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I'm not on reddit a whole lot but my username is walterbennet  :griffnotevil:

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Podcast / Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Episode 90
« on: December 06, 2017, 04:20:31 AM »
Good work guys now get back to work.  I reckon I ain't had no Berserk podcast in quite some time. 

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Berserk Miscellaneous / You assholes have been on reddit this whole time?
« on: December 06, 2017, 04:17:45 AM »
I don't know what to believe anymore.

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Video Games / Re: Games to look forward to!
« on: December 06, 2017, 04:04:37 AM »
The bearded fellow's shaking technique is superb.

Congrats on the Santa Void. 

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Character Cove / Re: Guts Turns Down Ganishka
« on: December 06, 2017, 03:48:14 AM »
Compelling point BUT Guts had no idea what he was up against at the time.  His brain said just keep swinging and you'll make it out of this.  In the Ganishka scenario he knows better and he had all of his friends (including Casca) standing right behind him and he didn't even hesitate to tell the biggest, baddest apostle to date to take a hike.

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Video Games / Re: Games to look forward to!
« on: December 06, 2017, 03:44:45 AM »
Man, kids are hilarious.  The concept of time is completely lost on them.  I busted out my Wii to play with my 4 year old daughter.  It is softmodded with a bajillion games so, of course, she picks Babysitting Mama.  Apparently there is a doll that comes with the game that has a slot for a wiimote.  Obviously, I dont have this doll so we had to hollow out a baby doll and stuff a Wiimote into the thing.  I think we had more fun trying to get the controller into the doll than playing the game.  I don't think she's gonna be much of a gamer but oh well at least I tried.   

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Character Cove / Guts Turns Down Ganishka
« on: December 06, 2017, 03:30:13 AM »
I was re-reading volume 31 last night and I wanted to nominate the moment Guts turns down Ganishka as his most suicidal. 

Ganishka appears as a demigod, filling the sky and raining down lightning.  Guts barely manages to survive 3 attacks before Ganishka offers him a job at which point Guts just flat out refuses.  He was laying there on the dock, unable to move, and he's talking shit to a giant lightning god.  If Griffith had not attacked at that moment the story would be over.  When Guts rages and tries to attack the God Hand that feels perfectly natural.  When he instantly turns down Ganishka without any knowledge of his power that is some serious balls.

Anyway, this is a bit random, but realized that I can't recall him acting more rashly and it really sums up Guts' spirit in a few pages.  Is there another time he acted more rashly?  Let me know.

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 352
« on: December 06, 2017, 03:10:03 AM »
Merry Christmas to us

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Video Games / Re: Games to look forward to!
« on: December 06, 2017, 03:09:31 AM »
Looks interesting.  It's widescreen and I think that's a first for the classic variants, and this makes Mega Man's sprite look smaller.  It looks like the model changes when you switch weapons and I like it  :ubik:.  The art style could be distracting during intense moments, but it looks like they are trying to limit the number of enemies on screen.

I want to be excited, but the most notable part of this game will likely be its title.     

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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Dark Horse Releases
« on: November 17, 2017, 03:46:37 AM »
Having resolved that I am probably never getting some of my loaned volumes back I bought a few of the digital releases.  I have a Surface Pro, which can be used as a tablet, and it has a native resolution of 2736x1824.  The scans easily hold up on that resolution and I spent so much time zooming around looking at little details without seeing any artifacts.  There is an option to read panel-by-panel which is a bit hit or miss but when it works well it is quite a treat.  As far as I know the digital versions require an internet connection so that is definitely a bummer.  At this point I'm sure most of us are used to reading new episodes digitally, so if you don't mind the format then it's a great way to support the series.

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Speculation Nation / Re: So i have this theory
« on: October 26, 2017, 10:24:36 AM »
I like the idea that Puck is slowly transforming the beherit into something new or some sort of anti-Beherit.  If we're getting crazy here then maybe one day the Beherit starts returning Puck's affection or even starts "talking" to him and giving him inside info.  Maybe Puck has influenced the Beherit enough for it to become the missing component for SK's weaponized collection to work effectively. 

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Video Games / Re: What Are You Playing?
« on: October 03, 2017, 10:19:05 PM »
Yeah mobile games are gross and I have never gotten into it.   There are a bunch of competitive multiplayer titles doing things similar to mobile with crates, loot, leveling, etc.  Games like DOTA 2 are so complex they can become all consuming if you wanna be any good at them.  These games feel more like hobbies unto themselves rather than an industry genre. 

I just don't have the time anymore.  Took the better part of this year to finish up Witcher 3 and the dlc.  I have been playing my Saturn lately after I got a phoebe and it's quickly becoming one of my favorite consoles.

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Video Games / Re: What Are You Playing?
« on: October 03, 2017, 12:35:07 PM »
That game is more than 20 years old, and it's incredible to me how they nailed a single/multiplayer RPG, seemingly on the first pass.

I see developers these days talking about game play loops and player feedback systems.  It just seems too sterile or as if they are trying to manufacture a new type of drug that will addict the player in a responsible and satisfactory way.  I think hardware constraints and a spirit of exploration (rather than refinement) are why these older games feel so good to play today.  Plus every damn game these days is so overblown and massive that its refreshing to just hand the controller to the kids and actually play the game.

I'm curious how your son likes playing with a controller.  My little one is pretty overwhelmed by the controller since she's used to touch inputs at this point but she loves the art style of Rayman, so we give it a try from time to time. 

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Character Cove / Re: The Beast & Dog/Wolf Themes in Berserk
« on: October 02, 2017, 03:44:31 PM »
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Out of everything you list here, the actual solid dog references are the ones I mentioned to buttonmasher before you even posted in this thread.

To be clear, I made those points in my 2nd post in this thread.

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I think you're positing that throughout childhood, Guts subconsciously cultivated a self-image related to dogs that was then distorted after the Eclipse to become the Beast of Darkness.  I can see how that may sound convincing to some. But examine any scene where Guts and dogs are involved, and the connection loses grounding. You're searching for tangible traces of the Beast in Guts' past, which you believe influenced the form it ultimately takes. But I don't think such a thing exists, and it does not need to exist.

This smartly condenses my point exactly.  Although you don't agree, I am very happy to see that you do completely understand the case I was making.

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Character Cove / Re: The Beast & Dog/Wolf Themes in Berserk
« on: September 30, 2017, 07:51:26 PM »
Jeez, I get it - you hate this idea.  I'm not trying to dumb anything down, I'm trying to point something out that seemed rather obvious to me.  I chose examples off the top of my head and said I could look for more and the thread proceeded from there.  This wasn't meant to be deep analysis or earth quaking revelation but instead pointing out what seemed to be a motif.  How does equating these characters with animal aspects dumb the series down?  I made the comparison to Femto out of frustration.  That's just one layer, one idea, one way of looking at it.  That's why I said I was taking the 30,000 ft view.

Just PLEASE consider this for a moment. - although you think the idea of Gambino's dog having anything to do with the beast is just completely hilarious, are there really no valid points being made in my entire argument?  If you think it's all 100% bullshit then that's fine, we disagree.  I'm not 100% right but I may not be 100% wrong.  The beast is a part of Guts and the way he looks should reflect that.  I'm sorry my idea saddens you but the good news is I'm done with this thread. 

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Character Cove / Re: The Beast & Dog/Wolf Themes in Berserk
« on: September 30, 2017, 02:22:40 AM »
I'm really not trying to be rude, but that is what it sounds like to me still.
Great.

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Well, until he hits it in the face  :void: That scene is far more revealing for Gambino than Guts, so I think its purpose is being misconstrued. It shows that Gambino lashes out at boys and dogs alike (hitting both also causes him anguish, but that's another story), both for acting in terms that he would understand as needy. They're both pulling for a part of him that he can't give, because he's got nothing to give. In any case, that dog does not seem to leave an impression on Guts in any way at all, and I really think you're reading way too much into it.

The dog was kicked.  Guts was sold, raped, and nearly murdered.  Yeah, he feels bad about kicking the dog but I wouldn't say its the same ballpark.  It may not have left an impression on Guts but it leaves an impression on the reader - Gambino is a real son of a bitch who treats his kid worse than his dog.

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That's a cool insight, but I don't see how it relates back to the Beast of Darkness at all. Trying to draw a pattern for the Beast prior to the Eclipse is a slippery slope into obscurity. You can craft such theories as a way to describe Guts' state of mind, but the Beast began after the Eclipse, specifically because it represents the Eclipse's trauma, and his appetite for revenge.

Guts is broken after the eclipse but why can't the early traumas of his life be the fractures along which his mind breaks?  Why does it have to be all or nothing?  We both know why the beast appears so why are we splitting hairs here? 

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In that scene, Guts was fighting for survival, even though his will to live had nearly been broken. That's pretty much it. I think you're embellishing with your attempts at symbolism.

The scenes literally happen back to back and I find it hard to believe there is no symbolic connection.  Guts was fighting for survival, even though his will to live had nearly been broken when he fled the camp, so why the redundant wolf fight?

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Yes, he was upset because she was questioning his bond with the group -- not because he's offended at trash talk. That's the entire point of the scene, and where the discussion goes with Griffith after Casca leaves. It's about Guts actually having changed within the group over the years, a notion which Casca rejects because of her complex over Guts' reckless role in the group. NONE of that has to do with actual animals!
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Context which you have manufactured in this thread, not substantive context as presented in the pages of the story.

Why are you so quick to decide the context?  The Golden Age is an epic flashback, why can't this be significant?  It stuck out to me as the reader.  Yes, Guts is mad because she is questioning him BUT can you not see how calling him a dog might be a sore spot for him?  Does he need a line of exposition about "I really hate being called a dog" for it to be significant?  Miura is detail oriented, maybe I'm wrong but maybe he wrote that on purpose if for no other reason than to put the images of Guts and a dog(beast) into the reader's minds. 

Femto looks like a demonic bird creature.  Surely we can agree on that?  Makes perfect sense given all we know about Griffith.  I'm trying to tell you there is an analogue for why the beast and the armor look the way they do.  Do you think Miura would arbitrarily pick a design for his main character just because it looks cool with zero back story?  Why can't you see this canine aspect of Guts when the point has been driven home in Casca's dream?


To be clear, I've never said the beast is an actual dog!  I've only said it sure as hell looks like one to me and I don't think that's an accident.  I was just trying to connect the dots on what seems to be a theme.  Anyway, I would humbly ask you what, if anything, inspired the look of the beast.?

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Character Cove / Re: The Beast & Dog/Wolf Themes in Berserk
« on: September 29, 2017, 07:51:59 PM »
I had a feeling this would be the response.  I'm taking the 30,000 ft view of the series in a thematic and archetypal way.  I am not just listing pages with dogs on them and saying, "Wow, there sure are a lot of dogs around here, must be important."  I didn't mean for each example to be interpreted in a vacuum in the most literal sense but rather look at how all of these scenes interact to paint a picture of the beast.

Gambino treats Guts like a dog, even going so far as to call him runt and pup.  I mention Gambino's dog because he has more regard for the dog than he does for Guts.  The fight with the wolves happens immediately after Guts is cast out from Gambino's camp.  This fight with the wolves echoes the events from Gambino's camp and literally shows Guts as the "other" not belonging to the pack, perhaps as a dog among wolves, fighting for his life to escape.  It is not a 1:1 symmetry but look at it as an archetypal story and as Guts is slaying those wolves, he is slaying his entire life up until that point.  Guts has been made to feel like a dog, he never decided to emulate them.  He has been raised like a dog, one only useful as a tool.  Continuing with the dog analogy, Guts remained loyal to Gambino right up until it was a life or death decision.

When Casca calls Guts a dog, he got quite upset.  Who do you think he was reminded of when Casca called him a dog?  We can argue about Guts' feelings toward Casca here, but that was painful coming form Casca.  I understand its a common figure of speech BUT we have context so this is more meaningful than just some random insult.  Guts' whole life has been traumatic, not just the eclipse!  The emotional damage giving rise to the beast does not start with the eclipse, and Casca is pointing out the fact that there is something off in the way that Guts fights and thus lives.

Thematically, Guts can be represented by a dog just as easily as Griffith is by the falcon.  Griffith has the eye of the falcon, he sees everything.  His ambition matches his vision and he is a regal, beautiful, and deadly.  The falcon soars alone.  Guts is the dog with no pack.  He's been abused, betrayed and now only understands life in terms of survival.  Griffith earns Guts' trust but uses him as a weapon.  When asked to become an assassin, Guts takes up the job without question because he is loyal and trusts that Griffith sees the way forward (eye of the falcon).  When he overhears Griffith talking about a man worthy of his friendship, Guts realizes that the two of them are living in different worlds (Falcon Vs. Dog).  For these reasons I say Guts was FIGURATIVELY Griffith's loyal dog of war.  War hounds were literally used in real wars same way Guts would engage the enemy.  Guts could never be Griffith's equal (in terms of vision and ambition) until Griffith lost his wings and was forced to crawl in the dirt.  The falcon had seen too much to be pitied by something so lowly as the dog.  Even at the eclipse Guts is trying to rescue Griffith, loyal until he had no choice but to acknowledge betrayal.   

Casca sees Guts as a dog in her dream because that's how Guts has unconsciously lived. She didn't create the image of the dog after careful deliberation, but rather that is the image her mind was able to most easily use to represent him because that's who he is!

As far as the beast not looking like a dog...Come on!  Crop the head off of any picture and asked a friend what animal they are looking at and see what they say.  It's obviously not a literal dog because when has Miura ever not been creative in creature design?  Can we at least agree on 90% canine appearance?  We agree on what the beast represents 100%.  I'm only trying to point out that it isn't a coincidence that it looks like a....DOG   :beast: :ganishka:

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Character Cove / The Beast & Dog/Wolf Themes in Berserk
« on: September 28, 2017, 01:04:49 PM »
I did not start this thread.

There's a lot of subtext with Gambino's dog concerning Guts relationship to Gambino.  Guts first real fight against hopeless odds is against a pack of wolves immediately after being cast out of Gambino's camp.  Casca later calls him a mad dog or something approximating that.  Guts leaves the Falcons to find his own path instead of being Griffith's loyal dog of war (my interpretation given the context).  Most recently we see Guts represented as a dog dragging Casca's coffin in her dream.

I'm not a great writer so I would stumble through a more elaborate explanation, but I'll try if this isn't convincing.  These are the ones that have stuck out to me, I'd have to go look for more examples, but it seems fitting that Guts' "spirit animal" is the canine. 

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Lost Children deals with finding your home and making a place for yourself in the world.  Combine that with slaying demi-apostles who revert back to children upon death and you have a great catalyst for a talk with the beast.  I think its fair to say the events of Lost Children took a serious toll on Guts soul.  The beast didn't "awaken" during the Rosine fight, but it definitely had a lot of influence after those events.  Although I can see your perspective, the form of the beast has been foreshadowed throughout the series with the dog/wolf themes so it isn't exactly out of left field. 

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That was actually kinda terrifying.  I would hate to get that note slid under my door.  :ganishka:


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I truly appreciate the vote of confidence, though I had little thought to what I was doing! I certainly did not think victory was assured and only out of stubbornness and the arrogance of never having lost did I go through with it and think I could possibly beat him on the first strike. I was basically gambling my life, and his if I was successful, on a single sword stroke as Guts did against Zodd (or so he told me). Unfortunately, his strength and skill completely rendered mine moot and he not only broke my sword but had the control, strength and presence of mind to stop his before cutting me down. As you can tell from my expression at the time, I was just as surprised he could do that as anyone (as a matter of fact, I had to bathe and change my undergarments before I went to rape the princess). I understand it was ultimately an act of compassion and friendship, but that mercy only made it more humiliating for someone such as myself. Anyway, thank you for keeping the faith my friend, that is still my only loss as far as I am concerned... and as you say, mayhaps there was a defect in my sword after all... :griffnotevil:

-Griffith

Can you continue to role-play all of your posts going forward?  Thanks.

Sincerely,
Everyone

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Podcast / Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Episode 90
« on: September 03, 2017, 03:28:44 PM »
Awesome stuff, thanks for taking the time to do this episode.  I've been guilty of a few of these misconceptions and these straight forward answers are going to increase the understanding and appreciation of the story for a lot of people.  It's great to hear these board discussions come to life.  It's clear you guys put a lot of work into this!

As I was listening I remembered something that has bothered me for a long time so let me add my own dumb question to the list!  What sort of being is the demon child?  I always imagined the demon child as a spirit that can appear in the corporeal world when near the brands.  It must be true that the child actually possesses a physical aspect since Femto steals it, but where is this body 99% of the time when the child isn't appearing to Guts or Casca to intervene?  Furthermore, was the demon child chosen for the incarnation precisely because it possess a strange hybrid form?  If the child hadn't appeared at the tower then would Femto have been incarnated into some random peasant?  Seems risky (and it does backfire) to use such an unique creature for incarnation if any ordinary flesh will suffice.



 

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Podcast / Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Episode 89
« on: August 05, 2017, 02:24:44 AM »
It would be great hear you elaborate on the threads running through the story.  Often times you touch on the big themes but pull back to stay on track with the volume.  I'd love it if you took time to explore how events are intersecting or how future payoffs are being setup.  You guys did a bit of work trying to straighten out confusion on the events surrounding the incarnation which was excellent!  I would love to hear you guys take on the wacky theories and do a bit of myth busting as you work through the material.

I'd love to hear you all be freed up to explore whatever aspect of Berserk the conversation leads you to.  You already do all these things to a degree so just more please. 

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Podcast / Re: Skullknight.NET Podcast: Episode 89
« on: August 02, 2017, 02:17:03 AM »
Thanks again for taking the time to make these as they are always a pleasure.  This was one of the best I've heard.

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Current Episodes / Re: Episode 350
« on: May 26, 2017, 04:54:23 AM »
It's interesting, when Puck first proposed going to Elfhelm over 15 volumes ago, it was just to find a safe place since Godot's mine was destroyed, it wasn't suggested Casca could actually be cured there until much later, and so became about that. I wonder if Miura always intended it that way but wanted to reveal it in due time, or if, as the story progressed and expanded (say, for example, if he intended Elfhelm to be an earlier stop and stepping stone), he realized that the journey for a safe haven and Casca's recovery should be one and the same.

That's a really great fact that I had completely forgotten.  Not too long ago you guys posted an interview where Miura was talking more of the nuts and bolts of how Berserk gets made.  I had always thought that Miura had this elaborate step-by-step plan for how the story would progress but it seems he is a bit more fluid than I ever would have imagined.  By being so consistent in his excellence he gives himself plenty of wiggle room to work the story into any changes of heart he might encounter.  I honestly don't believe he intended for the distance between trauma and cure to be so lengthy but he discovered how his story needs to unfold.  I feel it shows a lot of courage to take one of your main characters out of the mix for so long because it serves the story rather than the expectations of the fans. 

Seriously, the name of the damn manga is Berserk and given the choice would you rather Guts discover that armor or find a cure for Casca?  I can't help but feel like we are witnessing the event that draws every Berserk fan back into the fold.  I remember all the negativity about the voyage across the sea and the term filler being thrown around with reckless abandon.  I'm not trying to go down a rabbit hole but it is just so crazy that our patience is about to be rewarded handsomely. 

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