I can't remember, doesn't that happen in the manga?Sammoniac said:An adaptation without Guts and Casca dancing? Such a blasphemous travesty!
I can't remember, doesn't that happen in the manga?Sammoniac said:An adaptation without Guts and Casca dancing? Such a blasphemous travesty!
Walter said:I can't remember, doesn't that happen in the manga?
I've never quite understood this approach. 15 years of waiting? Was anyone seriously drooling with anticipation all this time over a potential adaptation of a series that's pretty fucking amazing by itself? I think the most anyone could have hoped for with these things was: "Hey that was kinda neat and didn't offend me horribly."JezzaX said:Right, another 15 years of waiting for a faithful adaptation it is....ho hum.
Hahaha, yeah you know, you're right. The Gaiseric/tower history scene isn't mentioned at all in either the review part of the cut part. An oversight... Or...?RaffoBaffo said:Sooooo, if those are all the cuts this mean, theoretically, that the story of Gaiseric is in the movie....i like this (at least this)
Walter said:I've never quite understood this approach. 15 years of waiting? Was anyone seriously drooling with anticipation all this time over a potential adaptation of a series that's pretty fucking amazing by itself? I think the most anyone could have hoped for with these things was: "Hey that was kinda neat and didn't offend me horribly."
I don't think it had to be this way. Studio 4C had an opportunity to make something special. They just took the wrong approach from the very beginning... And then on every single major decision afterward.Gobolatula said:This has been a disappointing and sad experience. Thinking of what could have been done with the skill set of these guys just makes me want to cry. Then I remember we still have the manga.
I believe Griff was the first to say it, but structurally the Black Swordsman Arc already sort of feels like a movie. It's Guts on a single mission. And we see him falter, succeed and then end up in a place he never expected, confronting his nemesis and introducing us to a larger, darker world. It's a pretty amazing story, almost hand-delivered for screen adaptation.
That's a good point. If somebody hires Miura to write the next Berserk movie, I think we'll be okay.TelegramSam said:When you really think about it though, the last good Berserk adaptation was the Dreamcast game, and that's pretty depressing.
Walter said:I believe Griff was the first to say it, but structurally the Black Swordsman Arc already sort of feels like a movie. It's Guts on a single mission. And we see him falter, succeed and then end up out of his league, in a place he never expected to be, directly confronting his nemesis and introducing readers to a larger, darker world. It's a pretty amazing story, almost hand-delivered for screen adaptation.
tama chan said:I still wonder if there is this mentality of how the Black Swordsman arc would be too confusing to movie goers. We all know it's not hard to follow and that the few things we arent sure of (how this Guts character is in the state he is in, the child) adds to the mystery. I get this feeling that they think it wouldn't be easy to digest for the people they are trying to sell tickets to.
I don't think that's a convincing argument, really. Movie goers aren't all morons. It's almost status quo for an antihero to have a sordid past, of which only scant details are known at the outset. I can't imagine that'd be a difficult pill for modern audiences to swallow.tama chan said:I still wonder if there is this mentality of how the Black Swordsman arc would be too confusing to movie goers. We all know it's not hard to follow and that the few things we arent sure of (how this Guts character is in the state he is in, the child) adds to the mystery. I get this feeling that they think it wouldn't be easy to digest for the people they are trying to sell tickets to.
The studio's founder, Eiko Tanaka, said the Lost Children Arc would be next, even though Miura expressed his desire for it to be the Black Swordsman Arc. But yeah, I'm sure we'll hear more concrete information about what's next in the coming months. If anything.Roderick said:So I guess the forthcoming speculation will be if we're actually going to see the Black Swordsman Arc done now that this Golden Age trilogy is going to be over and done with in the coming weeks. And what the chances are it will be good
Walter said:I don't think that's a convincing argument, really. Movie goers aren't all morons. It's almost the status quo for an antihero to have a sordid past, of which only scant details are known at the outset. It's not that difficult of a pill to swallow for modern audiences.
Anyway, one could just as easily argue that audiences new to this adaptation could be put off by the introduction of the God Hand, branding and sacrificial concepts in the final act of the trilogy. Where in the manga, readers are expected to already have that context from the previous arc.
Something like that, yeah. Poor logic, in my opinion. Guts with the Dragon Slayer is the iconic image of Berserk, not the Golden Age...tama chan said:Wasn't it already mentioned that they wanted to do the Golden Age arc because thats what people were most familiar with? I forgot...
It's probably the result of an authority figure at the studio saying something like: "I think it works better my way," and then the change is made. Simple. I say that because the changes often reek of a decision made without a lot of thought, planning or discussion ("Uh, sir, that apostle isn't taller than trees.") In a way, I admire them for making bold decisions, I just wish they weren't all terrible.I still wonder what went through the minds of these film makers when they change something. Like the Snake Baron for the Carcus killing apostle. Or the extended ball room dancing instead of bonfire of dreams.
Or US Kirby constantly being altered to look angry, despite smiling in every other edition of his games (CLICK).It reminds me a little of how edits were in the USA with Japanese anime in the 90s. Not the censorship or cuts with cultural changes like changing foods like moshi, miso soup etc to American foods, but some of the more bizzare ones like airbrushing tears away from a crying child or changing someones smile. Probably not the best comparison but I just mean some of the decesion making for what to add or cut in film or tv sometimes puzzles me.
Well if you never got to know the character in the first place whats the point in leaving his last meaningful speech and thoughts, it'd just seem pretentious and over-dramatized...tama chan said:Thats a shame if all of that is accurate Walter. I always thought Judo's conversation with Casca and his last scenes were important to the eclipse.
tama chan said:Also, know this has been talked about already but I still wonder what went through the minds of these film makers when they change something. Like the Snake Baron for the Carcus killing apostle.
Continuing from where the last movie leaves off, Guts leaves the Band of the Hawk and Griffith is captured. It is now a year later and Guts has returned to save Griffith who is now only beyond a mere shell of his former glory self. Anyway, I say this has been the best movie of the trilogy so far. In context to story, the beginning is very rushed and some scenes are taken out from the original manga and some are properly rearranged. But it doesn't really hurt the flow for the story in relation to the movie. It works in its own way, but I will admit as a manga purist, idealistically, I wish it followed the manga 100% to a t, but that's just me. This movie is now 2 hours so it allows more content, though I wish all the movies were 2 hours.
The controversial CG in my humble opinion, has improved but still has its problems. I say the frame rate is more even and the frame size in proportion to the characters and foreground appropriately accommodates it. It still comes across as "gamey," but it is an improvement, but by no means perfect. The action is very violent and lives up to its bad ass title. There will be plenty of blood and gore. Even though Guts is the main character and a bad ass, I will admit when this guy fights, he scares me and this movie does a good job of making me scared of the main character. There's nothing to fear, but fear itself, but fear fears Guts. On a list of top anime bad asses, Guts has to be on that list no doubt.
I say what defines the art and animation is how it sets the atmosphere and brings you into the emotions. You feel Griffith's fragility. Even though you don't see him unmasked, the detail to the art on whatever you see of his face is enough to give you an idea of what he would look like if unmasked. You see the hesitation of Guts on whether or not he should leave the Hawks again. You feel Casca's frustrations. I feel that the raw emotions bring a sense of substance in conjunction to its R-15+ (the equivalent to an NC-17 in America) rating.
The voice acting, as I have admitted in previous reviews, has been an issue for me. I will admit that Guts' new actor has shown improvement and shown instances that he can capture the character. But I will openly admit as a purist and fanboy that Nobutoshi Canna is still Guts to me while Michael Bell will always be his English voice to me. The guy who plays Jedau does an ok imitation of the character's original voice actor, Ishida Akira. Maybe for people not familiar with the previous anime series and the games will not find this to be an issue and may like the voice actors.
Like the second movie, the soundtrack is more acoustics and orchestrated. My thoughts on that carry onto this movie as well. It suits the time period very well and knows how to suit the atmosphere. The orchestra in the ending credits was very impressive. Susumu Hirakawa still does the opening theme and is my favorite part of the soundtrack. Still, like the newer voice cast, fans new to Berserk who had not seen the previous anime series or played the games will probably not think of this as an issue.
The closest thing to a spoiler I can give is that after the ending credits, there is a post credits scene which isn't much for some people, but after that is over, there is a message in clear English that says "This is only the beginning" meaning we will get new Berserk movies. I say its only natural with the easter eggs in previous movies, this series deserves its shot where it really shines. For those not familiar with the Berserk manga, this new trilogy is a mere fraction of what Berserk has to offer. So I hope we hear more news soon if a new Berserk movie will come out this year or not.
After that, we get a bonus music video!!! So fans will most likely enjoy this.