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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: Today at 03:03:09 AM »
The choice of that specific moment makes me wonder if there's a chronological thing going on, aside from the Eclipse trigger with Guts. Is she going to go through the Wyald fight, the struggles against the apostles, the rape by Femto and then her child's tragic birth? Or has it all come back already? Or will it be slower, more progressive? Hard to say at this point. Anyway, seeing this picture of Griffith did bring to my mind this panel of Casca, from right after she sees him in that state. Looking at it, I think it's hard to dispute that this specific shot of him is an appropriate "beginning" for her trauma.
Interesting. That also lines up with where Casca says her memory from that time starts to taper off — the Tower of Rebirth.

Yeah, that line/reveal about going to save Griff stuck out, especially after that two page horror spread. It seems evident the Casca they spoke to in that moment was relatively trauma free or oblivious, like plucked out of time and remembering the good times, both from her previous life and while trapped in Elaine (Guts own transgressions aren't triggers or otherwise addressed either). Until she saw Guts and then the trauma, at least the beginnings of it, "Last thing I recall we went to save Griffith; how'd that work out!?" came flooding back. Interesting that we see the big picture first with the Eclipse, then back relatively to where she said she left off. I wonder if it ALL came back at once in that moment when she screamed or if it's going to be more complicated and arduous as Aaz alluded. In any case, despite all we've already seen her go through, it seems as though it's all going to be fresh.

I don't think she hates it, it's just not the kind of attire she's most comfortable with. But obviously given the situation this isn't a big deal to her.

Even that reaction was more reminiscent of better times, the nature of her objection recalling her complaint about wearing a dress at the ball, rather than someone that had just been through hell and come out on the other side. Hell awaits, apparently.

Boy, I'm cheerful. :ganishka: On a lighter note, echoing Aaz's initial perspective, it was great to have the old Casca back unburdened by everything, even for a little while.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 21, 2018, 07:24:42 PM »
I imagine the next episode will involve Guts rushing forward to comfort her with Danan, Farnese and Schierke intervening and telling Guts he needs to wait a little while longer. While it'll be tough on him, I imagine he'll consent and wander off to be alone (I can't see him going back to Roderick and Serpico, but maybe Puck will come find him?), leaving Casca in capable hands. I wonder if SK will make an appearance, like others have said, as well.

The potential parallels to their post-Eclipse reunion are ominous, but, even if Casca can't handle being around Guts at all right now, hopefully he's learned enough from before that and won't be impatient or get discouraged that things may not have quite worked out yet despite coming so far. I'm also interested to see what Casca does! She's not "Elaine" anymore watching a dream, she's got agency, so I'll be interested to see if the scream precipitates something of a temporary relapse where she shuts down, or if we're in for something more volatile. It'll also be interesting to get Guts' POV, effective choice to isolate him this episode, and I hope we see his side of that walk before the scream, even if it's not likely to make us feel any better about the whole thing.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 21, 2018, 03:58:49 PM »
That's quiet possibly the best crossover of any art ever.  :ubik:

If only my photoshopping on the night had lived up to it, but I got lazy. BTW, I'd be remiss if I didn't share the other source image by Christiano Siqueira:

The whole series is totally worth checking out as well:

To get this back on topic, it was also partly inspired by the humor I found in the 'shop "fixing" Casca's face, like, "Here you go, how it really should have been!" :ganishka:

Also, great callback and point by Eluvei all these months later; Miura's gone LYNCH MODE on us (I knew this particular bemusing feeling was familiar =)! I'm just glad the corridor of dreams didn't end with Casca frantically staring into a mirror and then we never see her again, presumably ever. :iva:

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 21, 2018, 02:34:47 PM »
You know, personally I remain hopeful. I'm not crestfallen over this. I have never doubted that Guts and Casca will be able to enjoy their love eventually, and I'm not starting now. The way I see it, they are simply on a path towards that goal, and this is just another step along the way. And while we don't know what the next episode has in store for us, I think it has the potential for some touching moments and not just painful ones.

Yeah, I saw in your edit that it actually made you feel better to get that tease, or preview, of an unburdened Casca, but to me it was decidedly the opposite feeling. I was expecting her to be messed up coming out of this, but to get that tease and to look ahead, to look past it really, to them reuniting under those conditions only to have it shattered by the inevitable reality was so cruel. This isn't a complaint mind you, more that I'm impressed how Miura was able to shake up a moment of which we've spent decades imagining every possible permutation, and to make it truly jarring and harrowing in an unexpected way (hyper detailed gross Griff bod, comin' atcha! =).

(Also, this might be a stretch, but I recently watched Twin Peaks Season 3 and (Spoilers for the end of Twin Peaks incoming) the end of this episode really reminded me of the end of the show - a slow build to a climax that is released via the catharsis of a scream. Not saying they're all that similar really, but they both gave me a similar kind of feeling. )
That scream at the end, it reaches Laura Palmer's levels of terror! It's nauseating.

Alright, now I have to share this chain:

Yet, he somehow managed to subvert our long established expectations by rolling out the red carpet for us to consider and to some degree anticipate this perfect reunion, before completely pulling the rug out from under our feet! :ganishka: :mozgus: :judo:


:ganishka: That's perfect.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 21, 2018, 07:30:50 AM »
I have to agree with you guys, it seems clear Miura intentionally went for the most perfect reunion setting ever only to better subvert it. But what I'm curious about, beyond this moment, is what the long term implications will be for Guts & Casca's relationship. Basically why Miura went for this and not one of the many other possibilities he had. Because I'm sure it wasn't just for the twist itself.

More like a twist of a knife. Yeah, it's the broader implications that make it so terrible; namely the prospect that she'll involuntarily find Guts repulsive by association with all she's endured. Happiness, theirs and ours, deferred indefinitely. I mean, we knew she'd have issues and Guts would be tied to some of it, but making him like the catalyst that triggers her... oof, that'd be rough, like worse than we imagined. We'll see though, maybe this is just everything hitting her at once and while it's going to be bad now it can at least hopefully get better from here instead of being a chronic thing going forward (but like Grail said, what WE want, not necessarily what's good for Casca =). Considering Casca's flashing back to the Eclipse and Griffith, presumably from the wagon, physical contact might not be the best idea right now (if so, I hope Guts can restrain himself). In any case, I'm not going to enjoy Casca's and Guts' pained expressions in the next episode. :sad:

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 21, 2018, 01:26:30 AM »
It was truly a joy (and also sort of bizarre) seeing Casca making all these lucid expressions in this episode! I wasn't sure how much that aspect of her interactions with Farnese and Schierke would affect me, but suffice to say it was an emotional experience.
The lead-up to the big ending was done so well that, hours after reading it, I'm still shaken. Reading it through the first time, I think I was all over the place: elated to have Casca back, but when Danan swooped in with that dress, I was kind of dismayed and confused on Casca's behalf. Give the poor woman a moment to breathe! Maybe I'm reading into this too much, but it almost felt like Miura was commenting on the whole idea of having Casca back, and how, as readers, we're simultaneously wanting her to be reunited with Guts and "normal" again, when really, she needs time to process what's happened to her. In some ways, maybe we're like Danan, poofing poor Casca into a wedding dress in our minds! :ganishka:

But it was Miura that put that in our minds! Not even Aaz predicted Danan would wiggle her nose and betwitch Casca a magic gown. It was already naturally bizzare as you said, but Miura turned it up a notch with that. In retrospect that should have been a big red flag, but it was so deliberately over-the-top (I was actually concerned it was going to be too twee =), and on top of our own wave of good vibrations seeing Casca like that, and not a hint of negativity where Guts was concerned, it just seemed like it was really happening and crescendoing to that moment as they walked towards one another. It was a brilliant fakeout because, one, Miura doesn't usually do them, and two, we already KNEW it wasn't going to be that easy; we've literally been talking about it for years! Yet, he somehow managed to subvert our long established expectations by rolling out the red carpet for us, to consider and to some degree anticipate this perfect reunion, before completely pulling it out from under our feet! :ganishka: :mozgus: :judo:

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 20, 2018, 08:49:27 PM »
I'd not be surprise if we happen to see Skullknight :SK: in the very near future now : maybe to keep the group updated about Femto's doing ?

More like, "I told you so." :badbone:

Anyway, I'm still not over that gut(s) punch Miura set up so cruelly with that ridiculous dress and everything; this is the most evil shit he's ever drawn! :ganishka:

Love that solo page of Guts coming towards her though, like a poster. The Griffith thing was unexpected and therefore even more effectively nightmarish than any of the Eclipse stuff at this point. Bravo. :ubik: And also boo because this legitimately hurt my feelings. :griffnotevil:

Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Movies you've recently watched
« on: March 20, 2018, 03:33:05 PM »
Again I disagree, I don't actually mind the organic web shooters, thats not the only way to show him being a genius, in Spider-man 1 we spend about 15-20 minutes in high school before he graduates and in those 20 minutes he makes a mess in the cafeteria, beats up Flash, etc but we never see him act intelligently in an academic setting. We do see him in Spider-man 2 answering some questions with Professor Connors but not to any level where his intellect is clearly above average, that "Raindrops Keep Fallin On My Head" montage that follows soon after again depicts him as a doofus.

We don't see him inventing something amazing or anything (except his suit I guess), but he's clearly depicted as an intellectually gifted nerd that has the awe of his peers and respect and admiration of his seniors (Osborn, Conners, Octavius). I would have believed that Parker could build web-shooters before Garfield's cool skater boy any day.

compared to Raimi and Webb's iterations I think it was the most well rounded depiction of Spider-man.
As of right now, I do think Maguire's Spider-man is a better written character (despite the flaws I have with it) but thats simply because he's had 3 films to evolve, Holland's character in my opinion is starting with stronger foundations to develop in future films so I think that he has the most potential

I mean, I thought Holland's Spider-Man was the best yet just after his Civil War guest shot, but the character somehow didn't translate as well to his solo movie because in some ways he was taking a step backward, the overabundance of teen awkwardness, exuberance, and incompetence, so it was a bit frustrating. He was pitch-perfect in Civil War, but I think they had the advantage of just needing him to show up and act like Spider-Man rather than have conflicts and an arc. So, for better or worse, he was a realistic teenage Spider-Man, and he probably will, if he doesn't already, have the most depth, except...

I do think its a key aspect to his character that shouldn't be completely ignored, if only so that the film can work in its own right as a film, lets just assume for a minute that someone out there doesn't know about Uncle Ben dying, the film failing to address it in some meaningful way (besides him mentioning Aunt May got sad after his uncle died) that adds to his pathos means the film fundamentally lacks one of Peter's key motivators in life, we as an audience who are familiar with the 50+ year mythology are aware but an adaption shouldn't depend on supposed common knowledge to make short cuts.

As is, Peter's sole motivator in the whole film is to impress Tony which I find pretty weak, just 20 seconds of Ben's voice during the scene where Peter lifts up the rubble would have been enough imo so maybe Im nitpicking but I dunno, I think its pretty important.

Yeah, I agree it's strange he basically NEVER brings up Ben or even seems sad or personally motivated by it considering he's still freshly Spider-Man. I wouldn't have wanted to hear Ben if they weren't including him otherwise (and then you're getting into flashback territory), but just Pete mentioning how important he was at some point would have been appropriate.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 20, 2018, 03:13:37 PM »

That was mean. Great stuff obviously, loved ALMOST every moment, seemed TOO good even :carcus:, as she beautifully, idyllically walks towards Guts and we think it's really happening and better than we ever imagined and we see him isolated and think how he'll feel and then things start to shift and is that her pupil or oh no not the eclipse then BOOM giant Griffith corpse body and scream... Boo! :judo:

But yeah, a great and affecting episode as expected.

Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Movies you've recently watched
« on: March 20, 2018, 04:42:31 AM »
I haven't seen Homecoming or Guardians of the Galaxy 2. My current plan is to watch 3 MCU films per week leading up to Infinity War. So those first 2 weeks? Pretty fun. Next 2 weeks? Not so fun. Last 3 weeks? Very unfun  :rickert:

Oh, I forgot about Guardians 2, which I enjoyed, but hasn't stuck with me and isn't groundbreaking or anything. Anyway, I don't know that it'll be that bad, I broke it up and the distribution of fun, not so fun, and very unfun is pretty balanced:

Iron Man - Fun
The Incredible Hulk - Not So Fun
Iron Man 2 - Very Unfun

Thor - Not So Fun
Captain America: The First Avenger - Fun
Marvel's The Avengers - Fun

Iron Man 3 - Very Unfun
Thor: The Dark World - Very Unfun
Captain America: The Winter Soldier - Fun

Guardians of the Galaxy - Fun
Avengers: Age of Ultron - Not So Fun
Ant-Man - Fun

Captain America: Civil War - Fun
Doctor Strange - ???
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - Fun

Spider-Man: Homecoming - Fun
Thor: Ragnarok - Not So Fun (but really, fun is kinda exactly what it is =)
Black Panther - ???

Upon further consideration this is a difficult rating system because even the less ambitious ones like Ant-Man are "fun" if nothing else. Well, except the Thor and Iron Man sequels.

I agree with the Marvel/Superhero fatigue being expressed here, it'll take a lot more for most Marvel movies now to impress me compared to the first phase since the formality of it all is really starting to make viewing each new film a repetitive experience, I do however disagree with you Griffith on Spider-man Homecoming, I think its one of the best Marvel movies in years (up there with Iron Man, the Avengers, Winter Soldier and GotG 1 imo) and debatably the best Spidey film yet since it felt the most true to his character (I'd have it tied with Spider-man 2, with Spider-man 1 being 2nd/3rd best and Spider-man 3, Amazing and Amazing 2 being all crap).

Objectively, it's probably up there with Spidey 1, but that movie basically invented the modern Marvel movie and this is doing it for the umpteenth time, it's preceisely that fatigue you spoke of that underwhelmed me. Actually, it felt like a movie with no ambitions other than to showcase Spider-Man the character. It's just sort of hanging out with him for two hours, which is cool in its own way, but doesn't make for great drama. It also hurts that almost every set piece was reminiscent of one I've seen from all the other Spidey movies! Actually, what set it apart was him fucking up and falling and shit. That was good and would have added realism if the animation were a bit more convincing than Raimi's from over a decade ago.

Anyway, my updated Spidey-Ranks:

Spider-Man 2 - Best standalone Spidey movie and among the greats of the genre, and doesn't address web fluid/shooters at all so technically comic accurate in a vacuum. =)
Spider-Man - Was an amazing leap forward and great in its time. Pretty much laid the groundwork for ALL of this. Edit out Macy Gray for a web-shooter scene in the suit montage and it's perfect!
Spider-Man: Homecoming - Sort of combines the strengths of both the Raimi and Webb movies in an even spunkier package, but is also highly derivative and not very ambitious.
The Amazing Spider-Man - A different take on Spidey, more grounded, more hip, less fun, but has some strengths and heart.
The Amazing Spider-Man 2 - Uh, Spidey's suit looks accurate, but the CGI was a bit weightless and the rest was even worse.
Spider-Man 3 - The infamous and still worst, yet I think it's still the highest grossing Spidey (give Raimi another chance =)! Cut out the symbiote and Venom stuff Raimi didn't want to do and it's probably ok.

In the Sam Raimi movies they nailed the nerdy aspect to his character but overall Peter himself was too much of a doofus, they express that he's a genius but its never really explicitly shown, in Amazing they did a better job at portraying Spider-man's smartass attitude

I mean, I feel like the semi-loud case against Maguire's Peter as off is pretty overstated and contradictory. He's plenty a smartass with the quips and like you said, if anything, they go overboard on how smart he is. Also, "his genius not being shown" is simply coded language for "organic web-shooters." =) Anyway, more importantly they did a good job creating a sympathetic and relatable cinematic interpretation of Parker that could carry a movie or three for the audience, which nobody has pulled off since. If Parker is supposed to be the kid reading the comic, Raimi/Maguire's version was certainly enough like the people watching the movies that it worked big time.

In contrast, Homecoming shows a Peter whose an anxious teenager, has strong convictions (I loved the short montage scene where he does lil mundane things like save cats from trees and help old ladies across the street, demonstrates perfectly how he's the "friendly neighbourhood" Spider-man), struggles with his inexperience as a hero and every day school boy, his intellect is undermined by his dependence on Tony but I'd still say it balances the genius/doofus side to his character better than past iterations.

Garfield's didn't leave much impression and Holland's is on point, especially in Civil War, but we'll see if it amounts to anything besides him acting like a flustered Peter all the time because it was almost a bit much in Homecoming (I'm sure he'll become more badass as the character ages, and they have a real opportunity to develop him like no other). But right now I'm not getting the same strong sense of identity, for better or worse, that Maguire's certainly had.

Michael Keaton's Vulture was also one of the best MCU villains to date (not that that's saying much but still) and up there with Doc Ock as far as on screen Spidey villains go.

I thought Keaton was good, but under-written/utilized. Despite the obvious cheese factor, Dafoe's Goblin is the only big screen Spidey villain that really measured up as a memorable adversary. He actually seemed like a real threat simply because he was actually threatening him and provided a real foil for Peter and Spider-Man. Doc Ock did that for Peter, but his cheesiness in the fights kind of clashed with that, whereas Dafoe was leaning into it so hard it worked. :ganishka:

I have my issues with it like Iron Man being the key motivator for him to get out of the rubble rather than a memory of Uncle Ben or something (I wish Uncle Ben had more of a presence in the movie but don't get me wrong, I don't want nor expect another redoing of the origin, simply hearing Ben's voice in Peter's inner monologue rather than Tony would've been enough for me, Peter's infatuation with Tony undermines Ben too much in my eyes who should still serve a minor role in the MCU's first Spidey movie)

If I may switch sides for a moment, my defense of that is this isn't supposed to be some perfect ideal iteration of Spider-Man (ahem, Spider-Man 2), but a working version that fits perfectly into and "lives in" the MCU, so he doesn't have to be all uncle Ben/"responsibility," because we all already know that, but he does need to have a relationship with Iron Man, etc.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 20, 2018, 03:27:40 AM »
I enjoy these Berserk art deep dives, and am partial to the Conviction and latter Millennium Falcon Arcs art styles myself (early MF is good too, but a transition), so much so I checked out the Berserk reddit thread on the subject (like the first time I've read it besides Wally's posts =), saw that 'shop, and I'm no one to criticize monkeying with Miura's work for fun, but I think essentially clone stamping Casca's, er "Elaine's," pre-awakening face on is missing the point that Miura is apparently attempting to convey a much more dramatic difference here by alluding to what almost seems like a modern interpretation of her physical appearance from the Golden Age (not a bad choice for a new beginning). One can't know for sure until we see more of her, but so far that's two out of two depictions heavily giving off that vibe. Whether it's for the effect of her return or a permanent change (and Griffith had similar permutations before settling into a consistent model, which I think we'll see evolve here too over time) it's clearly intentional and, ya know, the artistry in the artwork and what makes it "alive" rather than just a copy/paste job of her most recent character model. If people want to interpret it literally, think of how different one can look depending on their mood and expression (think Daniel Day Lewis =). Casca's essentially been a different person for years, it actually makes a lot of sense she would look like a different one now.

Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Movies you've recently watched
« on: March 19, 2018, 05:32:50 PM »
Then again, I've had Marvel fatigue since Age of Ultron. I did really enjoy Black Panther, and Infinity War looks like it may actually have some teeth.

I think the last one I liked or was impressed by was Civil War, which sort of felt like the darker, more introspective Avengers sequel AoU failed to be. I haven't seen Panther yet, probably won't see Doctor Strange, and just saw Spider-Man: Homecoming this weekend, which was similarly underwhelming given its reputation. I mean, it was fine, but low stakes, casual, and by the numbers Marvel at this point (almost like a sitcom), and probably the third or fourth best Spider-Man movie I've seen (fifth counting Civil War =). Basically, for all the "Marvel homecoming" hype, and the promise the character showed in Civil War, the movie did little to distinguish itself from those that came before it.

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 355
« on: March 19, 2018, 03:36:42 PM »
Well, that's definitely interesting and pretty cool that we're getting right to it! Also, I'm amazed how different Casca looks now, it could just be the liveliness of her eyes but it makes her whole face look different. Also, Casca's first words in about two decades(!) and yet the lamest stuff pleases me: We can now semi-officially retroactively refer to Casca's broken phase as the "Elaine Era." Nice and clean. :ganishka:

Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Albums for Desert Island
« on: March 18, 2018, 03:53:31 AM »
I want to propose a variation on this theme:

If you could only listen to the music of one artist, all collaborative and solo work included, who would you choose?*

You could simply pick your favorite, or one that's eclectic and prolific so you still get a lot of variety to choose from, or even more to that extreme you could pick somebody, maybe even a relative studio unknown, that worked with everybody over a long period of time, like a human random playlist.

My pick: Frank Zappa.

*They have to write or perform on the music, so you can't just pick Quincy Jones or something. =)

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 354
« on: March 17, 2018, 04:47:43 AM »
I don't think Miura would be foolish enough to further delay the biggest moment of the series to date, one we've literally waited over a decade for, the most anticipated event since the eclipse and what will be so satisfying for many of us after all these years to finally see the coronation. Maybe we could see Casca's reaction or something.

Video Games / Re: Games to look forward to!
« on: March 07, 2018, 06:25:44 PM »
Obviously this game is a stay away, but in that vein ("we played it so you don't have to"), this review is a must-read for Metal Gear fans:

Let’s not beat around the bush: Metal Gear Survive is the story of a loyal soldier left behind by their boss and tossed into a hellscape of reused Phantom Pain assets where they must build some type of meaningful existence out of the accumulated debris.
"Why are we still here? Just to suffer?"
Metal Gear Survive comes off as a cry for help. Its team is comprised of series veterans as well as key artists and designers from other abandoned Konami franchises. The game’s distinctive zombies were created by Silent Hill creature designer Masahiro Ito, famed for his design of the iconic Pyramid Head. Ito’s designs feel wasted in Metal Gear Survive. Producer Yuji Korekado has worked on the series since Metal Gear Solid and pushed back against Kojima during the production of Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots. An easter egg in the game seemingly refers to him as “Cunning Yuji.” Metal Gear Survive feels fractured, a product of disparate minds forced to cobble together a Metal Gear game that will capture players in an unceasing spiral of grinding and toil. It is a torture device that not even Hieronymus Bosch could have conceived of.
As angry as this game may make Metal Gear fans, the game itself seems even angrier. This is illustrated by how Survive uses a key piece of series iconography: the Metal Gear. Throughout the series, Metal Gear units fulfill a variety of narrative and thematic functions. Metal Gear Solid, the third game in the series, introduced Metal Gear REX, a walking battle tank that used a railgun to launch undetectable nukes. Much as the move to PlayStation marked the series’ transition into the “solid” realm of 3D, REX marked a paradigm shift within Metal Gear’s world fiction where weapons and technology supplant flesh and blood soldiers. Metal Gear Solid 2’s Metal Gear RAY was designed to destroying derivative Metal Gear units based on Metal Gear REX. That game was all about deconstructing Metal Gear Solid, and RAY was a manifestation of that destructive, subversive impulse. Metal Gear units are always more than just giant mechs—they are symbols intimately tied to each game’s thematic goals.

In Metal Gear Survive, the only Metal Gear the player encounters is the ruined corpse of Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain’s Metal Gear Sahelanthropus. The flagship mech of Kojima’s final directorial hurrah is broken and gathering dust. It is the job of the player, the job of one of the remaining Mother Base soldiers, to revive Sahelanthropus for a climactic battle against the Lord of Dust, the massive nano-tech giant controlling the game’s zombies. Through reviving one of the last remnants of Kojima’s final stand, loyal players annihilate an icon of mindless consumption hell bent on ruining the Metal Gear universe. Survive’s endgame has been devoted to preventing the Lord of Dust from carrying out a perpetual cycle that destroys everything the player has ever known. When the player takes aim using Sahelanthropus’ restored rail cannon, the Lord of Dust’s weak point might as well be a glowing Konami logo.


Couldn't they have just released Mission 51 instead, or put it in here as a throw in? I'd have much rather and more likely paid for that. I guess that's what was really meant by "the phantom pain."

Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Albums for Desert Island
« on: March 07, 2018, 06:07:03 AM »
By the mid-80s, he was arguably already a better guitarist than any of his contemporaries from the Big 4 of thrash metal. And I don't just mean in terms of guitar playing and knowledge of cool techniques, but also in terms of the tone. He had already worked out what kind of amps, pre-amps, pickups and other gear he needed in order to obtain that thick, screaming guitar sound.

I'm a tone agnostic, it's in the ear of the beholder, either in your head or in your hands, but in any case no doubt Dimebag had it and was one of the best. I'd make an all-around case for Mustaine's combination of innovation, writing, rhythm, and soloing, but it's kind of hard to fairly rate anyone, especially a cock like Dave, against a legend that was tragically taken before their time.

I can only wish that the '80s-era Megadeth and Metallica albums had that same crunchy, beefy guitar tones that the Pantera albums from the '80s already had. As much as "Hot and Heavy" sucked musically, that song actual had better production values than, say, "Mechanix" or "Blackened."

Yeah, but you'd rather have the music be good than the production, and the production on Kill, Ride, Master (!), Peace Sells and Rust are just fine, and Justice works as what it is. Rough production can have its charm too, but Metallica in particular flushed themselves down the toilet chasing that ghost ("durr, we're the richest metal band ever, let's sound bad on purpose!"). Spending half your production money on heroin and using it while recording is the way to get that good-bad sound! :ganishka:

Speaking of which, if you haven't already listen to Megadeth's infamous 2004 remasters of Killing is My Business, Peace Sells, and So Far, So Good... So What (but no more after that). I can't say they have great tone, but you asked for better production and it's pretty amazing how much he rehabilitated those tracks that they sound like new albums on par with Rust in Peace in the crazy guitars department, but they still have a bit of that rough, punkier edge. Just listen to the aggressive guitars and vocals come through on the remastered Killing is My Business:

And the aforementioned Mechanix:

It's like an attempted assault through music, and given his feelings about Metallica at the time, it likely was.

If Dimebag joined Megadeth, songs like "Hangar 18" and "Sweating Bullets" would've had way more bluesier guitar solos, played with Dime's distinctly Texan swagger. Not to mention, Mustaine probably would've forced Dimebag to stay slim and trim (did you know that Dime's weight ballooned from the svelte 160 pounds in 1990 to over 270 pounds by 1998?). With all due respect to Nick Menza (RIP), Vinnie Paul was a superior drummer. Dave could've just demoted Nick back to his old drum tech position, and hired Vinnie.

I'm guessing it was more about Nick already being owed drummer money and Dave being too cheap to eat it! Plus, it's not like Marty Friedman was a slouch, and a better fit for Megadeth's style, and of course Pantera is essential as well. So, the more great bands the better and all's well that ended well there. Plus, none of these guys would have been able to get along, particularly with Dave; it's just a chance for him to say, "I almost had the best band EVER... twice!" I bet Dimebag would have enjoyed playing like 11 solos on Hanger 18 though.

While the 'Pantera's fortunes may have skyrocketed in the '90s, during that same decade, Phil's vocals steadily degraded with each consecutive Pantera album. By Far Beyond Driven, Phil's soaring multi-octave singing voice from the Power Metal and Cowboys from Hell was reduced to a raspy, barely comprehensible croak. Lemmy was like twice Phil's age by that point and he had a better voice than Phil. Hell, even Rex Brown criticized him for letting his voice go like that.

Also the not as obvious reason Metallica sucked the last 20 years, because Hetfield's vocals did. Glad he/they figured it out on that Dio medley and the last album.

What did you and Walter think of Kiss Land? Its often forgotten about since its not as good as Trilogy and wasn't as poppy and commercially successful as Beauty Behind The Madness or Starboy but I think its pretty underrated all considering.

I'm with Wally, nothing after Trilogy really grabbed me. It was like that transfixing weirdness got turned down with the improved pop sensibilities and it messed up the recipe for me.

In regards to Megadeth, my thoughts exactly, couldn't have said it better myself. Metallica may very well be the quintessential metal band in the eyes of many and at one point in time, they undeniably were but Megadeth has always appealed to me more for being as you say the pure uncut shit.

Just a normal guy, singing from the point of view of a Polaris nuclear missile blast:

Putting a bow on the last two points, even at Megadeth's pop peak in the 90s, it was still just weird as hell!

Thanks a lot for the thorough review/analysis of Self-Destruct, I can tell you're quite passionate about the subject, metal isn't my go to genre but I respect it a lot as a casual listener so your attention to detail doesn't go unnoticed. I'll give the album a listen, I did like the 3 singles you linked so I'm optimistic despite their last few releases.

Thanks and you're welcome, the first half of the album is strong. If they'd just released that plus Spit out the Bone it might have been less is more and definitely more akin to their 80s oeuvre. Others worth checking out:

Atlas, Rise!
Dream No More (cool vid under the influence) -
ManUnkind (pretty much just for the weird Mayhem themed video) -

This is kind of how I feel too  :troll: I do try to listen to new stuff pretty regularly, but rarely does it actually resonate with me. House of Balloons did though. Shoutout to you though for turning me on to metal and associated music. While I couldn't follow you to Megadeth, I did find a ton of great albums through you, and rediscovered my love of early Metallica (Master of Puppets is my favorite still, easily).

Easily still the best, and they were just coming into their peak form too. As transcendent as that album seemingly is, if Burton didn't die I wonder if they might have churned out two or three more albums in that vein just on inertia (you can still hear them fucking around just enjoying themselves on it, goddamnit). They pretty much put everything they had left into Justice after that.

Oh I know, I just couldn't resist. And FUCK there's a trilogy of these?!?

Yup, there's been one on every other album since The Black Album. They kind of have to do Un4given now, right? :guts:

My parents listened to garbage ( no, this was well before Shirley Manson) when they listened to anything at all, so music wasn't a big part of my life until I was old enough to buy my own CDs.

As a kid I would literally tell my mom "I hate music!" and shut off the radio in the car. I realized later it was because she was putting on KBIG 104 adult contemporary trash where the coolest thing you might hear is Sweet Dreams by the Eurythmics among a bunch of Sting solo stink and the like (at least put on The Police :judo:).

Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Albums for Desert Island
« on: March 06, 2018, 05:10:55 AM »
Oh wow, I wouldn't have guessed you for a Weeknd fan Walter, thats cool, Trilogy is definitely his best work so I can agree with that.

I should mention that thanks to Walter turning me on to The Weeknd back when he was releasing the Trilogy albums free I totally scored cool points with my student employees when I could identify his music back in the day before he blew up, "You know the Weeknd, David!?" That's right kids, sometimes I hear stuff that turns out to be cool, now back to very specific yet hugely played out 80's thrash metal for me.

WOW! Has the black album fallen out of favor? Well NOW YOURE UNNNFORGIVVVENNN 222222222222222-

Sorry, just missed the cut, only one album from the 90s allowed and Rust in Peace has it on lock:

And Unnnnforrrrrgiveeeeen Toooooooo is from Reload, smart aleck! Now you're Undforgiven Three... which is sadly real and doesn't even feature the made up word "unforgiven!"

I've mostly been indifferent/impartial towards Metallica over the years but I do like their early releases (so out of their catalogue, I'd agree with the ones you chose) and I love Megadeth.

Oh, Megadeth is the pure, uncut shit. You know, they'll never beat them on the charts or in the public consciousness, but they basically equaled Metallica in the 80's (YMMV), surpassed them for good in the 90's, and it's been no contest at all since the 2000s, and Metallica's my favorite band. Dave Mustaine lost every battle but has secretly won the war.

What did you think of " Self-Destruct"? (Again with the liberal use of ellipsis  :troll:), I haven't listened to it but I've heard mixed things about it, varying from it being much better than most of their recent releases and it being mediocre and non-comparable to their old work.

Twist my arm... the answer is it's both! Not a classic album but a non-embarrassing return to form(s) that kind of covers everything they've done/do. About a third of the tracks are fun thrashy throwbacks, another third meander into mid-tempo mediocrity, and the rest are ok rockers. "Hardwired" is their best straight ahead thrasher since "Dyer's Eve," "Atlas, Rise!" is a "Four Horsemen"/"Master of Puppets" clone, "Now That We're Dead" is basically a wannabe "Enter Sandman," "Moth Into Flame" is probably the album's best and most original, "Dreaming No More" is a super heavy successor to "The Thing That Should Not Be," "Halo on Fire" is very classic rock and maybe the proggiest offering, "Confusion" has some good riffs (the opening is totally Mario 3 airship music =) but is like some weird red state rock and Hetfield sings when he needs screams ("Disposable Heroes" it is NOT), "ManUNkind" is like a Load cut, "Here Comes Revenge" Reload, "Am I Savage?" is like another enjoyable Black Album reject, "Murder One" sucks (sorry Lemmy, they should have played it more like you), and "Spit Out the Bone" is the other standout track and pretty much a microcosm of their career, like a life in the day of Metallica. They're all listenable though because the main difference between this and the their output since the 90s is Hetfield has his voice back on this one and the production isn't fucked up trying some stupid gimmick.

What, no Diamond Head? Without their underground metal classic "Am I Evil?", neither 'deth nor 'tallica would exist today  :femto:

You got a nice list there, and of course I'd take a version of Kill 'Em All with the Garage Days Revisited "Am I Evil?" and "Blitzkrieg" covers on them. :carcus: You didn't include Diamond Head either, but if you're going to have Pantera after they started dressing thrash and acting all hard with Phil you should also include some of their truly authentic 80s discography:

From "Ride my rocket!" to "You ain't got the balls, son!" :ganishka:

Eh, I'm just jealous the same band (well, not quite) that wrote Metal Magic also took Metallica's corner in the 90s while they were doing a bad Corrosion of Conformity impression. Did you know Dave Mustaine almost hired Dimebag to be his guitarist but lost him because Vinnie was part of the deal and he already had Nick Menza under contract? Holy shit!

Anyway, when I crawl out of my 80s cave and listen to something a little more contemporary I like to listen to Dave Davidson's Revocation because... they're just metal, like every kind of metal at once:

Even more impressive as a power trio:

Movies, TV, Books & Music / Re: Albums for Desert Island
« on: March 06, 2018, 03:02:52 AM »
Here's the ten albums I listen to in my car all the time anyway:

1982 Metallica - No Life 'Til Leather
1983 Metallica - Kill 'Em All
1984 Metallica - Ride the Lightning
1985 Megadeth - Killing is My Business... And Business is Good
1986 Metallica - Master of Puppets
1986 Megadeth - Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?
1987 Metallica - Garage Days Re-Revisited
1988 Megadeth - So Far... So Good... So What!
1988 Metallica - And Justice For All...
1990 Megadeth - Rust in Peace

You've probably noticed a pattern here... I love liberal use of the ellipsis. :carcus:

Video Games / Re: What Are You Playing?
« on: March 05, 2018, 05:30:40 PM »
Crash or no, that was never going to end well.  :ganishka: I didn't play it, but I heard a lot of utterly hilarious anecdotal things about it through coverage. Even without the launch bugs, the story is just a fucking mess. Combat is apparently good, but if you can't get invested in the story, then the gravitas of missions is utterly deflated.

Yeah, I was giving it a chance despite all that for old time's sake, dreaming of cruising planets again in the Mako on a much grander scale, and couldn't have been more immediately and decisively disappointed. It would just display a black screen with occasional pixel artifacts flashing, and while I briefly looked for solutions I'd already had it for a while and didn't want to miss the return window while troubleshooting a bad game that was already fighting me in the worst way. Couldn't have lived more down to its reputation!

Video Games / Re: What Are You Playing?
« on: March 05, 2018, 05:10:58 PM »
Maybe I'll check The Breach out as well...

I was going to give Mass Effect: Andromeda a try since I love the trilogy and the price was right, but couldn't even get it to boot up! I made the refund deadline this time and feel more like I dodged a bullet than missed out.

C'est la vie.

Podcast / Re: SkullKast: Episode 93
« on: March 05, 2018, 06:26:28 AM »
Haha, of course, that's why it was such a great moment. =)

I still think it's mostly the visceral nature of this :rickert: than the deeper implications. So good. :guts:

Podcast / Re: SkullKast: Episode 93
« on: March 04, 2018, 03:05:30 AM »
Of course, if we had been recording Berserk podcasts back in 2010, you'd have heard me wishing for Ganishka, in his death throes, to be able to leave a scar on Griffith's face  :ganishka: :griffnotevil: (I still think that would have been cool, but it would have utterly neutered the power of Rickert's moment).
More importantly, it would have gone against one of the key aspects of Ganishka's character: that he was ultimately a pawn, playing his part in a story that went over his head. And that cemented something we astute readers already knew: no apostle, regardless of how strong they are, can hope to defy the God Hand.

This is late to your conversation though better than never, but putting those points together highlights the somewhat amazing fact that humble little Rickert, human and not even branded, was able to do something no Kushan arrow, Bakiraka assassin, rogue Apostle or even Guts himself has been capable of thus far: to strike the heretofore untouchable Griffith. No wonder he had to die. :femto:

Just wait until Guts finds out, "I'll slap him... with THIS!" :guts:

Video Games / Re: What Are You Playing?
« on: March 02, 2018, 10:10:39 PM »
In the days of my childhood I used to play the original Battlefront II on my PlayStation 2 with my younger brother against AI opponents. Those were good days!

Indeed, that was the REAL Battlefront II. I bet that'd be more fun than this one now, though I won't be putting that claim to the test despite owning both. :ganishka:

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