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The consequence of getting creative with a limited budget. Maybe the 2nd Berserk Arc will have a bigger purse as production goes.
hellrasinbrasin said:The consequence of getting creative with a limited budget.
Let's put this in perspective--we don't yet know that they're cutting the entire conspirator plot. There's just no evidence yet, in promotional materials or the trailer itself, that these scenes are in the movie. But, if they were to cut it, however, it would be missing out on a key scene in Griffith's development, particularly in relationship to Guts. Remember, after the queen was burned, Griffith asks Guts if this makes him cruel. Guts reassures him that this is the path he set out on.Draculoid said:As much as having anything cut just plain old sucks, can the plot still not hold together fine without the assassination/Foss? Obviously the assassination is important as far as developing Griffith and his conquering of the kingdom but I mean...I believe it is possible to work around it somehow (I still hope it's included mind you) and there are many other instances in this section that develop Griffiths character in a similar fashion. Again not saying I like it, but if something had to be cut due to time constraints.....
I mean, could they not just have any other random villager take Foss's place later on when he appears? Shit sucks but, it's not plot destroying.
Walter said:Let's put this in perspective--we don't yet know that they're cutting the entire conspirator plot. There's just no evidence yet, in promotional materials or the trailer itself, that these scenes are in the movie. But, if they were to cut it, however, it would be missing out on a key scene in Griffith's development, particularly in relationship to Guts. Remember, after the queen was burned, Griffith asks Guts if this makes him cruel. Guts reassures him that this is the path he set out on.
If the bath scene is missing, where Griffith outlines his dream to Guts, and then THIS scene goes missing, in which Guts reassures Griffith in an ethically vulnerable moment... that's a substantial portion of their emotional development as characters that's been washed away in favor of running time. I'm not sure the sacrifice scenes will have as much impact on the audience without these key moments.
Draculoid said:As much as having anything cut just plain old sucks, can the plot still not hold together fine without the assassination/Foss?
Draculoid said:I mean, could they not just have any other random villager take Foss's place later on when he appears? Shit sucks but, it's not plot destroying.
Walter said:I really like the music in this one--the stuff that plays before Aria. Wonder if that's in the movie, or just trailer hype.
Walter said:As I feared...
You guys that saw the movie have really been holding out on the changes I demand a full report!
StarKodama said:BUT I still think the assassination plot will be in the second movie, because in the preview for the second movie shown at the end of the first movie, I seem to remember a little shot of Griffith on the ground, looking up at a burning castle.
Thanks for the update. More questions are springing to to mind though... So, if the bath scene is missing, then how is the Beherit introduced in the story? That scene was where Griffith told Guts where he got it, what the significance of it is, and it also opens its eye at Guts for a moment. Does that happen in the movie?StarKodama said:Yes sir!! But honestly, I can't think of anything else that hasn't been mentioned here. The scene with Griffith and Guts splashing water around is missing, and there was no mention whatsoever of Foss and the queen. Julius decides to kill Griffith entirely of his own volition. Other than that, it was pretty faithful, I think.
BUT I still think the assassination plot will be in the second movie, because in the preview for the second movie shown at the end of the first movie, I seem to remember a little shot of Griffith on the ground, looking up at a burning castle.
Cronus said:Not likely in the movie. It's basically generic 'epic music' farmed out. Movie companies just license it for use most of the time, including WB I would imagine. Immediate Music does a lot of this if you search.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsoktnM0e0k
Walter said:So, if the bath scene is missing, then how is the Beherit introduced in the story? That scene was where Griffith told Guts where he got it, what the significance of it is, and it also opens its eye at Guts for a moment. Does that happen in the movie?
We can see the Beherit in the first 10 minutes.StarKodama said:If memory serves, the Beherit doesn't appear until the scene with Zodd.
Metatron said:All music present in the trailers for the first movie were part of the soundtrack. I'd say it's very probable it's the same case now.
StarKodama said:Yes sir!! But honestly, I can't think of anything else that hasn't been mentioned here. The scene with Griffith and Guts splashing water around is missing, and there was no mention whatsoever of Foss and the queen. Julius decides to kill Griffith entirely of his own volition. Other than that, it was pretty faithful, I think.
BUT I still think the assassination plot will be in the second movie, because in the preview for the second movie shown at the end of the first movie, I seem to remember a little shot of Griffith on the ground, looking up at a burning castle.
SuperVegetto said:Didn't you bother clicking to that link?
Draculoid said:You mentioned it in the podcast Walter so I'm quoting you here, but honestly, with these cuts "what's the point?!". It was supposed to fully faithful adaptation of the manga, I don't obviously need it to be panel for panel, but you have to start questioning their claim to "faithfulness" after a certain point.
DirectDK said:And judging from the 2 people on the boards that have seen it, they seem to feel overall quite positive about the film too, despite the shortcomings, which I think is an important thing to keep in mind as well.
Your head is in the sand.berserkfan said:As long as Miura is alright with it, I'm sure we have nothing to worry about. With Miura approving of all the changes, there's no way they can hit a dead end in terms of the plot.