SexyCharlotte
All those who wander are not always lost
After reading some of the heated posts on the other forums, especially the one concerning Griffith/Gatts and the whole notion of good and evil, it brings to mind even more comparisons to Hellraiser, and not just the physical attributes of the God Hand.
Hellraiser's 'Behelit' was the Lemarchand Configuration, the puzzle box that fell into one's hands. Throughout the Hellraiser series, it is shown that each Cenobite was also human at one time, and the became the guardians or 'gods' of the box after opening it and falling prey to whatever 'dark side' they had...hopelessness, ambition ( the lead Cenobite PinHead, for example, at one time was a heartless Colonel in World War I), boredom. But it had to be a void or a darkness within the human heart ( the original story was entitled THE HELLBOUND HEART) that opened the doorways to begin with.
The Cenobites said, " We are angels to some, demons to others."
Griffith also says," God or the devil, what's the difference?"
In looking at some of the apostles, for example...such as Wyald. When he died, he was a broken, twisted old man. Perhaps before he became an apostle, he too, had seen broken dreams, hopelessness, and a body wracked by age and pain.
You cannot always blame people or brand them as evil for wanting something better for themselves. Could we say that selfishness then is evil?
BERSERK attracted me because of those very paradoxes it presented in its characters, and it's story line. No one is truly innocent, no one is free of dark shadows or doubts in his soul. Not even Griffith. You saw him as a poor kid, playing soldier in the streets, and looking up at the castle, wanting to raise himself above all in his quest for being a king. His dreams and ambitions were lofty. Behind his angelic facade was something so fierce...it indeed, burned like 'the bonfire of dreams.' But his bonfire...would not have been so strong and surely would not have existed if it weren't for all the 'other flames' that enabled him to burn so brightly.
Guts says something deep there...he is not part of the bonfire, but someone who stopped to warm himself by the fire, only to continue on his own path.
But back to Hellraiser...it was easy to peg them as evil seeing as how they looked and how they did the bidding of bringing suffering and pain to those who dared to open the box. But as they said too, " There is no turning back." ( once you choose fate/fate chooses you, you cannot go back). None of the Cenobites ever really remembered at one time, they were human too...in the process of turning into a Cenobite, they lost their humanity...until a few were brutally reminded of how they became Cenobites to begin with). But the motives behind why they opened the doorways to that other dimension said that within their hearts, there had to be something they were desperately looking for to begin with.
The ' main Gods' of the Box was Leviathan ( similiar to Idea) and the Engineer.( the 'keeper'). Leviathan was created out of a need and a desire to find the so-called meaning to humanity's endless quest for seeking 'salvation' or 'answers' to life. A purpose.
I think that like the Cenobites, the God Hand members, including Femto/Griffith, as well as the apostles ( Wyald, Zodd, Roshina, the Snake Baron, the Count) had lost their purpose somehow as humans, and were drawn to a darker fate by being given the behelits. Or, their underlying motivations were greed, anger ( the Count enraged at his wife) or desperation.
Could you say then that these powerful things, powerful emotions, which are part of human's dual nature, was the force behind Griffith's decision as well? It did not surprise me as his ambition was selfish, ruthless, and darkly motivated that he became Femto. He was also childish too...and when someone is that way they don't think about the consquences, just their own preservation.
LG
Hellraiser's 'Behelit' was the Lemarchand Configuration, the puzzle box that fell into one's hands. Throughout the Hellraiser series, it is shown that each Cenobite was also human at one time, and the became the guardians or 'gods' of the box after opening it and falling prey to whatever 'dark side' they had...hopelessness, ambition ( the lead Cenobite PinHead, for example, at one time was a heartless Colonel in World War I), boredom. But it had to be a void or a darkness within the human heart ( the original story was entitled THE HELLBOUND HEART) that opened the doorways to begin with.
The Cenobites said, " We are angels to some, demons to others."
Griffith also says," God or the devil, what's the difference?"
In looking at some of the apostles, for example...such as Wyald. When he died, he was a broken, twisted old man. Perhaps before he became an apostle, he too, had seen broken dreams, hopelessness, and a body wracked by age and pain.
You cannot always blame people or brand them as evil for wanting something better for themselves. Could we say that selfishness then is evil?
BERSERK attracted me because of those very paradoxes it presented in its characters, and it's story line. No one is truly innocent, no one is free of dark shadows or doubts in his soul. Not even Griffith. You saw him as a poor kid, playing soldier in the streets, and looking up at the castle, wanting to raise himself above all in his quest for being a king. His dreams and ambitions were lofty. Behind his angelic facade was something so fierce...it indeed, burned like 'the bonfire of dreams.' But his bonfire...would not have been so strong and surely would not have existed if it weren't for all the 'other flames' that enabled him to burn so brightly.
Guts says something deep there...he is not part of the bonfire, but someone who stopped to warm himself by the fire, only to continue on his own path.
But back to Hellraiser...it was easy to peg them as evil seeing as how they looked and how they did the bidding of bringing suffering and pain to those who dared to open the box. But as they said too, " There is no turning back." ( once you choose fate/fate chooses you, you cannot go back). None of the Cenobites ever really remembered at one time, they were human too...in the process of turning into a Cenobite, they lost their humanity...until a few were brutally reminded of how they became Cenobites to begin with). But the motives behind why they opened the doorways to that other dimension said that within their hearts, there had to be something they were desperately looking for to begin with.
The ' main Gods' of the Box was Leviathan ( similiar to Idea) and the Engineer.( the 'keeper'). Leviathan was created out of a need and a desire to find the so-called meaning to humanity's endless quest for seeking 'salvation' or 'answers' to life. A purpose.
I think that like the Cenobites, the God Hand members, including Femto/Griffith, as well as the apostles ( Wyald, Zodd, Roshina, the Snake Baron, the Count) had lost their purpose somehow as humans, and were drawn to a darker fate by being given the behelits. Or, their underlying motivations were greed, anger ( the Count enraged at his wife) or desperation.
Could you say then that these powerful things, powerful emotions, which are part of human's dual nature, was the force behind Griffith's decision as well? It did not surprise me as his ambition was selfish, ruthless, and darkly motivated that he became Femto. He was also childish too...and when someone is that way they don't think about the consquences, just their own preservation.
LG