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Title: Episode 239
Post by: Graywords on April 16, 2004, 08:01:35 AM
http://www.hotarubi.net/suavo/berserk/Berserk_vol28_ch239_RAW.zip

The Special Preview for 239 is up, friends.  

(http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/sp/img/04v09.jpg)
It's chillingly revealing, as usual. ^_-

The title is "Tsukaima".  (does this mean "familiar", as in the type a magician would have?)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 16, 2004, 08:32:40 AM
Hah! Revealing indeed.

Anyway, "familiar"... okay, sticking to last week's speculations 1.) the child looks familiar. =) In the vein of what Gray said, 2.) the child is someone's familiar (this one will be popular). 3.) This is a familiar situation (looks like flames outside the window), perhaps like the last battle at Flora's. 4.) The flames and this "familiar" are connected somehow, perhaps one in the same or the fire is at least by the power of this strange force known as "familiar." 5.) All of the above, hey, why not?

6.) None of the above, whatever is "familiar," I have no fucking clue what I'm talking about (another good answer). :)

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 16, 2004, 08:40:50 AM
Hah! Revealing indeed.

looks like flames outside the window), the flames and familiar are connected somehow, perhaps one in the same or by power of this "familiar." None of the above, whatever's "familiar," I have no clue. :)

-Griffith

Look at the last page of previous chapter. It is clouds-mist gathering and coming. Something like what Ganishka has created in Midland castle.
And then this crocodile too...
hehe, too much Ganishka
Is he going to spy on Vritannis?
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Graywords on April 16, 2004, 08:44:08 AM
or...

18) the alligator is a familiar of some wizard, possibly Ganishka.

or maybe even...

19) Puck is a familiar of the Elf King, and their combined powers, along with the power of Heart, will destroy God Hand forever. ^_-
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: LordofMasks on April 16, 2004, 08:59:41 AM
Familiar: Is someone relative to...like brother, sister, or else... :P

Getting serious...looks like trouble again for Guts and Company...maybe Grunbert was chasing them after all... :o

lordofmasks
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: iggy on April 16, 2004, 09:54:07 AM
When the Hague is not here, the dogs are dancing. (?)

Anyway, "familiar"... okay, sticking to last week's speculations 1.) the child looks familiar. =) In the vein of what Gray said, 2.) the child is someone's familiar (this one will be popular). 3.) This is a familiar situation (looks like flames outside the window), perhaps like the last battle at Flora's. 4.) The flames and this "familiar" are connected somehow, perhaps one in the same or the fire is at least by the power of this strange force known as "familiar."
A tsukaima is a "familiar" in the meaning "spirit called/created by a wizard to obey him and do whatever he created/called them for". So we can forget 1) and 3).
And, familiars, Elfhelm, wizards, etc... It all goes along together.
If familiars are usually animal shapped, Abe no seimei, the famous onmyôji, was famous for having child-shapped familiars(shikigami in his case) who took care of his home (a detail extremely convenient to point every person working on the onmyôjutsu, call them pedophiles, laugh at them and then be cursed and having crows shit on you), so the child being a familiar from Elfhelm is the most probable right now, especially because it explains Schierke's reaction.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Walter on April 16, 2004, 01:03:00 PM
The crocodile is a familiar/negotiator sent by Ganishka to help bring Guts over to his side to take down the God Hand.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: attreau on April 16, 2004, 03:02:56 PM
I speculate that history is repeating itself as we see it, which is familiar to us.  To start off we have everybody trying to claim midland, kinda like when king gaiseric(if i spelt that right) stopped the tribal wars a long time ago. Will superGutts and the skullknight do this again? Also....
Guts being like Gambino and his crazy wife shizu. But the difference here, is that Casca has a chance to become sane again(HAHAHAHAHA TAKE THAT SHIZU). Shizu found Guts under his mom's corpse and took him under her wing, Casca is kind of doing the same with this new/unknown child.  And last, but not least, flora has helped the skullknight for the longest time, even when flora was young. Well now its that little witch Schierke or selkie or shiskabob, shawshank redemption???? CHiiiiiccaaagooo........


Anways, she is helping out Guts while it seems Guts is going in the same path as the skully skull bone head knight?
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 16, 2004, 03:25:37 PM
The crocodile is a familiar/negotiator sent by Ganishka to help bring Guts over to his side to take down the God Hand.

Hehe



About the part we see of "the crocodile" at last page of the last chapter. It really look like the part we see of the Kelpie in the first page of the chapter 211... maybe it's a more powerfull creature than the Kelpie using the water element.. well, we'll see soon !
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Namrok on April 16, 2004, 07:50:49 PM
Also....Guts being like Gambino and his crazy wife shizu. But the difference here, is that Casca has a chance to become sane again(HAHAHAHAHA TAKE THAT SHIZU). Shizu found Guts under his mom's corpse and took him under her wing, Casca is kind of doing the same with this new/unknown child.

This is probably the thing that makes the most sense, to me at least.  Plus I'd really like to see Guts wrestling with how to avoid being like Gambino.  Perhaps get some good nostalgic flashbacks and some commentary in retrospect by Guts.  It'd be a great chance for some more nice meaningful character developement like we've seen in these past few chapters.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Beave on April 16, 2004, 08:23:39 PM
or...

19) Puck is a familiar of the Elf King, and their combined powers, along with the power of Heart, will destroy God Hand forever. ^_-

Yeah, like the band Heart-- cooooooool Baracuda!!   ;D

Maybe there'll be a baracuda apostle.  Then, when they animate it, they can play that song.......   ;)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: nir085 on April 16, 2004, 08:52:08 PM
Awesome avatar Shurikn.

Wild and hopeful speculations aside, I say the only logical thing to assume is that it is the demon baby. There may not be a double meaning either.

I'm kind of surprised seeing Guts calmly staring out of the window considering the fact that they were at Vrittanis during all of the last chapter and some kind of crocodile appeared at the end. So unless Guts, the Demon Baby, or someone else made quick work of this beast, maybe it really was just someone's spy.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Olivier Hague on April 16, 2004, 09:04:03 PM
they were at Vrittanis during all of the last chapter
Er... No, they weren't. ^^;
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: nir085 on April 16, 2004, 09:07:11 PM
I thought that was the name for the sea? Well, just the sea then.

Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 16, 2004, 09:13:31 PM
I thought that was the name for the sea? Well, just the sea then.



Vritannis is a nearby city-port and also where the Holy Order is based now..
Guts and Co are on their way there to get a boat for elfhelm. On the same time, Midland forces are gathering there against the Kushans.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: *Gyom* on April 16, 2004, 09:14:00 PM
It is the name for the port town.
Guil
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: roberto999 on April 16, 2004, 10:27:05 PM
Here you can find some info on the witch's familiar
http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/new_age_perspectives/38594 (http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/new_age_perspectives/38594)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 16, 2004, 11:10:08 PM
Awesome avatar Shurikn.
thanks a lot, I'm proud of it but I have nothing to do with the great coloring (I don't know if it's coloring or if was like that in the volume) i don't remember where i found it, it's been a long time that i have it but i never found somewhere to host it, i found one yesterday.. I had to resize it because the original is very big.. i use it as a wallpaper on my laptop.

I thought that was the name for the sea? Well, just the sea then.
Since everybody will answer about this (:P).. it's the name of the city/port there's a lot of war boats there, "every" noble from the region gathered there for the war, we know this since the volume 24 I think..
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Olivier Hague on April 16, 2004, 11:19:53 PM
On the same time, Midland forces are gathering there against the Kushans.
They're not Midland forces.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 17, 2004, 05:34:06 AM
thanks a lot, I'm proud of it but I have nothing to do with the great coloring (I don't know if it's coloring or if was like that in the volume) i don't remember where i found it,

Probably here since I colored it. ;)

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Aerk on April 17, 2004, 07:16:46 AM
Hello, I would like to begin my first post by saying 'Thank you' for all the work put in by the Skullknight.net group in delivering Berserk scans/translations hot off the YA presses-

But Griffith, do you have a full size version of Shurikn's avatar?  I spent about two hours searching for it, until giving up and finally registering an account instead of just lurking :)  I am a big Grateful Dead fan, so that picture helps combine two of my favorite things.

Thanks

--
Aerk
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 17, 2004, 08:18:11 AM
They're not Midland forces.

Midland ally forces under Holy Order to free Midland against the Kushans.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Olivier Hague on April 17, 2004, 12:12:19 PM
Midland ally forces under Holy Order to free Midland against the Kushans.
They're not Midland forces.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: *Gyom* on April 17, 2004, 01:01:04 PM
They're not Midland forces.
;D
Indeed. If I'm not wrong, they're forces of some allied nations who want to push back kushans since they can be a danger to them too.
Anyway, there was no more Midland forces, till the new Band of the Hawks made its apparition at Shet (it is Shet, right ? ^^)

Guil
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 17, 2004, 03:32:31 PM
They're not Midland forces.

It's their allied forces under the Holy Order banner in means of fighting the Kushans.
Is is detailed and clear enough now?   :o


;D
Indeed. If I'm not wrong, they're forces of some allied nations who want to push back kushans since they can be a danger to them too.
Anyway, there was no more Midland forces, till the new Band of the Hawks made its apparition at Shet (it is Shet, right ? ^^)

Guil

Guil, hehe
technically no.
Band of new Hawks were not under Charlotte's command. Since Charlotte was a captive there could be no Midland forces.  ;D
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Olivier Hague on April 17, 2004, 04:03:20 PM
It's their allied forces under the Holy Order banner in means of fighting the Kushans.
They're not Midland forces.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 17, 2004, 06:23:17 PM
Probably here since I colored it. ;)

-Griffith

Great work !! I thought i didn't found it on sk.net tho...   (can i use it ? :P)




Hey Xech !! Why are you acting like you know everything and reply like Olivier since you hit the 1000 posts ? If at least you replied true things... I can do it too, post shit till 1000post and then try to be the human encyclopedia of Berserk like this everybody will think i'm right because i'll have over 1000posts
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 17, 2004, 06:38:58 PM
They're not Midland forces.

Ce sont les alliés de Midland sous l' Ordre Sacré.  ;)



Hey Xech !! Why are you acting like you know everything and reply like Olivier since you hit the 1000 posts ? If at least you replied true things... I can do it too, post shit till 1000post and then try to be the human encyclopedia of Berserk like this everybody will think i'm right because i'll have over 1000posts

Because you are a flamer ;)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Olivier Hague on April 17, 2004, 07:01:48 PM
Ce sont les alliés de Midland sous l' Ordre Sacré.  ;)
Non.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 17, 2004, 07:33:59 PM
Non.

Si, si:

"The allied army has founded a provisional goverment.

I have heard that the armies of all the countries faithful to the Holy Order have been arriving.

After king's death, the princess, unique heiress remained, has disapeared. Now the Midland throne is empty.

If they achieve to back off the Kushans, it will be the allies to dominate Midlnad."

P.S. Obviously, Midland is also a country faithful to the Holy Order.






Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 17, 2004, 07:57:36 PM
Si, si:

"The allied army has founded a provisional goverment.

I have heard that the armies of all the countries faithful to the Holy Order have been arriving.

After king's death, the princess, unique heiress remained, has disapeared. Now the Midland throne is empty.

If they achieve to back off the Kushans, it will be the allies to dominate Midlnad."

P.S. Obviously, Midland is also a country faithful to the Holy Order.

Wow, it takes a lot of words to say a whole lot of nothing, doesn't it? You know, even if someone from Midland happens to be there, that doesn't make the coalition "Midland Forces."

Anyway, even though Olivier is most probably correct (he reads Japanese, you shouldn't even be allowed to question him unless you do too), Xech will be stubborn and never accept it. Even if what Olivier claims is confirmed in the coming chapters, I look forward to bizarre rationalizatons and creative truth-weaving! Oh joy.

So let's just agree to disagree. Or to make a better point; it's not a coalition of Midland Forces. ;D

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 17, 2004, 08:23:51 PM
Because you are a flamer ;)

Thanks for the info... i didn't know that, i thought i was only someone who know how to analyse your behavior.. you don't even know what "flaming" mean.

By translating what you said in french i think it's a way of insulting Olivier, he understand japanese, english and french so if you are wrong in english why would you be right in french ?
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 17, 2004, 08:24:48 PM
Wow, it takes a lot of words to say a whole lot of nothing, doesn't it? You know, even if someone from Midland happens to be there, that doesn't make the coalition "Midland Forces."

Anyway, even though Olivier is most probably correct (he reads Japanese, you shouldn't even be allowed to question him unless you do too), Xech will be stubborn and never accept it. Even if what Olivier claims is confirmed in the coming chapters, I look forward to bizarre rationalizatons and creative truth-weaving! Oh joy.

So let's just agree to disagree. Or to make a better point; it's not a coalition of Midland Forces. ;D

-Griffith

Hey, wow what a flame board!
I said Midland's a-l-l-i-e-s as far as Holy Order is concerned  (allies when it comes to Holy Order command and Midland is one of them).  
Those words are from my manga and I bet Olivier can't fail them (fyi they are also translated from a guy speaking japaneese).
Guess what, it's not that we disagree (actually we don't disagree), it is that Olivier wants to quote me and here it is rolling on.

P.S. it is a bit curious how double standards about members work on this board.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 17, 2004, 08:30:26 PM
I learned a lot today, i'm studing for my exams so it's normal to learn.. but i learned also a lot here. Now i know that proving someone wrong and saying things about his behaviour make use flamers. I'll go to bed a lot smarter than yesterday ! Thanks everybody !

Those words are from my manga and I bet Olivier can't fail them (fyi they are also translated from a guy speaking japaneese).

I bet that guys from The Hawks" can read japanese also and we all know that the scanlations they have are not accurate.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Olivier Hague on April 17, 2004, 08:38:03 PM
I said Midland's a-l-l-i-e-s
You're still wrong. They're not Midland forces, and they're not Midland's allies either.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: nir085 on April 17, 2004, 08:50:50 PM
Who are they then  ???

Just unidentified people at Vritannis who are fighting against the Kushans?

Didn't Midland send out the HICK to investigate the Red Lake prophecy though?
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Olivier Hague on April 17, 2004, 08:52:33 PM
Who are they then  ???
Other countries. I wouldn't be surprised if Tudor (not exactly an ally of Midland, right?) was among them.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 17, 2004, 08:55:25 PM
You're still wrong. They're not Midland forces, and they're not Midland's allies either.

 I am not wrong. You are just misunderstanding me (on purpose?). I quoted the exact dialogue:
Those are allies under the Holy Order command (something like the various christian countries, faithful to Vatican, allied against arabs or turks. Those countries are allies against those nations)

Other countries. I wouldn't be surprised if Tudor (not exactly an ally of Midland, right?) was among them.

Tudor is an ally to Midland when it comes to Kushans (because of the Holy Order). Same as Rome and Spain were allies when it came to Turks and Arabs.

I bet that guys from The Hawks" can read japanese also and we all know that the scanlations they have are not accurate.

What I' ve been hearing is that they are stealing skullknight.net's translations.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 17, 2004, 09:05:28 PM
I am not wrong. You are just misunderstanding me (on purpose?). I quoted the exact dialogue:
Those are allies under the Holy Order command (something like the various christian countries, faithful to Vatican, allied against arabs or turks. Those countries are allies against those nations)Tudor is an ally to Midland when it comes to Kushans (because of the Holy Order). Same as Rome and Spain were allies when it came to Turks and Arabs.

http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/index.php?board=11;action=display;threadid=2523

What I' ve been hearing is that they are stealing skullknight.net's translations.
Since some time but not always, i downloaded the scanlation version of volume 26 because i don't have a good resolution of my raw and the translation they have is not really the same as the one we have here...

Edit : I downloaded vol 26 scanlation version 2 days ago ;)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 17, 2004, 09:17:36 PM
http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/index.php?board=11;action=display;threadid=2523Since

Yes, I used "Vatican" as an example in our world. In the BERSERK world I used the term "Holy Order" for it.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 17, 2004, 09:20:32 PM
Yes, I used "Vatican" as an example in our world. In the BERSERK world I used the term "Holy Order" for it.
I'm sorry.. the way you structured your paragraph it was a bit confusing (the quote part specialy)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 17, 2004, 10:01:29 PM
Actually, they do steal our translations, I don't know how you couldn't tell by reading volume 26. They even have our translators handles here listed in the front. This has been going on since about volume 23. Probably before that, but not as blatantly. Many chapters are basically word for word now. Anyway, I'm glad, because if you read thehawks stuff before that, you'd know why they got their crappy reputation, "Bank of the Hawk!" Especially since, as we've seen today, people quote their translations as if they are divine no matter what the source. So I'd rather they be ours than the total crap thehawks used to crank out. They've even stolen some of Walter's old Post Eclipse scans from here as well for some reason (not exactly awesome stuff by Wally's standards). But yeah, either way, it comes down to how much they suck. =)

Anyway, Xech, since you want more flaming material; your Italian editions and any quotations from them can eat a big fat dick as far as I'm concerned. They mean shit.

Those are closer to actual flames, but not quite there (too genuine and true). ;D

-Griffith

P.S. BTW, they aren't Midland's allies in any respect, if they got rid of the Kushan's it would be for a piece of the pie, they wouldn't rebuild Midland, they would expand their countries. That was the whole point of the line about Midland disappearing. So shut up already. ;)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Swordsman in Sable on April 17, 2004, 10:10:03 PM
How many times must the Hague and Griffith repeat themselves? =/
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 17, 2004, 10:43:17 PM
Actually, they do steal our translations, I don't know how you couldn't tell by reading volume 26. They even have our translators handles here listed in the front. This has been going on since about volume 23.

Well.. when i started reading volume 26 scanlation version, i was reading the trans i took here when the chapter was released and ... i was a bit disappointed because the "standards" we have here about some words (Like the od or things like that) and sometimes some turning of phrases didn't mean the same thing to me.. maybe i'm not good enough in english to see that it means the same thing ;)

I didn't noticed what they say about the translators...  well they are assholes no matter what... we don't even know the 3 firsts translators..  ;D

Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 17, 2004, 11:37:07 PM
Anyway, Xech, since you want more flaming material; your Italian editions and any quotations from them can eat a big fat dick as far as I'm concerned. They mean shit.

Those are closer to actual flames, but not quite there (too genuine and true). ;D

-Griffith

As long as you provide an alternative, better one, that could mean less shit, fair enough. Since you haven't, you lose. This is the truth  ;D

P.S. BTW, they aren't Midland's allies in any respect, if they got rid of the Kushan's it would be for a piece of the pie, they wouldn't rebuild Midland, they would expand their countries. That was the whole point of the line about Midland disappearing. So shut up already. ;)

They are in respect of Holy Order. And Allies don't help each other just for the sake of it. There are always interests (although not always the same in every case).
Even in the case Midland disappears because of allies' control division*, the new territory is always supposed to be under the Holy Order's command which is where Midland is faithful.

*that was the point about disappearing

P.S. Guts thought about Midland disappearing was made after the other man mentioned the worst ipothetical conclusion. Anyway, being allies in regards of the Holy Order is the whole point why the forces are gathering at Vritannins under Holy Order's command and not taking initiative independently. So shut up allready (this to match your words). ;)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Uriel on April 18, 2004, 12:20:04 AM
Xech... how many things have you been right about since you joined SK.net? I can't recall a single thing off the top of my head. I'm not going to take part in any kind of head hunt against you, but Olivier and Griffith are right. They know this series indepth and by heart. They are the few among us who are trying to make you see sense by dispensing their spare time and wisdom. Just stop being so defiant and think about the point you're trying to make.

Maybe you should read Berserk a few more times to understand the plot a wee bit better.

....

How the hell did this debate come from a picture of next to nothing?!
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 18, 2004, 12:54:37 AM
Xech... how many things have you been right about since you joined SK.net? I can't recall a single thing off the top of my head. I'm not going to take part in any kind of head hunt against you, but Olivier and Griffith are right. They know this series indepth and by heart. They are the few among us who are trying to make you see sense by dispensing their spare time and wisdom. Just stop being so defiant and think about the point you're trying to make.

Maybe you should read Berserk a few more times to understand the plot a wee bit better.

....

How the hell did this debate come from a picture of next to nothing?!

Well, this post is an example of sorta curious mentallity I previously mentioned. Sometimes it's not about BERSERK, it's flame ganging over here (even if BERSERK gets mixed in).
Go and check above posts:
I said they are allies regarding the Holy Order.
Olivier says they are not allies.
I am explaining that I was speaking as far as Holy Order's leadership and command is concerned (which is true). I also quote a dialogue from the manga as an answer because as Oliver was insisting, so I wanted to make him see what I was talking about directly from the manga and then Griffith comes and says that this dialogue is shit.  ???  
Then I reply back.
After that Uriel comes to bash me and praise Olivier and Griffith on this debate.

Now, don't get me wrong, I also believe Olivier and Griffith worth praising on these boards for many reasons, but some times things get curious as mentioned above.
I think this also was worth noting.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: nir085 on April 18, 2004, 01:12:00 AM
lol, if you're that adamant, just wait until Guts' crew reach Vritannis 2-3 months from now. I'm sure your score with Griffith and Hague will be settled at that point, one way or another.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 18, 2004, 01:19:07 AM
After that Uriel comes to bash me and praise Olivier and Griffith on this debate.
I think this also was worth noting.

Where the f*ck are you from to think Uriel is bashing you ? I hope you are the only one from there.

If it's worth nothing.. shut up and let it go. You are in contradiction with your behaviour if you think it's worth nothing and keep replying this kind of bullshit. You don't see the difference with what you say and what Olivier and Griffith are saying ? Find it by yourself and stop posting.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 18, 2004, 01:25:53 AM
Where the f*ck are you from to think Uriel is bashing you ? I hope you are the only one from there.

If it's worth nothing.. shut up and let it go. You are in contradiction with your behaviour if you think it's worth nothing and keep replying this kind of bullshit.

You got offended once by me because of a smilie. Just saying to let you know how you assume your double standards sometimes and the part you are taking around here.

You don't see the difference with what you say and what Olivier and Griffith are saying ? Find it by yourself and stop posting.

Oh, yes, I do. See just below.


lol, if you're that adamant, just wait until Guts' crew reach Vritannis 2-3 months from now. I'm sure your score with Griffith and Hague will be settled at that point, one way or another.

I said just above that eventually is not about BERSERK.
It's a stupid debate where it tries to contrast allies as far as Holy Order is concerned with some more general form of alliance. It depends the way you put it and while I've put it on a certain way people are debating from a different place (just for the sake of debating?)
There is nothing to settle (pride aside?).
So can we try to stop with this?
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 18, 2004, 02:05:59 AM
I said they are allies regarding the Holy Order.

Midland forces are gathering there against the Kushans.

See guys, in his own way, Xech does accept corrections to his opinion. He just doesn't accept that there was ever any correction made. ;D

-Griffith

P.S. It's like Wolverine in ORIGIN, except in this case it's WEASEL (what is this, WDT 10?). =)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on April 18, 2004, 02:07:54 AM
Wow, and this thread is off to a superb start... :sigh:

/Back to SWG
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 18, 2004, 02:14:30 AM
See guys, in his own way, Xech does accept corrections to his opinion. He just doesn't accept that there was ever any correction made. ;D

-Griffith

P.S. It's like Wolverine in ORIGIN. =)

It would be clearer if you linked the very first page of this thread if you wanted to drive back to the very origin of things  :D
I tried to give a broad picture at nir085 which thought that the ocean's name was Vritannis.
Then Olivier said not Midland forces and then I replied back:
"Midland ally forces under Holy Order to free Midland against the Kushans."
Olivier then insisted and I replied till (maybe) finally he saw the way I was putting it.
You know the rest.
Matter settled.

P.S. Hitler was calling people he wanted to flame WEASELS.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: IgnusDei on April 18, 2004, 03:39:47 AM
Why. didn't. the. mods. ban. xech. yet?

He's obviously trolling the boards, and frankly you two, winning an argument with him isn't gonna be that fulfilling.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: dwarfkicker on April 18, 2004, 05:07:49 AM
You can't just ban the dude because he sees things differently.  Griffith once said that it made him think about things differently even though he still doesn't agree with him.  It's just another way to look at something.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Wereallmad on April 18, 2004, 06:10:44 AM
You can't just ban the dude because he sees things differently.

Of course you can. You can ban the guy because he DOESN'T think differently. You can ban the guy by impartial lotto. You can littereally ban anyone you want, for any reason, in fact, you don't even need a reason.

Whatever the case, the admins haven't banned the guy, and it's their business why. There already was a vote to ban the guy, and the majority voted against it, so (ignus) keep your complaints for pms and emails towards the admins instead of cluttering up threads with your griping.

Sure, I'd like the guy banned too, but I'd ban 2/3 of the board, if not more, if I were given the chance so it's not my business.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 18, 2004, 02:42:49 PM
Being offended by a smilie depend on what words are around it...

You can't ban someone just because he doesn't agree with you... even if he post the same thing 5-7 times with just different words but saying the same thing, even if he's wrong. The better way is just to ignore him.

When you try to help someone realize some things and he's too stuborn to open his mind... let it go, it's not worth the time, I tried respect at the begining and it didn't worked, i wasted too much time and it's spamming the board. If we keep replying his posts he will keep posting the same things in different words (even in different language)

   Good luck everyone
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 18, 2004, 03:14:50 PM
Okay, half the shit in here is people complaining about the shit in here. That's even more worthless than the "garbage" being complained about in the first place; it's the trash's trash. So if you aren't talking about the chapter, shut the hell up. As a matter of fact, all the would-be admins that clog threads up with, "This sucks, another insightful post by me who is better than it all" can shut up in general (I'm just as guilty, but this is a current current chapters thread, so let's all stop the complain train for now, wait until the chapter is posted and the thread goes to hell anyway).

Now, to prevent further irony...

"Maybe Farnese is practicing magic?" :)

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 18, 2004, 04:26:04 PM
"Maybe Farnese is practicing magic?" :)

-Griffith

What kind of spell do you think she's learning first ? Offence or defence ? I think it's better for her to learn a barrier or some kind of defence spell because she need it, after all she is Casca's body guard and Farnese have always trouble with attacking (In my opinion...)

Thinking of it.. maybe she is learning to controll her Od or something like that before learning spells..
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: DemonX on April 18, 2004, 05:20:31 PM
What kind of spell do you think she's learning first ? Offence or defence ?

It might be to early to be asking questions like that, like you said, she has to learn how to control the od first. She hasn't even started learning that yet.

However, my guess is that she might learn offence AND defence if you know what i mean. Like when Schierke summoned that goddess in that town to fight the trolls, it kinda created a defensive barrier around the town AND started a flood.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: IgnusDei on April 18, 2004, 05:53:13 PM
actually, she called upon 4 "dieties" for the barrier, and just a regular (albeit powerful) elemental for the flood.




heh, i'm entertaining the possiblity that Farnese might attempt to summon a powerful salamander, screw up, and after a lot of mayhem and destruction might end up a very, VERY unstable pyrokinetic.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 18, 2004, 06:21:18 PM
It might be to early to be asking questions like that, like you said, she has to learn how to control the od first. She hasn't even started learning that yet.

However, my guess is that she might learn offence AND defence if you know what i mean. Like when Schierke summoned that goddess in that town to fight the trolls, it kinda created a defensive barrier around the town AND started a flood.

I don't know how Miura built his Berserk world but if it kinda like D&D i think it will be hard for Farnese to learn both kind at the same time and as powerfull as Schierke's magic. I did't played D&D really but some of my friends did and i looked at the books to understand the game so...  maybe i'm wrong, like you said it's a bit early.. she it's been 1 or 2 days in the story that she asked Schierke and for what we saw last chapter.. it look like she's trying to master her Od..

I want to modify my question : In a not so distant future, what kind of magic will Farnese will learn ? Offensive of defensive ? :P
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: LordofMasks on April 18, 2004, 07:04:03 PM
I don't think Miura buildt up the Story like D&D...so Farnese will develope her self depending if she is like a natural talent to it or not...and to the magic definetly Defensive...she doesnt need to contact to other spirits or forces for it...my guess... 8)

lordofmasks
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: IgnusDei on April 18, 2004, 09:31:53 PM
the AD&D magic system will probably help in classifying the various yet-to-be-seen spells  in Schierke's 500-ish page grimoire. At least in my mind.

Then again, so would detailed writings on the subject at the local library  ::)

Hm, think Farnese will specialize in any particular school of magic? Evocation? Transmutation?


...Necromancy?
 ;D
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: dwarfkicker on April 18, 2004, 09:58:38 PM
Her specialty will be FIRE! :o (been watching Witch Hunter Robin).
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Smoker on April 18, 2004, 11:26:17 PM
One thousand percent agreed with dwarfkicker^^... She LOVES burning people (and animals, and houses, and so on ;D)

Doing some apostles kebab and she'll become famous as "Mamma Farnese"...  :DCome to think of it, Farnese in italian means Blaze, or fire,right?
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 18, 2004, 11:30:52 PM
One thousand percent agreed with dwarfkicker^^... She LOVES burning people (and animals, and houses, and so on ;D)

Doing some apostles kebab and she'll become famous as "Mamma Farnese"...  :DCome to think of it, Farnese in italian means Blaze, or fire,right?


She changed more than a bit since that period of her life...
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Woland on April 18, 2004, 11:34:02 PM
I think she might try to avoid fire for a while, lest she go on a burning spree.

What I'm hoping is that they'll name the kid this chapter.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Trashcan on April 19, 2004, 12:30:06 AM
So, um....any chance Farnese is learning how to summon a familiar? :-[
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Aquedesin on April 19, 2004, 10:15:07 AM
Well I think that since she is very old 'magic-learning-wise' she'd better try learning to feel od and astral being before doing anything. Unlearn what she know... kinda like learning the force, isn't it master yoda?
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: dwarfkicker on April 19, 2004, 09:56:33 PM
Sorry to get off topic but since the other chapter threads are pretty much dead, I got a question about when Guts is eating the stew in chapter 236.  Is he bothered because it actually hurt the wounds in his mouth or was because what Skull Knight said in 237 about losing taste as a side effect of the armor?  Again, sorry for getting off topic here.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Uriel on April 19, 2004, 10:10:22 PM
Serpico: It's been so long since eating seafood so I tried to make a good meal. Did I put too much salt in it?
Guts: No... It was just hitting the wounds in my mouth. This is pretty good.

;)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Olivier Hague on April 19, 2004, 11:23:22 PM
Serpico: It's been so long since eating seafood so I tried to make a good meal. Did I put too much salt in it?
Guts: No... It was just hitting the wounds in my mouth. This is pretty good.
Except he's lying.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 19, 2004, 11:50:06 PM
Exactly, it's the whole point of that scene.

So when Skull Knight confronts him in the next chapter about the side affects of the armor, Guts already has that experience to reference, adding real weight to Skully's words.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: dwarfkicker on April 20, 2004, 12:32:01 AM
Thanks guys.  Back to the topic at hand.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Sparnage on April 20, 2004, 06:46:53 AM
Except he's lying.

His face while he was eating it could have fooled me. I thought Serpico was known for his cooking skills
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: asmer on April 20, 2004, 08:18:13 AM
His face while he was eating it could have fooled me. I thought Serpico was known for his cooking skills

He's lying means he doesn't feel anything in his mouth, not that Serpico's food tastes bad...
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: puella on April 20, 2004, 08:42:22 AM
or maybe even...

19) Puck is a familiar of the Elf King, and their combined powers, along with the power of Heart, will destroy God Hand forever. ^_-

Yeah, yeah! ;D

I like such a look of Guts. Well, what to say,he seems to grow more with his experience?
Ah it could make sense since I saw some people say why only Guts looks a lot older than before while Griffith or Casca look more beautiful and fresh day by day. :D ;D

*** Anyway, I was surprised to find how many locked threads we have in current chapter section. Why it always goes like that? ::)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Uriel on April 20, 2004, 01:06:03 PM
So when Skull Knight confronts him in the next chapter about the side affects of the armor, Guts already has that experience to reference, adding real weight to Skully's words.
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Shit man, you can tell I've been out of it when I neglect to put two and two together  :(
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Sparnage on April 20, 2004, 01:55:49 PM
He's lying means he doesn't feel anything in his mouth, not that Serpico's food tastes bad...

Makes sense, but I hadnt realised he had already reached the point where he can no longer taste food at all though.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: akikaze on April 20, 2004, 02:15:32 PM
Makes sense, but I hadnt realised he had already reached the point where he can no longer taste food at all though.
That's the idea behind the whole scene. It's used to show that he already reached this point.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 20, 2004, 06:06:25 PM


Edit :
1.I'm an dumbass sometimes (about the first part of my post)


2.Moved the other part to speculation nation (about the other part of my post)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: chugoku sensei on April 21, 2004, 04:51:44 AM
So does the berserk armor take away his sensations, or take control of his body? In that way, I guess that berserk armor itself could be the "familiar" in the title.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Olivier Hague on April 21, 2004, 05:14:14 AM
Crocodile-looking monsters attack Guts and the others. Schierke explains they're actual animals turned into "familiars".
She needs some time to summon the four kings. Meanwhile, Guts, Serpico and Isidro fight the familiars.
Next episode in three weeks.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 21, 2004, 05:40:12 AM
Thanks as usual, Mr. Hague.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: nir085 on April 21, 2004, 05:54:37 AM
Thank you!

Looks like we were all wrong on this one. Admittedly, this was the last thing I thought would happen. What I'm wondering is if this chapter is just about fighting possessed animals, or if this chapter is the first step in showing or explaining Ganishka's power (like his crocs)?
And forgive my ignorance, but Schierke summoned Windinu, one of the four kings in Enoch village right? So now she's going to summon all four of them? Are these aquatic fiend really that terrible ???
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: asmer on April 21, 2004, 06:19:37 AM
And forgive my ignorance, but Schierke summoned Windinu, one of the four kings in Enoch village right?
No, Windinu isn't one of the four Kings, just some "spirit" that was worshipped in Enoch long time ago, before the Holy See's religion spread in the country.

So now she's going to summon all four of them? Are these aquatic fiend really that terrible ???
I think the four Kings correspond to her first spell, when a strange Light appeared and burned down every troll that it touched.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Graywords on April 21, 2004, 08:07:17 AM
Looks like we were all wrong on this one.

or...

18) the alligator is a familiar of some wizard, possibly Ganishka.

Well, almost all of us, at least. ^_-

IN YO FACE, FLANDERS!

I wonder why Schierke will even need to do her heavy duty summon magic... I know Guts is still not even close to full health, but... *shrug* Or maybe there's just a whole shitload of gators ^_-
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Mage on April 21, 2004, 09:03:23 AM
Maybe these "familiars" were sent by someone to hunt for the kid?  I wouldn't assume Ganiskha at this point, though.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: asmer on April 21, 2004, 09:06:19 AM
I wonder why Schierke will even need to do her heavy duty summon magic... I know Guts is still not even close to full health, but... *shrug* Or maybe there's just a whole shitload of gators ^_-

I think their number must be the answer, since it's pretty much the same situation as it was in Enoch... The Trolls themselves weren't that strong but the fact they were flooding the Village endlessly made it impossible for Guts (and Serpico) to protect everybody at the same time.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: iggy on April 21, 2004, 10:15:07 AM
Haguetan haa haa.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Walter on April 21, 2004, 12:47:53 PM
Crocodile-looking monsters attack Guts and the others. Schierke explains they're actual animals turned into "familiars".
She needs some time to summon the four kings.

Summoning the 4 Kings again? Over a few croc-men? Overkill...
Those guys (and gal?) are going to get tired of her calling them up everytime..."there's something strange... in the neighborhood..."
(http://www.ghostbustershq.com/tradecards/gb3teaser.jpg)
Wind Elemental = Egon = Void?
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Olivier Hague on April 21, 2004, 01:16:59 PM
Maybe these "familiars" were sent by someone to hunt for the kid?  I wouldn't assume Ganiskha at this point, though.
I don't know if it's relevant, but maybe I should mention the area is surrounded by mist...
(familiars = pishacha?)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Fletch on April 21, 2004, 01:34:55 PM
Quote
Egon = Wind Elemental = Void

Does that make Dana Femto?
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Mage on April 21, 2004, 05:20:03 PM
I don't know if it's relevant, but maybe I should mention the area is surrounded by mist...
(familiars = pishacha?)
Was "pishacha" the term for those croc-men that Ganishka was using?  If so, then I'd start leaning towards Ganiskha with the mist...
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Sparnage on April 21, 2004, 05:54:10 PM
Awwww, we have to wait 3 weeks for chapter 239? That sucks.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: asmer on April 21, 2004, 06:01:36 PM
Awwww, we have to wait 3 weeks for chapter 239? That sucks.

If this Thread is about Episode 239, next Episode should be the 240 if I'm not wrong...
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: dwarfkicker on April 21, 2004, 06:20:28 PM
I can't wait to see Guts in action again.  I want to see how well he handles himself in his current condition.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 21, 2004, 07:02:42 PM
Crocodile-looking monsters attack Guts and the others. Schierke explains they're actual animals turned into "familiars".
She needs some time to summon the four kings. Meanwhile, Guts, Serpico and Isidro fight the familiars.
Next episode in three weeks.
I don't know if it's relevant, but maybe I should mention the area is surrounded by mist...
(familiars = pishacha?)


Looks like we were all wrong on this one. Admittedly, this was the last thing I thought would happen. What I'm wondering is if this chapter is just about fighting possessed animals, or if this chapter is the first step in showing or explaining Ganishka's power (like his crocs)?

Well...


Look at the last page of previous chapter. It is clouds-mist gathering and coming. Something like what Ganishka has created in Midland castle.
And then this crocodile too...
hehe, too much Ganishka
Is he going to spy on Vritannis?



                                         8)


Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 21, 2004, 08:59:04 PM
Xech wins. But Gray had you beat by a post. ;)

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: DemonX on April 22, 2004, 01:51:10 AM
familiars... reminds me of ganks' elephants. This might be proof that there will be a showdown of the kushan and Guts in elfhelm  ;D
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 22, 2004, 03:38:18 AM
familiars... reminds me of ganks' elephants. This might be proof that there will be a showdown of the kushan and Guts in elfhelm  ;D

DemonX Loses.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Freddy C on April 22, 2004, 03:53:50 PM
i think that the monster in the water at the end of chp. 238 was a kelpie, if so, Guts and co are in deep S**t, i mean they are by the sea.

familiar? im not sure what that means, it probably has some really unexpected meaning.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: SKuLL LaRD on April 22, 2004, 03:57:25 PM
familiar? im not sure what that means

IT MEANS TO KNOW SOMETHING WELL!!!1
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 22, 2004, 04:40:27 PM
i think that the monster in the water at the end of chp. 238 was a kelpie, if so, Guts and co are in deep S**t, i mean they are by the sea.

familiar? im not sure what that means, it probably has some really unexpected meaning.

Usually when Olivier tells us what happens in the chapter we stop speculating otherwise...

It's not Kelpies, it's crocodile (I guess alligator if you prefer) familiars. Familiars are usually demons that wizards and the like summon to do their bidding. In this case, and I'm assuming in the case of Ganishka, if there's even a difference, these were at one time real crocodiles that were transformed into demonic familiars using magic.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: dwarfkicker on April 22, 2004, 04:49:54 PM
I wonder if Ganishka is after the kid.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 22, 2004, 05:03:26 PM
Anybody seeing Shilat meeting with Guts before they reach Elfhelm?
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: nir085 on April 22, 2004, 06:21:49 PM
Nah. Eventually perhaps, but he's already caught up in Ganishka and Griffith affairs.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 22, 2004, 07:16:57 PM
Tomorrow will be one of my best days ever. A Berserk chapter release and my last exam.

I have a question about the preview.. someone said it was fire by the window.. i think it's the mist Olivier told us about, am i right ?
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Olivier Hague on April 22, 2004, 07:17:52 PM
I have a question about the preview.. someone said it was fire by the window.. i think it's the mist Olivier told us about, am i right ?
Yes.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 22, 2004, 07:44:17 PM
Nah. Eventually perhaps, but he's already caught up in Ganishka and Griffith affairs.

Who is "he"? Silatt or Guts? =)

If these are indeed Ganishka's familiars, then it's just a hop, skip and a jump to conclude that Silatt is nearby. Perhaps even the intended target of these marauding reptiles. More points for Xechnao.

Anyway, what the hell is the deal with the familiars? We’ll explore this query and other possibilities in a segment I’m calling,

WHO LET THE CROCS OUT!?
There are two answers as I see it at this point:

I. Ganishka!

II. Not Ganishka.

Let's focus on number one first since it's actually tangible.

I. Okay, they're the same crocodile men as the one we saw in the Demon City chapter, belonging to Ganishka. If so, why? Why are they attacking Guts and company? Let's keep in mind while reading the possibilities below, that last we left the big foggy fella, he was short one princess, and nursing a huge pair of God-defying blue balls. So, he's probably super pissed, and possibly a little desperate.

1. Guts and Casca? Does Ganishka know about their connection to Griffith? Other Apostles know that they're Griffith's sacrifices, so he certainly could too. If so, what's he want with them? Does he think he can use them as some kind of leverage; hostages to replace his lost Princess? Or perhaps an alliance among enemies of God; just a friendly meeting at this point?

2. The Child. For some reason, Ganishka and his henchman are after the child. Does it have to do with the child’s strange Od? Does Ganishka think/know there is a connection to God? Or does the kid's spirit simply smell like Griffith's so the crocs are following it? ;D

3. Coincidence. Guts and the gang just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. They are near Vritannis, Ganishka is pissed, and we know he’s not a big fan of Midland’s native Griffith worshipping religion. So is he mounting a full assault, no holds barred, monsters and all, attack on the Holy See & it’s allies, and a few familiars took a wrong turn at Albuquerque and found lunch on the beach? Or, perhaps the Ganish is taking out his anger on Silatt and friends for the failure back in the Captial, and Prince S happens to have fled right near Guts and company with a slew of crocodile assassins on his tail.

There are many other possibilities of course, but let’s leave this for now, and focus on number two.

II. Okay, if it’s not Ganishka or Ganishka related, then I can only conclude that…

(http://www.ghostbustershq.com/tradecards/gb3teaser.jpg)
"there's somethinn' strange... in the neighborhooood..."
 

Another wizard that utilzes mist and crocodiles, I guess? =)

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Uriel on April 22, 2004, 07:59:26 PM
Xech is on the ball. The fact that recently educated Silatt is being persued is a good idea. Maybe we all overlooked how precognitive he really can be :)

or

II.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: IgnusDei on April 22, 2004, 08:40:03 PM
hm, there IS the (remote) possibility that the child is a Daka gone wrong, and Ganishka wants him back for observation.

That said, he could just as well be guts' malformed child as well.

Remember chapter 233? the process of making a Daka involved  corrupting a human foetus with demonic SPIRITS. Assuming that Griffith "kicked out" the Demon Child's spirit out of its body  and right into the spectral realm, it's not impossible that he got caught in the processes of the Daka factory in Windham. Thus he was reborn and promptly pulled a houdini, fully aware that being around a sorcerer like Ganishka would be hazardous to his health.

it's just an idea, so i guess time (and the Hague) will prove me wrong...or right?

 
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on April 22, 2004, 10:15:21 PM
Either that or maybe ganishka is testing Guts to see if he really is powerful enough to maybe form an alliance to kill their "common" enemy. Just my take, but things are getting good. Also, Uriel, good avatar!  ;D
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Aquedesin on April 23, 2004, 08:21:04 AM
Ok, I was already thinking about that one and Grif is just going my way: maybe the kid is indeed Guts and Casca child somehow, and killing it may be a (the?) way to kill Griffith... May explain why crocs are here rather than kelpies... (even if indeed, those really looked like kelpies...)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Smith on April 23, 2004, 10:00:18 AM
Wow... i havent been on board for quite a number of day, my internet was down  :'(

But then thanks as usual Mr Hague... For your short and straightforward summary

And yes i have a feeling that Guts band is gonna meet with Ganishka soon

3. Coincidence. Guts and the gang just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. They are near Vritannis, Ganishka is pissed, and we know he’s not a big fan of Midland’s native Griffith worshipping religion. So is he mounting a full assault, no holds barred, monsters and all, attack on the Holy See & it’s allies, and a few familiars took a wrong turn at Albuquerque and found lunch on the beach? Or, perhaps the Ganish is taking out his anger on Silatt and friends for the failure back in the Captial, and Prince S happens to have fled right near Guts and company with a slew of crocodile assassins on his tail.


If that was the Ganishka crocs we see in 230, then i guess this might be the most possible reason



Before i forget... did the boy show something special?  ;D
Title: scannage
Post by: Bakou on April 23, 2004, 10:06:04 AM
http://war3.dnsalias.com/berserk_vol28_ch239_RAW.zip.torrent

The Thirst Quencher, Gator... blood?  :o
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: akikaze on April 23, 2004, 10:32:36 AM
Downsize that damn Ava :o
Sorry for the Off-Topic, but...MAN!
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 23, 2004, 10:45:21 AM

WHAT A FANTASTIC DEMONSTRATION OF THE NEW CHAPTER. IT MAKES ME LUCKY TO BE AROUND.  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 23, 2004, 10:59:01 AM
Sorry about second posting but the above is dedicated to expressing my enthusiasm.
What I wanted to say is... HOLY JESUS BABY!!!
Have you seen last pic???  :o   :o   Is this TRUE ASTRAL or what?
[size=0.2]P.S. This is the bomb for the wild speculation that is coming [/size]
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 23, 2004, 11:36:52 AM
Nice chapter ! thanks a lot !
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Bakou on April 23, 2004, 11:37:46 AM
downsize my ass, its on the default list!!
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Smith on April 23, 2004, 11:39:17 AM
I cant see anything
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 23, 2004, 11:44:49 AM
Do you have Bit Torrent to download it !?!?




I want that kind of familiar :P
The spell Schierke want to cast is the same she casted on top of the church (like asmer said on page 4 of thing thread)   IF i take Graywords translation by the word... or maybe i dont understand right. She's casting "formation of the four kings" and what make me think it's the same as summoning the 4 spirits is that she mention about not being on holy ground or something..
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Smith on April 23, 2004, 12:04:58 PM
Do you have Bit Torrent to download it !?!?


Oh shit... How can i do that?  :-\
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: *Gyom* on April 23, 2004, 12:10:46 PM
Nice chapter ! Thank you bakou.
It's cool to see Isidro and Serpico in action, they seem to be more self-confident about their abilities. And the baby definitely has something to do with the crocs.

As for you Smith, I believe some one will put a mirro soon, so even if you don't use bit torrent, you may able to see the whole chapter.
Guil
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Smith on April 23, 2004, 12:14:41 PM
As for you Smith, I believe some one will put a mirro soon, so even if you don't use bit torrent, you may able to see the whole chapter.
Guil

I know... but my cable crop up lately and i have difficulty trying to access to the internet


I am accessing this board from someone else computer... see if tml i can use it again, otherwise it may be a long time before i can see the scans again... or i should say a few of them  :'(
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Sparnage on April 23, 2004, 12:24:49 PM
Fuck lately when I try to download something thats a bittorrent it always screws me over with a error message  >:(

Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Uriel on April 23, 2004, 12:26:55 PM
MOTHER MARY!! That was outstanding!! What a trio Guts, Isidro and Serpico make! Never seen them fight quite like that ;D It's good to see Berserk getting back into the double-page slicing scenes. Page 17 will be bookmarked from this day forth ;) Many, many thanks Bakou. And thanks for the compliment, Ouji ^_^

.. KURI YODA IS IN THERE TOO!!! Champion episode!

I'll leave the torrent file up so that people can get a decent seed off me. But as soon as the Naruto 80 torrent is out there, tough shit lads, I'm closing it down ;)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Walter on April 23, 2004, 01:43:37 PM
Great chapter. Lots of old-school ass kicking going on. Poor crocs... At least they're more visually intimidating than the Trolls. I think we can we be relatively certain now that these are of the same breed as the crocs in 230.

And yes, page 17 does indeed rock the hizzouse.

Have you seen last pic???  :o   :o   Is this TRUE ASTRAL or what?
[size=0.2]P.S. This is the bomb for the wild speculation that is coming [/size]
What.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 23, 2004, 01:59:28 PM
What.

HOlY JesUS ! Have you seen the aura around him???  :o
 Kinda reminds me the aura around Griffith back on the hill with Mule. OH!!!  :-*
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Sparnage on April 23, 2004, 03:00:38 PM
Hmm, now guts has one arm using a magnet in order to grab one part of the sword, and the other he has to wrap a bandage around it to make sure he wont let go...

I wonder if he will end up having to find new ways to keep his right hand under control or if it will get better.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: dwarfkicker on April 23, 2004, 04:06:58 PM
I'm willing to bet he will get better.  Schierke said he needed much more rest to recover.  He hasn't allowed himself much time for that.  You just know with Guts in the fight, the next chapter is gonna be a blood bath.  3 weeks never seemed so long.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: akikaze on April 23, 2004, 04:10:07 PM
downsize my ass, its on the default list!!
Am I blind or what? I don't know if it was you, but right above my post there was another one, and that guy had a damn big ava, it filled one third of my screen! That dude probably deleted it right away...nah, whatever...

Regarding the Topic...awesome chapter!:o
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Sparnage on April 23, 2004, 04:23:33 PM
I'm willing to bet he will get better.  Schierke said he needed much more rest to recover.  He hasn't allowed himself much time for that.  You just know with Guts in the fight, the next chapter is gonna be a blood bath.  3 weeks never seemed so long.

Yeah I hope so but his body had still been fairly damaged from when he first put it on including his body weight gone down and all, there is no guarantee that his "dulled" body will return to normal.

Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: roberto999 on April 23, 2004, 05:05:42 PM
Summoning the 4 Kings again? Over a few croc-men? Overkill...

That was exactly what we thought when the four kings were summoned to fight the trolls and... you remember what happened : the four kings were able just to erect a protective barrier around the church (that some trolls did find a way to bypass BTW) the fight did go on for many issues until, at last, the trolls menace was stopped by Schierke and Skully that sealed the Qliphot.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: roberto999 on April 23, 2004, 05:26:08 PM
ooops: I saw just now the  chapter :Thank you bakou.
Mmm... Guts did tie Dragonslayer to his hand.The shaking of his hands has to be worse than we thought
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 23, 2004, 05:46:36 PM
Wow, that was teh awesome. The hand wrap special ala Lost Children, page 17's oldskool kickassitude... oh yeah, and Isidro is now officially a graduate student of badass school. ;D

Thank you, Bakou.

the four kings were able just to erect a protective barrier around the church (that some trolls did find a way to bypass BTW)

Uhh...No? Once the barrier was up, the Trolls were done. Even the Ogre couldn't pass, he just threw projectiles.

the fight did go on for many issues until, at last, the trolls menace was stopped by Schierke and Skully that sealed the Qliphot.

Actually, Guts was responsible for all that. The Qliphoth wasn't sealed by Schierke, it was destroyed alltogether because of Slan's entry and then her exit, care of the big guy. Guts has TEH POWER!

-Griffith

P.S. OMG!! PAGE 19! IZ TEH KID MR.WIZARD-SAN!!!?? ;)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: dwarfkicker on April 23, 2004, 06:00:07 PM
This is for you smith.  At least you can see what everyone else is talking about page 17.
http://www28.brinkster.com/babildo/Berserk/45.jpg
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: kimchan on April 23, 2004, 06:34:59 PM
This is for you smith.  At least you can see what everyone else is talking about page 17.
http://www28.brinkster.com/babildo/Berserk/45.jpg

Link's not working, they don't allow direct linking apparently.


I don't have Bittorrent either...   :'(

EDIT: Thank you Saeki!!!
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Saeki on April 23, 2004, 06:35:13 PM
http://www.hotarubi.net/suavo/berserk/Berserk_vol28_ch239_RAW.zip
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Sparnage on April 23, 2004, 06:48:29 PM
oh yeah, and Isidro is now officially a graduate student of badass school. ;D

Still by far the bottle neck of the 3.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: LordofMasks on April 23, 2004, 07:02:32 PM
Well, it looks like the whole Bunch has been looking to the "Crocodile Hunter Files" :o ;D

Great Chapter...cant wait for the translation... ;D

Does anyone have it allready???
Joke...

lordofmasks
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Olivier Hague on April 23, 2004, 07:45:51 PM
One page is missing, between 13 and 14. ^^;
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: DemonX on April 23, 2004, 07:58:48 PM
Nice chapter. I kinda started to get the idea though that the child is drawing the familiers there or somthing, just by the way the child is looking.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Graywords on April 23, 2004, 08:05:17 PM
One page is missing, between 13 and 14. ^^;

Nobody ever managed to procure the missing page in the last chapter either, did they o.o;

Ah well, I won't complain.  I've already seen 19 more pages than I normally would have, without The Internet and the wonderful help of people like Bakou and Saiya. :D
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: LordofMasks on April 23, 2004, 08:13:56 PM
Which page???? ???
Has someone the page??? ???

And thaks for the Chapter...nice Chapter ;D

lordofmasks
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: psymont on April 23, 2004, 09:05:14 PM
One page is missing, between 13 and 14. ^^;

wouldnt be the first time  ;)

it is so good to see serpico back in action .... he hasnt kicked major ass since the trolls
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 24, 2004, 12:27:22 AM
Still by far the bottle neck of the 3.

Oh really? I thought he had realized his ambition and was a better fighter than Guts now. My bad, he sucks ass.

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/goodblow.jpg)

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Sparnage on April 24, 2004, 01:39:09 AM
And I didnt realise he had graduated from badass school and was now in the same category as the other two. My bad, he isnt basically in the story for comic relief.

                                                    (http://images.google.com.au/images?q=tbn:njBT80QqefYJ:www.dysarranged.com/recordingstudiopics)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 24, 2004, 01:59:46 AM
And I didnt realise he had graduated from badass school and was now in the same category as the other two. My bad, he isnt basically in the story for comic relief.

What?... where did I even come close to implying anything so obtuse? Your response only serves to highlight just how stupid you are to even compare Isidro to Guts & Serpico that way. It's like you're on my side, which would be an awesome trick play on your part since I'm right.  ;)  

When people make observations like, "Between Zodd and Puck, Zodd is still a much better fighter by far" they need to be slapped. And yes, Isidro is a funny character that supplies a majority of the comic relief along with Puck. But, people that don't see past that to the other aspects of his character that Miura has PAINFULLY highlighted in chapters past are morons. Are you a moron Sparnage?

Or would you prefer the term in-duh-vidual?

-Griffith

P.S. GUTZZ ES STRONGER THAN JILL!!!!

Just making sure I'm not the only one who knows it! 8)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Sparnage on April 24, 2004, 02:29:03 AM
I know what you meant, not exactly hard to figure out and it should be clear what I am implying, if not then ill be straight forward;

Unless you were being sarcastic which It didnt seem like, saying that "Isidro graduate student of badass school" is saying he is almost in the same league as them. Of course I didnt realise you would get so defensive otherwise I wouldnt have said anything.

Hmm, I guess you couldnt find any spelling errors to hold against me otherwise im sure you would point one out like for other members you argue with, but there is always the future, at least you managed to get in some good insults.
Moron? In-duh-vidual? Your hurting my feelings over here.  
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 24, 2004, 02:58:27 AM
Unless you were being sarcastic which It didnt seem like, saying that "Isidro graduate student of badass school" is saying he is almost in the same league as them.

Here's where you prove, yet again, you're a dumbass. My statement was an innocent comment on the fact that Isidro has come along way in his fighting abilities. It's another milestone in a sub-plot that's gotten quite bit of ink if you've been paying attention to the story at all for the last four volumes. Sorry you missed it.

Hmm, I guess you couldnt find any spelling errors to hold against me otherwise im sure you would point one out like for other members you argue with, but there is always the future, at least you managed to get in some good insults.
Moron? In-duh-vidual? Your hurting my feelings over here.  

And you're calling me defensive? Was that a compliment?

Look, why should I point out spelling mistakes when your entire statement is stupid? And I actually asked you if you're a moron. So far you have not answered in the negative or said anything to suggest otherwise.

-Griffith

P.S. By request:

Hey Sparnage, have you heard of the apostrophe; it forms possessive nouns and indicates the omission of letters. Start using it. ;)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Sparnage on April 24, 2004, 03:27:29 AM
Here's where you prove, yet again, you're a dumbass. My statement was an innocent comment on the fact that Isidro has come along way in his fighting abilities. It's another milestone in a sub-plot that's gotten quite bit of ink if you've been paying attention to the story at all for the last four volumes. Sorry you missed it.
Yes, I understand that but before things were blown way out of proportion, saying " he is well on his way" is not "he had graduated from badass school". Again even I didnt see this as worth arguing if i knew it would lead to this I wouldnt have bothered but oh well, nothing better to do, and clearly its the same for you.


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And you're calling me defensive? Was that a compliment?
Look, why should I point out spelling mistakes when your entire statement is stupid? And I actually asked you if you're a moron. So far you have not answered in the negative or said anything to suggest otherwise.
It should be obvious that I am not going to even dignify that with an answer. What do you want me to say? "no im not, you are", "no, your a dumbass" or better yet "hey you poo head". in a position like this I wouldnt start such petty insults nor answer them. People here who argue with newbies do that, I expect higher from you.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 24, 2004, 04:09:41 AM
saying " he is well on his way" is not "he had graduated from badass school"

Sorry, I guess I should have known that fighting twenty foot crocodiles isn't "badass" or anything out of the ordinary in Australia.

-Griffith

P.S. I had a "classier" response, but I couldn't resist. ;D

Oh, and I called him a graduate student of badass school to be exact. Meaning he's well on his way. So shut up already, please.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on April 24, 2004, 05:57:37 AM
Thanks for the scans Saeki... That guts... truly a bad mother fucker. But looks like all the gang is refining their fighting skills. That kid smells like trouble.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Smith on April 24, 2004, 11:04:42 AM
Well just look through the scans and i have to say... BADASS!!!!




Ok... but then are they going to break throught the croc armies? Is there anything else coming other than the cro-men?  ::)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Saeki on April 24, 2004, 12:00:45 PM
Thanks for the scans Saeki... That guts... truly a bad mother fucker. But looks like all the gang is refining their fighting skills. That kid smells like trouble.

Thank Bakou.  Not like it really matters who's credited for the scans - we should all thank Miura... Same goes for translations ;o  Nevermind, I don't want to get into copyright law here =PpP
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 24, 2004, 01:00:56 PM
Ok, I've been observing the phases of the moon. Midland castle was attacked 2-3 days ago by Griffith. That means that Ganishka and its crocs can travel propably amazingly fast. If he is going against Vritannis I am afraid Guts and co will have a difficulty finding a boat for sailing to Elfhelm. Unless Ganishka (supposingly that it really is him around) he stops and interacts with Guts and co, things will be desperate for them. That is because if Ganishka's mist and crocs make it to the port, I see the crocs destroying every vessel in the sea plus all the people (I doupt Griffith's army could catch them any time now).
But I believe it could also be very propable what I said above, that is him interacting with Guts and co now, before reaching Vritannis. That is not only because of the brand that seems to attract the apostles-familiars (it seems that on the contrary with ghosts, apostles can locate it, even with the ward and talisman protection ) but also because of Schierke's spell that is going to cast. I then believe that Ganishka will surelly be very interested in our friends.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Smith on April 24, 2004, 04:07:00 PM
That means that Ganishka and its crocs can travel propably amazingly fast. If he is going against Vritannis I am afraid Guts and co will have a difficulty finding a boat for sailing to Elfhelm.


I dun see the point as to why even Ganishka would even bother to leave Midland... it was still his and Griffith had not succeeded in getting back his country, so i think probably he will be still shaking his legs in his throne. Unless you are trying to say in his pursuit for the princess...


And your "amazingly fast" seem to give wrong impression that Ganishka was defeated and was fleeing "amazingly fast" from Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: nir085 on April 24, 2004, 05:12:37 PM
Smith's got a point. It would be really weird for Ganishka to send out crocs after a few wanderers who are moving far away from Midland. Especially after the princess has been captured, a good percentage of his army has been decimated, and he has been humiliated so much. You would think that he would need the crocs anyways. Right now he needs all the freaks he can get. So I'm going to have to hop on the "child summoned the familiars somehow" bandwagon.

But then, if that were true, then it is also strange to note how inactive the child was in the last chapter.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 24, 2004, 05:17:51 PM
Ok, I've been observing the phases of the moon. Midland castle was attacked 2-3 days ago by Griffith.

Or a month earlier? Or at the same time as what we're seeing now?

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Mage on April 24, 2004, 05:43:40 PM
I doubt the kid summoned the crocs, spears and all, since as Schierke said they required a special process to be created to begin with.  I still think they were sent to kill/retrieve him; Guts' party just happened to pick him up coincidentally.  And if Schierke's going to cast the 4 kings for a bunch of crocs, I think we might be seeing something major come along...it'd be pretty anticlimactic otherwise.  Or maybe it'll have some effect on the kid (or vice versa) and do something strange?
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 24, 2004, 05:56:47 PM
Or a month earlier? Or at the same time as what we're seeing now?

-Griffith

If you pay close attention on the page where Zodd holds the bed with Charlotte and flies away you will see that the moon is not full but only 2-3 days before completion.
As far as a month goes I believe we can safelly reject this by judging the situation on Guts' team. Guts for example hasn't healed yet and Schierke has just now shed her tears about Flora.


 Smith and nir085 I think you misunderstood me. I am not saying that Ganishka is leaving Midland, just propablly attacking Vritannis. Remember that forces are gathered there to begin a campaign against the Kushans. If Ganishka may attack Vritannis now with his crocs I believe he could ruin the plans of his enemies, there.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 24, 2004, 07:22:24 PM
If you pay close attention on the page where Zodd holds the bed with Charlotte and flies away you will see that the moon is not full but only 2-3 days before completion.
As far as a month goes I believe we can safelly reject this by judging the situation on Guts' team. Guts for example hasn't healed yet and Schierke has just now shed her tears about Flora.

Yes, but the fact remains that we really have no way to be sure when Griffith attacked Ganishka.

Anyway, I agree that these events probably happened in close proximity together, but I don't see the point of speculating off lunar patterns, timing that's only inferred, and distances we don't know at all, especially when you consider travel by sea. What do we learn; crocs be fast?

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: kkempter on April 24, 2004, 07:43:09 PM
i wonder if anything cool will happen to the kid when the 4 kings is cast....
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 24, 2004, 08:04:32 PM
Yes, but the fact remains that we really have no way to be sure when Griffith attacked Ganishka.

Well, 2-3 days before present time story. Quite sure no more than 4 days at max I'ld say (judging always on the moon's phase).

Anyway, I agree that these events probably happened in close proximity together, but I don't see the point of speculating off lunar patterns, timing that's only inferred, and distances we don't know at all, especially when you consider travel by sea. What do we learn; crocs be fast?

-Griffith

Not necessarily. Ganishka could have order his crocs forward before Griffith attacked the castle. We don't know about this for sure. But in the case he did sent them afterwards (which IMHO is the most plausible case since Miura didn't gave us a clue about it when Griffith was attacking him) -other than the crocs fast swim abilities which are obvious- we could have a clue of the geography of the area: Midland castle (hence by a river) should be very near the ocean coast and that point shouldn't be far from Vritannis, by boat at least.
 Anyway, what we do learn more certainly is that Ganishka is a badass, able to sent his mist almost wherever he wishes, seeing and perceiving and also controlling his familiars from a distance. You' ve really got here a version of your legendary arabian style high-power wizard such as the egyptian king at the times of Alexander the Great or the jinn of the lamp and it's wizard master of the Aladin tale.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 24, 2004, 10:04:40 PM
Well, 2-3 days before present time story. Quite sure no more than 4 days at max I'ld say (judging always on the moon's phase)

...

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 24, 2004, 10:44:30 PM
...

-Griffith

What? English sucks? Anyway, here is the pic for your reference

http://skullknight.net/majin/c235/18.jpg

check out that is not full yet, just a couple of days to completion
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Serpico on April 25, 2004, 12:06:08 AM
ehh sorry, I didn't read this whole thread but, this chapter was F###ing awesome.

I got to agree with Griffith, Isidro is badass. His moves are just fucking sweet. Almost as good to to watch as Guts. Serpico too, hehe when he opens his evil eye under the full moon, its good stuff. He is getting way more badass all the time. I can't wait for him to get a solo battle with someone. Preferably the apostle archer. But I would like to see him and Griffith go at it by some chance, although this would be years away and probably mean Serpico's death. Still it would be an awesome fight. Somehow Guts and Griffith dont match up that well to me for fighting.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: miurafan on April 25, 2004, 01:10:38 AM
As always, much appreciation to those who scan/upload/translate these chapters so quickly.

I really enjoyed the chapter. I'm hoping it's Ganishka behind all this, because that'll mean he'll give Griffith a run for his money (I hope.)

Also enjoyed seeing Guts, Serpico, and Isidro fighting together. A mismatched group, but one that works well together.

Guts' cloak is looking like a big furry tail. Kinda creepy.

Agreeing with a few others that Isidro is maturing. He's sill mostly comic relief, but I've been liking him quite a lot in these past few books.

Good to see Serpico do something besides cook. An interesting look for him. He's picking up this magic stuff quickly. I wonder if it will have side-effects, since magic stuff can be tricky.

Sometimes Serpico reminds me of Griffith, beyond being just blond, slight, and pretty. Maybe it's the scariness under the surface. Or maybe it's because they both have a flying thing going on.

I'm very curious to see where this is all headed. It amazes me that Miura can write this story and these characters for so long and still keep the interest going, still spring surprises, and keep the characters growing and changing.

Sorry. Just had to do a little Miura gushing there...
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 25, 2004, 02:45:25 AM
What? English sucks?

It's not the language that left me speechless.

Anyway, here is the pic for your reference

http://skullknight.net/majin/c235/18.jpg

check out that is not full yet, just a couple of days to completion

Obviously.

-Griffith

P.S. I hear wheels spinning but not going anywhere.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Smith on April 25, 2004, 05:26:01 AM
I wonder if those crocs men were sent to kill/capture the boy... Somehow they are here not because of Guts but it was for the boy...



And if those were Gank troop then i speculation he may have some interest on the boy as well...


Damn!!! There is still much to be uncovered
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Strife on April 25, 2004, 06:23:27 AM
Great chapter but I am still waiting to see what Guts can do in his new armor when he is fully rested up.  I definetly won't complain about all the great action lately though :)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: roberto999 on April 25, 2004, 09:47:12 AM


Once the barrier was up, the Trolls were done.

 Even those in the church and those that climbed on the roof ?
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Ogre couldn't pass, he just threw projectiles.
and that way he could have destroyed the church if  Guts had not challenged him
 
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Actually, Guts was responsible for all that. The Qliphoth wasn't sealed by Schierke, it was destroyed alltogether because of Slan's entry and then her exit, care of the big guy. Guts has TEH POWER!

Strange I was under the impression that it was Skully beherit-powered sword that did the deed
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: akikaze on April 25, 2004, 10:12:31 AM

 Even those in the church and those that climbed on the roof ?
Yes...you read it, didn't you? They perished in front of everyone's eyes...
and that way he could have destroyed the church if  Guts had not challenged him
So what...what do you want to say? He still couldn't pass the barrier.
Strange I was under the impression that it was Skully beherit-powered sword that did the deed
They escaped with the sword...
The cave "existed" because Slan was present, it went back to normal reality when she left.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: roberto999 on April 25, 2004, 03:46:34 PM
Yes...you read it, didn't you? They perished in front of everyone's eyes...
Yes that is true for the ones on the roof (I forgot)
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So what...what do you want to say? He still couldn't pass the barrier.

And the barrier continued to be unable to stop projectile weapons, that is its weak point (and the crocs know like to throw)
Quote
The cave "existed" because Slan was present, it went back to normal reality when she left.
The cave (and everything in it) exited before Slan appeared (and continued to exit after she left)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: xechnao on April 25, 2004, 04:10:34 PM
I am curious if the four kings will let the mist inside or limit it ouside.
I am also curious to see what effect it will have on crocs. Will they turn back on their original material substance or will they vanish completely just like the trolls in scores of light?
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 25, 2004, 04:47:27 PM
Even those in the church and those that climbed on the roof ?

That was before the Four Kings were summoned. They all melted and burned after that.

and that way he could have destroyed the church if  Guts had not challenged him

Or bullseyed Schierke with a big rock. ;D
But I never denied the danger the Ogre was, just that even he could not pass the barrier, let alone any trolls.

Strange I was under the impression that it was Skully beherit-powered sword that did the deed

The place was going to destroy itself anyway at that point, with them inside, that's why Skully had to pull out his secret weapon. And now that I think about it, even though it was unstable and callapsing on itself, Skully did finally flush it" with the sword. So, you're right, it was both Guts and Skully, but it was Schierke that did nothing (though she saved the innocent townspeople, yay!). ;D

I am curious if the four kings will let the mist inside or limit it ouside.
I am also curious to see what effect it will have on crocs. Will they turn back on their original material substance or will they vanish completely just like the trolls in scores of light?

That will be interesting to see. I'm also curious to see the effect of it on our mystery child, if any, as others have said. As for the crocs... it's Miura, you have to vote for the grossest death possible. I say they start burning/melting, then they explode. ;D

Anyone else concerned that maybe the crocs aren't going to be as big a problem as Guts is? If he gets in trouble and maybe frustrated out there, like a croc tail in the back, guess who's coming to dinner...

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Fishbomb on April 25, 2004, 04:55:10 PM
Got to love torrent... *shakes head*

3 hours and 46 minutes to download a chapter.

And that is unless it bugs before then.

Could anyone please be so kind as to host it on a normal site or anything? Like I have said before. torrent seem to be loved by many, but over here in sweden it just doesn't work. At all.

Thanks a lot in advance *smiles*
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 25, 2004, 05:06:57 PM
http://www.hotarubi.net/suavo/berserk/Berserk_vol28_ch239_RAW.zip

 >:( ::) UGH!!!! ::)  >:(    


-Griffith

P.S. Kidding. ;D

I'll put that in the first post as Saiya's rules (if it hasn't been done already).
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: dwarfkicker on April 25, 2004, 05:32:24 PM
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Anyone else concerned that maybe the crocs aren't going to be as big a problem as Guts is? If he gets in trouble and maybe frustrated out there, like a croc tail in the back, guess who's coming to dinner...

I can see something like that happening.  I don't think we'll see the beast take hold of him.  But I think we'll see it attempt to take control.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Fishbomb on April 25, 2004, 06:42:32 PM
>:( ::) UGH!!!! ::)  >:(    


-Griffith

P.S. Kidding. ;D

I'll put that in the first post as Saiya's rules (if it hasn't been done already).


*grins* yeah. I'm blind *smiles* Sorry 'bout that.

I just assumed that since it wasn't in the first post, nobody had put it on anything but torrent yet.

I just didn't read every post since most the pages seemed to be of guys arguing with each other.

And I was late for watching Sweden/Japan in the hockey world championship...

*grins* weird things I tell you....
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: MarkedSwordsman on April 25, 2004, 06:57:56 PM
Page 17 made my week. Kthxbye
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Walter on April 25, 2004, 08:39:27 PM
As for the crocs... it's Miura, you have to vote for the grossest death possible. I say they start burning/melting, then they explode. ;D
Nah, they'll turn inside out, then their internal organs will explode as they're absorbed into the Abyss... I wonder if Miura has a girlfriend?
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Anyone else concerned that maybe the crocs aren't going to be as big a problem as Guts is? If he gets in trouble and maybe frustrated out there, like a croc tail in the back, guess who's coming to dinner...

-Griffith
Agreed.  But what's really on my mind is if Schierke has taken into account Berserk's Armor's affinity with the 4 Kings. Maybe they're not huge fans of Dwarven magic and won't let Guts into their Kool King Klubhouse barrier.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: theblakeman on April 25, 2004, 11:13:14 PM
Ho-hum chapter, just one of those in-between the great chapters to get the ball rolling for something big.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 25, 2004, 11:40:01 PM
Ho-hum chapter, just one of those in-between the great chapters to get the ball rolling for something big.

That's pretty deep, blakeman.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: theblakeman on April 26, 2004, 12:30:00 AM
Well, this really was a transition chapter, nothing to ejaculate over. The whole Serpico thing was cool though.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: secilj on April 26, 2004, 04:37:27 AM
One page is missing, between 13 and 14. ^^;

Could someone post up the missing page, please? :)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 26, 2004, 06:45:49 AM
Could someone post up the missing page, please? :)

Sure, here you go:
(http://skullknight.net/griffith/1.jpg)
(http://skullknight.net/griffith/2.jpg)
(http://skullknight.net/griffith/3.jpg)
(http://skullknight.net/griffith/4.jpg)
(http://skullknight.net/griffith/5.jpg)
(http://skullknight.net/griffith/6.jpg)
(http://skullknight.net/griffith/7.jpg)
(http://skullknight.net/griffith/8.jpg)
(http://skullknight.net/griffith/9.jpg)

Hope that clears things up.

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Nomad on April 26, 2004, 06:52:51 AM
lolololol!!!!...
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Sparnage on April 26, 2004, 06:55:26 AM
Casca's face is priceless.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: nir085 on April 26, 2004, 07:07:20 AM
I doubt the kid summoned the crocs, spears and all, since as Schierke said they required a special process to be created to begin with.  I still think they were sent to kill/retrieve him; Guts' party just happened to pick him up coincidentally.  And if Schierke's going to cast the 4 kings for a bunch of crocs, I think we might be seeing something major come along...it'd be pretty anticlimactic otherwise.  Or maybe it'll have some effect on the kid (or vice versa) and do something strange?
(this is kind of late but) I didn't mean the kid summoned the crocs in that way. I simply meant he was the reason the crocs cared about attacking Guts party. The reason I'm saying this, and this is kind of a silly reason, is because of the last panel. Most of the chapter consists of bloodshed with no plot hints given as to why the crocs are attacking them in the first place. But the last thing we see in the chapter is the kid's look. I felt like that was meant to foreshadow something. Either the kid knows he is the reason for the attack, the kid is reminded of something, or the kid is contemplating whether or not he should attack the crocs, in attempt to protect Guts like he [if that was him] did in the past. That's my impression anyways. I kind of feel like I'm stating the obvious by having just said that, but no one else said it, so oh well.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: secilj on April 26, 2004, 08:19:56 AM
Sure, here you go:
(http://skullknight.net/griffith/1.jpg)
(http://skullknight.net/griffith/2.jpg)
(http://skullknight.net/griffith/3.jpg)
(http://skullknight.net/griffith/4.jpg)
(http://skullknight.net/griffith/5.jpg)
(http://skullknight.net/griffith/6.jpg)
(http://skullknight.net/griffith/7.jpg)
(http://skullknight.net/griffith/8.jpg)
(http://skullknight.net/griffith/9.jpg)

Hope that clears things up.

-Griffith

Quite cute.  ;D But it would be cuter with the original page compared.  :P
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Smith on April 26, 2004, 09:22:04 AM
I'm also curious to see the effect of it on our mystery child, if any, as others have said. -Griffith



He will start to burn and melt as well?  ::)



Or maybe the four king will bow before him and the summoner is the kid not Schierke!  ;D
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: ttt2282000 on April 26, 2004, 10:12:15 AM
 ;)Hey ,it's my first time here. so I just want to say "hello" to all of you. ;)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: LordofMasks on April 26, 2004, 10:19:08 AM
;)Hey ,it's my first time here. so I just want to say "hello" to all of you. ;)

Hi to you... ;D

By the way Griffith...nice drawings...maybe you could give us a preview from Chapter 240... :P

lordofmasks
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 26, 2004, 01:41:20 PM
Yeah, but I'd need a summary first. And do we really need to see the missing page from this chapter? It's just going to be Serpico after thoughts on flying/moon and Isidro preparing to kill that gator. I don't really NEED to see him throw the damn thing at the croc since I saw it him him. I much rather see the page from last chapter, pls. :)

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: dwarfkicker on April 26, 2004, 02:30:51 PM
Not to be an ass or anything, but how come these pages weren't scanned to begin with?
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 26, 2004, 02:51:37 PM
Not to be an ass or anything, but how come these pages weren't scanned to begin with?

Think of it like a REALLY, REALLY awesome, advanced preview. You'll have to buy the volume to see the other 5% though. =)

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 26, 2004, 08:24:41 PM
Not to be an ass or anything, but how come these pages weren't scanned to begin with?
Walter explained this in the previous chapter thread... I would like so much to see the 2 missing pages but i understand the reason why sometime there's a missing page.. let's hope there won't be a missing page in every incoming chapters...
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: SaiyajinNoOuji on April 26, 2004, 09:30:49 PM
Well I suppose this is a sign. Sorry new scanners, your good but... you just cant quite deliver all the goods. So I guess it time for me to get off my lazy ass and scan again. Meh.  :-*
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: dwarfkicker on April 26, 2004, 10:26:02 PM
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Think of it like a REALLY, REALLY awesome, advanced preview. You'll have to buy the volume to see the other 5% though. =)
Thanks Grif.  I wasn't sure if that was the case or not.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Shurikn on April 27, 2004, 02:20:20 AM
Well I suppose this is a sign. Sorry new scanners, your good but... you just cant quite deliver all the goods. So I guess it time for me to get off my lazy ass and scan again. Meh.  :-*
They are too fast :P hehehehe i think no one died waiting when it was you scanning, we already waited for 2 weeks or more between the chapters so 2-3 days won't kill us if it's to have every pages.... you always did a good job in my opinion, i'm not saying the new ones are bad tho..
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: ZoddGuts on April 27, 2004, 05:03:15 AM
Well I suppose this is a sign. Sorry new scanners, your good but... you just cant quite deliver all the goods. So I guess it time for me to get off my lazy ass and scan again. Meh.  :-*

Will you be scanning this chapter or the next one? The reason I ask this is because I'm having problems trying to see this chapter. First it was because I had to download a free version of winzip but when I finally downloaded all of ch 239 it wouldn't show an image. Something about "This program is needed for opening  files of the "JPEG" Image"

The way you did it to see the scans it work fine on my computer. If your not scanning this chapter then that's okay I'll go to my frinds house and it probably work fine downloading the winzip format, well hopefully. :-\
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Smith on April 27, 2004, 06:31:00 AM
Well Saiya thanks again... when u finish though u can put it in the first post of this thread...
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Griffith on April 27, 2004, 07:30:16 AM
Well Saiya thanks again... when u finish though u can put it in the first post of this thread...

I guess he would do that since it was his idea in the first place. :)

-Griffith
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Judo on April 27, 2004, 11:22:43 AM
@ZODDGUTS
http://www.people.freenet.de/PandorasBox/b01.jpg
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: ZoddGuts on April 27, 2004, 05:53:00 PM
@ZODDGUTS
http://www.people.freenet.de/PandorasBox/b01.jpg

Woot thanks,mucho gracias.  :)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: roberto999 on April 27, 2004, 10:22:57 PM
Will you be scanning this chapter or the next one? The reason I ask this is because I'm having problems trying to see this chapter. First it was because I had to download a free version of winzip but when I finally downloaded all of ch 239 it wouldn't show an image. Something about "This program is needed for opening  files of the "JPEG" Image"

Maybe you have not BitTorrent installed on your computer ? If so you can  download the program that you need  here :
BitTorrent (http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/download.html)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: ZoddGuts on April 27, 2004, 11:28:27 PM
Maybe you have not BitTorrent installed on your computer ? If so you can  download the program that you need  here :
BitTorrent (http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/download.html)


Nope it's not that. I've already downloaded that program. The problem I had was probably due to software image problems that my computer didn't have. My computer is so old that Dinosaurs were using it one million years ago. :-[

Edit- Did anyone notice the Yoda reference from Star Wars in pg.15 by puck when puck was speaking to Isidro. :D
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: chugoku sensei on April 28, 2004, 03:37:49 AM
Did anyone notice the Yoda reference from Star Wars in pg.15 by puck when puck was speaking to Isidro. :D
That was really funny.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: ZoddGuts on April 28, 2004, 04:09:26 AM
That was really funny.

It was as if Isidro used the "force" which made Master Yoda Puck very happy on how much his Jedi apprentince has imporved.  ;D   8)
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Sparnage on April 28, 2004, 04:14:14 AM
Apparently Miura is a fan of Star wars so its no surprise to see something like that in Berserk.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Walter on April 28, 2004, 11:59:49 AM
Apparently Miura is a fan of Star wars ...
It's certainly not the first.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: dwarfkicker on April 28, 2004, 02:23:20 PM
When was the other time?  I'd like to go back and check that out.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: ZoddGuts on April 28, 2004, 04:28:57 PM
Sure he is... ;D
Hey Guys, does someone have the translation of the Chapter??? ???

lordofmasks


Your joking right?  ???

Well if your not joking than here's the place your suppose to look at for the translation
http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/index.php?board=21;action=display;threadid=3014
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Bakou on April 28, 2004, 06:59:46 PM
Well I suppose this is a sign. Sorry new scanners, your good but... you just cant quite deliver all the goods. So I guess it time for me to get off my lazy ass and scan again. Meh.  :-*

heh by all means go for it I'd like to see these missing pages as much as anyone (damn missing one in 2 chapters..?!) Anyway, something you should probably known about 'my scans', they aren't really my scans at all, nor do I live in Japan.  The guy who scans them is some random Japanese guy who couldn't give a shit wether berserk ever gets translated to english or not, so I just realized I could speed up the process of translation (thanks translators!) a bit by downloading and distroing them here as fast as I possibly can.  Sorry about not realizing I was missing pages at all  ??? but I'm sure you guys can deal and Saiya looks to be on it :D
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: LordofMasks on April 28, 2004, 08:03:22 PM
Your joking right?  ???

Well if your not joking than here's the place your suppose to look at for the translation
http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/index.php?board=21;action=display;threadid=3014

No I wasnt...I always forget that link... :P
Thanks anyway...will add it to favorits... ;D

lordofmasks
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Cronus on May 04, 2004, 01:35:18 AM
They're not Midland forces.

Goddamn it's awesome when Olivier has to say this exact phrase THREE TIMES in one thread.  I'm lovin' it.  Like McDonald's.
Title: Re:Episode 239
Post by: Eddie on May 04, 2004, 01:37:05 AM
Are they midland forces??