Imperator Hanseatic said:
Perhaps we're experiencing some kind of miscommunication here but your original message I replied to gave me the impression via phrasing that Guts would be specifically trying to hide the Beast for some reason.
First, I'd like to just say that I'm just trying to foster a discussion in this thread because I'm so amped up from getting Berserk back. I'm not trying to persuade anyone to my point of view or change anyone's opinions or anything. So if I ask a question or bring up something from the story I'm doing so out of a desire to hear more from everyone here not try to prove anyone wrong. :)
With that said, I probably could've been clearer with my wording, but what I'm saying is that, technically, Guts' mind is hiding the beast right now, in the sense that the aspects of Guts' mind/emotions that the beast represents have been subconsciously (unconsciously?) put on the back burner and his mind's struggle/trauma isn't as noticeable to outsiders as it was at other points in the story. I don't mean Guts is constantly thinking," Please don't notice. Please don't notice. Please don't notice." It's not a conscious effort to hide, and it's not hiding from something. Just hidden.
In other words, the traumatized aspect of Guts' mind is hidden right now because, if you were to meet him, it'd be impossible to tell something was wrong. Now if Guts was having a full blown struggle with his darker urges/emotions, to the point where when you went to meet him he looked like Private Pyle from Full Metal Jacket right before he killed himself, then his trauma wouldn't be hidden well.
I hope my adding more mud to the water cleared it up.
Aazealh said:
Any elf can already perceive human emotions, as demonstrated by Puck's insights into Guts' mind, so there's really no way the King of Elves would not see it.
I agree completely that if the king delves into Guts' mind like Schierke does then he'll see the trauma, and that elves are more than capable of getting the information, especially if something triggers that part of him. I just think it'd be harder for an elf to sense Guts' trauma now than, say, during his time as the Black Swordsman.
Aazealh said:
I believe he will address it. The Beast of Darkness is a very prominent and obvious part of Guts' psyche, one that anyone delving into his mind immediately stumbles upon, as Schierke showed us in volume 26. Any elf can already perceive human emotions, as demonstrated by Puck's insights into Guts' mind, so there's really no way the King of Elves would not see it. And you mention Guts trying to hide it, but he doesn't even really realize its existence himself, since it's just a personification of his feelings/trauma, so I don't see how that could possibly work.
That being said, the idea that he could be "healed" or "delivered" from the Beast of Darkness seems unlikely to me. The feelings that the Beast embodies aren't entirely detrimental to Guts, they fuel his fighting spirit even in the darkest hour. What would rather be interesting to see, and what I believe is the most likely outcome, is that Guts might be able to "tame" the Beast of Darkness so that he can "tap" into it when he needs it. Basically it could be put to use in a more efficient, more controlled manner.
I really like that idea, but how would it work? Or rather what parts would you heal, remove, or fix that would "tame" the beast? Perhaps the king will be able to, for example, separate and remove the part of Guts that wants everyone he cares about to die while keeping his rage and desire to kill Griffith?
Aazealh said:
Now where this gets more complicated is that the Beast of Darkness in itself is only half the problem. Where it poses a real danger is when combined with the Berserk's armor, since the armor's fiery Od engulfs Guts and drowns his consciousness with those violent feelings. So keep in mind that a palliative may also be applied to the armor itself, something akin to the talisman Flora carved inside of it. It may be one or the other or a combination of both.
The other day I was thinking how great it would be for Guts if the king could carve a permanent talisman into the armor that not only performs Flora's talisman's function but also keeps Guts conscious like Schierke does for him now. But then I thought of how much damage the armor does to his body and senses and wondered if giving him an "excuse" to use the armor even more was a good idea. Plus I absolutely love how Miura designed the armor and its double-edged nature. I'd hate it if the armor was tinkered with too much or if the negative aspects of the armor were negated or removed.
Guts probably has a different opinion on that subject though.
Aazealh said:
I don't think any of that makes for a compelling argument.
You must've misread it because all my positions are airtight, my friend.
I'm just trying to come at the issue from all angles since the king is essentially a blank slate outside of the powers/abilities we've been told he has and the information we can glean from Puck and Ivarella on the nature of elves. I do agree though that he'll know about Guts' trauma. Even if he couldn't sense it directly it doesn't take an Einstein to connect the dots. Of course, given what Schierke says about what some elves with enormous power are capable of doing and the fact the king has already demonstrated this power with his prediction about Puck, the king probably wouldn't even need to sense it because he knew what was going to unfold before it happened. (Crazy conspiracy theory: And the king might even be the hidden hand that sent an unknowing Puck off of the island so that his dust could ensure Guts and Casca survived the eclipse, after his other agent rescued them, and then lead them back to the island?! Okay, probably not.)