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Title: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Walter on April 26, 2004, 01:25:09 PM
Just shy of a week's worth of work and the revised Timeline is now complete.  It's condensed far more than the previous piece of shit. (http://skullknight.net/faq/section4.html)

The revised Timeline. (http://skullknight.net/encyclopedia/world/timeline/index.html)

Questions, comments, additions are all welcome.
Title: Re:Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Hell on April 26, 2004, 01:39:40 PM
Simply great, good job  ;D
Title: Re:Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: asmer on April 26, 2004, 03:51:51 PM
Wow, very nice!  :o

I have two comments:
1) If you're interested, I have done this image for the DC Game, resized with the official Timeline Size:
(http://mapage.noos.fr/b.astier/DC2.jpg)
But I wasn't really able to color it the way you did...  :-[
(http://mapage.noos.fr/b.astier/DC1.jpg)

2) As far as I'm concerned, I think the years system is not the most easily understandable. For example the transition between year (-3) and year (-2), I somehow think that you don't realize that a year has passed between the Duel and Guts' return?!? So I think maybe you could put slightly different colors to differentiate the different years, and then center the "date". I did some ->sketch<-  (http://mapage.noos.fr/b.astier/berserk/SK/index.htm) to show you what I mean. But maybe it is clear enough already, I don't know, I am not very satisfied of this method as well...  :-\ Maybe in fact it's better to leave the year where it is, but just change a bit the color, because when there is more than two images during a year, you don't have the "date" displayed on-screen when the transition between two years occurs. Anyway, this sitaution occurs only one or two time so it's not very important. However I hope the main idea of what I wanted to say is somehow understandable.  ::)
Title: Re:Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Walter on April 26, 2004, 06:11:13 PM
1) If you're interested, I have done this image for the DC Game, resized with the official Timeline Size:
Thanks but, I'm going to keep looking for the best image for the game, no offense.
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2) As far as I'm concerned, I think the years system is not the most easily understandable ... when there is more than two images during a year, you don't have the "date" displayed on-screen when the transition between two years occurs.
The timeline isn't so much for understanding the present as it is the past. And I will not impose an arbitrary time (Jan-Mar, Year 0, for example) until Miura makes it explicitly clear (as he has before) there is a jump. There really isn't much of a case for arguing that current events seeming to jumble together in the year "0" until he does so.
Title: Re:Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Cronus on April 27, 2004, 03:58:17 AM
Well, I've already commented on it (excellent), but I noticed an error in your CSS code (didn't say so because you'd make fun of me for using ALTERNATIVE WEB BROWSERS  ;) )

In all of the rules, you have position: center which isn't the correct usage, since position is used to determine where the box elements and formatting go.  This causes the text to jumble up later down the line.  Change the position to text-align, refresh the page, and it's perfect.

And CSS compliant.  ;D

edit: Also, put a left-margin and right-margin of about .25em, that way the content doesn't feel so condensed.
Title: Re:Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: asmer on April 27, 2004, 07:58:30 AM
Thanks but, I'm going to keep looking for the best image for the game, no offense.
No problem, I'll try to find this best image, too. ;D

The timeline isn't so much for understanding the present as it is the past. And I will not impose an arbitrary time (Jan-Mar, Year 0, for example) until Miura makes it explicitly clear (as he has before) there is a jump. There really isn't much of a case for arguing that current events seeming to jumble together in the year "0" until he does so.
Alright then, I must agree that anyway Miura is pretty "vague" on the details of the timing of the events. So I guess trying to be totally clear on the "dates" is indeed not really necessary. ::)
Title: Re:Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Trench on April 30, 2004, 11:23:51 PM
Great Job!
Title: Re:Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: medievald00d on April 30, 2004, 11:28:20 PM
I'm curious. Should year 0 be when griffith is reincarnated or when he becomes godhand?
Title: Re:Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Walter on May 02, 2004, 12:14:58 AM
I'm curious. Should year 0 be when griffith is reincarnated or when he becomes godhand?
Reincarnated, as it says in the timeline.
Title: Re:Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Smith on May 02, 2004, 01:47:09 PM
Reincarnated, as it says in the timeline.


Look like i should PM you regarding the updates
Title: Re:Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Walter on May 03, 2004, 02:08:39 AM
Look like i should PM you regarding the updates
Yeah. Thanks for reminding me to update the useless news secton on the front page. Really.
Title: Re:Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Smith on May 03, 2004, 09:11:52 AM
Yeah. Thanks for reminding me to update the useless news secton on the front page. Really.

Well it is nothing, but just a bit old that why i remind you, look like you are busy recently  :P
Title: Re:Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Cronus on May 06, 2004, 02:34:35 AM
http://www.darktitan.net/bullshit/sk/timeline.php

The timeline, done in PHP/MySQL.

There's no formatting on it, but it would be easy to add your CSS later.

I did this in about 10 minutes (mostly debugging HTML output), and if you wanted to use it, I could make a small front end for adding/modifying the data.

Enjoy :)
Title: Re:Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: DemonX on May 08, 2004, 01:46:49 PM
http://www.darktitan.net/bullshit/sk/timeline.php

The timeline, done in PHP/MySQL.

There's no formatting on it, but it would be easy to add your CSS later.

I did this in about 10 minutes (mostly debugging HTML output), and if you wanted to use it, I could make a small front end for adding/modifying the data.

Enjoy :)

Simply amazing
Title: Re:Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Nomad on May 08, 2004, 11:38:27 PM
so far so good Walter... 8)
Title: Re:Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Walter on May 09, 2004, 05:57:32 PM
Simply amazing
It is indeed very impressive if you understand the potential of PHP. I pray you're not being sarcastic, as I have a strong feeling you are...
Title: Re:Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Cronus on May 09, 2004, 09:19:49 PM
Fuck him if he is.  Like I said, that took minutes to put together.
Title: Re:Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: DemonX on May 09, 2004, 10:18:07 PM
Nono, no sarcasim. Besides, its more then i could ever do with a webpage...
Title: Re: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Zexito on August 17, 2004, 04:16:36 PM
reading this timeline reminds me of all the things still uncertain about berserk...ah well

still, it's great work! congratulations Walter!
Title: Re: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Jon Schaffer on August 25, 2004, 10:34:50 PM
If I knew how to use flash I'd remake it. I hope you don't hate flash though or I'm dead.  :P
Title: Re: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Walter on August 29, 2004, 08:06:53 PM
If I knew how to use flash I'd remake it.
Uh, what's wrong with it?
Title: Re: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Jon Schaffer on August 29, 2004, 10:19:28 PM

Uh, what's wrong with it?
Don't get me wrong, its awesome. You did a damn good job. I just meant like one that scrolls in the flash player and when you select and event it gives much more detail. But you can leave it, I still marvel at the great job you did.
Title: Re: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Aazealh on March 03, 2005, 08:42:42 PM
Looks like the Encyclopedia's Timeline has been inspiring some people: Berserk Official Corner: Section 5 (http://www.younganimal.com/berserk/world/section5_02.html).
Title: Re: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: TheSkyTraveller on March 03, 2005, 08:56:51 PM
I was there earlier today and noticed that, too.  I can't really read much but the setup looked really similar to Walter's.
Title: Re: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Walter on March 03, 2005, 08:58:55 PM
Nah, I stole it from Skully. He'd be proud =).  The oooooold (~1999) timeline can be viewed here, but I really don't recommend it.

http://skullknight.net/bsom/misc_files/timeline.html
Title: Re: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Walter on October 14, 2008, 05:56:30 PM
Updated the timeline quite a bit with current events. It was about 3 years backlogged since the last update. Thinking about changing all the wacky, arbitrary colors of the images to grayscale, or maybe a sepia hue or something. Anything less jarring than HOT PINK or HOT GAY PURPLE. Thoughts?

http://skullknight.net/encyclopedia/world/timeline/timeline.html
Title: Re: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Jaze1618 on October 14, 2008, 06:56:25 PM

Ok sorry if this is "by design," as I can hardly imagine someone hasn't pointed this out sooner, but I'm stumped if it was intentional as I can't figure out why it would be. Please help me understand.

1) The timeline shows that Slan was born 216 years  and that Ubik was born 352 years before the reincarnation. Making them only 136 years apart. Isn't a new Godhand born every 216 years?

2) If a new god hand is born every 216 years, and griffith being born as femto is slated to happen 2 years before the reincarnation, shouldnt slan be born 216 years before that, putting her at 218 years before the reincarnation? And the same for the rest of the Godhand? Sorry to be nitpicky. In the event that someone had not said this before I wanted to mention it.
Title: Re: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Walter on October 14, 2008, 07:52:53 PM
First off you're right about Ubik's date being too early in the timeline. But the reason it's so off here is because there's an 80-year discrepancy in the timeline if you do the 216 thing x5. It adds to 1080, which is 80 years off from what we know of Gaiseric's empire and the 1000-year reincarnation ceremony. Maybe in the astral world, it's 1000 years, give or take 100? :void:

But yeah, I'll "fix" the dates to make them more straightforward/correct.

As for the 2+ year thing, it's something I noticed just today and I've already begun implementing, by adding a few years to the Midland/Tudor 100 years war. I'll make sure the rest of the math pans out for others too. But thanks!
Title: Re: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Aazealh on October 15, 2008, 11:33:46 AM
First off you're right about Ubik's date being too early in the timeline. But the reason it's so off here is because there's an 80-year discrepancy in the timeline if you do the 216 thing x5. It adds to 1080, which is 80 years off from what we know of Gaiseric's empire and the 1000-year reincarnation ceremony. Maybe in the astral world, it's 1000 years, give or take 100? :void:

But only 4 members of the God Hand preceded Femto, so it should be 216 x 4 = 864. The downfall of Gaiseric's capital city isn't necessarily related to them. :void:

Anyway, I still think we should get rid of Griffith's age, especially for years "-12", "-10" and "-8(?)". In fact, I don't think it's wise to try to pinpoint when those events took place by grouping them with events in Guts' life, so I'd get rid of them or at least degroup them (make -12 and -10 standalone Griffith entries like -8) and add a (?) for all 3.
Title: Re: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: m on October 15, 2008, 03:12:11 PM
I was reading the timeline (it's been a few years since I last read it) and I noticed that between year -2 and year -1 there's an entry mentioning Wyald. It says:

Encounters the Apostle Wild. Is "rescued" by Zodd.

I just mention this for consistency's sake since the name in the glossary is Wyald.

Title: Re: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Aazealh on October 15, 2008, 03:13:52 PM
I was reading the timeline (it's been a few years since I last read it) and I noticed that between year -2 and year -1 there's an entry mentioning Wyald and Zodd's meeting. It says:

Encounters the Apostle Wild. Is "rescued" by Zodd.

I just mention this for consistency's sake since the name in the glossary is Wyald.

Ah yeah, good point, I forgot to mention that. There are a few other names that need to be changed as well, like "Godo" > "Godot".
Title: Re: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: einherjar on November 06, 2008, 06:34:22 PM
Whoah... I just noticed the DC game on the timeline... Did it really happen after Griffith's reincarnation?
Title: Re: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: Walter on November 06, 2008, 06:35:54 PM
Whoah... I just noticed the DC game on the timeline... Did it really happen after Griffith's reincarnation?
Most definitely. Guts had Casca with him in the DC game, remember? He didn't find her before the events at Albion.

Furthermore, when the original ep was published, I think it was ep 184, there was a little text box near the front of the ep that said "events of the dream cast game occur during this portion" as it showed that city being invaded by the Kushans.
Title: Re: Secret Project Episode III: Timeline
Post by: einherjar on November 06, 2008, 06:36:49 PM
Most definitely. Guts had Casca with him in the DC game, remember? He didn't find her before the events at Albion.

Right right right... And Zodd has only one horn...