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Olivier Hague on September 11, 2003, 11:28:05 PM
When it says that if it is possible for Schierke to make Guts soul come back, it should be possible to do something for Casca too.
That's just the webmaster's theory.

She also saw his memories of the time of the Hawks and the occultation, which could be said as "before the eclipse" and "after the eclipse"
No, the guy was talking about something else altogether, when he said something about "before the Occultation" and "after the Occultation".
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There are many secnes where Griffith, the captain of the Hawks, is seen and Casca, a little bit, when she was trying to jump off the cliff .
Actually, the guy says that the scenes are all from when Guts was still part of the Hawks Soldiers. Before he left. So the cliff scene would be the one from volume 6, I guess.
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She could touch some shadow(the former owner of the armor? maybe?) with the talisman.
It doesn't say anything about her touching the shadow?
Plus the shadow appears to have only one eye, so I guess it could be Guts' "soul", or something like that.

Still no break, by the way. There will be a new episode in the next issue of Young Animal.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: 6th Angel on September 11, 2003, 11:44:48 PM
While Guts can endure an unbelievable amount of pain this seems like a bit much to bear when he "wakes up."  Schierke succeeding in this might make him unable to fight or will the armors pins not bother Guts much?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: namayias on September 11, 2003, 11:53:26 PM
i wonder if schierke is surprised to see the flashbacks with griffith in them, since she knows of his coming into the world from god hand.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Majin Tenshi on September 12, 2003, 12:11:32 AM
While Guts can endure an unbelievable amount of pain this seems like a bit much to bear when he "wakes up."  Schierke succeeding in this might make him unable to fight or will the armors pins not bother Guts much?
 the armor makes him forget the pain, not the beast.  He won't feel anything till the armor comes off.  
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: puella on September 12, 2003, 12:40:37 AM
It doesn't say anything about her touching the shadow?
Plus the shadow appears to have only one eye, so I guess it could be Guts' "soul", or something like that.


Well, I couldn't find a good English for those words so I just put "touch" ^^;;
OMG, I even didn't read the last part of his summary.  :-[
Yeah, it could be the Beast, indeed.
Wow, then Schierke will talk with the beast? :o
Awesome really awesome!!

Can't wait to see episode 229 already. =)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Olivier Hague on September 12, 2003, 12:45:26 AM
Yeah, it is the Beast, indeed.
Huh? It doesn't say it's the Beast. ^^;;
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: puella on September 12, 2003, 12:56:18 AM
Huh? It doesn't say it's the Beast. ^^;;

Haha, I edited it to "could be".
But then what could be the shadow looking like one-eyed thing? ::)
Just dark figure of Guts?
Oh, I strongly wish it will turn out to be the beast.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Walter on September 12, 2003, 12:57:57 AM
Haha, I edited it to "could be".
But then what could be the shadow looking like one-eyed thing? ::)
Just dark figure of Guts?
Oh, I strongly wish it will turn out to be the beast.
Guts has one eye, the beast has two.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Griffith on September 12, 2003, 01:29:44 AM
Guts has one eye, the beast has two.

It could be the Beast with only one eye showing. Beast profile shot, man. ;D

Whatever it is, it should be interesting, this all sounds awesome; directly inside Guts' mind, finally Miura stops beating around the bush. =)

I thought the last page of 227 was badass alone, so I'm ready to be totally blown away by 228.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: namayias on September 12, 2003, 02:33:49 AM
so annoying the width of the thread now >:(

just looked at the last page of 227, is she beginging to go to the astral realm there. And could that image in the last page be the shadow she talks to?

I can't wait to see her reaction to his memories.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: puella on September 12, 2003, 05:11:26 AM
Guts has one eye, the beast has two.

That's what I'm concerned. ;D

Ok, here's big and great speculation.

The shadow, one-eyed thing turns into the beast unless it's the poor and cute guy, Adon.

 :P
=)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: argon on September 12, 2003, 05:18:01 AM
That's just the webmaster's theory.
ooops, I misunderstood.

Still no break, by the way. There will be a new episode in the next issue of Young Animal.
THIS is a god news :)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on September 12, 2003, 05:55:14 AM
Standard 3 day's weeoouu. Can't wait to see it.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Smith on September 12, 2003, 06:11:27 AM
No break? YESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D

I wonder if break will affect the release date of the volume series, if yes then it mean that it would be release of next volume earlier...  ;D

It would be really badass if Schierke would be talking to the beast of Guts... I mean man that would really ROCK!!!  :o ... Imagine how the beast explain its motive and how will Schierke fight him...



Alright i think i had gone overboard, better keep my mouth shut  :-X
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Graywords on September 12, 2003, 07:27:08 AM
Standard 3 day's weeoouu. Can't wait to see it.

LOVE = SaiyajinNoOuji

You do love us!  Thanks SO much for your continual efforts to make us need to change underwear *_*

=D =D =D

BTW, do you still need a PSOv2 Serial?  =p  Even with the DC servers going offline?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Griffith on September 12, 2003, 08:00:36 AM
It would be really badass if Schierke would be talking to the beast of Guts... I mean man that would really ROCK!!!  :o ... Imagine how the beast explain its motive and how will Schierke fight him...

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mrbeast.jpg)

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Graywords on September 12, 2003, 08:06:35 AM
...

I'm changing my major.  NOW.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: roberto999 on September 12, 2003, 11:24:11 AM
 Ok , those are my two cents (from the babelfish and nifty translations).
 Some apostles try to take part in the fight but they are cut down by Dragonslayer. However every time  an apostle succeeds to hit Guts,some other bone  breaks and the"spikes" of the armor embed themshelves in the bones of Guts in order to reinforce them  provoking so other loss of blood.Guts 'aspect is less and less human  and this astonishes  Schierke and the others. Schierke decides to bring back  the soul of Guts. And she begins to meditate.She protects herself  with a magical circle, although there are also Serpico and Isidro to protect her  ( I daresay mainly because it i is Isidro that protect her  ;D), Schierke enters in the spirit of Guts' where the flame of hatred and the "beast" burn strongly. In order to save Guts, Schierke must jump in it. Down, she goes, slowly ,wrapped in a light bubble. She finds the memories of the times of the hawks and, still coming down, she finds the darkness.  She is scared from the ghastly visions,and she asks, involuntarily, help to Flora. At this point we see the protective mark that Flora carved on the armor... (to be continued)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Uriel on September 12, 2003, 11:49:01 AM
Ouji! You've been gone for awhile... I thought you might be dead, man :'(

It will be great to plunge into the dark parts of Guts mind. It'll be an emotional trip back into the Hell he's seen. I wonder how Schierke is going to react... maybe she'll go all Farnese on us and start tickling her fancy ::) :P

Griffith, you never cease to ammuse me :D
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Swordsman in Sable on September 12, 2003, 01:29:23 PM
lol, nice pic there Griffith =p
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: *Gyom* on September 12, 2003, 02:18:26 PM
Good damn episode aparently... so Guts is becoming a demon as ghosts had predicted in vol16 ?
I really wonder if Schierke will be able to save him from his Beast and if yes, if he will be able to get back his human apparence - what i highly doubt now.
Guil
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Ozmo on September 12, 2003, 03:38:05 PM
Ok, Guts is definetly not going to be walking around without this armor anymore. The biggest twist in the storyline since the Ecplise, I can't wait to see how it ends up.  8)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: lextiago on September 12, 2003, 04:01:01 PM
Oh, and I love trading cards, is there any informations about some release date or else ?

November 27.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Smith on September 12, 2003, 04:28:55 PM
The biggest twist in the storyline since the Ecplise, I can't wait to see how it ends up.  8)

There would be a bigger twist if Guts were to walk again without his armor and fight Apostle NAKED  :o

Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Ozmo on September 12, 2003, 04:40:05 PM
Well he did do it once at the beginning of volume one. ;D
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: argon on September 12, 2003, 08:08:48 PM
November 27.

Thank you, but seriously,is it written in the current YA or are you trying to make fun of me ?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: lextiago on September 12, 2003, 09:09:34 PM
Thank you, but seriously,is it written in the current YA or are you trying to make fun of me ?

Yes, Young Animal.
No, I'm not trying to make fun of you.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: korkor on September 13, 2003, 03:59:06 AM
Ok, Guts is definetly not going to be walking around without this armor anymore. The biggest twist in the storyline since the Ecplise, I can't wait to see how it ends up.  8)

i wonder what would happen if guts drops puck in to his armor to do his thing and heal guts' body...
now theres a good twist  :P
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: theblakeman on September 13, 2003, 04:03:08 PM


... maybe she'll go all Farnese on us and start tickling her fancy ::) :P


GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!!! STOP READING MY THOUGHTS!
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: SexyCharlotte on September 13, 2003, 04:47:35 PM
I haven't seen the scans of this chapter yet...wonder which apostles. Well at least they get their asses kicked.

Great...trading cards...yet another item to add to out of control berserk Berserk collection

LG
Title: Re:Chapter 228
Post by: Majin Tenshi on September 13, 2003, 05:21:48 PM
Why don't you just delete the posts if they're off topic?

LG
 It'd be a full time job.  
Title: Re:Chapter 228
Post by: Mizar on September 13, 2003, 09:11:28 PM
Why don't you just delete the posts if they're off topic?

Great idea, thanks.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Ozmo on September 15, 2003, 04:04:22 PM
It's not that I'm complaining or anything, but isn't today the day Ouji was supposed to have those scans up? :)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Walter on September 15, 2003, 04:22:16 PM
It's not that I'm complaining or anything, but isn't today the day Ouji was supposed to have those scans up? :)
You are complaining. Stop.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Majin Tenshi on September 15, 2003, 04:53:45 PM
It's not that I'm complaining or anything, but isn't today the day Ouji was supposed to have those scans up? :)
Have patience young grasshopper/padawan.  In time, you will understand that scans are a great privilege, not a right.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Swordsman in Sable on September 15, 2003, 06:01:59 PM
No kidding. Don't expect someone to do you a favor that they really gain nothing from. Hope yes, expect no.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Sir Lachdanan on September 15, 2003, 06:56:21 PM
It's not that I'm complaining or anything, but isn't today the day Ouji was supposed to have those scans up? :)

Thanks, i really need to laugh sometimes... ;D
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Tazinaffo on September 15, 2003, 07:05:17 PM
Hi everyone

This is my first post and Iīd like to thank you for the news, scans, translations and other informations about Berserk. Iīm from Brazil and itīs more difficult to find news here in Portuguese. Sorry for my poor English.

Thanks
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Darok on September 15, 2003, 07:41:39 PM
Hi everyone

This is my first post and Iīd like to thank you for the news, scans, translations and other informations about Berserk. Iīm from Brazil and itīs more difficult to find news here in Portuguese. Sorry for my poor English.

Thanks
your english (so far) is actually pretty good compared to some we've seen.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Ozmo on September 15, 2003, 07:50:17 PM
I don't think there was single lingual in that post actually. :)

I wasn't complaining, just asking if there has been some weird delay or something since Ouji hasn't posted. Must've forgotten questions about scans are tabu in general on these boards.  :P
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Walter on September 15, 2003, 08:08:55 PM

I wasn't complaining, just asking if there has been some weird delay or something since Ouji hasn't posted. Must've forgotten questions about scans are tabu in general on these boards.  :P
Actually, your fault falls more under the "ignorant fuck" taboo category.  If you'd read the posts, you'd know what the deal is.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on September 15, 2003, 09:37:39 PM
Hello my fellow compatriots, I have the YA but I have not had the time to scan all of them. I will have them up. The size will be bigger to help those that would like to trans them.  I hope they are big enough for you.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Majin Tenshi on September 15, 2003, 09:49:11 PM
Hello my fellow compatriots, I have the YA but I have not had the time to scan all of them. I will have them up. The size will be bigger to help those that would like to trans them.  I hope they are big enough for you.
 they won't be big enough untill I can cover a large wall with a 2 page spread.   ;D

'Course maybe thats just the DSL talking.  
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: deadfuse on September 15, 2003, 09:58:55 PM
 the armor makes him forget the pain, not the beast.  He won't feel anything till the armor comes off.  

I would venture that the way the armor makes him forget the pain is by awakening the beast entirely and giving it control.  Of course, it provides additional support by reinforcing broken limbs and the like.  

What I want to know is, since the armor is piercing Guts with metal spikes in order to keep him upright and going, how the hell is he going to survive its removal?  He'll have more holes in him than a sieve.  
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Majin Tenshi on September 15, 2003, 10:05:10 PM
I would venture that the way the armor makes him forget the pain is by awakening the beast entirely and giving it control.  Of course, it provides additional support by reinforcing broken limbs and the like.
 It was explained that the armor's effect was it made the wearer unaware of pain and fear.  (and apparently reinforces the body to back these up)

The beast goes: "Oh, I fight well under these conditions, let me take over"
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Uriel on September 15, 2003, 10:19:48 PM
Hello my fellow compatriots, I have the YA but I have not had the time to scan all of them. I will have them up. The size will be bigger to help those that would like to trans them.  I hope they are big enough for you.
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Take your time, dude ;D I can't wait to see them!
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Tazinaffo on September 15, 2003, 10:24:27 PM
Thank you, Darok!

I have a doubt about the last posts. Someone had said that Guts couldnīt weird off the curse armor. In that case, how heīll heal his wounds? Schierke spoke to Isildro that the armor didnīt have the power to do it!
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Sancho Panza on September 15, 2003, 10:28:33 PM
Hello my fellow compatriots, I have the YA but I have not had the time to scan all of them. I will have them up. The size will be bigger to help those that would like to trans them.  I hope they are big enough for you.

As Uriel said, take your time and don't worry: i would be sooo happy even if it will take me a whole day to download them.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. ;D

Ah, and welcome Tazinaffo.
Don't worry, your english is much better than mine
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: trapped_soul on September 16, 2003, 05:18:42 AM
are there any pictures of those trading cards already?
is the release date known by now?

i am quite excited - can't wait to get my hands on them.

-TS
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Walter on September 16, 2003, 05:22:06 AM
are there any pictures of those trading cards already?
is the release date known by now?
I'm not telling. It's a secret.  But here's a clue, read this thread.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: trapped_soul on September 16, 2003, 05:49:13 AM
I'm not telling. It's a secret.  But here's a clue, read this thread.

er... yeah. i mentioned to do that before i was blessed with your wise advise. but what does the thread say concerning my question? nothing at all, that's why i'm asking.

-TS

Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Walter on September 16, 2003, 06:46:25 AM
Oh, and I love trading cards, is there any informations about some release date or else ?

November 27.


You lose.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: magus1234 on September 16, 2003, 06:55:10 AM
its probable that the little mage can use healing magic or else i dont see how Guts can get away from thins one with out chillin for hella days
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on September 16, 2003, 08:24:09 AM
Uploading is in progress... :)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on September 16, 2003, 08:35:58 AM
Here it is folks. hope you enjoy. Just as a reminder.. the file size is a little bit bigger along with the actual size of the scans. It goes up to 18.

http://kuroikenshi.150m.com/Pics/Current%20YA/Chapter%20228/01.jpg (http://kuroikenshi.150m.com/Pics/Current%20YA/Chapter%20228/01.jpg)

Here are the 2 pages talking about the card game. Translators, go at it if you want.

Page 1
http://kuroikenshi.150m.com/Pics/Current%20YA/Chapter%20228/Card1.jpg (http://kuroikenshi.150m.com/Pics/Current%20YA/Chapter%20228/Card1.jpg)

Page 2
http://kuroikenshi.150m.com/Pics/Current%20YA/Chapter%20228/Card2.jpg (http://kuroikenshi.150m.com/Pics/Current%20YA/Chapter%20228/Card2.jpg)

Enjoy it folks!
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Sancho Panza on September 16, 2003, 09:00:43 AM
It seems Guts has complete control of the armor's jaws, since he bites and crashes a claw of that big crab apostle...
It answers to a discussion I've seen weeks ago.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Mage on September 16, 2003, 09:13:49 AM
Thanks SaiyaNoOuji  :o

I think it's obvious that the entity encountered in the last page is Guts with a Beast's eye (considering the lack of a right eye).  I'm wondering if Schierke has to activate/do something to the seal but is being confronted by that spirit?

And puck looks so crestfallen  :-\
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Aazealh on September 16, 2003, 09:35:23 AM
Wow awesome episode indeed, thx SaiyajinNoOuji, and the trading cards look great.

The look in Puck's eyes when he watches Guts mangling the apostles is quite bothersome, and Schierke not only sees the Hawks in Guts' mind but also Gambino.

Seems to me that the Beast is gonna reveal its true form next episode 8).
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Aquedesin on September 16, 2003, 10:27:00 AM
WTF, this episode is not getting far enough! Where in the world could we find enough patience to wait until 229?!? Where is the truth? What should we believe in?

ARGLLLLHHHH! (I'm dying since I've hung myself...)


Ps: HAIL TO SAYAJINNOOUJI!
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: BOB on September 16, 2003, 11:10:01 AM
thx saiya. great chap and nice trading cards
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Smith on September 16, 2003, 11:14:29 AM
*SPEECHLESS*  :o

M i going to get a heart attack the next chapter, i dunno how long can i endure such shocking things again...

SAIYAJINNOUJI... U R THE MAN  8)

There is 3 comments i want to give:

Firstly, the fight is so awesome that i guess Zood and SK would even take a break to watch this Phenomena...

Secondly like i expected, Casca and Farnese are still not around...

Thirdly, i had to say I CANT WAIT ANY LONGER FOR THE NEXT CHAPTER!!!  :o
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Majin Tenshi on September 16, 2003, 11:44:13 AM
Sancho Panza, all Guts has do to "bite" with the jaws is lower his chin.  ::)
The upper jaw is part of the helm while the lower is part of the breastplate.  

Thanks Saiyajin.

(I'm gonna try to improve the contrast on these so it looks inked rather then penciled.)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: sendo7 on September 16, 2003, 11:46:20 AM
*Speechless too*

Incredible chapter. First of all, thanks SayanjiNoOuji for the amazing scan !

I can't wait to have the translation !! The next chapter will give us a few hint about the beast. So cool !!

The fight between Guts and the "little" apostles rocks a lot !!


Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Aquedesin on September 16, 2003, 11:48:53 AM
Well, if forgot to say something:

(http://www.aquedesin.com/card.jpg)
Come get some you freak!
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Uriel on September 16, 2003, 11:55:23 AM
Before I begin, I want to thank Ouji for being such a legend and getting us these scans. This forum would be lost without you :'(

That was such a melancholy episode... my heart sank once or twice during it. Especially when I saw Puck looking as dejected as he did... I can't remember a look of such concern being painted on his face before. He probably knows by now that nothing he can do would be able to heal Guts... at this moment in time, I honestly don't think anything can.. except for Elfhelm?

The battle with the Demon Soldiers was better than I could have hoped. Page 4 looked more like Guts style of killing. Huge swings of the Dragon Slayer... then pages 5 and 6 completely remove any hope of Guts influence. One thing that caught my eye was the position of the Dragon Slayer in page 6. Did he stab it into the ground or something?

Another thing that puzzled me was the symbol on page 18. I, personally, think it is the talisman Flora put onto the Berserk Armour... so maybe that is the thing Schierke needs to activate to bring Guts back. Which makes sense, because that figure appearing to be Guts stands in her way... only with the Beast's eye. I think it's quite possible the Beast of Darkness will have a nice little talk with Schierke about how this is Guts' true desire and to stop it would do more harm than good and all that jazz.

Check page 10 out too. Sweet... sweet eye candy ;D I must do something with that!

Those trading cards look amazing! Did Miura colour them himself? Looks like I might be out of a job :P I will get my hands on a set of those as soon as I can!
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Aquedesin on September 16, 2003, 11:59:46 AM
On page 16, the center really look like an eye, as if it represent the last sight of guts right eye... As if he will never be able to forget since this eye will never be able to anything else... Kinda despressing...
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Grifth on September 16, 2003, 01:40:37 PM
fucking beautiful ep those pages of Schierke going trough guts memories are pieces of art miura is the GOD of manga thank you very much saya
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: GoHF on September 16, 2003, 01:45:48 PM
On page 6, at the bottom, the dragon slayer is pointing at you, that is why it's hard to see it. Zoom in and you'll notice it.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: krunkster on September 16, 2003, 02:20:29 PM
So how many bones are in the human body?
And how many does Guts have left to break?

Also:  I'm glad I'm not the only person with Griffith's young naked body etched in my memory.

Thanks S.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Walter on September 16, 2003, 03:44:44 PM
Awesome chapter.  The last page is a masterpiece.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Legato 2057 on September 16, 2003, 04:01:14 PM
Am I the only one that the links don't work for?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Walter on September 16, 2003, 04:02:13 PM
Am I the only one that the links don't work for?
Yes. But just in case...
228 MIRROR (http://skullknight.net/manga/228/01.jpg)[/url]
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Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: deadfuse on September 16, 2003, 04:06:26 PM

One thing that caught my eye was the position of the Dragon Slayer in page 6. Did he stab it into the ground or something?

If you look closely, you can see the tip of the Dragon Slayer.  It is pointed almost directly at the reader.

So how many bones are in the human body?
And how many does Guts have left to break?

206. More than half of them are in the hands and feet, though. Use this interactive human skeleton to keep a tally.  :P

http://www.eskeletons.org/viewer/humanSelect.html
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Smith on September 16, 2003, 04:11:30 PM
Btw, what's the point if guts was brought back to his sense, that armor had already done a considerable amount of damage to his body... He shouldnt had wear it in the first place  :(

I was wondering y did Flora let Guts wear that armor even though she knew it is so dangerous, izzit becz that armor can heal Slann's wound or...
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Olivier Hague on September 16, 2003, 04:13:03 PM
Those trading cards look amazing! Did Miura colour them himself?
Nope.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: deadfuse on September 16, 2003, 04:19:29 PM
Btw, what's the point if guts was brought back to his sense, that armor had already done a considerable amount of damage to his body... He shouldnt had wear it in the first place  :(

I was wondering y did Flora let Guts wear that armor even though she knew it is so dangerous, izzit becz that armor can heal Slann's wound or...

Because Guts has balls enough to handle it.  Plus, if she didn't, Grunbeld (or as I call him, Grunby) would be scraping Guts off the sole of his boot (no pun intended). :P
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Darok on September 16, 2003, 04:41:57 PM
I REALLY liked Page 10.  I want an avatar of Puck,  in that dejected state on page 7.  Translations?  

Truthfully,  how WILL Guts survive this damage?  Maybe he will die,  but  just take another step closer toward Idea/the Abyss?  I don't much care for that idea though.  Doesn't fit in very well with the mechanics of Puckville that we've observed.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: deadfuse on September 16, 2003, 05:08:56 PM
Damn I'm posting a lot today.  Anyway...

Well, maybe Guts will become something similar to whatever the Skull Night is.  After all, the armor at first was skull-shaped, we know the last person to wear the armor died and his sword looked like Skully's, Zodd recognized it and asked Skully if it brought back memories, and he also asked whether Skully intends for Guts to follow the same path.

I doubt that will happen to Guts though, since the whole point of the story is a single human daring to defy Fate and the gods that rule it.  He will pull through, somehow. Doesn't he always?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Majin Tenshi on September 16, 2003, 05:09:50 PM
(I'm gonna try to improve the contrast on these so it looks inked rather then penciled.)
 which looks better?  

official (http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/sp/img/03v18.jpg)
Saiyajin's original "pencil sketch" (http://kuroikenshi.150m.com/Pics/Current%20YA/Chapter%20228/02.jpg) or
Dead link (http://skullknight.net/majin/c228/02.jpg)  (no, "the drill" won't work)

I figured I'd see if i could improve the quality of Saiyajin's scans a little.  
Tell me what ya think.  
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: psymont on September 16, 2003, 05:11:08 PM
im just glad that some apostles have noticed the rest of the gang .... finally serpico steps up to bat!

how long has the armor portion of the fight lasted? 1min and 30secs(give or take 10secs for dramatic posing) ....
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Aquedesin on September 16, 2003, 06:09:17 PM
Tell me what ya think.  

The last one really look nice... Some people may argue that the first one is a little better, but they don't have the whole page so why bother? Well, in conclusion what you did is really improving the picture...
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: CdT on September 16, 2003, 07:45:24 PM
I'll join the Holy Chorus of Thankin' Guys  ;D ;)

Thanx SaiyajinNoOuji !!

Oh, those spikes in Guts' bones... ouch!
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Swordsman in Sable on September 16, 2003, 09:51:43 PM
If Guts survives this Schierke's likely going to have a talk with him after about what she saw in there...wonder if she saw more than just images, but heard sounds as well?

This stuff just keeps on getting better and better. ;D The situation is so intense!
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on September 16, 2003, 10:03:48 PM
I thought about that as well, with the reference to Schierke seeing those images in Guts head about the eclipse and the old Band of the Hawk. She is the first person in his new group that really understands him other then Puck.

Do you think that will help there group if they all knew what he had been through?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: SexyCharlotte on September 16, 2003, 10:45:06 PM
It would definitely solidify their cause against what Guts is up against, and knowing the tragedies he encountered during the eclipse ( Femto, Casca, the Hawks being sacrificed) can only help them see his need to defeat Griffith.

When it comes to magic, the natural world of common sense is set aside and magic takes over. And at the end of things, as I'm hoping with this whole Berserk story, magic will make things right again :)

LG
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: PsychoJavexx on September 16, 2003, 11:11:39 PM
I like the "inked" one.  Maybe Guts will die, but since all the "worlds/dimensions" are merging, he'll just come back as something with fewer weaknesses?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Olivier Hague on September 17, 2003, 01:24:35 AM
Saiyajin's original "pencil sketch" (http://kuroikenshi.150m.com/Pics/Current%20YA/Chapter%20228/02.jpg) or
something that looks inked  (http://skullknight.net/majin/c228/02.jpg)
"Pencil sketch", sorry. ^^;
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Majin Tenshi on September 17, 2003, 02:03:15 AM
Well, people seem to like the version with more contrast and less gamma.

http://skullknight.net/majin/c228/01.jpg *dead link* (http://skullknight.net/majin/c228/01.jpg)

By the time anyone reads this, "the drill" should work or maybe not.  Either way...
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: krebs4life on September 17, 2003, 02:33:17 AM
first post in a while....

so the talisman flora put on the armor, isnt to protect guts physically or to protect guts from 'demons', its to protect guts from himself

the armor seems to amplify all of wearer's intense emotions, (in guts' case) rage misery lonliness.

flora's talisman shelters the 'human' part of guts so that his rage doesnt consume him.
when schierke is in guts' mind, she sees all of his rage, and lonliness. but past the talisman is guts, sane, and that is all thats there.

his eye isnt normal because it is an idealistic representation of himself, but that should go without saying.

its amazing that all that can be considered sane thats left inside guts is so small.  hes always only a few steps away from total consumption.
the only thing that is going to make guts happy, or less enraged, is if he loses everything, and has to rebuild himself
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: medievald00d on September 17, 2003, 02:56:50 AM
First post in a while for me too

First I would like to thank all the members of SK.net for translating, scanning, and talking about these chapters. I would like to especially thank SaiyajinNoOuji, Graywords, puella, and Walter.

Quote
the only thing that is going to make guts happy, or less enraged, is if he loses everything, and has to rebuild himself
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldnt Guts just build more rage upon which he already has?

Question: How will they take off the armour without further damaging Guts' body? After all, the spikes that hold his bones together are attached to the armour itself right? When his breastplate comes off, wont his ribs come off too?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: trapped_soul on September 17, 2003, 03:04:53 AM
You lose.
alright! i must've looked over it. however, thanks.

-TS
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: secilj on September 17, 2003, 04:03:27 AM
Thanks a lot, SaiyajinNoOuji. ;)

BTW, can anyone guess what the scene or the image which is illuminated in the Pack's eye is? I'm quite curious about it.  :o
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on September 17, 2003, 04:05:15 AM
Im pretty sure it's a some apostile's teeth.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Majin Tenshi on September 17, 2003, 04:05:41 AM
Thanks a lot, SaiyajinNoOuji. ;)

BTW, can anyone guess what the scene or the image which is illuminated in the Pack's eye is? I'm quite curious about it.  :o
Apostle teeth, as they begin to transform.  It seems that what Puck is getting at is Guts is becomeing just as much a monster at the apostles.  
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Swordsman in Sable on September 17, 2003, 04:08:14 AM
It's the reflection of one of the apostle's (the rightmost one on the panel directly above) face/mouth and all its huge sharp teeth as it's transforming.

Edit: lol :P Triple team of DETH
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: xechnao on September 17, 2003, 11:04:22 AM
Apostle teeth, as they begin to transform.  It seems that what Puck is getting at is Guts is becomeing just as much a monster at the apostles.  

And this makes him sad. His old-knew friend Rickert had thanked Puck for his task to conserve Guts human side.
By the way Rickert still revolves an active role in the story I think. There is a possibility, if things evolve like that Guts is taken to him to help with the operation of taking him out of the infiltrating armour.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: puella on September 17, 2003, 11:12:46 AM
I personally like page 4.

From Graywords' translation

"Apostle:  Hey, that's dirty!

Apostle:  Attacking while we're transforming..."

That's how Guts is. Our Badass!! 8)

BTW, strangely why I get a bit sad when I see Guts fighting in the armor? Such an extremeness makes me emotional. :'(
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Uriel on September 17, 2003, 12:31:56 PM
*pats puella on the head* There there..

Well, people seem to like the version with more contrast and less gamma.

http://skullknight.net/majin/c228/01.jpg
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If you're going to slap more contrast to it, increase the depth of the image while you're at it.
(http://nebula.mitsukai.org/Berserk/228example.gif)
I, personally, prefer this. However, if Ouji didn't give us the slightly edited versions, we'd have no fun in tinkering with them, would we? :P
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Smith on September 17, 2003, 02:39:46 PM
Because Guts has balls enough to handle it.  Plus, if she didn't, Grunbeld (or as I call him, Grunby) would be scraping Guts off the sole of his boot (no pun intended). :P


R u sure that was the only reason...?  :o

Well i guess it just add up another misery, we just have to wait and see what surprise will Flora show us on that armor (since it was her idea to let Guts wear that thing), and the talisman she had crafted for Guts...



BTW, strangely why I get a bit sad when I see Guts fighting in the armor? Such an extremeness makes me emotional. :'(

Same here... It make us sad because that armor is practically changing him into a demon...  :'(

[EDITED]

Btw Puella, maybe u should take Puck expression in 228 page 7 as ur avatar instead, it would really ROCK!  8)

Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Legato 2057 on September 17, 2003, 02:43:20 PM
Damn that's a sweet chapter. So when is the next chapter coming out? How many apostles did he kill in that chapter? 5,6, 10? That has to be a record for any amount of apostles to die at one time. I'm glad that Schierke knows what happened to Guts at the Eclipse. Guts explained to Rickert (I think Puck was there too) what happened, but Schierke is now the only one in the group that has actually seen (at least images) of what happened. I hope that she is strong enough to be able to handle that horror.


Has anybody seen (or made) a color picture of the Beast?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Olivier Hague on September 17, 2003, 02:55:34 PM
So when is the next chapter coming out?
Next Friday.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Walter on September 17, 2003, 03:28:14 PM

Has anybody seen (or made) a color picture of the Beast?
Yes, Griffith made one. (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/beastunleashedlow.jpg)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Tazinaffo on September 17, 2003, 05:05:13 PM
As Uriel said, take your time and don't worry: i would be sooo happy even if it will take me a whole day to download them.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. ;D

Ah, and welcome Tazinaffo.
Don't worry, your english is much better than mine

Thanks, Sancho, but the truth is that your English is better than mine.

Everyone had already answered "thanks" to SaiyajinNoOuji. However, I must thank him for the amazing scans and the short time he show them.

Farewell :-)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Legato 2057 on September 17, 2003, 05:55:19 PM
Yes, Griffith made one. (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/beastunleashedlow.jpg)

Hell Yeah!!
That kicks ass!!
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: puella on September 17, 2003, 10:35:24 PM
Btw Puella, maybe u should take Puck expression in 228 page 7 as ur avatar instead, it would really ROCK!  8)

Oh, yeah of course I love that Puck.
I like when Puck looks at Guts in his sympathetic eyes and can see Guts' inner mind. 8)

It would be better if I can have it in color but I don't know much about photoshop. :(
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Shurikn on September 18, 2003, 12:02:43 AM
Next Friday.
Already !!!  cooooooll
  Thanks to SaiyajinNoOuji for the awesome scans and to Olivier for all the info he's giving us !


    Walter + SaiyajinNoOuji + Olivier = The awesomes

Thanks again guys
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Smith on September 19, 2003, 09:06:19 AM
I m rather quite sure chapter 229 would be a greater badass chapter...  ;D


Serp and Isidro seem to be doing quite well...  :P

http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/sp/03v19.html

Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Aquedesin on September 19, 2003, 11:27:12 AM
   Walter + SaiyajinNoOuji + Olivier = The awesomes

Don't forget (Puella+Graywords)+(Uriel+Griffith)!

The translations and the colouring are way good too!

Ho! and I almost forgot Lady Griffith and her huge collection of good links... to great merchandise!
Title: Episode 229 preview?
Post by: Uriel on September 19, 2003, 12:28:21 PM
Aquedesin: You're too kind ::)

http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/sp/03v19.html
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Thanks for scoping that out, Smith! Wasn't much of a preivew though... still, it kinda makes me wonder what the hell that is in the background. Giraffupine anyone? :P
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: lye on September 19, 2003, 12:51:19 PM
does this mean they will have a preveiw every month, or just for the time being, the stories getting pretty crazy.
im not sure what the thing in the background is, it looks like one of those feather boas(sp) , the ones you use in drama class or maybe a big bird apostal, not sure though
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Swordsman in Sable on September 19, 2003, 01:30:59 PM
It's very likely the apostle from page 11 in 228, on the left.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Smith on September 19, 2003, 02:08:02 PM
I really hope Serp and Isidro can work well together and defeat that apostle, even though they arent as strong as Guts, but they hv advantage in speed, perhap they can hit and run...  :-X



Secondly, I m rather surprise that Isidro use that Morgan sword, i wonder if that weapon also contain magical power...  ::)



P.S Walters pls dun start this under a thread... else all the posts here would render unless...  :'(
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: *Gyom* on September 19, 2003, 02:27:41 PM
Secondly, I m rather surprise that Isidro use that Morgan sword, i wonder if that weapon also contain magical power...  ::)
I don't think so. That's a gift, he uses it cause it has a meaning in itself : running away for bravery or fear of the world. Morgan gave him the sword cause he wanted Isidro to accomplish a "child dream" such he couldn't. Simply he believes in Isidro, and Isidro wanna make his prooves to become "the greatest knight of the universe".^^
Guil
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Olivier Hague on September 19, 2003, 03:52:10 PM
P.S Walters pls dun start this under a thread... else all the posts here would render unless...  :'(
Why did you post that in this thread anyway?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Smith on September 19, 2003, 04:04:22 PM
Why did you post that in this thread anyway?


Er... i guess there is a typo error...  :P

I mean dun start a new thread with my post, which mean whatever speculation of 229 would still remain here
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Graywords on September 19, 2003, 04:46:58 PM
The problem is, speculation based on a picture of 229 doesn't *belong* in the 228 thread.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Zerin on September 19, 2003, 04:59:43 PM
Another great chapter 8*) Page 15 is my favorite - I think Schierke is really going to look at guts differently after having to see all of his horrors and inner demons (literally).

Oh and thanks to Ouji for the consistently great scans.

The story right now is really amazing and I can't wait for the next chapter.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: number18 on September 19, 2003, 05:01:55 PM
Christ, that stuff is good. Thank you, Ouji. I haven't bothered to find translations yet cause I'm lame, but just the pictures are fantastic. I'm in such a good mood from reading it...though I'm also very worried what's going to happen to Guts. I can only guess something good, because...well, I dunno actually. Just hoping!

I really like those pictures with the contrast you guys have been messing with.

<3 Ohh october is going to be fantastic Berserk month for me.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Olivier Hague on September 19, 2003, 05:25:32 PM
I mean dun start a new thread with my post, which mean whatever speculation of 229 would still remain here
...
Again, _why_ did you post that in this topic?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: asmer on September 19, 2003, 06:39:21 PM
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Posted by: Smith  Posted on: Today at 07:08:02am
Secondly, I m rather surprise that Isidro use that Morgan sword, i wonder if that weapon also contain magical power...

I think he uses it because the sword is smaller than his previous one, and thus he can do his "double hit", like he did with the troll wearing the skull necklace.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Griffith on September 19, 2003, 09:30:07 PM
I’m only going to comment on things related to Isidro’s sword, because I think it’s the most hilariously tepid discussion I’ve seen in a while.

Secondly, I m rather surprise that Isidro use that Morgan sword, i wonder if that weapon also contain magical power...  ::)

Yeah, considering he's already used it once before, you'd think he'd throw it away after that, wasn't it disposable like a one-time razor? I myself am surprised to see Guts still using the Dragon Slayer, he should buy a new sword to match his armor at the item shop. I think one with a big Beast eye and maybe teeth going down each side would be pretty slick; like a racing stripe.

I don't think so. That's a gift, he uses it cause it has a meaning in itself : running away for bravery or fear of the world. Morgan gave him the sword cause he wanted Isidro to accomplish a "child dream" such he couldn't. Simply he believes in Isidro, and Isidro wanna make his prooves to become "the greatest knight of the universe".^^
Guil

Or… it’s just the perfect size and weight for him; utilitarian value? :)

Anyway, it's only the second one and I already feel the preview sucks; I'm really glad to know, FOR SURE, that Serpico and Isidro will be in the next chapter. Whew, I was really worring about that and the preview set my mind at ease. Really, could they have picked something lamer?

Bitch, bitch, bitch! ;)

-Griffith, the real "McCoy."
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: medievald00d on September 19, 2003, 11:15:20 PM
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Anyway, it's only the second one and I already feel the preview sucks; I'm really glad to know, FOR SURE, that Serpico and Isidro will be in the next chapter. Whew, I was really worring about that and the preview set my mind at ease. Really, could they have picked something lamer?

As for this series (battle at flora's mansion), Does anyone think Griffith will at least show up? He doesnt seem to be one who skimps on important battles...
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Kuja on September 20, 2003, 12:56:00 AM
As for this series (battle at flora's mansion), Does anyone think Griffith will at least show up? He doesnt seem to be one who skimps on important battles...
well I think sending two of his best warriors(Grunbeld and Zodd) to kill an old witch should be sufficient in his opinion, and he's probably got more important battles to prepare
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Smith on September 20, 2003, 02:39:49 AM
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Again, _why_ did you post that in this topic?


Simple becz it is not worthly enough to start a new thread, for preview like this kind (Griffith mention that it sucks!), dont u think i will be flamed by the others?  


As for this series (battle at flora's mansion), Does anyone think Griffith will at least show up? He doesnt seem to be one who skimps on important battles...

Nah... he will be busy conquering midland, no time to be a spectator of this show  ;),
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Olivier Hague on September 20, 2003, 02:44:24 AM
Simple becz it is not worthly enough to start a new thread, for preview like this kind
It's still our first peak at episode 229.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Griffith on September 20, 2003, 05:28:39 AM
Well, when I said it sucked it's because I felt it defeated the purpose of a preview (Serpico's in the next chaprter, HOLY SHIT!), but it's still the first bit of info on the next chapter. Go ahead and give it it's own thread next time.

-Griffith

P.S. But seriously, a panel of just about anything else would have made a better preview. :)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: xechnao on September 20, 2003, 11:39:34 AM
Well, when I said it sucked it's because I felt it defeated the purpose of a preview (Serpico's in the next chaprter, HOLY SHIT!), but it's still the first bit of info on the next chapter. Go ahead and give it it's own thread next time.

-Griffith

P.S. But seriously, a panel of just about anything else would have made a better preview. :)

Last preview showed Grunbeld and Guts together alone yet 228 wasn't mostly about that. But 227 did involve and near-end like that. 228 ends with Serpico and Isidro preparing for the battle so the review just focuses there. This review just shows that next chapter will still develop on this scene of this current battle and Miura won't travel his show to another place and time (eg some old story about the beast). I hope 229 focuses on the confrontation between Schierke and Guts Beast a way that explains the mechanics of this beast creature.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Tazinaffo on September 20, 2003, 02:03:15 PM
Everybody is talking about Isildro and Serpico in the next chapter because the preview. However, I have a doubt about the end of chapter 228.

Schierke met something like a spirit. Iīm not sure about who are this spirit. Schierke had thought that was Flora, but I think that it could be Guts. What do you think?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Olivier Hague on September 20, 2003, 02:28:23 PM
Schierke had thought that was Flora
Nope.
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but I think that it could be Guts.
That's kinda obvious, really... ^^;
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Tazinaffo on September 20, 2003, 04:37:55 PM
Nope

Olivier

In your first resume you had said the pentacle/magical circle was created by Flora. When Schierke is falling down in the darkness, the pentacle appear and she calls for "the master/teacher (according with the translation). So, couldnīt the spirit be Flora too?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: medievald00d on September 20, 2003, 05:58:57 PM
first off, its pentagram, not pentacle/tentacle

Now, the figure/spirit's head looked a bit like guts...now, i see absolutely no resemblence to Flora. I believe Schierke was referring to the pentagram when she said Thats...Masters...

Correct me/ hague me if im wrong.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Sancho Panza on September 20, 2003, 06:38:25 PM
Tazinaffo, don't question with The Hague, in this forum there's that rule: Olivier Hague is NEVER wrong.
So, you should only say: Oh, shit! I've been hagued... :-\
 ;D
And this spirit, sorry but I really don't see how it could be anyone but Guts ;)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Majin Tenshi on September 20, 2003, 06:52:06 PM
Really, the thing about it blatently haveing only 1 eye pretty much makes it a safe bet.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: kimchan on September 20, 2003, 06:54:23 PM
first off, its pentagram, not pentacle/tentacle

In keeping with griping over pointless details, pentacle is acceptable too, but the star in that talisman is a Star of David, note six points rather than 5.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Griffith on September 20, 2003, 08:16:53 PM
A second special preview has gone up at Berserk Corner. This one is actually pretty good, it even reveals a little more about the shadow Schierke encounters in Guts' mind/soul.

http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/sp/04v20.html (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/preview.jpg)

Miura's done it again.

-Griffith

Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: medievald00d on September 20, 2003, 08:19:01 PM
lol, your photoshoping abilities never cease to amaze me...

I suppose its final, Guts is actually a troll!!!! ::)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Olivier Hague on September 20, 2003, 08:49:25 PM
I believe Schierke was referring to the pentagram when she said Thats...Masters...
Precisely.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Smith on September 21, 2003, 02:09:20 AM
http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/sp/04v20.html (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/preview.jpg)


WTF? Guts had turn into troll?!!  :o

And Schierke reaction would be:
Pg1 Sch: !
pg2 Sch: !
pg3 Sch: !
pg4 Sch: !
pg5 Sch: !
... ...

pg20 Sch: !!!!!!!!



Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: namayias on September 21, 2003, 02:50:59 AM
my god i'm still crying from laughing too hard.  Great picture. HAHA.

but onto other things. Maybe this chapter will delve into serpico's and Isidro's powers a bit. Like discovering new abilities using the elements. I think it would be interesting to see what other abilities these 2 can control with their weapons.  Also, it seems grunbeld and Guts are not fighting much anymore. will Guts begin an attack again while schierke is confronting his mind/spirit. What problems could arise if she does pull him out of his beast mode in the middle of the fight?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Majin Tenshi on September 21, 2003, 03:05:14 AM
pg20 Sch: !!!!!!!!
 thats not till next chapter... y'know, when the baby trolls come burstin out of Schirke's abdomen.  
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Tazinaffo on September 21, 2003, 05:55:59 PM
Tazinaffo, don't question with The Hague, in this forum there's that rule: Olivier Hague is NEVER wrong.
So, you should only say: Oh, shit! I've been hagued... :-\
 ;D
And this spirit, sorry but I really don't see how it could be anyone but Guts ;)

Youīre right, Sancho! Now I see I was sleeping about that!  ;D
And Olivier and phoenixfenix, sorry for that! I didnīt want to be rude!

Thanks
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Wii wii wii on September 21, 2003, 07:51:41 PM
me no stab someone down teh lane
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: pupo on September 22, 2003, 04:27:43 PM
I myself am surprised to see Guts still using the Dragon Slayer, he should buy a new sword to match his armor at the item shop. I think one with a big Beast eye and maybe teeth going down each side would be pretty slick; like a racing stripe.Or… it’s just the perfect size and weight for him; utilitarian value? :)


But the DS is just about to show some power... :)
I think he shouldīve gotten that (Florasī) axe from the item shop...to keep as a secondary weapon. Probably weīll never know what that weapon could do... :-[
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Nadiaska on September 22, 2003, 09:55:40 PM
From the view of this Japanese guy (http://homepage1.nifty.com/bluestone/berserk/animal/ya228.html)

We can see many iron thorn tree(?) put into Guts' body. They are supposed to reinforce his ragged and broken body.
Schierke finds the beast formed by od of the armor and Guts' hatred in his inner mind. She also sees his memories of the time of the Hawks and the occultation, which could be said as "before the eclipse" and "after the eclipse"
There are many secnes where Griffith, the captain of the Hawks, is seen and Casca, a little bit, when she was trying to jump off the cliff .
And of course she gets scared seeing the occultation.

Asking Flora for help,  she finds the talisman in the armor which Flora carved into in episode 222.
She can touch some shadow(the former owner of the armor? maybe?) with the talisman.

And the Japanese guy thinks it could be also possible that Schierke helps Casca the same way she can read Guts' inner mind and probably help him regain himself.
Interesting thought, I think.

[EDIT] This is rough translation because it is done so quickly and I am often confused with the context. :P


 It is really very interesting, I also find that the days of insanity of the Casca are counted, but do not know if schierke has to be able to bring the memory of her in return! But this still is future, since she is only exploring the thoughts of Guts! Hmmmm and the armor, will be that he will be capable to take off it?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: deadfuse on September 22, 2003, 09:59:09 PM
I doubt the DS has any specific "powers" like the elemental weapons.  Since it's power mainly comes from having been used to kill so many unnatural creatures, apostles, trolls, you name it, it has become very effective at hurting such entities.  i.e., it would be able to harm and perhaps kill a member of the god's hand (god's finger? if so, is femto the thumb or the middle one?) and, something a regular sword would have no hope of doing.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Kart on September 22, 2003, 11:20:12 PM
meh, it probably could harm any of the god member hands but Femto, remember because he branded Guts he controls his life, so he can just will it and his brand will burst out with blood.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: deadfuse on September 22, 2003, 11:28:18 PM
meh, it probably could harm any of the god member hands but Femto, remember because he branded Guts he controls his life, so he can just will it and his brand will burst out with blood.

That's when Guts activates his armor, which can override even the horrible agony of the brand, and opens up 8 crates of whoop-ass on Griffith while the later stares stupified at his hand.  jk,  :P
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Kart on September 23, 2003, 01:16:51 AM
that thing that keeps his brand from attracting demons is only good for a limited time, until they get to elfhiem.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: medievald00d on September 23, 2003, 02:22:20 AM
I just noticed something very interesting (and completely irrelevant). On pg 13, Griffith is posing in front of 2 trebuchets. Since when did the original band of the hawk have seige weapons. Since when could they afford them!?!??!

I thought it was interesting that a pic like that would be in his memory, (but irrelevent... ::))
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Olivier Hague on September 23, 2003, 02:25:41 AM
Since when did the original band of the hawk have seige weapons. Since when could they afford them!?!??!
It's not like they always fought all by themselves...
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: deadfuse on September 23, 2003, 04:41:18 AM
that thing that keeps his brand from attracting demons is only good for a limited time, until they get to elfhiem.

Yes, but that's not what I was talking about.  When being influenced by the curse of the armor, he would not feel the pain eminating from the brand (which before was enough to bring him to his knees).
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Smith on September 23, 2003, 09:05:02 AM
I think he shouldīve gotten that (Florasī) axe from the item shop...to keep as a secondary weapon. Probably weīll never know what that weapon could do... :-[



I guess u r probably right, maybe Guts in that armor is so strong that he will be able to wield 2 weapons at the same time and fight with double weapon, which i guess should be enough to scare Grunbeld off...  :P


P.S if i m not wrong (just base on my instinct), that axe should consist of power from earth elemental...


Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: xechnao on September 23, 2003, 09:32:14 AM
I doubt the DS has any specific "powers" like the elemental weapons.  Since it's power mainly comes from having been used to kill so many unnatural creatures, apostles, trolls, you name it, it has become very effective at hurting such entities.  i.e., it would be able to harm and perhaps kill a member of the god's hand (god's finger? if so, is femto the thumb or the middle one?) and, something a regular sword would have no hope of doing.

Maybe this is nonsense but as I get it DS is powered by shadow. Guts can wield it no
problem and use it like this because his mind can chanell dark(ness) big-time. Guts can chanell hatred and all those evil and dark emotions so DS is his toy in command. Thus DS's shadow obeys and is controlled by Guts. Guts has
not seen this as Schierke could but he doesn't really care. For him important thing is to fight, survive and his hatred. He stands and believes only in those, at least so far and hasn't needed anything else and thus is 100% effective with shadow because he and his essence are pue 100% shadow themselves(or paraller with it anyway). If he went the explanations and letteral(ly) understandings way he would just step out of this parallel of shadow that he and his essence are. So Guts is a 100% Dark-Black Knight.
This assumes that DS was like this from the begining, when Guts first got it from this smith that now I can't remember his name. I want to believe this because if this is at play Guts would never have wielded DS total actual weight(which is impossible) but through the shadow, which definatelly would have make it a toy(and thus very lighter for him) to his hands. Nobody till now did tell that DS wasn't like this from the beginning. Skullknight told what he told ok, but this is according to his spirit. He wouldn't give an analisis to Guts like Schierke because he doesn't speak like this and actually Guts wouldn't need to know more or different than what he allready knows.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Walter on September 23, 2003, 05:22:14 PM
No.  Shadow isn't even an element in the Berserk world.  Guts ability with the DS is powered by his length of time and battles in the Interstice.  This is told in Episode 200-202, by Flora.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: xechnao on September 23, 2003, 06:21:33 PM
No.  Shadow isn't even an element in the Berserk world.  Guts ability with the DS is powered by his length of time and battles in the Interstice.  This is told in Episode 200-202, by Flora.

I never said that shadow is an element. The supposition was that the shadow could be chanelled to have specific "powers" like the elementals (and those help(= to the user) needs to be chanelled too). I never understood this Flora said that way. I am having the italian version and I haven't figured this like that.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Ozmo on September 23, 2003, 06:45:43 PM
Stuff like "channeling the shadow/darkness" or talking about "the shadow" alltogether have a theoretical chance of being exactly what Miura's planning and so on, but sounds pretty far fetched to me. All we're told is that the weapon is now capable of hurting even a God Hand (or tearing apart their bodies anyway) because it's killed so many supernatural creatures and absorbed some of their aura. It's good to think a lot, but I think you might be going a bit too far with your speculations.

I'm a bit skeptical on the "Shiercke bringing Casca back" thing. At worst she would relieve Casca's memories of her wrestling session with Femto and end up a vegetable too. Of course we've yet to see exactly what she can do inside one's head and getting Casca back would be damn cool, so I'm somewhat hopefull as well.
Title: Episode 229
Post by: Olivier Hague on September 23, 2003, 07:47:00 PM
Again, 'could be BS... We'll see.

I kinda suspected that (based on the title), but it looks like episode 229 will end a "part/chapter/something" of the manga.
And Miura _is_ taking a break, this time. A long one. Episode 230 is due for November 14.

Basically, Schierke brings Guts' sanity back, and Guts ignores Gurunberd to kill the Apostles that Serpico and Isidro were fighting. He's in a bad shape, but at least, he's not "berserk" anymore.
Gurunberd appears but is stopped by a young Flora, summoning a wall of flame to protect the others. She bids farewell to Schierke and wishes her luck on her journey.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Uriel on September 23, 2003, 07:54:52 PM
November 14th... that's a big break :-\
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Griffith on September 23, 2003, 08:33:38 PM
November 14th... that's a big break :-\

Yeah, I was afraid of this, he's been in overdrive the last few months. Guts' shape in the series right now probably reflects Miura's stress level. =)

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 229
Post by: xechnao on September 23, 2003, 08:34:53 PM
Again, 'could be BS... We'll see.

I kinda suspected that (based on the title), but it looks like episode 229 will end a "part/chapter/something" of the manga.
And Miura _is_ taking a break, this time. A long one. Episode 230 is due for November 14.

Basically, Schierke brings Guts' sanity back, and Guts ignores Grunbeld to kill the Apostles that Serpico and Isidro were fighting. He's in a bad shape, but at least, he's not "berserk" anymore.
Grunbeld appears but is stopped by a young Flora, summoning a wall of flame to protect the others. She bids farewell to Schierke and wishes her luck on her journey.

For BERSERK harcore fans it would be like climaxing towards orgasm and just before extasy having your partner back off just to say to you: ok we' ll see each other in couple of months.
Title: Re:Episode 229
Post by: puella on September 23, 2003, 11:18:03 PM


I kinda suspected that (based on the title), but it looks like episode 229 will end a "part/chapter/something" of the manga.
And Miura _is_ taking a break, this time. A long one. Episode 230 is due for November 14.

Yeah, Miura must take a break but what am I supposed to during that break? :'(

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Grunbeld appears but is stopped by a young Flora, summoning a wall of flame to protect the others. She bids farewell to Schierke and wishes her luck on her journey.

Young Flora?
Can't wait to see. Where's Walter?  ;D
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Nadiaska on September 23, 2003, 11:38:41 PM
November 14th... that's a big break :-\

It is very sad, Berserk does not go to never finish! It is bad to be waiting months for new features!  :'( :'(
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: SexyCharlotte on September 24, 2003, 02:52:58 AM
Here are the 2 pages talking about the card game. Translators, go at it if you want.

Page 1
http://kuroikenshi.150m.com/Pics/Current%20YA/Chapter%20228/Card1.jpg (http://kuroikenshi.150m.com/Pics/Current%20YA/Chapter%20228/Card1.jpg)

Page 2
http://kuroikenshi.150m.com/Pics/Current%20YA/Chapter%20228/Card2.jpg (http://kuroikenshi.150m.com/Pics/Current%20YA/Chapter%20228/Card2.jpg)

Enjoy it folks!


Excellent...thanks for the scan and the card information. A definite must for the collector.

LG
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: medievald00d on September 24, 2003, 03:05:44 AM
trading card game? like magic? Damn, those kinds of things usually ruin a good thing...
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Ozmo on September 24, 2003, 03:45:05 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't November only a few months away? Of course I don't really remember the months in English, so I might be very wrong...  :-\
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: medievald00d on September 24, 2003, 03:58:56 AM
September (now)-October-November

The next episode comes a month after the Darkhorse release
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Tazinaffo on September 24, 2003, 05:02:06 AM
It is very sad, Berserk does not go to never finish! It is bad to be waiting months for new features!  :'( :'(

If we consider the number of "great" apostiles alive (with Grumbeld if Guts donīt kill him now), the five godīs hands and the others little things and causal enemies, you know, I think Berserk can go on for many years.

Iīm really anxious for the end, but Iīm also affraid because I donīt want to get without this anxiety for the next chapter. If the history goes on for a long time, I hope Miura keep its quality and origins.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: xechnao on September 24, 2003, 05:57:14 AM
If we consider the number of "great" apostiles alive (with Grumbeld if Guts donīt kill him now), the five godīs hands and the others little things and causal enemies, you know, I think Berserk can go on for many years.

Iīm really anxious for the end, but Iīm also affraid because I donīt want to get without this anxiety for the next chapter. If the history goes on for a long time, I hope Miura keep its quality and origins.

If it goes like this in the worst of the cases it will become like Dragonball and in the best something like Hokuton Noken-Fist of the North Star.
Title: Re:Episode 229
Post by: Smith on September 24, 2003, 06:09:33 AM

I kinda suspected that (based on the title), but it looks like episode 229 will end a "part/chapter/something" of the manga.
And Miura _is_ taking a break, this time. A long one. Episode 230 is due for November 14.


OMG. 7 week?!!  :o

Look like 229 is the end of a very big topic, as such millennium falcon, and maybe Miura will take that 2 months break to start everything anew... but i still cant control my tears...  :'(


Btw, i hope to see Casca and farnese this time,  else there is no hope of seeing them for many days to come...

Title: Re:Episode 229
Post by: Chris on September 24, 2003, 07:46:42 AM
Look like 229 is the end of a very big topic, as such millennium falcon

I really don't think so. More like the end of the "Seima Senki" Chapter.
By the way, regarding the translation of this chapter title in this thread (http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/index.php?board=4;action=display;threadid=729;start=msg13601#msg13601), can we now settle on what would be the most accurate ?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Ozmo on September 24, 2003, 06:55:32 PM
Sounds interesting. Must be one heck of a wall of flame to stop Grunbeld btw.

Hague, how come you keep knowing what happens in every chapter like a week before they're released?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Nadiaska on September 24, 2003, 10:38:51 PM
If we consider the number of "great" apostiles alive (with Grumbeld if Guts donīt kill him now), the five godīs hands and the others little things and causal enemies, you know, I think Berserk can go on for many years.

Iīm really anxious for the end, but Iīm also affraid because I donīt want to get without this anxiety for the next chapter. If the history goes on for a long time, I hope Miura keep its quality and origins.

Hi, Tazinaffo! You have reason, Berserk is an excellent history, but sincerely I would not like to complete 40 years and still reading Berserk (I am with 23 years of age). If the chapters did not delay in such a way , would go to be excellent, but unhappyly nor everything is perfect! In the worse one of the cases it can happen what xechnao said!  :'(
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: roberto999 on September 25, 2003, 12:02:34 AM
Hi, Tazinaffo! You have reason, Berserk is an excellent history, but sincerely I would not like to complete 40 years and still reading Berserk (I am with 23 years of age).

And what  is it wrong with that ?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Olivier Hague on September 25, 2003, 12:03:31 AM
I'm still not _100%_ sure... But it looks like some of Guts' hair turned white.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Smith on September 25, 2003, 12:48:01 AM
I'm still not _100%_ sure... But it looks like some of Guts hair turned white.


WTF?... Guts had aged?!!

I think the story is causing me more and more nuts about berserk...


P.S Wouldnt it be great if Guts hair had totally turned white?  ;D
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Walter on September 25, 2003, 01:27:33 AM
It's a sign of a traumatic event, or immense stress.  It can actually happen, too.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Tazinaffo on September 25, 2003, 02:32:17 AM
I'm still not _100%_ sure... But it looks like some of Guts hair turned white.

I think you have some powers like Flora, Hague! Yours news are really great and I hope youīre right. This change in Gutsīs appearance sounds interesting.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: medievald00d on September 25, 2003, 02:35:13 AM
White short hair eh? All he needs are glasses and a shorter sword and he'll look just like Enishi....
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Majin Tenshi on September 25, 2003, 03:55:30 AM
Lets just hope he doesn't end up looking like a skunk.  
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Wereallmad on September 25, 2003, 05:21:23 AM
It's a sign of a traumatic event, or immense stress.  It can actually happen, too.

Intense fear has traditionally been the most common cause.

Also to consider is that in Abrahamic religions, having white hair is a sign of having come in contact with God. Moses, and I believe elijah were said to have glowing faces and white hair. Christ is said to have looked this way at his baptisism, ascention, and later in dream of John which comprises most of the book of Revelation. I wouldn't be surprised if Mohamed is said to have had his hair turned white after leaving the cave where he wrote the qu'ran.

I'm not trying to suggest that Guts has come in contact with God, but trying to suggest the possibility of some underlying dogmatic/mythological element (berserk is no stranger to these).

In any case, isn't it interesting that now Guts matches Rutger Hauer even more-so?
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Ozmo on September 25, 2003, 06:27:39 AM
Amongst other things, one's hair turning white after using too much power/whatever is one of the biggest anime cliches right after absurd hair and big eyes. :)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Kart on September 25, 2003, 06:45:46 AM
Uhm, I believe in Trigun after a plant (Vash, Knives type people) uses up to much energy their hair begins to turn white. but that has nothing to do with this topic.

i don't think Guts and Casca are effected by normal aging, remember what flora side about being in the spiritual realm for so long made her life unnaturally long? but stress/fear/truama is a cause so that is probably what it is if the hazama effect isn't effecting them.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Walter on September 25, 2003, 06:57:53 AM
Jesus guys, I think we pinned it down already. Enough fucking anime cliche references.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Mage on September 25, 2003, 08:08:21 AM
I hate to beat a dead horse, but I just found Smith's reaction too funny to resist posting these:




(http://www.eek3.net/upload/files/Untitled-3.jpg)
(http://www.eek3.net/upload/files/Untitled-4.jpg)
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: lye on September 26, 2003, 01:58:46 AM
remember when askes hair turns white at the end of evil dead 2, i dont know berserk reminds me a lot of that movie, its groovy
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: Walter on September 26, 2003, 02:04:25 AM
Yeah, thanks for the input.  Anymore deep parallels anybody? Get them over with now so we don't have to suffer them later.
Title: Re:Episode 228
Post by: krunkster on September 26, 2003, 03:53:18 AM
Yeah, thanks for the input.  Anymore deep parallels anybody? Get them over with now so we don't have to suffer them later.

Remember that line from "The Ghostbusters" when Winston tells the mayor that he's "seen things that will turn your shit white!".  
Well maybe Guts got some white shit in his hair....

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