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Smith said:Maybe I should say this: What do u benefit after 3 pages of argument in the thread? Izzit worth the time and the effort of typing so much? ::)
You learn stuff. Why else?
Smith said:Maybe I should say this: What do u benefit after 3 pages of argument in the thread? Izzit worth the time and the effort of typing so much? ::)
Kart said:true, but in america we have "affirmitive action" basically, a medicore student thats a minorty, gets in over a great student thats white, it works in jobs, schools, in alot of things, it's really not fair anymore because minortys arn't discriminated againist anymore..or atleast very widely.
conservatives tend to regurgitate what people tell them. Thats why they're so hypocritical.
I have a very good friend who is gay. He, myself, and a couple other guys usually play video games together. I still do not agree with Gay marriage and the funny thing is, neither does he. He is perfectly happy with where he is in life.
It may be asked, "Why do you want it? Some men have got along very well without it. Women have not this right."...I will tell you why we want it. We want it because it is our right, first of all. No class of men can, without insulting their own nature, be content with any deprivations of their rights...
I think that Gay people can be Gay, but to force everyone to acknowledge and respect the union of two people of the same sex is not right. Being religious and believing in the Bible does not make a person close-minded. It simply means that they were taught morals that do not agree with certain things. It also does not make a person a redneck or a KKK member
I accept a conservative's lifestyle. I never said i didnt. However, i do disagree with a few conservative views. For instance, when conservatives infringe on other's rights in a self righteous manner. Its not like im making laws to stop your way of life right? Why make laws to stop other people's way of life?Second, your entire argument is about accepting someone else's lifestyle. If someone believes in a conservative lifestyle, that would mean you think less of them by the way you are talking. Wouldn't that make yourself a little bit of a hypocrit as well?
I dunno, do you blindly follow your beliefs without ever questioning them? If you do, what makes you think that you wouldnt own slaves if you were raised in believing blacks were an inferior race?You know what? I'm a conservative who has not been to church since he was four years old. I have tried drinking, smoking cigarettes, smoking pot, etc. Does that mean I am a hypocrit? I do not think so, because I discovered my values from a variety of places and I am proud of who it has led me to become. But, since I am a conservative, does that mean I am below you and you should talk down to me? Sounds like you are the one who would have owned the slaves back in the day.
pheonixfenix said:Now, I was insulting DemonX's education because the "gays transmitt AIDS" crap was a myth that started 20-30 years ago when AIDS was first discovered. It was dispelled LONG ago, and I assumed that no one still believed this horseshit. But guess what?
I dont know what news source you listen to. I've never heard this on the news. Secondly, DemonX was inferring that only gays had AIDS, and that they were responsible for transmitting it to the straight population. Of course, this makes no sense of course, by simple logic. But the myth was prevalant a few decades ago, along with the myth that AIDS could by transfered by toilet seat.ZODDGUTS said:Wait then why do I keep hearing on the news that Gay people usually males have a higher chance of getting aids. So what their saying on the news is false. :-\
I dont know what news source you listen to. I've never heard this on the news.
in essence, it means that although they dont have the right, although they dont need the right, they should still have it, otherwise they will be forever regarded as a lesser kind of person. Although some may not even want it, They should still have the right to choose.
Why do people oppose change? Because they dont understand it. Why dont they understand it? Often its because they dont want to think about it, or dont bother to think about it.
the uneducated generally make the worst decisions, as you could tell in 9-11 and the war on Iraq.
Granted, there are conservatives that dont regurgitate what they've been told. They are a rarity, and not extremely conservative.
But, believing in the bible blindly without questioning it does make you close minded.
You can insult them injury them kill them as long as you assume responsibilities. Just acknowlege your homophobe/xenophobe/violent and mentally sick
see? you do learn things when you get into debates like this. I actually did not know this statistic. Interesting to know. However, I do maintain that Gays are not the only ones trasmitting this disease, as the pie charts show. DemonX however, implied that gays were the only ones that transmitted AIDS.http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/od/news/At-a-Glance.pdf
That sheet has a lot of information on the facts. I am not being hateful towards gay people with this, I just wanted to show you the sheet with the facts. Read the chart pertaining to Annual New Infections in Men.
The right to vote and the right to be married are very different things. Voting is much more important than being married. But, let's just go along with your analogy. "If a couple cannot be married, then they are not regarded as equal." I very much disagree with that statement. If people do not agree with homosexual people wanting to be married, then it is most likely that they still will not agree with those people after they are married. Furthermore, forcing a person to recognize such a union will only cause more oppostion to the idea. But I still say that this is a very poor analogy based on the importance voting holds compared to the importance marriage holds.
I agree.Perhaps it is not that people do not understand the change. Many people, believe it or not, do question their beliefs. You need to realize, though, that a person can question their beliefs and explore other lifestyles and still find that they agree with their original beliefs the most. That does not make them close-minded. It just means that they have decided that a change is not needed. I know that change is often necessary, but that does not mean that everything should be changed. Because many people feel a change is needed does not mean everyone does. Just as many people feel Gay marriage is acceptable, but that does not mean everyone must accept it.
Dont get me wrong, this was not a shot at the president. That being said, i do not like our president at all....but that is for another debate. What i meant was that our intelligence was skewed, and that we attacked Iraq for things that did not really exist. And now people are dying in that sand trap. It was a big mistake, and even you have to agree.Do you have to turn this into a shot at the president, because it is obvious that is what the end of that sentence was meant to do.
Tickets to heaven, taxes being paid directly to the church, religous wars, pedophilic priests. Thats what happens when you dont question your values. Granted, thats changed now, but only because they have been brought to light. Its not just the bible, but the church, and the government as well. When these things happen, then yes, we are blind followers. Just like people who rally behind the president simply because he is president. Once you start questioning the president, you realize all the mistakes he has made.Again, who is to say that a person who believes in the Bible has never questioned it? Many people question their faith, but because they decide they still have that faith, you think they are blind followers? I really don't want to get into a religion debate, I just want to let you know that many believers have, in fact, questioned their faith at one point or another. Because they decided to keep their faith, does not mean that they are nothing more than blind followers. It is simply a matter of preference.
Fair enough, its just that i meet too many hypocritical conservatives, so i assume they have no idea what they are talking about. I met a conservative that stated "conservatives are not against abortion." So yes, i apoligize if i come across that way.How do you know they are a rarity? How do you know that these conservatives have not taken the time to decide what they feel is right or not. I think you are showing that it is not just unedjucated people that you are prejudice, but conservatives as well.
Right back at you. Although I often clash with conservatives; you guys are needed in our society. Conservatives generally keep society anchored somewhere, and the liberals just have to work all that much harder to change society. And if it is worth the effort, then you know that it cant be that bad.Semi-Off-topic: Man, I love dabates
As heated as these discussions may become, I do respect your opinion, pheonixfenix (and everyone else's too, I just have not been adressing everyone else's posts). I don't want you to think I am taking anything personally and I hope you do not do so either. BTW, Zortham, you really need to calm down, there is no hate being spread here, only differing opinions
Kart said:or maybe, YOU LEARN TO FUCKING SPELL.
Kart said:I don't care about that, I just would like to, you know, BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND YOU...and i've posted fairly intelligently.
Starscream said:The way I see it, today, marriage is a legal document that says that it is the law that everyone must recognize a union of two people. It has many other meanings but that is a big one of them. Because many people are very religious and do not agree with the Gay lifestyle, they should not be forced to recognize such things.
Starscream said:The right to vote and the right to be married are very different things. Voting is much more important than being married.
TheSkyTraveller said:Does that mean that I shouldn't be allowed to marry him? That our marriage should be illegal? People's personal objections are just not a good enough reason for gay marriage to be illegal. Lots of people would also object to a 70 year old man marrying a 21 year old woman, even if they're both consenting adults. Does that mean because of those people, it should be illegal for them to marry, too? Where do you draw the line?
ZODDGUTS said:I say when a 13 year old girl is getting married with a 50 year old man. I was watching the spanish news and they showed a 13 year old girl and a 50 year old man in Mexico that got married. They said "that love transcends age so age it's not a matter". Even if their in "love" don't you feel that it's just not right. I guess people will have different views about that.
TheSkyTraveller said:In my example, I made it a point to say the woman was 21 for a reason. A 13 year old doesn't have enough life experience to really know if marriage is the right thing for them. And what, emotionally, could a 13 year old offer a 50 year old? There are probably some alterior motives involved. However, a person in their early twenties usually does have the presence of mind to decide who and when to marry.
Technically, the Marriage Document is a legal form. Since there is an amendment (i think, i oughtta check up on this one) that seperates church from state, the marriage liscence is something non-religous. Marriage ceremonies are religious, and people dont have to have a marriage ceremony to be married.Kart said:let me bring up a point.
I believe marriage, in the concept we have today, may have been a christian thing, ergo they say they want it defended, although I'm probably wrong.
but basically, right now it feels to me as if it they are just saying "we want marriage, we want the benefits" if so they're claiming it for the wrong reasons, they could have avoided it by saying "We want the same benefits" not "We want marriage" it would have allowed christians to keep it sacred and the benefits, but its just one of the ways it may have been avoided, but that's just a thought, probably flawed.
So it's cool being a red, isn't it? ;)pheonixfenix said:Thats the great part about America. you and I can have opposing views and niether of us has to go to jail for expressing those ideas.
Granted calling DemonX a redneck and a KKK member was a low blow. I am sorry for insulting you like that DemonX.
Hehe i was calm this quote was linked to the DemonX one :
DemonX however, implied that gays were the only ones that transmitted AIDS.
DemonX was inferring that only gays had AIDS, and that they were responsible for transmitting it to the straight population
I was insulting DemonX's education
And why do you hate gays? I feel humans are free to live their lives the way they want. If that's what they choose, then so be it. To each his own, right?