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Title: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on March 06, 2009, 04:25:02 AM
While at Kinokuniya, I picked up the first three volumes of REAL, Inoue's "other" basketball series.

(http://skullknight.net/images/real.jpg)(http://skullknight.net/images/real9gc.jpg)

Less a series about the sport itself, REAL focuses on the antiheroes of society -- the downtrodden, the looked-down-upon, the marginalized -- who without a focus in life to cling to like sports, would fall in the cracks of society. Much of the series examines the psychological impact of those unable to compete on the main stage of basketball because of some varying life trauma. Whether it be access to courts, loss of limbs or loss of spinal mobility, something keeps each of the main characters from the sport. It becomes an eternal struggle for them to cope with this loss, pushing them to compete in what many consider a "fake" sport, wheelchair basketball, and make it become a REAL sport.

Its tone is far more serious than Slam Dunk, which may be a little jarring to those fresh from the series expecting some kind of thematic continuation. Three volumes in, it's clear that REAL is far more interested in developing each of its disabled characters than it is about the game of basketball. I'd recommend it to any fan of Inoue's hungry for something a little deeper than Slam Dunk, but without that Vagabond edge.

Here's the link to Viz' site regarding REAL, which has more detailed information on each volume: http://www.viz.com/products/products.php?product_id=7336
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Griffith on March 06, 2009, 10:58:50 AM
Another one I'll definitely need to pick up at some point, it even feels more immediately accessible to me than Slam Dunk being so much shorter, a work in progress rather than something long finished, and it's parallel "sister-serialization" with Vagabond. I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that I should just set aside the money because I'm eventually going to have all of Inoue's work, whatever it may be.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Bunnet on March 25, 2009, 03:13:22 AM
I just don't know where to get it but it sounds good. Sense its not often we got manga about the handicap
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on March 25, 2009, 03:24:04 AM
I just don't know where to get it but it sounds good.
Amazon is a good place to start. (http://www.amazon.com/Real-1-Viz-Takehiko-Inoue/dp/1421519895/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237955018&sr=8-1)
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Bunnet on March 25, 2009, 04:43:30 AM
Amazon is a good place to start. (http://www.amazon.com/Real-1-Viz-Takehiko-Inoue/dp/1421519895/ref=pd_bbs_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1237955018&sr=8-1)
Don't have the money for it now :schierke:
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Aazealh on March 25, 2009, 12:39:53 PM
Don't have the money for it now :schierke:

Get to work then.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Griffith on March 26, 2009, 08:47:03 AM
Bunnet, what I would do if you want to get it is to not think of it as something large you have to invest in all at once. Get the first volume whenever you can scrounge together the spending money and continue to buy it on a long term schedule (one a month or something). After all, it's going to be months between releases, especially when they catch up to the Japanese volumes, so you might as well get used to buying them months apart. You'll still catch up before they can finish releasing them.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Bunnet on March 26, 2009, 11:25:27 PM
Get to work then.
I can't work, I wish I could and working through get a permission to do so. I'm a foreigner who just happens to be passing by an falling in love with American woman and been living with her ever sense...four years now. So yup that why
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: TheBranded1 on March 26, 2009, 11:31:26 PM
I can't work, I wish I could and working through get a permission to do so. I'm a foreigner who just happens to be passing by an falling in love with American woman and been living with her ever sense...four years now. So yup that why

I am also a foreigner who has been here for 13 years and I'm also in the process of getting a residen alien card and I am working, you just have to know how to look. You don't need a permission because there are jobs that pay cash. So coming from someone who has the experience in that, you can get a job. So no more excuses sir.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Bunnet on April 02, 2009, 02:11:03 AM
I am also a foreigner who has been here for 13 years and I'm also in the process of getting a residen alien card and I am working, you just have to know how to look. You don't need a permission because there are jobs that pay cash. So coming from someone who has the experience in that, you can get a job. So no more excuses sir.
You totally have to show me where too look because man I been looking for a job and can't find anything
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on June 10, 2009, 03:19:26 PM
I got volume 4 shipped yesterday (along with Berserk 29 and Vagabond 29) and  I have to say it's one of Viz' best efforts.

They now have an appendix section with translations of words shown in the backgrounds and explanations of cultural things. In one instance, a character references some 70s television show, and the appendix explains the significance of it and why he'd bring it up particularly.  Another entry has the full translation of a letter written to one of the characters. Within the actual chapter, it just gives a one line summary of it.

Very cool  :serpico: I wish Viz had gotten a hold of Berserk. I can just imagine how useful that appendix could be for all the Puck cultural references shown in the manga.  :sad:
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: TheBranded1 on June 10, 2009, 03:22:41 PM


Yeah, such a shame we're missing some stuff we could have gotten with those handy appendixes.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on June 10, 2009, 05:01:20 PM
Also, as I was reading volume 4, it struck me that the character Tomiya bears a striking resemblance to Inoue. I wonder if it was intentional or not. Interestingly, it struck me only when the character was having to take odd jobs, trying to find his purpose/role in life. He says he's a poet, and not cut out for the real world. I wonder if Inoue went through a similar period before deciding to become a mangaka.

I'll post a side by side comparison shot when I get home.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: TheBranded1 on June 10, 2009, 05:26:14 PM
Also, as I was reading volume 4, it struck me that the character Tomiya bears a striking resemblance to Inoue. I wonder if it was intentional or not. Interestingly, it struck me only when the character was having to take odd jobs, trying to find his purpose/role in life. He says he's a poet, and not cut out for the real world. I wonder if Inoue went through a similar period before deciding to become a mangaka.

I'll post a side by side comparison shot when I get home.

If Inoue ever makes a biography we'll know for certain. It could be that he went through some stuff and maybe some of the characters do have inspiration from acquaintances of Inoue. Just as Miura said that some college friends were inspirations from some of the characters in the manga. I"ll wait for that comparison when you get the time to post it.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Griffith on June 11, 2009, 07:21:43 PM
I got volume 4 shipped yesterday (along with Berserk 29 and Vagabond 29) and  I have to say it's one of Viz' best efforts.

They now have an appendix section with translations of words shown in the backgrounds and explanations of cultural things. In one instance, a character references some 70s television show, and the appendix explains the significance of it and why he'd bring it up particularly.  Another entry has the full translation of a letter written to one of the characters. Within the actual chapter, it just gives a one line summary of it.

That's very cool! I'd pick up REAL myself, almost ordered it all with my Berserk/Vagabond 29s since there are so few, but I feel l should read Slam Dunk first, and I'm gun shy on ordering those yet because of it's false start here a few years ago.

Very cool  :serpico: I wish Viz had gotten a hold of Berserk. I can just imagine how useful that appendix could be for all the Puck cultural references shown in the manga.  :sad:
Yeah, such a shame we're missing some stuff we could have gotten with those handy appendixes.

"An appendix would cost too much money and totally sink our profitability! Can't we just stick that stuff in boxes over the artwork? Just because were raking in tons of cash on Berserk doesn't mean we can afford any more extra pages, we're already using them for Hellsing ads anyway!" (http://www.skullknight.net/images/deadhorse.gif)

:miura:

Also, as I was reading volume 4, it struck me that the character Tomiya bears a striking resemblance to Inoue. I wonder if it was intentional or not. Interestingly, it struck me only when the character was having to take odd jobs, trying to find his purpose/role in life. He says he's a poet, and not cut out for the real world. I wonder if Inoue went through a similar period before deciding to become a mangaka.

Very interesting, sounds like me at heart. :badbone:

I'll post a side by side comparison shot when I get home.

Well? :griffnotevil:

If Inoue ever makes a biography we'll know for certain. It could be that he went through some stuff and maybe some of the characters do have inspiration from acquaintances of Inoue. Just as Miura said that some college friends were inspirations from some of the characters in the manga. I"ll wait for that comparison when you get the time to post it.
All this talk of an Inoue biography almost makes me feel like reviving the the bio I was doing on him for the Vagabond Inn... almost. (http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/mushi.gif)
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on June 12, 2009, 01:04:12 AM
(http://skullknight.net/images/tomiya1.jpg)
vs
(http://skullknight.net/images/inoue2.jpg) (http://skullknight.net/images/inoue1.jpg) (http://skullknight.net/images/inoue3.jpg)
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: TheBranded1 on June 12, 2009, 01:30:21 AM


Yeah I see the resemblence you were talking about. On that link I put in the Inoue's News archive, he says that all of his characters have alittle bit about him.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Griffith on October 08, 2009, 06:23:14 AM
I really need to pick this series up whether I've read Slam Dunk first or not, especially with it being a sibling of sorts running concurrently with Vagabond, and now everyone in Vagabond dealing with a handicap!

(http://www.skullknight.net/griffith/vagareal1.jpg)
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Grovel on October 08, 2009, 07:52:34 AM
I really need to pick this series up whether I've read Slam Dunk first or not, especially with it being a sibling of sorts running concurrently with Vagabond, and now everyone in Vagabond dealing with a handicap!

I cannot recommend Real highly enough. Slam Dunk is a completely different beast, and although it too is excellent, Real is even better IMHO. I bought the first volume purely because of it being Inoue's work, and even though I knew nothing about basketball or handicapped people involved in the sport I was soon caught up in it. I now own the first five volumes am am eagerly awaiting number six (Amazon 20th Oct).

I know that it is up to volume eight in Japan, does anyone know of when volume nine might be released or what the release schedule may be?
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Griffith on October 08, 2009, 04:36:15 PM
I cannot recommend Real highly enough. Slam Dunk is a completely different beast, and although it too is excellent, Real is even better IMHO. I bought the first volume purely because of it being Inoue's work, and even though I knew nothing about basketball or handicapped people involved in the sport I was soon caught up in it. I now own the first five volumes am am eagerly awaiting number six (Amazon 20th Oct).

Well, that seals the deal! I love basketball, knew if I ordered a couple I'd get a addicted, and have been resisting long enough. I better do that while there's only five to get instead of ten or more.

I know that it is up to volume eight in Japan, does anyone know of when volume nine might be released or what the release schedule may be?

All I can tell you is that on Inoue's official site it only lists up to volume 8 with no release date set for 9.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on October 08, 2009, 04:56:08 PM
I like REAL a lot, but I wouldn't say it's better than Slam Dunk, personally. As a story, they're very different. Slam Dunk is a shounen manga, so it has higher highs and not very many lows. REAL is more honest and not afraid to explore those lows.

Quote from: Me from my OP here
Its tone is far more serious than Slam Dunk, which may be a little jarring to those fresh from the series expecting some kind of thematic continuation. Three volumes in, it's clear that REAL is far more interested in developing each of its disabled characters than it is about the game of basketball.
I could go on forever about the comparisons between them, but it's really fruitless. They're both very, very well done series. I just happen to personally be more attached to Slam Dunk. But then, REAL hasn't concluded yet. And Ive only read 5 volumes.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: TheBranded1 on December 10, 2009, 03:44:31 AM


Real did pretty good for last week in sales :serpico: :guts:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-12-09/japanese-comic-ranking-november-30-december-6 (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-12-09/japanese-comic-ranking-november-30-december-6)
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Griffith on December 16, 2009, 06:25:17 PM
Thinking about getting this for myself for Christmas, but again... Inoue's basketball mangas keep canceling each other out for me. Should I read REAL when there's less than half of Slam Dunk available in the US?
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on February 26, 2010, 04:17:56 PM
Every Inoue fan should pick up Real. Im currently up to vol 6, and it just started to get really good, similar to when Vagabond begins to take off.

There's also the chance you'll see more Vagabond jokes like this:

(http://skullknight.net/images/real6-jisai.jpg)
 :troll:

(http://skullknight.net/images/real6-jisai2.jpg)
The sketch is referencing this character, who really does look a lot like Jisai (even has a somewhat similar role for one of the main characters).
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on March 19, 2010, 01:12:28 AM
Real 7 was amazing. Get this series.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Griffith on March 19, 2010, 01:48:00 AM
Real 7 was amazing. Get this series.

Sold! Just ordered the whole thing. :zodd:
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on March 19, 2010, 02:12:49 AM
Sold! Just ordered the whole thing. :zodd:
You will not regret this.  :SK:
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Griffith on March 24, 2010, 06:10:12 AM
Finished the first volume a few minutes ago... and I'm already half way through the second. :guts:
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on March 24, 2010, 01:46:38 PM
Finished the first volume a few minutes ago... and I'm already half way through the second. :guts:
I don't think I was really hooked until about the 5th.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Griffith on March 25, 2010, 02:15:44 AM
Well, after my last post I plowed all the way through 5 before going to bed, then wrapped it up early this morning. I was going to update my progress after getting through the first few episodes, since I liked what I saw, but then I ended up just reading them all and forgetting any comments I had for the early episodes. I don't see what was particularly amazing about 7 though, it hit that level pretty early on for me. You should've been saying that a long time ago, Wally. :troll:

Anyway, I just finished catching all the way up, which I don't regret, since it left me with goosebumps. :SK:
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on March 25, 2010, 03:00:15 AM
I just got really into 7 because it's a payoff after volumes of buildup. It's their first big game, and several plot lines begin to converge within the game. Also, the characters have begun to be comfortable around each other, which is nice after all the initial awkwardness.

It's also the first volume where I realized that Nomiya is very similar, in both personality and looks, to Takuan.  :SK:
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Griffith on March 25, 2010, 08:46:03 AM
I just got really into 7 because it's a payoff after volumes of buildup. It's their first big game, and several plot lines begin to converge within the game. Also, the characters have begun to be comfortable around each other, which is nice after all the initial awkwardness.

Yeah, maybe reading it practically in one sitting gave me a different perspective, but I didn't see the overall plot as a priority. A natural progression is there of course, but it was more a sum of various individual, and sometimes loosely connected, parts than the point. To juxtapose it with Vagabond, which will go off on tangents but will ultimately return to and serve the main goal, Real seems more like a series of tangents by Inoue (sometimes to the point of interrupting himself), from which main goals have developed. It certainly seems to be the case in the episodes beyond volume 7, and not an unwelcome development. I don't know though, I literally read it through one time in the last 24 hours, so you tell me if I sound like it.

This is technically just a first impression. :iva:

It's also the first volume where I realized that Nomiya is very similar, in both personality and looks, to Takuan.  :SK:
Yeah, I liked him early on, and if anyone's looking for Musashi and Kojiro, look no further than Togawa and Takahashi. :carcus: :griffnotevil:

My favorite Nomiya/Takuan moment: "Don't kid yourself! You're not a loser because you can't walk... you were already one to begin with!!"
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on March 25, 2010, 06:21:40 PM
Hmm, well yeah it's been a bit different for me, since I'm kind of pioneering the series. It was uncharted waters for me as I was reading it. I wasn't sure how much of a payoff it would have. As I've told you before, and you know well by now, REAL is pretty depressing stuff, especially in the way Inoue tends to focus on the low points of these characters so intensely.

By volume 7 though, I could see where he was taking it, and it's a good place.

I'll have to look up my own favorite Nomiya moments, because there are many. But he's easily my favorite character, and stars in the best moments for me personally.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Griffith on March 25, 2010, 06:49:00 PM
I guess I was more optimistic reading it, because I had some pretty good vibes even in the first volume with their ups and downs, and I assumed things would more or less work out. I might have been fooling myself to a degree, just assuming everything would eventually come up roses. Like when Takahashi was hit by the truck, first thought was that was a little extreme karma for the high school jerk, and second, "oh, I guess he's joining the team." Yeah, not quite so easy. =) Of course, I was moving from one thing to the next immediately, so there wasn't any particular moment or downer I was left to dwell on, until now of course, and as it turns out, it was an extremely positive epiphany I'd been anticipating for a long time.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on March 25, 2010, 06:53:32 PM
I had actually started to doubt the series for a while, and now I'm left wondering why I had doubted it.  :farnese:

Regarding the spoiler you posted above, I think that's what we're supposed to think, but yeah he's got a long way to go. And I'm fairly sure his character is one of the main reasons Inoue wrote this: as a no-holds-barred way to enlighten the public with all the things paraplegics go through, in addition to their physical disabilities.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Griffith on March 25, 2010, 07:39:25 PM
I had actually started to doubt the series for a while, and now I'm left wondering why I had doubted it.  :farnese:

I can imagine it seeming unfocused and frustrating if one were to read it over the course of years. I mean, that struck me reading it in a matter of hours, it just wasn't a bad thing in that time frame.

Regarding the spoiler you posted above, I think that's what we're supposed to think, but yeah he's got a long way to go. And I'm fairly sure his character is one of the main reasons Inoue wrote this: as a no-holds-barred way to enlighten the public with all the things paraplegics go through, in addition to their physical disabilities.

Yeah, I really enjoy all his scenes, and actually, if there's a character I resent a little, it's Nomiya because he can walk and is sort of a traditional able-bodied main character. Though he's very effective in the ensemble, it made me think, "Did we still really need that for this story to work?" I know, my recognition of, and prejudice against, him being different is all kinds of ironic. We're all human. :SK:
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on March 25, 2010, 07:48:54 PM
He may be able-bodied, but he has his own challenges in trying to find his place in the world. The others around him have no trouble with that. But Nomiya is socially crippled.

See what I did there?  :carcus:
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Griffith on March 25, 2010, 08:31:23 PM
He may be able-bodied, but he has his own challenges in trying to find his place in the world. The others around him have no trouble with that. But Nomiya is socially crippled.

See what I did there?  :carcus:

Well, I didn't say he wasn't disabled, just not physically. :ganishka:

Though I do think they all struggle with that to a degree, especially Takahashi obviously, but even Togawa.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on May 21, 2010, 04:46:29 PM
I just got volume 8 this week, finished it last night. Was good, but not a highlight for the series. Looking forward to 9, but it's not scheduled to be released until November...
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Griffith on July 02, 2010, 08:50:43 AM
While reading free agent updates abnout the Lakers, fittingly enough, I happened to notice this author profile of Inoue (http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jun/12/entertainment/la-et-solomon-profile-20100612) on the sidebar of the LA Times website, which had a link to this corresponding LA Times review of Real (http://www.latimes.com/la-et-book-20100612,0,1952716.story), both posted a few weeks ago. I found the profile of Inoue the most interesting, particularly this tidbit at the end:

Quote
Despite his success, he continues to push himself as an artist, a view reflected in the poem he added to a volume of "Vagabond":

The more I draw

The more progress I make

The clearer I see the things I lack.

Word.:void:
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on July 07, 2010, 04:41:06 PM
Quote
Book review: 'Real' by Takehiko Inoue
Misfit Japanese children bond over wheelchair basketball.
:troll:
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Griffith on September 10, 2010, 04:28:45 AM
(http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/real/vole.gif)

Quote from: http://www.itplanning.co.jp/reale.html
This time, my staff was teaching a workshop in Kumamoto, and they had to
fly out there before the last few pages were done. So I finished them
myself. Inking the colors didn't require much thought so it was a stress
reliever. But I didn't like doing the tones that came afterward... which
I rediscovered. It was fun.

(http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/vaga/pic_take.gif)
INOUE TAKEHIKO
23 August 2010

(http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/real/59a.gif)

(http://www.itplanning.co.jp/images/real/59b.gif)

 :SK:
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: IncantatioN on September 13, 2010, 06:07:59 PM
I picked up a few volumes of REAL on Friday last week at KinoKuniya. I finished Vol 1 and dug into Vol 2 on the subway (between my ride back home on Friday, and getting into work this morning), and it's pretty much win for me. The art's there, you can tell in a few places that the detail's pretty good, like when you get a full page or almost full page shot of Takahashi in the hospital, crying. It'll be interesting to see what happens next, I'm up to the point where the Tigers notice those 2 new big reputation players come in for the play during the 2nd quarter of their match against the Dreamers.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on September 13, 2010, 06:30:39 PM
I wasn't personally sold on the series after the first two volumes. But it definitely hooked me by about volume 5. Same with Vagabond, really. Hang in there!
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: IncantatioN on September 19, 2010, 01:46:06 PM
Aaahh. I was sold by the end of Volume 1 actually. I felt a bit insignificant and small when I read about the sort of effort it takes for people in a wheelchair or people with any sort of handicap. It's so easy to give up. I've read up till Volume 6, and I have Volume 8 sitting right near me. Maaaaaaaaaaan, why am I missing Volume 7?!!!? GRRRRRRRRRRRR. Wait, I found it on Amazon, and ordered it. Wait, I goofed on Shipping or something because now it tells me I'll get it mid/ end October :magni: ... *curses Amazon and not his laziness to read while clicking through pages quickly in excitement* :beast:
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: TheBranded1 on November 27, 2010, 01:25:05 AM


Just bought the firsrt 2 volumes today. I can say I'm hooked. Nomiya sure is the stand out character on what I read so far. Looking foward to get the next volumes.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on November 27, 2010, 01:30:02 AM
Just finished 9 yesterday. Things are still moving a bit slow, but it's all still excellent. Can't wait til some of you guys catch up!
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: IncantatioN on November 27, 2010, 04:06:55 AM
9's out!??!! Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammn, I'll pick it up roight neow.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Griffith on November 27, 2010, 09:06:42 PM
Takahashi's long awaited recall of Togawa and realization about wheelchair basketball gave me chills.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: TheBranded1 on February 12, 2011, 10:46:01 PM
I"m up to volume 5. It's nice to see the backstory of Takahashi and Kiyoharu and what both went through. Nomiya's adventure after he got his license was funny and a big step for him as he calls it. I also liked how the Tigers came to be and how Kiyo came about finding about wheelchair basketball. I"m looking foward for Takahashi's rehab since he seems to be way down on spirts at the moment. Overall, really liking the series.

UPDATE: Got to Volume 10 now. I"m very content on how the series is turning out. Takahashi going to live with his dad shows another side of him and how he behaves while he's there, and how his father has to deal with him. The rematch with the Dreams gives the Tigers a new light on how well they have connected with each other despite the loss. Nomiya's adventures are good to empathize with since he's the only non disable character that is struggling so much. We'll see if he makes it into the professional level. Takahashi's stubborness is well portrayed and he puts himself down many times, reminiscing about when he thought of himself of a higher ranking. But it goes to show that doesn't matter when you go for rehab and that other guy, I forgot his name can actually do what he can't. He finally opens up a bit with him and then when the Scorpion comes around it's even better to see their chemistry. That trainer sure is hard on them, but for the good reasons. At least for now Takahashi is making progress too. Now I"ll just have to wait like the rest and see where it goes on Vol. 11.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on June 09, 2011, 12:21:56 AM
Volume 10's release date was recently announced on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Real-Vol-10-Takehiko-Inoue/dp/1421540517/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1307582433&sr=8-1

November 15. A full year after the release of Volume 9. Wow.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: TheBranded1 on June 09, 2011, 02:25:36 AM
I need to reread 9 to freshen up a bit. Thanks for the news
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: IncantatioN on June 09, 2011, 03:07:22 AM
Cool update! But so far away :judo:. I'm current on the raw version up to Vol 10, so I've read it - sans the English translation >_<.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on June 09, 2011, 03:38:38 AM
Cool update! But so far away :judo:. I'm current on the raw version up to Vol 10, so I've read it - sans the English translation >_<.
That's pretty worthless in an Inoue series.

"It looks like what this guy is saying is very important! .. There's tears in that guy's eyes and he's walking away... some shit is going down!"
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: IncantatioN on June 09, 2011, 02:09:52 PM
I see your point! But I was anxious to know what happened next ^_^.

Given the same token (from your post), isn't it like that for any other manga series? One of the reasons for my purchase of raw's is to find out what happens next without having to wait months for a translated version. I'm really glad SK translates Berserk episodes and fans can keep up like that. I haven't seen it happening for Vagabond or REAL on the site and haven't had the time to look elsewhere. So for me, as a big fan, like Berserk, I want to know, raw or not. It may seem pointless, but that's subjective ^_^.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on November 14, 2011, 04:58:50 AM
Real vol 10 came out a few days ago. It's the first volume in over a year, and volume 11 just came out in Japan, so we can expect to wait another year before Viz brings it over to the US.

It's a difficult series to follow at this pace. Unlike Berserk which has distinct chapters and arcs, Real's plot is segmented by character but isn't told in story arcs. I had trouble recognizing some of the sub-characters after being away from the series for a year. I realize that's my own fault, but my point is that the pace of release has begun to affect my enjoyment of the series.

For what it's worth, the way volume 10 ends is somewhat of a spoiler for the plot, but thematically, it's powerful enough that Inoue could put Real on the shelf for a while if he really wanted to. Which, I'm pretty sure he did?
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: IncantatioN on November 16, 2011, 09:35:11 PM
Awww crap! I missed the release date! I'll check in to Kinokuniya tonight (if the CPA I'm supposed to meet doesn't take too long with me *sob*) and pick it up. I've been dying to read what the dialog is because I read the volume in Japanese *wide smile* and didn't understand coughanydialogcough.

Thanks for the heads up Walter! Any favorite moments in this volume?
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on November 17, 2011, 01:57:29 AM
Thanks for the heads up Walter! Any favorite moments in this volume?
Just one big one really. I got goosebumps when the old coach tells Nomiya that he can "see the whole game." It was nice to see his natural strength coming out ahead of his natural weakness.

Perhaps it was the one year break between releases, but in this volume in particular, I had a problem with how the chapters were paced.  Individual chapters, weighing in at around 30 pages each, usually contain pieces of all three character arcs. This structure makes sense within the body of an individual chapter, but when you put multiple chapters together, the pacing starts to seem meandering and artificially frantic. I get the feeling that Inoue wants to include a glimpse into each character's story in each chapter, whether that makes sense with the overall pacing of the volume or not.

Occasionally Inoue will weaves together related narrative beats in ways that complement each other nicely (an example in v10 being Togawa reflecting on his own depression while in the clinic that Takahashi is still at). But I'm beginning to feel that these connections are too few and far between to warrant the way the entire series is structured.

Normally I wouldn't second guess a writer's decisions, because clearly he knows better than me how best to tell his story. But I couldn't help but feel the pacing problems were especially pronounced in this volume. I think it would be an improvement if the character stories were grouped together, rather than be interspersed for the sake of cramming in a glimpse of each story per chapter. It's hardly analogous, but imagine if for each episode, Miura felt compelled to stitch in Griffith's story every 5-6 pages, then switch over back to Guts, and on and on...
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: TheBranded1 on November 17, 2011, 07:34:07 AM

Volume 11 did pretty good this week in Japan. It came at #2 in sales according to animenewsnetwork.

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-11-16/japanese-comic-ranking-november-7-13 (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2011-11-16/japanese-comic-ranking-november-7-13)
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: IncantatioN on November 17, 2011, 03:20:18 PM
Go go gooo Inoue! It beat other new manga volume releases comprehensively. Thanks for the info, Branded.

Just one big one really. I got goosebumps when the old coach tells Nomiya that he can "see the whole game." It was nice to see his natural strength coming out ahead of his natural weakness.

Perhaps it was the one year break between releases, but in this volume in particular, I had a problem with how the chapters were paced.  Individual chapters, weighing in at around 30 pages each, usually contain pieces of all three character arcs. This structure makes sense within the body of an individual chapter, but when you put multiple chapters together, the pacing starts to seem meandering and artificially frantic. I get the feeling that Inoue wants to include a glimpse into each character's story in each chapter, whether that makes sense with the overall pacing of the volume or not.

Occasionally Inoue will weaves together related narrative beats in ways that complement each other nicely (an example in v10 being Togawa reflecting on his own depression while in the clinic that Takahashi is still at). But I'm beginning to feel that these connections are too few and far between to warrant the way the entire series is structured.

Normally I wouldn't second guess a writer's decisions, because clearly he knows better than me how best to tell his story. But I couldn't help but feel the pacing problems were especially pronounced in this volume. I think it would be an improvement if the character stories were grouped together, rather than be interspersed for the sake of cramming in a glimpse of each story per chapter. It's hardly analogous, but imagine if for each episode, Miura felt compelled to stitch in Griffith's story every 5-6 pages, then switch over back to Guts, and on and on...
That's a damn interesting view, I didn't realize it ... now that you mention it, I notice it. I wasn't able to finish reading it all last night, hopefully I can catch up tonight.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: IncantatioN on December 02, 2011, 12:12:32 AM
Incredible news!

According to Oricon's ranking for the period Nov 22nd 2010 - Nov 20th 2011, REAL ranks # 47 in the Japan Manga Sales Ranking By Series with 1,020,367 units and # 40 in the Japan Manga Sales By Volume with 578,105 units.

Offtopic - I'm glad about One Piece ranks # 1 (with a big difference in sales compared to # 2 Naruto aka sucky manga) and disappointed not to see Berserk on the list.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on December 02, 2011, 02:48:21 AM
Incredible news!

According to Oricon's ranking for the period Nov 22nd 2010 - Nov 20th 2011, REAL ranks # 47 in the Japan Manga Sales Ranking By Series with 1,020,367 units and # 40 in the Japan Manga Sales By Volume with 578,105 units.
That's... incredible? That sounds pretty shitty, to be honest. Though REAL isn't a very popular manga, Inoue is one of the big names in manga as a result of Vagabond and Slam Dunk, so anything he does should come with some weight. To see REAL barely make the top 50 is pretty sad.

As a comparison, Berserk and Vagabond are regularly ranked in the top 3 when they are released.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: IncantatioN on December 02, 2011, 04:57:05 AM
Understood, I didn't know Vagabond's track record since it's been a year and a half since I was introduced to the manga ... which's why I only mentioned Berserk. In a way, REAL being the lesser popular manga of say Berserk or Vagabond, if that's a fair comparison, it was pretty good for it to be on those lists. If shitty manga like Naruto or Toriko are that ranked high with the audience, I'm just glad a serious good manga like REAL made the list. Most titles on there are ridiculously lame. I definitely see where you're coming from too.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: IncantatioN on October 18, 2013, 02:34:55 PM
Volume 12 came out three days ago, picked it up last night but haven't had a chance to read it yet. Since it's been a while, I plan to re-read the series for a quick recap.

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/images.viz.com/products/1421558408.jpg)

Summary on Viz's site - Togawa’s pursuit of excellence takes him to a wheelchair basketball camp, where he discovers major deficiencies in his teamwork and leadership. While his fierce drive for individual competition has carried him this far, will it now be a hindrance?
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Lukis on October 18, 2013, 02:42:30 PM
I had it pre-ordered. Not gonna spoil anything to those who haven't read it yet ,but it's good ,a lot of development for Togawa and Takahashi and also a year of waiting starts again.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on October 18, 2013, 04:23:00 PM
Volume 12 came out three days ago, picked it up last night but haven't had a chance to read it yet. Since it's been a while, I plan to re-read the series for a quick recap.
I will pick it up this weekend. Thanks!
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: IronBerserk on October 21, 2013, 10:40:14 PM
Real, love it! Volume 12 continues to be fantastic proving that Takehiko Inoue is a master at his craft. Real is even better than Vagabond and I don't say that lightly. It's like he took everything that made vagabond amazing and then took everything that made Slam Dunk amazing, and rolled it all into one. The pacing is perfect and watching Takahashi finally getting over his trauma and growing is some of the best writing I've ever seen in a manga or in story telling period. It's incredible how Inoue is able to capture all the emotions so perfectly. I literally fist pumped the air saying "YES" when Takahashi finally realized it wasn't over and he could still play basketball. Something he could strive for and the build up was fantastic. Every character just feels so genuine and...dare I say real.

Definitely picking up volume 12. If it wasn't for Kentaro and Berserk, Inoue would definitely be the greatest mangaka alive.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on October 21, 2013, 11:48:03 PM
Real, love it! Volume 12 continues to be fantastic proving that Takehiko Inoue is a master at his craft. Real is even better than Vagabond and I don't say that lightly. It's like he took everything that made vagabond amazing and then took everything that made Slam Dunk amazing, and rolled it all into one. The pacing is perfect and watching Takahashi finally getting over his trauma and growing is some of the best writing I've ever seen in a manga or in story telling period. It's incredible how Inoue is able to capture all the emotions so perfectly. I literally fist pumped the air saying "YES" when Takahashi finally realized it wasn't over and he could still play basketball. Something he could strive for and the build up was fantastic. Every character just feels so genuine and...dare I say real.

Definitely picking up volume 12. If it wasn't for Kentaro and Berserk, Inoue would definitely be the greatest mangaka alive.
Please use spoiler tags in the future... I added them to your post. The volume just came out, so be mindful of others.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: IncantatioN on November 08, 2013, 06:53:33 PM
Cover for REAL Volume 13.

(http://i1230.photobucket.com/albums/ee500/Piraancantation/2f8db272-9cd8-476e-8da5-294564ef3f69_zps9968b50f.jpg)

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Release Date: November 22, 2013 (Friday) Release
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Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Walter on November 09, 2013, 01:20:06 AM
Nice. One of my favorite characters.
Title: Re: REAL, Inoue's other basketball manga
Post by: Mangetsu on April 21, 2014, 09:29:42 PM
I caught up just recently with reading Volume 13, which became btw probably my favourite Volume of Real.

Real is again a very good written stoy by Inoue. Real's 3 main character's Takahashi, Togawa and Nomiya really are something. I really love those 3 character's each of the grows in a very nice way and their development is fun to watch.
With the addition of shiratori we got one more amazing character. Volume 13 really was great.