8 year-old shooting Father and killing him!!

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smoke

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I think everybody ought to kill somebody at some point. How can you claim to have lived a full life if "murder" isn't on your resume somewhere?

This guy just got it out of the way early, and for that I salute him.
 
Aazealh

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smoke said:
I think everybody ought to kill somebody at some point. How can you claim to have lived a full life if "murder" isn't on your resume somewhere?

This guy just got it out of the way early, and for that I salute him.
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Somehow I have the feeling there's a lot of things in life he's not going to experience because of it.
 
Ramen4ever

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smoke said:
I think everybody ought to kill somebody at some point. How can you claim to have lived a full life if "murder" isn't on your resume somewhere?

This guy just got it out of the way early, and for that I salute him.
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What does murder have to do with living a full life? It doesn't even matter in the long run of your life as it's just another one of those things that will be forgotten, it won't remain after your long gone. And for many people that's what living a full life is all about. To accomplish something in your life with value that continues on long after you have departed from this world. Whether its a family, or something as simple as planting tree that will live on for hundreds of years after you. For some people it's the accumulation of material wealth while for others it's the achievement of a certain degree of spirituality. There are of course other ways to have a full life. However I seriously doubt that murdering someone is a requirement. If you think it is, you should probably check into an institution and get analyzed.

Then again.. if you murder someone famous. :ganishka:
 
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Ramen4ever said:
What does murder have to do with living a full life? It doesn't even matter in the long run of your life as it's just another one of those things that will be forgotten, it won't remain after your long gone. And for many people that's what living a full life is all about. To accomplish something in your life with value that continues on long after you have departed from this world. Whether its a family, or something as simple as planting tree that will live on for hundreds of years after you. For some people it's the accumulation of material wealth while for others it's the achievement of a certain degree of spirituality. There are of course other ways to have a full life. However I seriously doubt that murdering someone is a requirement. If you think it is, you should probably check into an institution and get analyzed.

Then again.. if you murder someone famous. :ganishka:
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I don't want to speak for smoke, but I think what he meant was more along the lines of experiencing as much as you can before you die, so you don't regret not doing it. Personally I want to know what human tastes like before I die, ever since I watched Ravenous it's been in the back of my head. :chomp:
 
Ramen4ever

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Deci said:
I don't want to speak for smoke, but I think he meant what he said more along the lines of experiencing as much as you can before you die, so you don't regret not doing it. Personally I want to know what human tastes like before I die, ever since I watched Ravenous it's been in the back of my head. :chomp:
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Cut off your penis and eat it. :carcus:
 
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Ramen4ever said:
Cut off your penis and eat it. :carcus:
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Inner thigh seems more like it to me, or perhaps parts of the face. Mmmm. Getting hungry just thinking about it.
 
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Okin

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You guys are being ridiculous. But if you ever need a limb removed, you'll at least know what to do with it! :beast:

I doubt the kid did it for the experience though.
 
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Okin

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They said he had to reload in between firing 4 shots in total. How long beforehand does one need to think through a homicide for it to be considered pre-meditated? If he owned the shotgun for some time, I see no way to think it otherwise though.
 
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Rhombaad said:
Guess it was premeditated afterall. Thanks for posting the video, Bob.
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Don't want to sound like a dick but the first article had a quote of a cop saying as much. I didn't think there was any doubt about that fact seeing how he killed two people and then calmly went to his neighbor to report what he'd done.

Okin said:
They said he had to reload in between firing 4 shots in total. How long beforehand does one need to think through a homicide for it to be considered pre-meditated? If he owned the shotgun for some time, I see no way to think it otherwise though.
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It's a .22 LR rifle, not a shotgun.

Vampire_Hunter_Bob said:
Well it's the news, it was probably a bolt action rifle. So it was more like charging the rifle 4 times.
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Could have been a 2+1 configuration as well, but I don't know if they even make those in the states given the availability of guns and lenient gun regulations.
 
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http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/11/26/20081126stjohns-boy1126-ON.html

An 8-year-old St. Johns boy charged with double-homicide may have kept a written record of spankings by his parents, vowing that the 1,000th would be his limit, according to a police records released Friday.

A search affidavit by Sgt. Lucas Rodriguez says the child "is believed to have made ledgers and or communicated in the form of writings about his intentions. (The boy) told a CPS . . . worker that when he reached one thousand spankings . . . that would be his limit. (The boy) kept a tally of his spankings on a piece of paper."

In a statement to police a day after the Nov. 5 killings, the boy said he had been spanked the day before the shootings because he did not complete a school assignment.

The juvenile is charged with shooting his father and a family friend, 39-year-old Timothy Romans, at the family's home in St. Johns.

According to the police records, family members were not surprised when told one day after the slayings that the boy had confessed to murder. Police Chief Roy Melnick says in his report, "I comforted them as best we could. After several minutes, (the boy's grandmother) shouted out in an angry and loud tone, 'I knew this would happen. They were too hard on (the boy). I knew (he) did it. He spent the night in my bed cuddling up to me. I had a feeling he did it. If any eight year old boy is capable of doing this, it's (him).'

"She then started to tell me something and then stopped herself. She took several deep breaths, wanting to tell me more but stopped herself."

Melnick says the grandmother then said the boy's stepmother suspected the child that night. At that point, the child's grandfather added, "If any eight year old was capable of doing this, (the 8-year-old) was." And the grandmother said, "I knew this was going to happen, they were too hard on (him)."

The Arizona Republic is not naming the boy or his family members due to the suspect's age.

Search warrant records are contained in a police report made available by the Apache County Attorney's Office.

The case file contains other revelations, including statements from friends that Romans and the boy's father had been involved in disputes with co-workers at the nearby power plant, and with men at a local bar.

Records indicate the 8-year-old had no history of psychiatric care and was not on any medications. The search warrant affidavit contains the first public disclosure that the child had been in contact with Child Protective Services workers. CPS cases are confidential, and an Apache County Superior Court judge has imposed a gag order, so the timing and context of his statement remains unclear.

The search warrant return does not appear to list any kind of spankings ledger among items recovered from the family residence. It does note that evidence includes a spelling worksheet with blood on it and a white sheet of paper labeled, "Story (boy's first name) the Family."

One day after the killings, the boy gave police a statement which they have characterized as a confession. In it, he provided various explanations for what had happened, finally declaring that he had shot his father and the other man twice each to stop their suffering after they had been wounded by an unknown person.

At the end of the interview, the boy curled into a fetal position and hid his face. When asked what he was thinking, he told investigators, "Going to juvie."
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And apparently he was pressured by the police officers during the first interrogation.
 
Proj2501

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Wow, this seems like such a tragic case. Unbelievable when you first hear the 8 year old did it, but after awhile it just seems very sad. The boy seemed to be the victim of somewhat excessive abuse. 8yr olds are generally confused and still somewhat innocent individuals. 1000 spankings? Come on, I wasn't the greatest child and I can count the times I got spanked on one hand. They never answered it in the text, did he ever actually receive that many spankings?
 
Vampire_Hunter_Bob

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Proj2501 said:
They never answered it in the text, did he ever actually receive that many spankings?
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I don't think we will ever know to be honest. My guess is the only person that kept count of the spankings was the 8 year old. What I want to know is did the friend of the family have anything to do with the beatings?
 
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Proj2501 said:
Wow, this seems like such a tragic case. Unbelievable when you first hear the 8 year old did it, but after awhile it just seems very sad. The boy seemed to be the victim of somewhat excessive abuse. 8yr olds are generally confused and still somewhat innocent individuals. 1000 spankings? Come on, I wasn't the greatest child and I can count the times I got spanked on one hand. They never answered it in the text, did he ever actually receive that many spankings?
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It's hard to say. Apparently there was blood on the papers he wrote this stuff on too, so I'm not even sure they were simple spankings.

Vampire_Hunter_Bob said:
What I want to know is did the friend of the family have anything to do with the beatings?
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Yeah, that's a good question. If he was beaten it explains why he killed his father, but why the other guy?
 
Ramen4ever

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I was totally on the right track with my initial suspicions. .. I should become a detective. :ganishka:
.. maybe not.

I think this video should give some very good insights into the incident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5jlrxcpkI

For future note, I got spanked for like over a decade. :troll:
 
Vampire_Hunter_Bob

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Ramen4ever said:
I think this video should give some very good insights into the incident.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn5jlrxcpkI

For future note, I got spanked for like over a decade. :troll:
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You know my dad being the immigrant from another country wasn't really into spankings all that much. Now my white mother on the other hand, HOLY SHIT she's scary. I remembered telling her that it was illegal to spank your kids, like that guy it was a bad idea. :judo:
 
Ramen4ever

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Vampire_Hunter_Bob said:
You know my dad being the immigrant from another country wasn't really into spankings all that much. Now my white mother on the other hand, HOLY SHIT she's scary. I remembered telling her that it was illegal to spank your kids, like that guy it was a bad idea. :judo:
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My entire family are immigrants to Canada and both my parents knew how to do their beatings. I actually tried to use that threat once. the child helpline. Problem was I didn't even know the number and no kid in their right mind would try to get their parents in trouble when they were the ones who initially caused the problem. A wooden spatula, the spanking tool of my nightmares. :troll:
 
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