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Title: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: IsolatioN on March 20, 2006, 04:16:05 AM
Ok, decided to make a matching thread for the "saddest moment in Berserk?" topic :)

What do you guys think is/was the happiest moment in Berserk? Doesn't need to be for Guts, but just a moment when all the worries seemed to be gone. Now I know Berserk definitely isn't a happy manga,  but actually rather dark, but it does have it's happy moments for the character.

I would have to say my happiest moment in Berserk would be right after they rescue Griffith, in volume 12. When all the remaining Hawks come up and want to follow Guts, want him to command them. How they said things like "If I'm with you, I know I'll scrape by!" and comments of that nature, and how Guts was sort of surprised, and gladdened, and he seemed happy for once. That moment actually lifted my own spirits while reading it, before they came crashing down in the very next volume...

So, what do you all think? (please try to refrain from saying an entire arc as the "happiest" but rather label a specific moment. We all know that pre-eclipse was most likely a much more pleasent time for Guts and the other characters ;) )
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Rhombaad on March 20, 2006, 05:19:10 AM
Although not all worries were past, the happiest moment in Berserk for me was after Guts and Casca hooked up a year after he left the Band of the Hawk.  At that moment the two of them shed off their troubles and were there only for each other.  The panel where Casca is falling towards Guts who is turned away from her is one of my favorites. :serpico:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Proj2501 on March 20, 2006, 05:25:49 AM
I think the moment I'll mention is the 'happiest' but it made me feel really good for Guts....the moment I mention is when he suddenly realizes he has comrades again. Kinda like when you are young (well kinda for me) having no friends at one time, then a group of close friends you can rely on. Yay for Guts!  :judo:

This is the scene (http://aazealh.nerim.net/Divers/Nakama2.jpg)
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: osca on March 20, 2006, 06:02:53 AM
it hasnt happend but I must say when I frist saw the anime before reading the manga. My first reaction was I wanted to see Griffith killed. That will still probably be my happiest moment heh.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: HumanWeapon on March 22, 2006, 03:23:41 AM
Definately the firts kiss with Casca. Guts had never been loved by anyone but Shizu. It must have been euphoric and frieghtening for him.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Some Guy on March 23, 2006, 05:12:10 AM
When Casca kills that oaf, Adon
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: mike.william on March 23, 2006, 06:15:20 AM
Probably the Casca hookup.  Everything kinda went downhill for Guts after that. 
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Abstraction on March 23, 2006, 08:04:46 PM
When Casca kills that oaf, Adon

lol, nice one

I think it was when Guts and Casca finally get to hug each other, after he throws Mozgus over the edge of the castle. Cause he hadn't got a chance to hold her since he left her at Godo's house.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Kakihara on March 27, 2006, 10:43:45 PM
For me it was when Guts and Serpico fought on the Cliff, that was when serpico first showed his other side(opended his eye(s)) And that was so great it truly cemented my admiration for this charater.... :serpico:

Before that I realy liked when Zod threw his sword to Guts....
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Aazealh on March 27, 2006, 10:51:07 PM
For me it was when Guts and Serpico fought on the Cliff, that was when serpico first showed his other side(opended his eye(s)) And that was so great it truly cemented my admiration for this charater....

But that's not a "happy moment" in the story at all... Same with Zodd throwing his sword to Guts. The topic isn't about which scenes you like the most.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: CnC on March 27, 2006, 10:54:29 PM
...

Not to mention that wasn't the first time he opened his eyes.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Kakihara on March 28, 2006, 09:17:37 PM
Ah yes, sorry I thought that it was asking what we thoght was the happiest moment in berserk, and this being a subjective quality I make my own judgement...

And if its about what part was happiest for the charaters, then I'd say Mr. Gimpy was happy as hell to get to play with and study griffith for a year.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: yota821 on March 28, 2006, 09:35:03 PM
^I think you kinda missed the point entirely...... :griff:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Kakihara on March 29, 2006, 02:03:05 AM
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Now, I know Berserk definitely isn't a happy manga,  but actually rather dark, but it does have it's happy moments for [a] character.
Ok, so a time when a character was happy, very well, I say when Gimmpy is granted Grifftih, or when Yong Farnese sees the 'heritic burning'. yea...
Ok?  :serpico:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Walter on March 29, 2006, 02:44:04 AM
it hasnt happend but I must say when I frist saw the anime before reading the manga. My first reaction was I wanted to see Griffith killed. That will still probably be my happiest moment heh.
 
Wow, still crying over Judo?  :judo: Here's a little something I drew just for Griff haters like you. (http://www.skullknight.net/yabbse/oekaki/index.php?pageno=9#138)

Ok, so a time when a character was happy, very well, I say when Gimmpy is granted Grifftih, or when Yong Farnese sees the 'heritic burning'. yea...
Ok?  :serpico:
There are too many moments of happiness in the series to list.  Though, most of them are bittersweet.  If you can't detect them, well... you aren't reading closely enough.  Here's one that hasn't been mentioned yet: When Guts finds the Dragon Slayer  :guts:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: EndLeSS8 on March 30, 2006, 03:53:42 PM
IMHO it's the Bonfire of Dreams
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: smoke on April 04, 2006, 02:39:13 AM
Not quite happy, but exciting in a postive way.

When Guts busts into that pagan cave orgy with the Great Goat and saves Casca. The emotion in that was awesome. It was like 'OMG YAY THAY'RE BAK 2GTHR"

I liked it. I imagine Guts was smiling on the inside, too.  :carcus:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Kenji-kun on May 27, 2006, 10:08:20 AM
I would say after the battle at Doldrey.
When the Hawks enter in the town being applauded by the population which is fascinated, when they become officially nobles, Griffith has moved a step forward to reach his dream, Guts and Casca talking on the balcony (with Guts finding Casca kinda cute on her dress) and ESPECIALLY when Guts smiles to Griffith through the glass window, and Griffith answers to him with a largest smile (beautiful facial expression, I can feel their emotions) ! 
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Walter on May 27, 2006, 08:14:36 PM
(beautiful facial expression, I can feel their emotions) !
(http://skullknight.net/images/schierke smile.jpg)
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: TheBeast43105 on June 02, 2006, 10:34:27 PM
I too think that when Guts and Casca get together at the end of volume 9/ start of 10 is the happiest, most care-free moment in Berserk. They argue a couple of times during the whole ordeal, but the way the whole scene ends with Guts saying how he'll take care of her even though it goes against everything he's done up to that point, and they kiss.......it almost fools you into thinking that maybe everything will be alright.       Of course this makes the eclipse and everything else ten times worse  :judo:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: KuraiDragoon on June 03, 2006, 11:34:09 AM
I would say after the battle at Doldrey.
When the Hawks enter in the town being applauded by the population which is fascinated, when they become officially nobles, Griffith has moved a step forward to reach his dream, Guts and Casca talking on the balcony (with Guts finding Casca kinda cute on her dress) and ESPECIALLY when Guts smiles to Griffith through the glass window, and Griffith answers to him with a largest smile (beautiful facial expression, I can feel their emotions) ! 
I agree, this was probably that happiest point I can think of. And also shortly after, right after Guts killed the men that Griffith had kidnap Minister Foss' daughter.. and, I don't remember exactly what they said, but Griffith basically asked Guts if he thought he was an asshole for having Guts do all his dirty work, and Guts was just like "bah, shaddup with that crap," and then they walked into the distance talking about how Casca looked hot in her dress. It was just one of those moments where they really seemed like friends, and things just seemed peaceful. That sure lasted long..

EDIT: And also after Guts and Casca returned from the 100 man battle, and Griffith came back from the war council early to see them.. Guts smacked Cascas ass into Griffith and walked off to get drunk and 'let the alcohol disinfect him from the inside.' Good times right there.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Billybob on September 01, 2006, 03:52:01 AM
I think one of my favorite happy moments is after Guts told Casca to get the hell away and then he did the 100 man kill.  When Casca and party gets back and they find Guts and think he's dead, but he reaches his hand up and grasps her arm.  I find the relieved smile on her face very refreshing. 

And a little later, when Griffith comes from the war council because he heard Casca and Guts were back, and he tells Casca okaeri.  Even though Casca still thinks about Guts leaving, the fact that everything is all okay again, and Griffith isn't angry at anyone.  Just seemed like a good moment for all of them to be alive and together.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Oburi on September 07, 2006, 12:34:50 PM
I don't know if it's the happiest, but I like the scene just after Guts' first battle with the band of the hawk where everyone is celebrating and Judo and Pippin forcefully make Guts join in. Then everybody is congratulating him and laughing and drinking by the campfires. Guts for the first time is being accepted. That was always the warmest scene for me, even the morning after that party when Judo talks to Guts on the castle wall, he's like his first real friend in this group, except for maybe Griffith.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Gurifisu on September 08, 2006, 03:36:00 AM
I think the happiest time was just before Guts left (done on purpose, to commerate the fall).  Everything seemed so happy...

The happiest momment in Berserk for me (and I doubt many would agree) is

1.  When Griffith admits to Casca that he slept with the old man (a fact that I admire not for the act, but for the reasons), and Casca stops him from driving his nails into his flesh.  To me that moment was one of the defining moments of Griffith, and what really composed his humanity.

2.  When Griffith asks if Guts hates him for making him do the dirty work, and Guts response is no... I felt that was the point where Griffith betrayed his philosophy and gained a friend (on the other hand maybe he didn't).

These aren't ranked, I'm still deciding.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Holsety on September 11, 2006, 06:49:03 PM
A lot of people talked about memories of Guts with the Hawks....

Personally I was never able to really find those moments "happy". Sure, everything looked like it was going well, but I was never really able to accept that Guts was in the right place in the Hawks, mainly because of the 'dirty work' he had to do for Griffith. He kills a kid - even if he accepted what Griffith asked of him and did it, it clearly affected him; he tells Casca, IIRC, that he doesn't want to be 'weighed down by another man's dream' (or something to the gist of that).

Griffith undoubtedly had most of his successes thanks to Guts. Nearly every later, more important battle with the Hawks involved seemed to place Guts, not Griffith, as the most important strength of the Hawks. Yet Griffith's achievements, through Guts' work, are viewed as higher and more important; Corkus even blames Guts for the Band's fall, but without Guts, would the band have ever achieved the 'White Phoenix' position? Considering that Guts carries the value of Casca in addition to himself (having saved her several times in quick succession against Adon and the 100 men and so on), he's IMO much more important than Griffith to their success. Griffith wins battles based as much on the stupidity of others as on his own ability - see Doldrey, where he asks for too few troops and only wins because the main commander is stupid enough to leave the castle without suitable defense.

Because of all this I can't really accept any of the scenes of proposed happiness with the Hawks as bonafide. I'm definitely with the reunification with Casca after beating Mozgus. That of course is quickly marred when Guts nearly rapes Casca shortly afterwards, but at the time it sure felt happy.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Oburi on September 11, 2006, 09:40:49 PM
Griffith wins battles based as much on the stupidity of others as on his own ability
Can't agree I'm afraid.  You see I think it's Griffith's ability to forsee others stupidity that allows him to win battles.  He's a brilliant strategist, if not genius.  He knows how and when others will react and he incorporates that into his plan.  He even admits having Guts' actions in mind when making plans. He can read people and maneuver himself around their actions. Thats not luck, that genius. Of course in vol. 8 he misjudges his opponent for the first time which leads to his downfall.  But until then, he was the best. 

I was never really able to accept that Guts was in the right place in the Hawks,
I know you explained why you felt this way, but remember in vol. 12 he admits that The Band of the Hawk WAS the place where he might have belonged all along, he just has a bad habit of realizing things when it's too late. Too me, the time he spent with the Hawks seems to be the happiest time of Guts life.  He was accepted, cared about(by most) relied on, and felt true friendship, even if he didn't realize it yet.  But if you still don't see it that way, then lets agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Holsety on September 12, 2006, 01:05:30 AM
Can't agree I'm afraid.  You see I think it's Griffith's ability to forsee others stupidity that allows him to win battles.  He's a brilliant strategist, if not genius.  He knows how and when others will react and he incorporates that into his plan.  He even admits having Guts' actions in mind when making plans. He can read people and maneuver himself around their actions. Thats not luck, that genius. Of course in vol. 8 he misjudges his opponent for the first time which leads to his downfall.  But until then, he was the best. 

See, my attitude is...to rely on that is not a good decision. If Griffith had brought more troops, which likely would've been permissable, he wouldn't have been risking as much. Yes, the strategy worked...but exactly how sure was that homopederast lord to leave the castle? Griffith judged him entirely based on an encounter that was, what, at least a few years passed? If the guy hadn't held Griffith in a "special place" in his heart, then The Band of the Hawk would have been doomed in the battle. Hell, it didn't even need to be that much of a change; if the guy wasn't a complete strategical idiot, and valued the entirety of Doldrey over Griffith, he wouldn't have made the decision he did. Griffith based his decision on an encounter he had about 4 years ago, not enough basis to risk one's entire dream as I saw it.

Would it have been a good thing to use in a tight spot? Yes. Was that years ago encounter worth placing the entire band in danger for? Additionally, without even a supplementary army from Midland? I can't see it being justified. War isn't just about coming up with a possible plan for victory, you have to come up with a plan that has the least possible risk in terms of the troops you put in, amount you stand to lose, and what you stand to gain. For the king, trading the Hawks for a possible chance at ending the war was a good decision (IMO this is why Griffith didn't ask for troops, he wanted to ensure that he got the attack). For Griffith, seeking his own dream, I can't see it as justified. Things could've gone wrong very, very easily; with supplemental troops he would've at least increased the chance that a retreat in the case of a slipup would've gone off with more survivors. Ok, though, I'm really getting nowhere fast in the overall context of this thread... Basically, I felt like the Band's success was in many ways due to Guts and I felt like he got overshadowed and absorbed into something that didn't fully satisfy him, because Griffith's dreams weren't Guts' - so I've been unable to really agree with Guts feelings as "right" (???). Honestly, when he finally broke away from Griffith...well, the foreshadowing of Griff's fall was in plain view ("You'll get over this, right?" Guts thinks to himself), but I still felt kinda elated about it. Like, finally, he's no longer selling himself as a killer and living his life for another.

I also felt like some of the

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I know you explained why you felt this way, but remember in vol. 12 he admits that The Band of the Hawk WAS the place where he might have belonged all along, he just has a bad habit of realizing things when it's too late. Too me, the time he spent with the Hawks seems to be the happiest time of Guts life.  He was accepted, cared about(by most) relied on, and felt true friendship, even if he didn't realize it yet.  But if you still don't see it that way, then lets agree to disagree.

I agree 'bout disagreeing - your viewpoint is definitely fair. I personally can't accept it because I only saw the Hawks as a sort of resolution of others' dreams for Guts, and that Griffith was moreover a bad thing for Guts, even if he didn't feel that. But that's arguably just my own biases darkening a bright moment.

I also felt like there was a sort of twist of irony to the stuff in volume 12; Gaston and the other raiders are all promising to follow Guts into battle, the same way they followed Griffith. Griffith was shaped, badly, by his sacrifices of the lives of others. When that little thread of "they love guts" appeared, I got worried, esp. because of the partial revelation of Griffith's attitudes and such towards his troops that had occurred before.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Oburi on September 12, 2006, 01:38:58 AM
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Griffith based his decision on an encounter he had about 4 years ago, not enough basis to risk one's entire dream as I saw it.

Well certainly not but that's where more of the deeper meanings come into play. Is Griffith really that smart? Is he lucky? Or is it all part of their fate.

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Was that years ago encounter worth placing the entire band in danger for?

I completely agree that it was risky and he his plans are, by practical standereds, totally unreliable.  But it doesn't really matter, the technicalities. Sure it could have gone completely wrong, but it didn't. Thats all that matters.

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War isn't just about coming up with a possible plan for victory, you have to come up with a plan that has the least possible risk in terms of the troops you put in, amount you stand to lose, and what you stand to gain

Well I'm sure theres hundreds of things that come into account when planning a siege. I'm no military genius so I don't know, but anybody could argue about "How to win castle siege" in the best way possible. Just look at volume 7 when their at the council.

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I felt like the Band's success was in many ways due to Guts and I felt like he got overshadowed and absorbed into something that didn't fully satisfy him, because Griffith's dreams weren't Guts

That's pretty much case I'd say.  I can't imagine how Griffith would have done things withought Guts. But to me that all ties into the fate versus causality thing. Just as Griffith needed guts to get him so far (White Phoenix) Guts was also the object that would make Griffith fall so low when he left.

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Griffith was moreover a bad thing for Guts

Yes I can agree with you on that, he definitely was and you could even say Guts was a bad thing for Griffith. They weighed each other down in the end. I was just thinking more about the question on the happiest moment. It just seems that with everything thats happening now, when I look back to the golden age, it seems like a nostalgia of the best days, when a war with humans was the worst that was happening. Granted it was preluding all the horrors that awaited the characters, it still seemed the most upbeat.

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I also felt like there was a sort of twist of irony to the stuff in volume 12

It's funny you said that because I was also thinking that. Yet there's so much irony throughout berserk I wouldn't know where to begin. Regardless though I only mentioned it to show Guts' realization of how everything he wanted could have been right there in front of him. But it was too late at the time. Basically I think it's hard to find truly happy moments in berserk. Overall I think the Golden Age arc as a whole is the best because...well preluding was The Black Swordsman and after the eclipse is Retribution so everything in between there seemed to be the simplest time for Guts. But I see your point. It's tough.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Walter on September 12, 2006, 02:47:08 AM
Holsety, I appreciate you giving a realist angle to Griffith's strategies.  However, I think you're taking it a bit far.  Logistics and rational action don't apply to Griffith, whose ascendence has been planned for 1000 years.  He doesn't need to be a perfect, flawless leader with a contingency plan for every possible outcome.  He's destined to win these sorties.

But if you want to get nitty gritty about Griffith's dangerous choices, such as in the siege of Doldrey, he's always relied on whims like the direction of the wind and the folly of his enemies to succeed, and it's worked.

I wouldn't personally call him a BRILLIANT tactician on our real-world scale of leaders such as Alexander, Napoleon, Wellington or  Rommell, but he shines among the ranks of Midland and Tudor's generals, who are mostly, let's be honest, ignoramuses.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Gurifisu on September 12, 2006, 04:54:58 AM
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See, my attitude is...to rely on that is not a good decision. If Griffith had brought more troops, which likely would've been permissable, he wouldn't have been risking as much. Yes, the strategy worked...but exactly how sure was that homopederast lord to leave the castle? Griffith judged him entirely based on an encounter that was, what, at least a few years passed? If the guy hadn't held Griffith in a "special place" in his heart, then The Band of the Hawk would have been doomed in the battle. Hell, it didn't even need to be that much of a change; if the guy wasn't a complete strategical idiot, and valued the entirety of Soldiery over Griffith, he wouldn't have made the decision he did. Griffith based his decision on an encounter he had about 4 years ago, not enough basis to risk one's entire dream as I saw it.

Would it have been a good thing to use in a tight spot? Yes. Was that years ago encounter worth placing the entire band in danger for? Additionally, without even a supplementary army from Midland? I can't see it being justified. War isn't just about coming up with a possible plan for victory, you have to come up with a plan that has the least possible risk in terms of the troops you put in, amount you stand to lose, and what you stand to gain. For the king, trading the Hawks for a possible chance at ending the war was a good decision (IMO this is why Griffith didn't ask for troops, he wanted to ensure that he got the attack). For Griffith, seeking his own dream, I can't see it as justified. Things could've gone wrong very, very easily; with supplemental troops he would've at least increased the chance that a retreat in the case of a slip up would've gone off with more survivors. OK, though, I'm really getting nowhere fast in the overall context of this thread... Basically, I felt like the Band's success was in many ways due to Guts and I felt like he got overshadowed and absorbed into something that didn't fully satisfy him, because Griffith's dreams weren't Guts - so I've been unable to really agree with Guts feelings as "right" (Huh). Honestly, when he finally broke away from Griffith...well, the foreshadowing of Griff's fall was in plain view ("You'll get over this, right?" Guts thinks to himself), but I still felt kinda elated about it. Like, finally, he's no longer selling himself as a killer and living his life for another.

I also felt like some of the

Yes, but what Griffith was trying to gain was power... he lost very few men in a this battle, and in doing so he set himself up as the invincible leader, one that never loses (and furthermore one that wins while striking a much larger blow on the enemy.  That I think was defiantly part of his consideration.  His main goal was to become king, winning battles is just a step up the castle stairway.

The fact that you say he shouldn't have risked all this... is in fact arbitrary, because it worked.  You can say he shouldn't of done all this, but winning a massive castle assault with that few soldiers... is amazing.

I disagree, with Griffith not being in the league of Alexander, etc.  He was a brilliant tactician, but I believe his abilities were never truly tested.  Griffith is defiantly a great leader.  If you plan on using the second definition of the word tactician (someone who plans, to achieve an end) then Griffith is in a league of his own.  Seeing assassinations just by looking is someones eyes is amazing.  The fact that Tuda (made this was set up by IOE to) was mainly a army of bulky soldiers that didn't think that much, and when their was an exception it was generally countered by something to make sure that Griffith would not lose.

Causality in a way hinders us from seeing Griffith's true potential, and blinds us from seeing whether he could of made some flawless victory over Tuda without the help of cause and effect.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Oburi on September 12, 2006, 11:28:08 AM
Yea I do believe it's fair to say Griffith was a military genius, I'm pretty sure that was the point of him winning countless battles and manipulating people to do his will. Was he risky? Yes. Could he have lost it all easily? Yes. But regardless like Walter said his life had been mapped out 1000 years in advance. He was supposed to be an extraordinary and brilliant man and he was. Anyway Alexander, Napoleon, Griffith. If Berserk was a history textbook I think Griffith would be amongst those names. Maybe he didn't conquer whole kingdoms but he did start out as a peasant and work his way up, not to metion he didn't really get to finish his plans for Midland since Guts left.  Maybe comparing him to characters like William Wallace or Spartacus would be more appropriate on the fact that they started off as common men and rose up against an empire and won.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Anna on September 13, 2006, 04:29:57 AM
The happiest moment in Berserk for me (and I doubt many would agree) is

1.  When Griffith admits to Casca that he slept with the old man (a fact that I admire not for the act, but for the reasons), and Casca stops him from driving his nails into his flesh.  To me that moment was one of the defining moments of Griffith, and what really composed his humanity.

I know that you're entitled to your opinion, but...that's a bizarre choice. I don't think that that was a particularly "happy" moment - for Griffith or Casca. Casca was extremely distressed, in that scene - and Griffith was clearly putting on a front, for her sake. I mean, you don't go from self-harming one minute, to total happiness the next. Not even if you're Griffith.

That was a beautifully human moment, though. I love the way that Griffith...lets Casca stop him. He almost seems to...soften, at her touch. Even Griff needs/needed a little close human contact, from time to time.

And I agree with those who're saying that Guts' years with the Hawks were the happiest of his life. The friendships, the drinking, the laughter...the water fights! :guts:- and the general sense of belonging he felt, whilst with them. He never should've left Griffith (and the other Hawks); 'twas the biggest mistake of his life, IMO. Guts even confessed his feelings of regret...but, alas, too late....

Oh, this is making me saaad.... :judo:

First post!!! :serpico:


Edited to add: thought of a few "happy moments" (I'm most familiar with volumes 1-13, so most of my picks are taken from them):

1) At the party held in Guts' honour, after the Hawks' first victory with him fighting alongside them. There was a very warm atmosphere. That was Guts' official induction into the Band of the Hawk. I love the panels that depict Guts glancing over at Griffith, who is blithely smiling at him, and then turning back to his drink, with a little "hmph". Sooooo cute! :D

2) Guts and Griffith's water fight by the well. This scene makes me smile from ear to ear - just like Judeau! :D Guts and Griff were so carefree in this scene; just like children (which, technically, they were, at that time). To watch them, you'd never think that they were battle-hardened mercenaries. Also, this was the first scene to properly showcase Griffith's charming boyishness. *sigh*

3) The scene directly afterwards, in which Rickert comes to congratulate Guts on his promotion, and accidentally knocks him into the moat. And then, Pippin joins them, and knocks Rickert in, too! And Casca just looks on at these fools.... ;D

4) A couple of moments at the ball in volume 8: the pinnacle of happiness and achievement for Griffith. First off - Casca and Guts' talk on the balcony. Not a big fan of the couple, but this scene is just heart-warming. Love Guts being all cute about Casca, in her dress. :) But my favourite part of their conversation is Guts' suggestion that Casca ask Griffith for a dance (which, of course, is exactly what she wants). Casca is just adorable when she blushes! "I'd only step on Griffith's feet." Heh. I love the way that, despite his own feelings for Griffith, and his developing feelings for Casca, Guts was trying to push Casca towards Griffith (sometimes literally!), at this point in the series.

The other moment, at the ball, happens after Griffith receives his aristocratic title. His eyes find Guts, who is standing out on the balcony, looking in on him - and they flash each other the loveliest and most genuine smiles I've ever seen, on either of their faces. Guts' smile was full of pride and joy, and Griffith's was a truly beatific grin. Beautiful.

It struck me that the glass pane between Guts and Griffith, in this scene, is sort of a physical representation of the eternal barrier that divides them. Because, even though Guts is extremely proud of Griffith, in this moment, and delighted for him, he is still an outsider, who can never really be comfortable in Griffith's world.

I'll add more, later.
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Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Oburi on September 13, 2006, 12:36:32 PM

 I mean, you don't go from self-harming one minute, to total happiness the next. Not even if you're Griffith.
That was a beautifully human moment, though.
I couldn't agree more. I think it's bizarre as well. It defiantly stands out as an important moment for Griffith and Casca, but I don't see how it's a happry one, especially when compared to others.

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He never should've left Griffith (and the other Hawks)

Thats a hard thing to figure out actually. If Guts stayed Griffith would have most likely taken over the Midland eventually, the Hawks would be nobles, and Guts might be happy.  But at the time after Doldery (and even before that, I think when Guts first overheard Griffith and the princess) the light went off in Guts' head and he realized that he didn't want to live for someone else. He wanted to be his own man, like Griffith, although even Griffith didn't realize that and thats when he lost. My point is when I first read the manga, I was excited that Guts was going off on his own, with his own adventures and thats what Guts wanted at the time. I wouldn't say it's his mistake for leaving, everyones got to search for that one thing, the thing that makes you whole :judo: It just makes me hate griffith more and realize how dumb he was for not realizing that Guts was only trying to be even more of friend to him.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Anna on September 13, 2006, 07:41:40 PM
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He never should've left Griffith (and the other Hawks)

Thats a hard thing to figure out actually. If Guts stayed Griffith would have most likely taken over the Midland eventually, the Hawks would be nobles, and Guts might be happy.

The Hawks were already nobles, when Guts left. Griffith was a marriage to Charlotte away from becoming king of Midland. He was on the brink of achieving his dream.

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But at the time after Doldery (and even before that, I think when Guts first overheard Griffith and the princess) the light went off in Guts' head and he realized that he didn't want to live for someone else. He wanted to be his own man, like Griffith, although even Griffith didn't realize that and thats when he lost.

Guts inferred from Griffith's speech at the fountain that Griffith didn't consider him a friend or equal.... But Griffith never actually said that (and he certainly didn't think it, IMO). Guts gave far too much credence to Griffith's words. Another huge mistake from Guts. He should've just confronted Griffith about it. "Griffith, what do I mean to you...?!" Yeah, riiiight!!! XD

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My point is when I first read the manga, I was excited that Guts was going off on his own, with his own adventures and thats what Guts wanted at the time.

I wouldn't say that that's what Guts wanted.... I remember Guts feeling very lonely on his travels, and missing Griff and the other Hawks terribly.... What Guts wanted was to become a friend and "equal" to Griffith: his idol. Guts saw Griffith as being far above himself; he loved and respected Griffith so much that it wasn't enough for him to just be his right-hand man; he needed more from Griffith than that. Being in a position where he would be able to call himself Griffith's equal was, like, Guts' ultimate goal in life. IMO, he left for Griffith, not himself. Oh, the painful irony!

But, the thing is that Griffith already saw Guts as his (only) friend...and he certainly treated him like an equal - even if he didn't consciously see him as one. Guts should've listened to Casca, or shown a little more insight, or even, y'know, confronted Griffith about it!!! Instead, he just tried to take off in the middle of the night!...which is a pretty crappy thing to do to the most important person in your life. *tut, tut*

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I wouldn't say it's his mistake for leaving, everyones got to search for that one thing, the thing that makes you whole :judo: It just makes me hate griffith more and realize how dumb he was for not realizing that Guts was only trying to be even more of friend to him.

Guts' mistake was to completely misjudge what Griffith's reaction to him leaving would be. His mistake was to vastly underestimate his importance to Griffith. He made the mistake of thinking that Griffith was invulnerable; he didn't think that Griffith, his strong idol, could break the way he did. His mistake. Like Casca said, "Griffith is not a god!" (which is an interesting bit of foreshadowing of what he would become...).

If Guts had known what would happen to Griffith, I really don't think he would have left. But, he thought that Griffith could cope with his departure; he thought that it would be nothing more than a minor setback to Griffith. As he walked away, he told himself that, "You [Griffith] will be all right. You can stand. This is just like tripping over a pebble in the road." He was VERY mistaken, as we know.

It occurred to me that Guts never looked at Griffith's face, after he defeated him. Perhaps...he didn't dare, because he was afraid of what he might see there.... I think that, perhaps, Guts did have an inkling of what might happen to Griffith...but he didn't dare entertain the possibility. Because, the idea that Griffith might NOT cope without him was unthinkable. I'm sure this made it all the worse for Guts, when he returned to find that Griffith hadn't coped....[/size]
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Oburi on September 13, 2006, 09:39:46 PM
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Guts gave far too much credence to Griffith's words. Another huge mistake from Guts.
Yea you see I just don't think I'd put all the mistakes on Guts for these things. Like you say Guts didn't know what Griffith's reactions would be, but that doesn't make it his fault.

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he left for Griffith, not himself

Well, I sorta agree with you but I still think he did it more for himself. But thats just a difference of opinion and the great thing about berserk, people can interpret things differently.  Remember when he gave that speech to Casca "the bonfire of dreams" to me that was him admiring not only Griffith's ambitions but everyones, everyone except his own, because he didn't know what he wanted to do with his life, and when Griffith said something like "With no dreams, to simply live for no better reason, I cannot abide by such a life" that hit Guts where it hurt.

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Guts mistake was to completely misjudge what Griffith's reaction to him leaving would be. His mistake was to vastly underestimate his importance to Griffith. He made the mistake of thinking that Griffith was invulnerable;

Once again, I don't think Guts can be blamed for that. Maybe he did underestimate his own importance (even though he did realize how Griffith valued him more than the others), but still you can't blame Guts for Griffith's actions, I don't think.

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If Guts had known what would happen to Griffith, I really don't think he would have left.

I do. That's the only way he could prove to Griffith that he was a "true friend", at least in Griffith's eyes. Well maybe if he knew that Griffith would be imprisoned and tortured he wouldn't have left , but he seemed very determined to leave, even when Griffith drew his sword.

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It occurred to me that Guts never looked at Griffith's face, after he defeated him. Perhaps...he didn't dare, because he was afraid of what he might see there....

Now that's interesting because I never noticed that. I don't think that that means that Guts made a mistake or anything. Like you said maybe he was afraid of what he might see when facing Griffith again, how horribly he shattered he was.  Anyway I don't mean to completely disagree with you, in fact I do on allot of things, but sometimes I feel like Griffith is responsible for his own actions and became a hypocrite when it came to judging a real friend. Other times I think...man Guts really fucked things up for Griffith. Another twist of Irony is that Guts, the person who made Griffith forget his dream and pretty much lose everything he had, only to gain it all back in becoming a member of the Godhand (was that their fate?) is now the guy who is "swimming against the current". It's like the man who was part of Griffith's fate is now fighting against his own. I just think thats cool. :serpico:

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It struck me that the glass pane between Guts and Griffith, in this scene, is sort of a physical representation of the eternal barrier that divides them. Because, even though Guts is extremely proud of Griffith, in this moment, and delighted for him, he is still an outsider, who can never really be comfortable in Griffith's world.
 
That is some good stuff right there. Once again something I didn't realize. Only makes me admire Miura's use of symbolism throughout. Thank you for pointing that out. :serpico:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Gurifisu on September 14, 2006, 03:46:01 AM
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I wouldn't say that that's what Guts wanted.... I remember Guts feeling very lonely on his travels, and missing Griff and the other Hawks terribly.... What Guts wanted was to become a friend and "equal" to Griffith: his idol. Guts saw Griffith as being far above himself; he loved and respected Griffith so much that it wasn't enough for him to just be his right-hand man; he needed more from Griffith than that. Being in a position where he would be able to call himself Griffith's equal was, like, Guts' ultimate goal in life. IMO, he left for Griffith, not himself. Oh, the painful irony!

But, the thing is that Griffith already saw Guts as his (only) friend...and he certainly treated him like an equal - even if he didn't consciously see him as one. Guts should've listened to Casca, or shown a little more insight, or even, y'know, confronted Griffith about it!!! Instead, he just tried to take off in the middle of the night!...which is a pretty crappy thing to do to the most important person in your life

While Griffiths' dream still exists he cannot have an equal amoung his comrades... for he is the one that needs to be king (and an equal would distertain from that statement).  so the only way that Griffith had Guts as a friend, is by forgetting his dream; which he clearly said Guts made him do.  So by having Guts as a friend... he has a conflicting value which in the end must be solved.  Though Griffith is finely strewed, and I only pretend to understand.
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I know that you're entitled to your opinion, but...that's a bizarre choice. I don't think that that was a particularly "happy" moment - for Griffith or Casca. Casca was extremely distressed, in that scene - and Griffith was clearly putting on a front, for her sake. I mean, you don't go from self-harming one minute, to total happiness the next. Not even if you're Griffith.
What is happiness?  In that moment Griffiths burden was lightened... you see the side of him that he lost during the eclispe.  It made me happy that Griffith, for one singular moment was brought down from the sky, it showed how others cared for Griffith, and how Griffith (I think) liked that moment of human Empathy.  I don't know, this is all in your opinion mostly... but to me that was a happy moment.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Oburi on September 14, 2006, 11:23:45 AM
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While Griffiths' dream still exists he cannot have an equal amoung his comrades... for he is the one that needs to be king (and an equal would distertain from that statement).  so the only way that Griffith had Guts as a friend, is by forgetting his dream; which he clearly said Guts made him do.  So by having Guts as a friend... he has a conflicting value which in the end must be solved.  Though Griffith is finely strewed, and I only pretend to understand.

Nicely said.  While that is my same feelings also, you worded it in such a way that makes a lot of sense and cannot be argued (though I bet some will try :serpico:)
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: CnC on September 14, 2006, 03:25:44 PM
While Griffiths' dream still exists he cannot have an equal amoung his comrades... for he is the one that needs to be king (and an equal would distertain from that statement).

I don't see how Griffith's dream of having his own kingdom or seeking his place in this chaotic world would be interpreted as wanting to be peerless.

so the only way that Griffith had Guts as a friend, is by forgetting his dream; which he clearly said Guts made him do.  So by having Guts as a friend... he has a conflicting value which in the end must be solved.

Again, I don't think think that those two things are mutually exclusive.  Having Guts as a friend doesn't mean he would have to give up his dream, just Guts made Griffith lose sight of his dream.

Griffith's dream is interesting to me because on the surface its kind of silly.  The desire to have one's own kingdom could easily be interpreted as merely a desire for power.  However Griffith said to Guts in a rare showing of openness that he seeks an understanding of his world.  That, IMO, explains the decisions (and sacrifices) he's made up to this point.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Oburi on September 15, 2006, 12:24:57 PM
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Again, I don't think think that those two things are mutually exclusive.  Having Guts as a friend doesn't mean he would have to give up his dream, just Guts made Griffith lose sight of his dream.

Well I think it's meant in a more philosophical way or just in a literary perspective. Technically no Griffith shouldn't have to be like that, but the two ambitions of the characters, as small as Guts was, were too heavy for Griffith and he collapsed.  It's not a statement that's meant to be critical you just kinda of have to understand it.  Griffith was constantly putting his life on the line for Guts over and over because he subconsciously felt friendship. But for him to realize that companionship would be admitting Guts was his equal or even better, he couldn't handle. "When did I fall beneath you?"  I think it's fair to say that with the way Griffith is, he did have conflicting values between his selfishness and his friendship with Guts. He couldn't fathom a friendly "equal" of his by his own definition.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: brinco on September 15, 2006, 02:35:54 PM
Griffith was constantly putting his life on the line for Guts over and over because he subconsciously felt friendship.

I don't think that Griffith had felt friendship towards anyone.  He only use people as tools to achieve his dream.  And Guts was an important tool, worthy of risk he's own life.  A charismatic, intelligent, Machiavellian, cold person.  I just think that he saw Guts potential as a extremely useful tool, nothing else.

PS: Excuse me if I am off-topic.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Vampire_Hunter_Bob on September 15, 2006, 09:51:12 PM
When Guts tapped Casca's hot ass. It's both Guts and my happiest moment in Berserk.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Anna on September 15, 2006, 10:37:36 PM
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Guts mistake was to completely misjudge what Griffith's reaction to him leaving would be. His mistake was to vastly underestimate his importance to Griffith. He made the mistake of thinking that Griffith was invulnerable;

Once again, I don't think Guts can be blamed for that. Maybe he did underestimate his own importance (even though he did realize how Griffith valued him more than the others), but still you can't blame Guts for Griffith's actions, I don't think.

So...who would you blame? Griffith?! Is it really Griffith's fault, that his fragile little heart broke when Guts left him...? Isn't that akin to saying that if someone stabs you, it's your fault if you bleed...? For "If you prick us, do we not bleed?"...and all that....

As for Griffith's actions following Guts' departure...Griffith was in a great deal of pain; pain that Guts had caused him. Not to make this post a sort of...compilation of famous quotes from literature ;D, but, we are all fools in love, after all....

When he returned, Guts pretty much blamed himself for what had happened to Griffith in his absence - as did Casca. And as do I. But, it seems that, to some fans, Guts is just blameless in everything.... *shrugs* Oh well.

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I know that you're entitled to your opinion, but...that's a bizarre choice. I don't think that that was a particularly "happy" moment - for Griffith or Casca. Casca was extremely distressed, in that scene - and Griffith was clearly putting on a front, for her sake. I mean, you don't go from self-harming one minute, to total happiness the next. Not even if you're Griffith.

What is happiness?  In that moment Griffiths burden was lightened... you see the side of him that he lost during the eclispe.  It made me happy that Griffith, for one singular moment was brought down from the sky, it showed how others cared for Griffith, and how Griffith (I think) liked that moment of human empathy.  I don't know, this is all in your opinion mostly... but to me that was a happy moment.


Awww.... I kinda agree with you. That scene sorta makes me happy, too. I just don't think that it was a very happy moment for the characters.

Actually, your post got me thinking.... The relationship between Griffith and Casca is typically overlooked, in favour of Guts/Griffith and Guts/Casca, and it could be said to be less complicated and important than the two aforementioned relationships.... But I've always found their relationship to be extremely multi-dimensional and fascinating. I mean, many people say that Griffith saw Casca as nothing more than a "useful tool". But I don't think that that interpretation is in line with many of the events in the story....

I mean, when Griffith first met Casca, she must've appeared the furthest thing from "useful". She was a skinny, frightened little girl - with no battle experience. The other Hawks sneered at her. And yet, Griffith saw something in her. I believe he liked her plucky spirit. He must've known that, without his intervention, Casca would've been lost to either poverty or slavery (whichever caught up with her first) - and no-one would care. She had no prospects, at that time. She was extremely disadvantaged in life - being both female (the lesser sex, in those days), and from a poor working-class background. Taking her on was a huge risk (albeit, one that ultimately paid off). But, Griffith took pity on her. Here, he had the chance to help a disadvantaged person make something of their life; to transcend the limitations that their gender and class had placed upon them. I believe that this is one of the things that drove Griffith: a desire for the empowerment and advancement of the poor and working class; of people from a similar background to himself. I'm not trying to make Griffith out to be some sort of...social revolutionary, or anything - but I do believe that the above is the main reason why he decided to give Casca a chance.

Given this, Griffith must've felt extremely proud of the grown-up Casca, and of her achievements. After all, he had fostered her growth - from a weak girl into a strong woman. In a sense, Griffith created Casca - both the old and the new Casca. But, I don't think his feelings for her were limited to pride and possessiveness.... I believe that Griffith drew a lot of strength and comfort from his relationship with Casca - particularly it's physical aspect. He was able to confide in her, and go to her for solace (something he rarely did...but the option was always there). And I think that he enjoyed being held by her. That's what I think the reason for him lunging at her in the wagon was: he missed that aspect of their relationship, and wanted to renew physical contact with her (and to get her to stay with him, of course).

Phew. Well...that was pretty long-winded.... But at least some of it had to do with happiness in Berserk....

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Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Trashcan on September 16, 2006, 04:36:20 AM
After the battle with Zodd and before the assassination of Julius. Guts feels a little more comfortable being in the Hawks after Griffith explains that he doesn't need a reason to stick his neck out for him. Of course, not everyone is happy right then-but there doesn't seem to be a time when "everybody" is happy in Berserk. Not everyone can be a winner, I guess.

As for the off-topic question of Griff's military genius: he does show a knowledge of tactics outside of the limit of most commoners early in the story. Remember, education was a privelege of the aristocracy. That Griffith, who came from humble beginnings, should be a better general would seem unfathomable to the nobles; he'd had no chance for the formal training they'd received. That sort of battle-borne ingenuity is quite rare. He understood how the enemy fortified its positions and took advantage of it. Of course, without events falling perfectly into place it could have been a disaster. Lucky thing Idea was on his side, no?
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Oburi on September 16, 2006, 12:51:31 PM
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So...who would you blame? Griffith?! Is it really Griffith's fault, that his fragile little heart broke when Guts left him...? Isn't that akin to saying that if someone stabs you, it's your fault if you bleed.

I think I already explained all of that. But as I  said sometimes I think Guts really fucked things up for Griffith, but other times Griffith seems like the one to blame. You came play that game and blame everybody if you want. But like Trashcan said
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Lucky thing Idea was on his side, no?
So yea if I have to blame somebody I guess it would be Idea since he "pulls the strings"

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But, it seems that, to some fans, Guts is just blameless in everything.... *shrugs* Oh well.

...No definitely not. I already said you can blame guts for everything thats happened...I just don't. I'm the last person to take part in some Guts fanboyerism and say he's never done anything wrong.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Oddangelck on July 23, 2007, 03:10:47 AM
Given this, Griffith must've felt extremely proud of the grown-up Casca, and of her achievements. After all, he had fostered her growth - from a weak girl into a strong woman. In a sense, Griffith created Casca - both the old and the new Casca. But, I don't think his feelings for her were limited to pride and possessiveness.... I believe that Griffith drew a lot of strength and comfort from his relationship with Casca - particularly it's physical aspect. He was able to confide in her, and go to her for solace (something he rarely did...but the option was always there). And I think that he enjoyed being held by her. That's what I think the reason for him lunging at her in the wagon was: he missed that aspect of their relationship, and wanted to renew physical contact with her (and to get her to stay with him, of course).

Phew. Well...that was pretty long-winded.... But at least some of it had to do with happiness in Berserk...

Thank you very much for this post. I honestly see the same thing in the Casca and Griffith relationship. I think he did grow to love her in his own way. But I think he felt that being with Casca would be one of the things away from his dream. I mean, look at the dream sequence he had before the eclipse occurred.  He dreamed of having a quiet life with Casca, their dog, and children-but the pull of his dream was too strong- he wanted more.

ANYWAY!
 I think the happiness moment in Berserk was when Casca and Guts finally make love- beautiful. And the declaration he makes afterwards. It was so intense, so raw. That's one of the reasons I continue to root for this couple even though seeing them in couple form has been denied to me for so long-lol.

-OCK
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Lara Skadi on January 15, 2009, 02:28:14 AM
OK, it's been a loong time since last post on this topic... I don't know if I'm doing something wrong by replying it :???: If so, I'm sorry >.<

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Thank you very much for this post. I honestly see the same thing in the Casca and Griffith relationship. I think he did grow to love her in his own way. But I think he felt that being with Casca would be one of the things away from his dream. I mean, look at the dream sequence he had before the eclipse occurred.  He dreamed of having a quiet life with Casca, their dog, and children-but the pull of his dream was too strong- he wanted more.

Honestly, I agree with almost everything Anna said, but I don't think it goes that way, Oddangelck. Sure his relationship with Casca wasn't based only by possessiveness and all, but it seemed to me that that dream he had was a signal of tiredness. What would be easier (in practical ways) and simpler -and also less hurtfull- to do, like accepting Casca's love and devotion, living like everyone else, giving up from fighting and from Guts. Of course, even if he someday felt some sexual/emotional interest on her, he couldn't allow himself to go on with this feeling or relationship.

About the blame thing... (First, let's not consider IOE here) Gut sure is to blame for putting the engines on the moves; he was responsible for Griffith miserability and downfall. Also, Guts himself was one to agree to his ways of achieving his goals and encourage him to do so (when he asks Guts if he finds him a terrible person). But that doesn't change the fact that Griffith had the choice in the end, and was a bastard at choosing to kill them all (and "punish" his friend for being... a friend :s).

As for the topic...
The happiest moments are all in The Golden Age arc - like Guts opening up to Casca in the bonfire of dreams episode; them truly "giving themselves" (sorry for bad wording) to each other after Guts' Gambino crisis; the water fight; etc etc - but one moment that got me was when Guts casually calls them his family. He may have said that because it was easier or whatever, but it truly felt like the group was a troublesome, but nice family of friends. :) (I'm not the only one, Schierke felt that too  :schierke:)
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Xem on January 16, 2009, 04:19:10 AM
This is a great thread. =)

I don't know if it's the happiest, but I like the scene just after Guts' first battle with the band of the hawk where everyone is celebrating and Judo and Pippin forcefully make Guts join in. Then everybody is congratulating him and laughing and drinking by the campfires. Guts for the first time is being accepted. That was always the warmest scene for me, even the morning after that party when Judo talks to Guts on the castle wall, he's like his first real friend in this group, except for maybe Griffith.

This!! Absolutely.

Also after Guts and Casca's talk about the bonfire of dreams, when Griffith returns and pushes Casca toward Griffith and goes off to drink.

Oh oh, and just about any time Gaston runs up to Guts like a dog when his master comes home just brings a smile to my face. <3
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Okin on January 16, 2009, 01:38:28 PM
I'd easily go with right before Guts left the Hawks for the first time.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: ori on January 16, 2009, 09:55:16 PM
I'm going to say (theoretically) once they arrive at Elfhelm is when they can be at peace and not have to worry much about apostles. At least for a little while they can be sort of happy.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Lara Skadi on January 17, 2009, 02:53:09 AM
well, elfhelm is a perfect place for being happy and in peace, but Casca's sanity might come back with lots of trouble and bad memories... But I guess Guts will be happy for having her back anyway  :guts:

Oh oh, and just about any time Gaston runs up to Guts like a dog when his master comes home just brings a smile to my face. <3

haha, have forgotten that one :D
When they are going to rescue Griffith, it's very tense, but Guts and Casca all intimate (joking, etc.) is somewhat happy. Guts is really lovely on that one
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: DOOMXEEN on January 24, 2009, 06:00:29 AM
I always like to think of the night that Guts and company got to spend at Flora's manor prior to it's destruction.  They got to eat/sleep/clean-up well and not have to worry about being attacked for once.  They also learned that with proper warding, they wouldn't be plagued continually by dark forces drawn to the brands.  That entire scene just made me feel so ridiculously good...  Probably for the first time in the series. 

Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Xem on January 24, 2009, 09:50:08 AM
I always like to think of the night that Guts and company got to spend at Flora's manor prior to it's destruction.  They got to eat/sleep/clean-up well and not have to worry about being attacked for once.  They also learned that with proper warding, they wouldn't be plagued continually by dark forces drawn to the brands.  That entire scene just made me feel so ridiculously good...  Probably for the first time in the series. 



I have to admit I got a feeling of, "Guts really needed this", and a big smile spread across my face during these scenes.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Jarome on January 26, 2009, 04:41:29 PM
Yeah like most people said, I'd call the Golden Age as "Berserks' happiest moments"... Elfhelm is probably gonna be the last time we'll see our heroes tryin' to relieve themselves from the BIG FREAKIN' EVIL THAT'S COMIN'!!  :griffnotevil:

I'd like to comment the awesome discussion you people had trough the second page of this thread... Guts bein' responsible for what happened to Griffith? Are you folks out of your mind? There's no way, any person in this world can be responsible for someone's else feelings, that is something you cannot be blamed for.

I'm just wondering on another note if the :idea: actually used Guts for his own schemes... I mean yes the IoE has been pullin' strings and has been setting up Griffith's life for 1000 years but it seems Guts played a bigger part than he was supposed to.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Walter on January 26, 2009, 05:27:14 PM
Your question really deserves its own thread, I think. It doesn't really complement the subject matter here. If you're willing, I'll split the discussion here and make it a new thread in Character Cove or Manga Mausoleum.

I'm just wondering on another note if the :idea: actually used Guts for his own schemes... I mean yes the IoE has been pullin' strings and has been setting up Griffith's life for 1000 years but it seems Guts played a bigger part than he was supposed to.
Sure, Guts played an essential role in lifting Griffith to power in the Golden Age, which was at the center of some of the Idea of Evil's plans. I don't personally think he played a "bigger" part than he was supposed to. Griffith had to be broken before he would accept the God Hand's offer. Otherwise, what use would he have of "wings" to reach the castle that was already near his grasp. To break him, Guts had to be an integral part of his life when he left.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Oburi on January 27, 2009, 12:56:25 AM
I'd like to comment the awesome discussion you people had trough the second page of this thread... Guts bein' responsible for what happened to Griffith? Are you folks out of your mind? There's no way, any person in this world can be responsible for someone's else feelings, that is something you cannot be blamed for.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.  I enjoyed my part in the discussion and had fun posting way back when. This was early in my skullknight career and of my few "serious" Berserk discussions. So if you are being sarcastic..then FUCK YOU!
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Bekul on January 27, 2009, 03:12:51 AM
Mmm, I dunno about that Oburi, I think it's a very valid point. Blaming Guts for Griffith's feelings, and how Griffith chose to act on those feelings is I think placing far too much blame on Guts than is deserved. He's not the sort to live his life cowering from any possibility of giving offense. Sure, Guts could be pointed to as a cause of Griffith's reaction, but so too his ambitions. Multiple causes, not least of which  :idea: .

And at least after Guts was rescued by SkullKnight from the Void's... eclipse tornado thing (I'm... not sure what to call it; occultation ceremony chamber?), it does seem that he chose more of his own destiny. As Flora I think at one point mentioned, Guts path is similar to one possibly shared by her and SkullKnight - causality is a spiral, not a loop.

On-topic again (this is some interesting stuff though), there haven't been a lot of happy times for Guts, has there? His time with the Hawks, especially his first beer with them, for sure. And later, on the beach, before being attacked - most especially the brief moment with the Moonlight Child. A spell of piece in the town as well, though I'm not sure it exactly rated as 'happy' for Guts, given his injuries. And ever since then has been, basically, fighting, agony, rage, and grim survival for Guts. Not to mention he almost lost Casca to drowning because of both her distrust of him, and his lack of an arm. Now, of course, he seems to be locked in a fever-dream battle of sorts with  :chomp: .

Looking forward to the next episodes /so much/.  :guts:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Rhombaad on January 27, 2009, 03:53:22 AM
the Void's... eclipse tornado thing (I'm... not sure what to call it; occultation ceremony chamber?)

That would be the Nexus.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: TheBranded1 on January 27, 2009, 04:44:16 AM
For me it would have to be when he was with Godo after leaving the Hawks and training with Erika and talking to Godo about sparks.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Aazealh on January 27, 2009, 10:26:48 AM
I'm just wondering on another note if the :idea: actually used Guts for his own schemes...

Yes it did. The real question is: "does it still?"

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not.  I enjoyed my part in the discussion and had fun posting way back when. This was early in my skullknight career and of my few "serious" Berserk discussions. So if you are being sarcastic..then FUCK YOU!

It's clearly sarcasm and he's definitely right. Anna's posts in this thread contain some of the stupidest things I've read on this forum, and I told her so in another thread at the time. His remark wasn't necessarily against you in particular.

Anyway, watch your mouth and be respectful of other members please.

That would be the Nexus.

I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that this word doesn't appear anywhere in the manga and is just something we (Griffith, to be exact) (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=808) came up with to name the place. It has no "official" name.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Oburi on January 28, 2009, 12:51:52 AM
It's clearly sarcasm and he's definitely right. Anna's posts in this thread contain some of the stupidest things I've read on this forum, and I told her so in another thread at the time. His remark wasn't necessarily against you in particular.
Anyway, watch your mouth and be respectful of other members please.

Sorry for being disrespectful. I wasn't disagreeing with him at all, I just didn't like how he made a sarcastic remark about our discussion and then with one short sentence reiterated what had already been said. I  mean some time and effort was put into that, at least by me.




...and my posts are awsome
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Rhombaad on January 28, 2009, 03:26:56 AM
I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that this word doesn't appear anywhere in the manga and is just something we (Griffith, to be exact) (http://www.skullknight.net/forum/index.php?topic=808) came up with to name the place. It has no "official" name.

I did not know that.  I was going off the diagram in the appendices of the encyclopedia. :guts:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Walter on January 28, 2009, 03:51:50 AM
I did not know that.  I was going off the diagram in the appendices of the encyclopedia. :guts:
And that diagram is based on the thread that Aaz linked above. That all being said, the nexus is as good a name as any, though it may be a little misleading. It's not actually at the center of all worlds or anything --- it's just another plane of the astral world that the God Hand utilize.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Rhombaad on January 28, 2009, 05:52:48 AM
And that diagram is based on the thread that Aaz linked above.

That I did notice. :guts:  The diagram is extremely helpful when reading through Flora's discussion of the World.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: VICTORIOUS march on February 20, 2009, 07:24:24 PM
for me, i love the scene where the band of the hawk are celebrating after a victory. it has a close family feel to it. guts is sitting by himself on the ledge of the castle and judeau goes up to talk to him.. then eventually has pippin bring him down to celebrate with the rest of the band. if i'm not mistaken.. in the anime, there's a bagpipes theme being played during that scene which just added to the epic/happy feel.

there's another scene that involved schierke and guts. i can't remember it very well. i'll have to go back and read it, but i remember having a happy glow when i did.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: einherjar on February 21, 2009, 12:25:01 AM
I'm not sure if it qualifies as happy, but the scene after Guts teams up with Zodd to chase off Ganishka... When Serpico gets between the two of them and Zodd decides to move on... That scene was great.  And it made me happy, anyway.  :guts:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Death May Die on April 13, 2009, 05:48:48 AM
My favorite moment in Berserk, was well, after seeing the anime, and never even hearing about the Manga. Was that after that damn "Cliff hanger" ending, that Berserk long since continued. But other than that, seeing that Casca was still alive. After that point, seeing Guts find Casca after she ran away. From that point, I got to say my favorite moment was seeing that Casca was still able to protect herself even though she is not all there. Yeah, Casca is my favorite character and I'm not a big fan of rape, and I don't like to see the two mixed. Definitely, I'm pretty stressed when Casca is in those situations, and there has been a few of them. The moments when Casca gets away from trouble are the most relieving moments for me.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Aazealh on April 13, 2009, 07:37:03 AM
From that point, I got to say my favorite moment was seeing that Casca was still able to protect herself even though she is not all there. Yeah, Casca is my favorite character and I'm not a big fan of rape, and I don't like to see the two mixed. Definitely, I'm pretty stressed when Casca is in those situations, and there has been a few of them. The moments when Casca gets away from trouble are the most relieving moments for me.

That's nice, it seems to me that not many people are able to appreciate the stressful factor those moments induce (seeing the character in a dire situation, even though the danger isn't death itself), which I think is a shame.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: slan69 on May 30, 2009, 03:47:56 AM
lol, nice one

I think it was when Guts and Casca finally get to hug each other, after he throws Mozgus over the edge of the castle. Cause he hadn't got a chance to hold her since he left her at Godo's house.

Yeah same here that is definitely a happy moment in the manga 'cause everything before that was sad because of what Guts had to go through to find Casca. :judo:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: billdog on October 17, 2009, 08:59:35 PM
I always like to think of the night that Guts and company got to spend at Flora's manor prior to it's destruction.  They got to eat/sleep/clean-up well and not have to worry about being attacked for once.  They also learned that with proper warding, they wouldn't be plagued continually by dark forces drawn to the brands.  That entire scene just made me feel so ridiculously good...  Probably for the first time in the series.

I agree, that part made me feel so warm and tingly inside, poor guys finally get a break in a nice place, safe from everything.

Oh and im guys! im new to the site, but I love Berserk!
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Aazealh on October 17, 2009, 09:15:00 PM
Oh and im guys! im new to the site, but I love Berserk!

Hey there! Welcome to SK.net! :serpico:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Lara Skadi on October 22, 2009, 04:34:25 AM
One of my favourite "happy moments" is when they're at that inn and Guts refers to his companions as "family". Aww it felt so good :judo: (he could have said it for practical reasons, but it's still very touching - and not only me, but for :schierke: too).
Actually, the times when they're together and aren't fighting are usually very "warm" - and I just love it! :casca:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: BiQ-- on October 27, 2009, 08:01:24 PM
Well, for one, the moment when Casca wraps her arms around Guts after he tells her that he killed Gambino. And her words immediately after. I think that was actually even better than the hot sex afterwards.

...But another point that I want to put up here is episode 236 when they are walking at beach, Guts sees Casca smile and next speaks about being able to watch sunset so calm again. It feels that only at that point, it started to sink in to the guy that there could be a semblance of real hope in horizon.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Rhombaad on October 27, 2009, 08:10:13 PM
Well, for one, the moment when Casca wraps her arms around Guts after he tells her that he killed Gambino. And her words immediately after. I think that was actually even better than the hot sex afterwards.

Honestly, that's my favorite panel in the entire manga. It gets me every time. :judo:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Saintly pants on October 27, 2009, 08:32:53 PM
Yes indeed. How can anyone still dislike Casca after that?  :casca:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Lara Skadi on October 28, 2009, 01:02:19 AM
Yeah, that's one of my favorite panels too (but then I have to confess I have a whole folder full of "selections" :schierke:). That whole scene is awesome... The same time I'm very happy for them I feel pit for them both... Born to be fucked up. :idea:-.-
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Chiron on October 28, 2009, 01:17:48 AM
My favorite scene is Griffith showing Guts porn in book six. Its little moments like that that crack me up. To see them, not being soldiers but just young men. It was refreshing in all that seriousness.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Minotaur on October 28, 2009, 01:27:27 AM
Some of the Guts/Griffith friendship parts from the Golden Age arc. The party in volume 8 for example. However I always felt a part like this meant Griffith needed Guts to dispose of somebody for him soon after.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Oburi on October 28, 2009, 02:00:10 AM
My favorite scene is Griffith showing Guts porn in book six. Its little moments like that that crack me up. To see them, not being soldiers but just young men. It was refreshing in all that seriousness.

Wasn't exactly porn was it? More like a Kama Sutra type thing.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: TheBranded1 on October 28, 2009, 02:03:10 AM
Wasn't exactly porn was it? More like a Kama Sutra type thing.

Yeah Obu, it was something like the Kama Sutra.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Gobolatula on October 29, 2009, 06:24:09 AM
One of the happiest moments for me actually has roots in a very sad moment.

When Schierke and Guts are on the beach and she's trying to rationalize the death of Flora... she just burst into tears and latches onto Guts. Then they share a brief calm chat together and she's actually smiling again. It's where Guts and Schierke's friendship starts to really blossom and it's very touching. A very "AWWWW" moment.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Aphasia on October 30, 2009, 01:05:00 AM
Besides the really great ones such as the stay at Flora's treehouse (The design was freaking beautiful...I can just imagine spending a night there).

Also, sometime after the queen had burned in the Golden Age arc, and Guts and Griffith are talking about Casca in a dress. Then that leads up to the reunion with Griffith and the gang. That made me feel good because they all thought he was dead. : (
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Saintly pants on December 14, 2009, 12:30:22 PM
Yeah Obu, it was something like the Kama Sutra.

Possible example of fridge brilliance: Look closely at the right page of the kama sutra book and then look at a certain panel at the end of volume nine wich kind of mirrors it. Could be coincidence, but i think Guts took some notes there. After all, for a first timer he handles Casca rather skillfully. ;-)

So much planning ahead by Miura, its awesome!
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Oburi on December 14, 2009, 03:50:25 PM
Possible example of fridge brilliance: Look closely at the right page of the kama sutra book and then look at a certain panel at the end of volume nine wich kind of mirrors it. Could be coincidence, but i think Guts took some notes there. After all, for a first timer he handles Casca rather skillfully. ;-)

So much planning ahead by Miura, its awesome!

First timer? You mean first time with Casca right?
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Walter on December 14, 2009, 04:07:12 PM
Look closely at the right page of the kama sutra book  ...  Could be coincidence
My vote goes to this.

First timer? You mean first time with Casca right?
It's implied in that scene that Guts is a virgin. Casca asks him whether that's why he was so forceful with her, and he looks slightly nervous.

Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Eluvei on December 14, 2009, 05:37:18 PM
It's implied in that scene that Guts is a virgin. Casca asks him whether that's why he was so forceful with her, and he looks slightly nervous.

I'd say the intensity of which his memories of Donovan invades his thoughts also adds to this implication.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Walter on December 14, 2009, 06:41:29 PM
I'd say the intensity of which his memories of Donovan invades his thoughts also adds to this implication.
That happens after, if you look at the episode again. It's not like he's reminded of Donovan as soon as they get down on the ground.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: MARCKOZZ on January 28, 2010, 09:31:33 AM
There's only one moment in Berserk when Guts really smile... I hope you remember it.

When he ran away from his dead father and a bunch of mercenaries use some bolts from behind and hit his horse (and let him take one on his shoulder). He falls off and felt so close to death that he just turn around and look at the stars and the moon. He finally found peace and with tears in his eyes... he smiles =')
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Oburi on January 28, 2010, 09:41:45 AM
There's only one moment in Berserk when Guts really smile... I hope you remember it.

When he ran away from his dead father and a bunch of mercenaries use some bolts from behind and hit his horse (and let him take one on his shoulder). He falls off and felt so close to death that he just turn around and look at the stars and the moon. He finally found peace and with tears in his eyes... he smiles =')

Is this a troll?
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Aazealh on January 28, 2010, 10:46:47 AM
There's only one moment in Berserk when Guts really smile...

:schierke: No, Guts smiles more than once in the manga.

(http://aazealh.net/Divers/Face/Guts_smiles_01.jpg) (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Face/Guts_smiles_03.jpg) (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Face/Guts_smiles_04.jpg) (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Face/Guts_smiles_05.jpg) (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Face/Guts_smiles_06.jpg) (http://aazealh.net/Divers/Face/Guts_smiles_07.jpg)

When he ran away from his dead father and a bunch of mercenaries use some bolts from behind and hit his horse (and let him take one on his shoulder). He falls off and felt so close to death that he just turn around and look at the stars and the moon. He finally found peace and with tears in his eyes... he smiles =')

No, you're not remembering what happened correctly. Guts doesn't smile when he looks at the moon, he's more transfixed. It's when the wolves appear that he has this sad, accepting smile on his face. That's because he wanted to die and thought his time had come. Not exactly the happiest moment in his life.

(http://aazealh.net/Divers/Face/Guts_smiles_02.jpg)
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Dar Klink on January 28, 2010, 12:13:58 PM
(http://aazealh.net/Divers/Face/Guts_smiles_07.jpg)

This one gets me every time, he just looks like he doesn't want to believe what Skully just told him, but is smiling despite himself...  :guts:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Jerk on January 30, 2010, 09:07:42 AM
I love that scene.  Now imagine Guts reaction when Casca is actually restored, I think he would cry.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Dar Klink on January 30, 2010, 09:24:14 AM
I love that scene.  Now imagine Guts reaction when Casca is actually restored, I think he would cry.
I think I'm gonna cry when that happens. So much has been leading up to that. I won't be able to hold stop myself. :judo:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: GASKA on February 11, 2010, 12:24:21 AM
Volume 19 THE REUNION

When Guts finally catchest up with Casca for the first time since she ran away.  Guts appears right when that goat man is about to rape Casca. :beast: Guts, out of nowhere, cuts "it" off and saves her. That 2-page picture of Guts and Casca is one of my favorites. They both look like lost children...epic.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: mphero7 on February 20, 2010, 02:49:41 AM
Hello every one. I have not written a reply in a long time. I've been sort of busy-doing my own thing. I like to think that the happiest moment in berserk is when Guts and Casca make love.  :???: :guts:         :slan: :carcus:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Doc on February 20, 2010, 01:10:24 PM
First timer? You mean first time with Casca right?

Was it ever implied if it was Casca's first time, as well?
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Aazealh on February 20, 2010, 01:20:27 PM
Was it ever implied if it was Casca's first time, as well?

More than implied.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Berserker Guts 23 on February 22, 2010, 01:29:13 PM
For me there are several but if I had to pick one it would be during the golden age when Guts and Griffith were at the peek of their friendship in arms and guts is just going with the flow of griffiths ambitions and then the start of when guts ideals and life goals came into motion.  He looks up at his friend talking to the princess about what friendship is and who deserves it.  A friend is not someone who follows a higher power, a true friend is someone who rises up with his own goals and doesn't follow under anyone.  That type of person is destined to be my rightful equal.   Fate and destiny changed everything on that day.  Guts little flame became a burning inferno that could not be caged any longer, poor griffith.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: geo jee on February 22, 2010, 04:10:12 PM
I think my happiest moment of Berserk is when Guts realizes his true goal as branded Casca's protector, then goes to her and smiles in the most beautiful look I've ever seen for Guts, I mean it was awesome.. :carcus:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Kalie Ma on February 22, 2010, 06:53:34 PM
Casca & Guts first kiss :casca:
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Alucard12 on November 22, 2013, 02:01:14 PM
For me, it would be when we find out that there might be a chance that Casca can be normal again, just that moment. (Ignoring when the Skullknight tells him the who "what you want might not be what she want..." thing)
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Hanma_Baki on November 22, 2013, 11:12:45 PM
Sorry for jumping on the thread necro wagon here. ^She started it :iva:

The first Guts-Casca kiss for sure. Its like you´ve been holding your breath the entire time up to that point...FINALLY!!! :guts:
Oh and the way they act afterwards, I love the whole innocence factor, gosh they´re so cute! :ubik:
...But I guess Im not exatcly the first one to bring up this moment so...

And of course their reunion hug at Albion.

Might seem weird but a different sort of happiness is definitely felt when he gets the Berserker Armor. The team-up attack with Zodd too.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Eating the sun on February 10, 2014, 08:40:06 AM
The happiest... I guess it depends on the situation!
I love the moment, after the 100 men slaughter, in which Guts slaps Casca´s booty to send her into Griffith´s embrace.
Even though, most recently, I kinda love the tavern brawl scene in which  :guts: kicks the drunkass´face on Schierke´s behalf :)
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Skullgrin140 on March 19, 2014, 10:35:18 PM
"Happiest Moment" I can really consider because this is regarding how long it took for him to really get to this position to begin with was when Griffith as was given the promoted title of the White Phoenix General by the King of the Midland and the Band of the Hawk were promoted in full. At the moment it really seems like Griffith had finally achieved his goal of power and achievement that he has been striving for, sadly it wasn't ment to be due to unfortunate circumstances. That stood out as a happy moment at least from Griffith's perspective. 
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Walter on March 19, 2014, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: Skullgrin140 link=topic=5794.msg226832#msg226832
. At the moment it really seems like Griffith had finally achieved his goal of power and achievement that he has been striving for

He wished for his own kingdom.  But it's true that in that moment everyone seems pretty happy. Of course behind the scenes it was a different story.
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: jackson_hurley on March 28, 2014, 04:51:32 PM
The tavern scene at Vritannis when Schierke is not so sure to fit with the group but realize that she does when Guts punch the drunk guy because he stained her clothes. i really dig these kind of moment in the series, a lot!
Title: Re: Happiest moment in Berserk
Post by: Gurifisu on April 13, 2014, 05:23:42 PM
I never really found Casca's kiss with Guts to be happy.  At that point things were steadily falling apart.  Bittersweet, but not happy.

For me the happiest moment is when Guts is Sitting on top of the Castle Walls, and he's beckoned down to celebrate with the Band of the Hawk.  That's when everything seems hopeful, and Guts hasn't stained his hands with the blood of a child, yet.