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Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: Miura Tribute for Hajime no Ippo 1000th Chapter
« on: December 03, 2012, 05:34:11 AM »
I have a soft spot for the Chiba Tetsuya tribute myself for obvious reasons (not shown above)

But, yes, seeing a tribute by Miura was unexpected enough, but Miura working under George Morikawa in his early years?  Most unexpected, though it sort of makes since they both emerged on the manga scene at roughly the same time (and both ongoing)

Love that attention to detail on Takamura

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: November 28, 2012, 07:46:03 AM »

...ookaay.  I understand that Charolette is experiencing her first erotic experience, but if this is how she reacts to Griffith touching her breast over her clothes, I'm morbidly curious how the rest will play out.

Yeah, the manga scene is too in some respects but given that we have almost a full minute of breast foreplay, I wonder how much pulp will be added to the ensuing sex scene.

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: October 12, 2012, 08:05:45 PM »
Oh shit, that trailer was nicely put together.  The only drawback being the Disney/family home video announcer.  It was the 1960s all over again where nearly everything sword-and-sandal had a kids' matinee announcer over the trailer, and this guy definitely fits the stereotype.

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: October 08, 2012, 05:53:12 AM »
I really want Wyald and the Bakiraka to be in it due to their absence in the TV anime.  Well, unless they are just jerky 3-D models :schnoz:.  But I have a feeling they are going to either truncate it heavily or reduce them to cameos that Guts & Co mow down in mere minutes.

I also expect much of the exposition to be heavily truncated/  I won't say "butchered" just yet in the vain hope that is not so.  But we all know that Movie 3 will heavily lean toward action sequences against lackluster 3-D models and milk both the Guts/Casca sex scene and Griffith/Casca rape sequence for all they're worth.  Of course, the post-Eclipse material featuring Casca's madness, the Demon Child, Godo & Co, SkullKnight, Guts' gear, Guts' remorse and subsequent birth of the Black Swordsman persona, and the prelude to Guts' wandering apostle hunt will all be crammed into roughly seven minutes of closing footage.

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: August 28, 2012, 08:54:46 PM »
That was just a teaser including scenes we all knew would be in it.  I'm not too worried about pre-eclipse material yet because they are obviously selling the eclipse part of it.

So yeah, how much of the pre-eclipse material will we get?  Post-eclipse material?  Nothing new on those fronts.  All the magazine snapshots possibly confirm is that the scene in which Rickert witnesses the apostle gathering is included.  But it could just be from when Rickert gazes in awe at Zodd & Skullknight outside of the Eclipse.

But, yeah, Silat?  Wyald?  Assassins?  Godo?  Guess we might get a clue in the next chapter, but judging by the character chart, the only confirmed introductions (outside of the God Hand and Skullknight) are that of Erika and Silat.  I really hope that isn't the case.

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: August 07, 2012, 09:50:24 PM »
Warner Home Video announcement.

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: July 23, 2012, 03:08:57 PM »
Three months before release:

Producer: "Uhhh, guys? There's a LOT of stuff we have to cram into Movie 3."



There does seem to be a longer gap between the release of Movie 2 and Movie 3.  The preview cut must have looked something awful.  The extra 20 minutes should help somewhat, though it seems a bit obvious that they bit off more than they could chew and the finished product may barely make any sense.

Anime Asylum / Re: Voice Acting in Berserk Animation
« on: July 14, 2012, 04:10:03 PM »
The Media Blasters dub is one of those dubs that's so over-the-top bad, it gets better with age.  Some of those Guts line deliveries are gold.

I do not want the old VAs back. I don't care how funny their outtakes are; they didn't do a good job with the TV series. Why would they suddenly do well with the movie?

To some, the laughable dub effort on the TV series would fit perfectly on the Berserk Anime Project :zodd:

Heck, considering how truncated the first 2 movies are, they could just fill in the blanks from the TV anime and have 95% of the movies' dialogue already dubbed.  Sadly, American Guts' "NO! Not GRIFFITH!"  will not be returning.

I see a lot of praise about the English voice work in the original Berserk anime. This 1.8mb wav file is dedicated to you people.

Oh, man, nostalgia bomb!  The delivery is even more ripe (or half assed) than I remember.  "He cut Earl's arm off and sent Dan to his grave" and "I've had enough of this bullshit" are among those I remembered over the past several years since seeing it.  Listening to it again.....  :isidro:

Berserk Miscellaneous / Re: The Craziest Berserk Related Videos
« on: July 14, 2012, 06:59:17 AM »
Reminded me of this AMV from way back when.

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: June 29, 2012, 05:46:46 PM »

Ok, I sort of defended the first review, but this is a real doozy

Also the fact that we, the audience, know so little about the inner workings of Griffith in the movie makes this scene so much more unsettling

Ah, so that's why the Griffith/Casca flashback and the court intrigue were cut.

While it doesn't end suddenly like the last film, it does drag on a bit, passing the obvious cliffhanger and several other logical conclusion points until finally choosing one.
  Perhaps because what comes next is a flash forward of roughly one year?

In this second film, 3D models are used almost exclusively on people whose faces are covered—or when the action is at such a high speed, no one would notice anyway.
  The trailers and teasers alone expose some fallacies in this statement w/ Adon in particular having a fair share of close-ups.  Though I agree that sort of modelling/cel-shading is best reserved for distant background action, not foreground.

(in regards to the cameos) It's a kind of twisted nostalgia to remember just how bad it's going to get and how much better these people's lives were before meeting Guts.
...Right.  Puck was in captivity, Farnese was a self flagellating leader of the Holy Iron Chain Knights obsessed with burning heretics w/ Serpico as her companion and swordarm and Isidro as a wandering street urchin.  Certainly the best years of their lives before meeting Guts.

Still, by the end of the film, it's enough to make you wonder if sex is ever a consensual, pleasurable experience in the world of Berserk.

no comment.

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: June 28, 2012, 06:47:22 PM »
I would have to disagree with you there on the Akira example. Considering that the author Katsuhiro Otomo who wrote Akira also served as director of the film. I would have to consider the film to be a definitive vision of the book. Just as I would consider the 97 Berserk series a definitive version of The Golden Age Arc despite what some in the community will say on the matter.

Interesting.  That certainly would have lended to the polish and labor of love in relation to that feature, despite the comparatively weaker script.  I also never knew that the feature was released before the manga ended--certaily makes sense in retrospect.

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: June 28, 2012, 06:11:38 PM »
So that might be why they're rushing the early volumes to get to that part faster. They probably don't think scenes like Zodd throwing his sword or the bonfire of dreams, etc, had any lasting impact that are relevant to the contemporary volumes

And those missing Griffith scenes certainly won't have any impact on future volumes  :femto:

But I agree that it seems like the director/writer of these movies seem to have a pretty muddled grasp on what makes the series good and are spending a great deal of time milking the action element of the series in an attempt to hook in audience members to watch it because it has a buff guy fighting big Medieval battles with monsters and lots of blood & gore.  I actually found the first movie nearly passable in the amount of slower character-based scenes,  They're mostly cut to the bone, but they're there.  I may be wrong, but the 2nd feature appears to have these sorts of scenes cut down to an even further degree.

In fact, it's reminding me more and more of the Akira anime adaptation versus the manga.  Much like this movie the theatrical Akira put a strong focus on pure spectacle and action over a vast majority of character or plot depth.  However, even that isn't an apt comparison because that feature looked like a great feature, with its extremely high quality animation and technical prowess.  The Berserk feature length films--unless they pull a rabbit out of their hat with the 3rd feature--only has a marginal amount of scenes that look great while much of it leans heavily on very retrograde 3D modelling giving it the look of a low/lesser budget feature.

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: June 25, 2012, 05:27:18 AM »
I made it about ten minutes in, I think, before the pseudo-CG animation became too much for me. I don't know what they were thinking with that, but it made a lot of the action in the first few minutes seem cheap and clunky. For a series that's based around action, and a lot of stuff going on at once, I'm not too pleased by how they chose to render that.

Dose it clear up later, or do they keep resorting to it?

The first 10 minutes or so of Part 1 definitely had me squirming, thinking "Oh, God.. this isn't going to be 80% cel-shaded 3D through this whole thing, is it?"  It persists all the way up to when Guts collects the money for slaying Bazuso.  Thankfully, I found that the animation generally improved from then on with some very nicely animated scenes.  The 3D models aren't leaned on as much for the rest of the movie, though they still crop up during some of the later Hawk raids.

"Cheap and clunky" is a pretty apt description of its use in that film and something I'm not looking forward to in the 2nd film (3D Adon.... :magni:)

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: June 24, 2012, 04:40:33 PM »
It's probably not that important, but is the preceding (and creepy) scene, before the torture, with the King sneaking into Charlotte's bedroom and getting kicked in the face in the movie as well?  Or is it just left with Griffith's accusation during the torture scene?  And I guess they have the right dungeon torturer/jailer this time instead of some random goat-man?

I was prepared to swallow a lot of bullshit for the sake of the runtimes of these movies, as a pretty positive person I would have been able to overlook many things to enjoy the final product, within reason. But taking Zodd's part out of the Boscone battle? There's no excuse whatsoever, that didn't need to take up any time at all, maybe 45 seconds. So the only conclusions I can make as to why it was taken out is that Studio 4C just flat out, I don't know, didn't think it was good enough for their awesome movie, they disagreed with Miura about his own creation. Or they just didn't get it. Or perhaps they just weren't skilled enough to animate it. Or maybe they were too lazy to make a new 3d sword model for Guts. Whatever the case, there is just no excuse for it at all.

Zodd's been getting a pretty raw deal.  His big debut is truncated to 10-15 minutes, he doesn't get to beat Guts down with his severed arm and reattach it as if nothing had happened and instead actually seems to have been mortally wounded by Griffith as he leaves the castle.  Now his infamous role in saving Guts' bacon is removed for what?  Making Guts look more badass and invincible?

People are concluding that the point of these movies is to highlight the action and make it mostly about the cool battles

Cool, 3D celshading-laded battles and explicit sex scenes.  I know what the highlight of Part 3 will be :carcus:

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: June 23, 2012, 05:14:23 PM »
I'm most worried about the 3rd movie.  They have a lot of bases to cover with the Guts/Casca/Hawks reunion, Skullknight, Silat, Griffith rescue, assassins, Wyald, pre-Eclipse set up, the Eclipse, the rescue, Godo's hut scenes, and Black Swordsman arc buildup.  There is no way they are going to keep all of those elements in there at the rate they've been going, and that is most disappointing since much of that was not adapted in the TV series.  They'd better extend the film's length to cap off the trilogy properly, but it's almost certainly going to be another short 75 minute run-time.

I want to ask about both movies do they both feel PG-13 ish or feel turn down on the gore/nudesences  in both movies

One of the few upsides to these is that there is no actual censorship like the TV series had to do.

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: June 23, 2012, 02:08:51 PM »
The best part was actually the sex scene with Griffith.

Interestingly, that's one of the few parts that the TV anime truncated/skipped, along with the fallout with the King of Midland.  I'm looking forward to seeing those adaptations solely because the TV adaptation did not cover it at all.

What about the court intrigue?  Is there any at all this time, or has it supposedly ended with the assassination of Julius?

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: June 22, 2012, 08:24:06 PM »
Well, he does say that the film version is abridged in comparison to both the manga and TV series, so I'm guessing in that quote he means that it is "very true" in the sense that there is no filler

That was a pretty negative review overall.

PS, why didn't Zodd's arm get cut off?  And why didn't he beat Guts with it????

Watching that and wondering why that had to be changed, I'm under the impression that it was a technical limitation of the 3-D model of beast-form Zodd.  It was as if the 3-D modelling team (all three of them) sent a note to the director saying they couldn't figure out how to sever the arm from the beast-form model and get it severed in a way that looked right.  So either to meet the deadline or the writer/director/producer didn't feel it was important enough to work the kinks out of, opted for the simplistic alternative shown in the film.

Yes, I was disappointed in seeing that memorable :zodd: moment given such a weak alteration.

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: June 16, 2012, 12:48:05 AM »
( look at the new clip: )

...the flying sword ricochet near the beginning of that clip wasn't in the manga, was it?  Because it looks ridiculous.  The manga has so many creative maneuvers and kills in those scenes, why do they feel the need to invent stupid crap like that for the film?

3D Adon looks like a Muppet.  Also, watching these clips I'm under the impression that the film version does not have hand-drawn versions of Adon and Boscone -- only 3D, like Zodd's beast form in the first part.  If true, what a let down considering how accomplished the art and animation for this film can be.  Not to mention the 3D doesn't even approach the manga art to any degree.  Sad, because they seem show of 90% 3-D footage in that clip

Berserk Golden Age Arc I - Extra from BD:

More of an even mix of 3D and digital cel animation.  Easier on the eyes in parts.  The 3d looks horrid on a few of those lips however, with an utter lack of detail--just solid colors.  Thankfully Gennon is 2D in all of these shots.  The viewing public was spared an otherwise gruesome spectacle.

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: June 15, 2012, 06:06:02 AM »
What the deuce was that?  That was one awful adaptation of the Casca/Griffith flashback, and this is coming from someone who at least saw some artistic merit in the Guts flashback from Part 1.

That shaky cam/"slow motion" effect (more like lag effect) with some forced audio filtering that's suppose to pass as a dream-like state was very poor.  It honestly looked like a sleazy spaghetti western knockoff combined with all of those added scenes of Casca getting punched in the face and the ear slice gushing with blood.  It's like they're trying to turn this film into a camp "classic."  It doesn't help there is no context as to why Casca is chased and raped since there is no establishing the man as a noble instead of some random degenerate countryman--of course, causing the memorable denouncement of the noble by Griffith to be removed.  Without the added significance and details regarding that attempted rape and rescue, what's left comes across as nothing more than cheap exploitation of Casca's childhood.

The nearly complete loss of the Griffith/adolescent Casca flashback is almost unforgivable.  That was some very significant character and plot exposition, particularly in relation to Griffith.  It also has me seriously concerned whether or not Gennon will even appear at all.  Also on the cutting room floor are those crucial interactions with Guts listening to Casca's story as she goes deeper into her past experiences with Griffith and the Hawks.

Lastly, those cel shaded mercenaries.  Yeesh, even in that low-res clip they looked like some low-rent animatronics that the local Chuck E Cheese would put to shame.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who noticed that Zodd's arm does not get decapitated by Griffith in this adaptation--most unusual because it's something commonplace throughout the movie and even the 97 anime was able to include it.  To those 3D models limit things like that in the movie?

Am I one of the only guys here who liked the 97 series?  I think most fans who saw the 97 series before they read the manga are probably in the same boat.  A buddy introduced me to the Berserk anime in 2002.  Loving it and being curious for a sequel, I searched the new to find that I was out of luck...but wait a minute, there was this 'manga' thing that the anime was based on, and it actually continued the series!!

The anime was pretty good for a low-budget effort.  The pacing between the beginning of the Golden Age arc and Griffith's imprisonment was quite good outside of that lame Adon filler.  It got a bit dodgy after that, but the most impressionable thing about it is that it ends with the Casca rape and Guts struggling in a helpless state.  Definitely an attention grabber.

Though I won't lie--the animation and the American dub of that anime added about 50% more camp to series, so even if the anime did drag I'd come across a few scenes with unintentional hilarity, wither by some awkwardly animated scene or a strange delivery by one of the anime's American voice actors.  I still remember some of those line deliveries to this day and have a good laugh.

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: February 16, 2012, 02:27:17 AM »
Don't forget a bit of post-Eclipse stuff, as someone else mentioned earlier. There's no way they're ending the movie on the same horrid cliffhanger the TV series did, so it'll be nice to see some Skully and Black Swordsman action, even if just for a few minutes.  :badbone:

Oh, yeah, that too.  They darn well better end it after where the Golden Age Arc is suppose to end.  I'm pretty confident it will be closer to the manga since they didn't make the mistake of writing out the Skull Knight from the series.  Plus, footage of the rescue is shown in the opening credits  :badbone:.

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: February 15, 2012, 06:36:45 AM »
A random fan once referred to Berserk for it's gore content and how much she liked the 'mindfrakk' (in her words) ending with the Eclipse and Apostles. I bet movie # 3 will gross the most because it'll attract the regular Berserk fans and other anime fans who think the scenario/ gore/ shock element is 'cool'.

I agree that the high level of violence and explicit gore in the series does make for a good hook for the uninitiated, even though it may falsely represent the series as a whole.  However, I find that the gore and other grittier (and over-the-top) elements of the series is part of what makes the series great--not because they are there, but how Miura artistically depicts them and integrates those elements into the series.  If some of the more shocking elements of the series aren't there or aren't adapted right, even if they're sometimes just aesthetic, an element of what makes the series great is lost.

No, while your approach was confusing because you essentially agreed with Manic, I was just commending you guys for your Black Swordsman sophistication and not falling under the paradoxical delusion that the Golden Age is the singularly marketable part of the series.

Yes, it does get exasperating reading comments on how the the Golden Age arc is where the series "gets good", or worse, the highlight of the series.  I love the Black Swordsman Arc and how it introduces you to this man, Guts, and his darkest hour -- heck, I even have a soft spot for the '80s drawing style Miura uses through those arcs.

Not to mention it is near perfectly suited for a film adaptation in terms of length and a filmic content.  Even if the anime team found a way to botch it, it would still at least be a fresh adaptation.  However, it may be smart in retrospect to get the familiar Golden Age content out of the way to pave the way for Berserk content that has yet to be adapted--assuming the project survives that long.

I also agree with those that feel another Golden Age arc is a bit too much of a retread.  Still, I look forward to seeing the content of the 3rd movie, which if adapted faithfully, should cover much never-before-animated material that the old TV series skipped, glossed over, or largely rewrote (pretty much everything surrounding Griffith's rescue).

Anime Asylum / Re: Berserk Saga Project News
« on: February 12, 2012, 02:51:23 AM »
To be proud of seeing his work made into a movie doesn't mean he approves of specific alterations made to the story, or that he thinks they are superior to his own original work. That's definitely not the kind of state of mind he's displayed before (taking the PS2 game as an example, about which he expressly said it was for fun and not to be taken seriously).

I have to agree it is odd, to say the least, to perceive the changes made in the movie as "improvements" Miura personally supported, much less had a hand in.  I have my doubts he's involved in the adaptation much at all aside from giving the producers the green light.

As for what, if anything, he would change in the Black Swordsman Arc is pretty much guesswork.  Hell, if the anime team started the Black Swordsman Arc with Guts giving the sex-apostle the bait and switch, I would be most impressed.  I understand that adaptations, especially film adaptations, generally lead to alterations or extra material but they should try to be as close to the source material as they can.  I anyone decides material should be cut or "fixed," I doubt the one deciding is Miura :miura:

Current Episodes / Re: Episode 327
« on: February 11, 2012, 02:33:38 AM »
Yeah, it was the scenes with the heart had me going.  Thanks for the clarification.

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