Episode 225

[All_4_Yume]

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Look it's Skull Knight and...

Skull Knight Jr. !!!

Skull Knight Jr. : Can I have the keys to the demon horse, pop?
Skull Knight: Only when you're 121, son.

Heh...I was thinking the same thing (SKpt.2). I guess you can't have enough Skullknights. Now there'll be a cool one and a crazy one.

I wouldn't worry too much about how Guts looks. He always a wore a helmet when he was with Taka no Dan and he never had it on when he wasn't supposed to so he probably wouldn't start now. Maybe now he can trick Casca into trusting him again now that's dressed like the true hero of Berserk. ;)

 

[Walter]

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This is a problem for the READERS because what is the trill reading about a character that cannot be wounded? It can appear cool the first two or three fights , afterwards it get boring. Think of Superman without kryptonite..

Calm down. We still don't know the consequences of using "very cursed armor" will be. We've only seen the first half (maybe even third) of the new Armor's personality.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH! It is not the Gatts that I know, is the brother of skullknight! It will be that it goes to continue using this helmet?

I expect no less from the person who compared Berserk to Lord of The Rings.

 

[Nadiaska]

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I expect no less from the person who compared Berserk to Lord of The Rings.

Your memory walks short! I did not compare Berserk with The Lord of the Rings and yes the history of Trolls (that they rest in the hell) ! ;D

 

[kimchan]

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i doubt thats flora kimchan, doesnt seem like her body...

Damn! Shot down my greatest theory! >:(


... ;D

 

[erutanlive]

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I for one hope there is a corporeal Guts under all that plate mail... i see no problem with him wearing the armor normally and keeping the helm at his side to pull on for fights. Even full plate isn't gonna weigh too much for someone who can swing the dragonslayer. ;)

If he does turn into a "skully jr" i wonder if he would be strgoner in direct combat. If the armor amplifies the persona or power of the one who wears it... I can't imagine old Gaiseric being a stronger fighter than Guts when he put it on in the first place, though he has the benefit of a millenia of experience. Perhaps Guts will leave behind another "band" to him and be a travelling duo with skully (i bet puck would still come along for the ride). I could see Guts being the HW kinda guy and skully being the specialist with his knowledge and behesword etc.

Imagine Guts swallowing the dragonslayer to make a behe-dragonslayer?!!

 

[Wereallmad]

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Listen, I don't mean to be offensive and I'm not trying to speak for anyone but myself, but anything that can be said in this thread, probably has been said already. "ooh, is he even in the armor" "what if his corporeal body is gone" "oooh, what if it's like power ranger armor" "waaaaah, I don't like it" doesn't seem to me like valid peculation or commentary.

IMO, speculation is not something that is worthwhile if you're just trying to figure out what's going to happen in the next panel, it's meant for big stuff. It must also be logical or at least plausible. It must have the slightist bit of evidence to support it.

No one could possibly know how the armor works, what the curse is, and so forth, there isn't enough information to go on, so throwing out wild guesses does nothing but clutters up the thread. Something like what Olivier speculated (prophesized?) that Perhaps Skully or Zoddo may die, seems like a little bit more valid a speculation, despite how consequential it may be. Considering the comic's trend, it seems likely that Guts' armor is not the last tremendous event that will occur in the next few chapters. Speculation isn't about being right nessesarily either, it's about being rational, so it's okay to be wrong, as long as your idea is well formed, or at the very least, unique.

In any case, I think all that can be descerned from this chapter has been, and I suggest that people just wait till the next chapter unless they really think they can make a substantial contribution.

Also, for those saying that the armor isn't black, I'm pretty sure you're just reading the hatching wrong. I'm pretty sure the tight virticle lines that are being drawn indicate that it's just black and super super super reflective, like volcanic glass. If it were white or gray or something, Miura would probably use a gray or white screen tone, not draw it the way he has. Of course, if there is any indication from the dialogue that conclusively says it's not black, that's a different story.

And, for the guy complaining that Guts' sword is down before being bit by that one apostle, not everything on the same page happens at once, dude. Obviously Guts had changed position in the space of time between the panels in question, and considering how fast he's swinging his sword, that space of time doesn't have to be very long.

 

[Radzeke]

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right on, Wereallmad. The armor is the shit, but I think people need to stop posting wild ideas followed by this face: :-\ If your going to look ahead, at least make sense and think positive, everything miura has done, he's done well.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH! It is not the Gatts that I know

If you knew me, I'd wear a fuckin' mask so I couldn't be recognized too.

 

[Grifth]

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whats all this about corporeal body in the armor i mean please do u all really see that as a probability were talking berserk here not jojos bizarre adventure and whats all this negativsm towards the helmet its cool as hell as someone noted allready when guts was in the hawks he also used a helmet during the fights i mean it as a helmet that saved his life against that big guy pazu something dont remenber his name so flame me

 

[typhonblue]

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Imagine Guts swallowing the dragonslayer to make a behe-dragonslayer?!!

Yes. I bet he could put his experience with Donovan to good use.

 

[puella]

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Good post, wereallmad.

Someone said for a joke he wished Guts would lose only the helmet.

 

[Genn21]

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, Wereallmad people here are just wetting our tounges a little on guts new armor shots. but you know as well as i do that anything said prematurly about the armor will not be taken as known fact untill miura pumps it out in 22X ( next couple of chpts ). Im seriously considering the guy inside the armor to be zepec tho or theresia .. i faithfully await both there returns.

Right now man id say were all just beating off with the facts trying to build up a conclusion. Its futile we know but fun anyway. Hope hague doesent spoil it

 

[secilj]

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Thanks a lot, SaiyajinNoOuji. ;)

Hewww, as I said earlier, I gotta keep quiet and see what's going on in the berserk. :(

 

[anonymous coward]

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Well, if asking the question was useless speculation of what was going to happen in the next panel, I will elaborate on what I asked to make it more clear where I was going with this. So, if this is SK's old armor or something from his and flora's shared history, and if there is a twist to be revealed with Guts' skull armor, I think the obvious thing people will then infer is that whatever happens to Guts with the skull armor in 226 and onwards (curse, incorporeality, whatever you want to put in there) was what happened to SK/Gaiseric in his transformation or origin, or some variation of it, like Guts chooses to abandon the armor, but Gaiseric chose to stay in it forever; whatever. I'm not saying that's what I think will happen, but just that some "decision that will impact causality" will form the crux of the next plot revelation relating to the Guts/ SK parallel.
So skipping ahead, what I meant to infer by my original question was not oooh, "ghost Guts", but rather "what if". Like "what if" Gaiseric is as geriatric as Flora, sitting in some tower somewhere remotely operating the SK armor, or somesuch macguffin that lets Guts and company meet Gaiseric just as they met Flora? I don't really care what the particulars are, nor do I have a pet theory I'm pushing, I just think the armor surprise upcoming will open the door to serious reinterpretation and speculation on the "causality spiral" element of the plot and backstory. I didn't mean to imply I thought Guts was or wasn't in the armor, just point out I thought it was still an open question.
I hope he is in it, I think the combination of Guts' beast of darkness and a medieval Guyver suit would naturally lead to oodles of premium grade ultraviolence. And as badass as everyone thinks SK is he's never seemed like an angry or vicious character, sort of a Man With No Name to Guts' Dirty Harry. Giving Guts similar supernatural armor he can break out in an emergency or whatever he decides to do with it is a nice loophole to put him on more of an equal footing with his demonic foes without necessarily sacrificing his non superpowered status.
Lastly and unrelatedly, I thought I'd point out a Guts-Terminator would make a nice marketable hook for a second anime.

 

[Griffith]

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Can someone tell me exactly WHY the armor ISN'T Black? I don't doubt Saiki, but nobody has actually explained what color it is or who said so. Just curious, and I'm tired of:

-Griffith

 

[typhonblue]

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Can someone tell me exactly WHY the armor ISN'T Black? I don't doubt Olivier or Saiki, but neither actually explained what color it is or who said so. Just curious, and I'm tired of:

-Griffith

Umm... Umm... I'd love to have him show me his sabre and whisper sweet propaganda into my ear. That's some mighty fine pickin's there....

But anyway, look again at the crosshatching, it isn't dense enough for black or even shiny black. It may be a dark silver, but it isn't black. Don't look at the chest where most of the shadows are, look at the arm and leg guards in the light. Black wouldn't reflect that much.

 

[Radzeke]

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But anyway, look again at the... BULLSHIT!

wow, that's really useful information you just made up!

 

[ranemaka13]

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i didnt realize the basis for colors in a black & white comic came down to such a precise science.

 

[Radzeke]

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i didnt realize the basis for colors in a black & white comic came down to such a precise science.

yeah holmes, not even shiny black, yo!

 

[Wereallmad]

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, Wereallmad people here are just

I know very well what people are TRYING to do, but I really think that the majority of them are suceeding in very little other than cluttering up topics.

stuff

Slow down there sport. The post was not directed at you personaly, and your post doesn't change my opinion.

But anyway, look again at the crosshatching, it isn't dense enough for black or even shiny black. It may be a dark silver, but it isn't black. Don't look at the chest where most of the shadows are, look at the arm and leg guards in the light. Black wouldn't reflect that much.

Yeah, I'm going to go with 'no' on that one.

Oh, btw, to whoever said that "Guts is silver like the skullknight", SK is green and red, like a rose.

 

[SaiyajinNoOuji]

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Oh, btw, to whoever said that "Guts is silver like the skullknight", SK is green and red, like a rose.

Say it aint so!!!!

 

[Griffith]

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Say it aint so!!!!

Officially, his body is green (behelit colored, interestingly enough =) and his cape is dark red. Those are the colorings of the Art Of War statue and there's a picture of him on the inside cover of volume 18 that matches the statue. Now, I don't know if AOR goes by the existing images, or if they are consulted directly by Miura. The only bone of contention is that on volume 10 Skully appears more yellow/bone color, and this is supported by his lack of color in the manga. Of course, Guts' skin is almost the same color as Casca's and he's totally white in there as well, so who knows. Guess I wasted your time. =)

-Griffith

 

[SaiyajinNoOuji]

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Officially, his body is green (behelit colored, interestingly enough =) and his cape is dark red. Those are the colorings of the Art Of War statue and there's a picture of him on the inside cover of volume 18 that matches the statue. Now, I don't know if AOR goes by the existing images, or if they are consulted directly by Miura. The only bone of contention is that on volume 10 Skully appears more yellow/bone color, and this is supported by his lack of color in the manga. Of course, Guts' skin is almost the same color as Casca's and he's totally white in there as well, so who knows. Guess I wasted your time. =)

-Griffith

:\'(

 

[Uriel]

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Looking at the shading of the image, it's probably not going to be bone white colour. The colours below are what I'd guess for the possible colour of this new armour:

There is a chance that they are different colours, but dark greys and blues seem the most likely.

 

[Griffith]

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Hey, Griffith's armor isn't "white" either, it's silver. So my best guess, knowing that it's "not black" would be a very dark silver. A metallic black. It would be a cool upgrade to Guts' general armor appeal aesthetically, plus, it would directly juxtapose him with Griffith. But, this is dumb since someone (Olivier/Saiki) that can read the damn thing will just tell us it's...

-Griffith

P.S. Mood armor? ;D

 

[Lliugusamui]

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What if the armour has Chameleon colour ? It would be good for evrybody ^^
Guil