I am soooooo glad that I found this site. It makes the Berserk universe alot more interesting.
Anyways, for this thread, I was wondering if anyone has been thinking of the same thing as me. Is Guts more like Griffith then we first think? This is in contrast to Griffith before he became a God hand. I'm talking about the charismatic Griffith that people like, or completely hate.
Griffith is able to rise to power quickly using his charisma, his great wit and knowledge. Sure, he helps out others, but that's mostly so that he can get something in return. The only time I can recall when he helped just to be nice was when he first met Casca. He puts on this facade to get others to either help him, or to manipulate them into his schemes. He almost does nothing nice for free.
Guts on the other hand, tends to be a good guy all around. Sure he kills a bunch of people, and seems to be stoic when it comes to people he doesn't know, but he is quite nice. This seems to have been discussed before, but not specifically, so I started this. He also seems to be able to get people to trust and like him, no matter what the situation started out as. A good example would be Farnese. At first, she totally hates him, but he still saves her when she was about to smack her head against the rocks. This wasn't to get something in return, but he did it because ....... I'm not really sure. I'll just say he's a nice guy. But now she looks up to him as the guy that will open her eyes to the 'real' world (I use this term loosely because the real world is rapidly shifting in Berserk). I also think that she likes him. I say this because when her mother asks "Do you have someone you love?", she first thinks of Guts. Casca is another good example. She completely hates him, and would have killed him initially had it not been for Griffith, but ends up in love with him. Even Corkus likes him at the end. I get this from when he says "It's not your fault Griffith turned into that. Definetly not, definetly not..." in Vol. 9 after he defeats Silat. Of course, that could just be him saying Guts wasn't that important to the Hawks. And is it just me, or does everyone seem to initially hate Guts (except Griffith, Puck and the like)?
Griffith is able to bring people too him because he makes himself appear like a man they should follow. Guts is just being Guts. Because of that, the first impression people get from him is that he is a cold, cruel, heartless man(reminds me of when Puck says "From now on you call yourself the Heartless Swordsman ..... Goodbye and good luck, Hearless Swordsman!" Gave me a chuckle). But after meeting with him more then once, people start to like him without even knowing it. He is able to get people to follow him and be extremely loyal to him. I think Griffith saw this in him, that's why he wanted him to stay. Don't forget that Guts is also smart, even though he mostly appears dumb. If he wasn't smart, then he wouldn't have survived the fight with the Apostles, no matter how strong he was. Don't forget what Rickert said on the Hill of Swords "Gut's wits are incredible!" He is even kind. If he didn't care about other people (besides the ones traveling with him), he wouldn't have turned Jill away. He would have just said "Whatever", and killed her when a ghost took over her body.
To conclude this, I believe that Guts better at getting people to follow and like him then Griffith was. He never has any schemes, and would never betray his friends, unless they screwed him over first. He is also very honest and honorable (Serpico says this after their duel in Virtanis [or Vritanis, I can't tell]).
What do you think?
Added March 05, 2006:
I also wanted to mention what Forest Wraith said in his reply. Gut's does seem to be able to say the right thing at the right time. He says things that give people hope, help them realize something, or just say things that are necessary. That's probably another reason why people are really loyal to him. He also says some pretty great lines.
Anyways, for this thread, I was wondering if anyone has been thinking of the same thing as me. Is Guts more like Griffith then we first think? This is in contrast to Griffith before he became a God hand. I'm talking about the charismatic Griffith that people like, or completely hate.
Griffith is able to rise to power quickly using his charisma, his great wit and knowledge. Sure, he helps out others, but that's mostly so that he can get something in return. The only time I can recall when he helped just to be nice was when he first met Casca. He puts on this facade to get others to either help him, or to manipulate them into his schemes. He almost does nothing nice for free.
Guts on the other hand, tends to be a good guy all around. Sure he kills a bunch of people, and seems to be stoic when it comes to people he doesn't know, but he is quite nice. This seems to have been discussed before, but not specifically, so I started this. He also seems to be able to get people to trust and like him, no matter what the situation started out as. A good example would be Farnese. At first, she totally hates him, but he still saves her when she was about to smack her head against the rocks. This wasn't to get something in return, but he did it because ....... I'm not really sure. I'll just say he's a nice guy. But now she looks up to him as the guy that will open her eyes to the 'real' world (I use this term loosely because the real world is rapidly shifting in Berserk). I also think that she likes him. I say this because when her mother asks "Do you have someone you love?", she first thinks of Guts. Casca is another good example. She completely hates him, and would have killed him initially had it not been for Griffith, but ends up in love with him. Even Corkus likes him at the end. I get this from when he says "It's not your fault Griffith turned into that. Definetly not, definetly not..." in Vol. 9 after he defeats Silat. Of course, that could just be him saying Guts wasn't that important to the Hawks. And is it just me, or does everyone seem to initially hate Guts (except Griffith, Puck and the like)?
Griffith is able to bring people too him because he makes himself appear like a man they should follow. Guts is just being Guts. Because of that, the first impression people get from him is that he is a cold, cruel, heartless man(reminds me of when Puck says "From now on you call yourself the Heartless Swordsman ..... Goodbye and good luck, Hearless Swordsman!" Gave me a chuckle). But after meeting with him more then once, people start to like him without even knowing it. He is able to get people to follow him and be extremely loyal to him. I think Griffith saw this in him, that's why he wanted him to stay. Don't forget that Guts is also smart, even though he mostly appears dumb. If he wasn't smart, then he wouldn't have survived the fight with the Apostles, no matter how strong he was. Don't forget what Rickert said on the Hill of Swords "Gut's wits are incredible!" He is even kind. If he didn't care about other people (besides the ones traveling with him), he wouldn't have turned Jill away. He would have just said "Whatever", and killed her when a ghost took over her body.
To conclude this, I believe that Guts better at getting people to follow and like him then Griffith was. He never has any schemes, and would never betray his friends, unless they screwed him over first. He is also very honest and honorable (Serpico says this after their duel in Virtanis [or Vritanis, I can't tell]).
What do you think?
Added March 05, 2006:
I also wanted to mention what Forest Wraith said in his reply. Gut's does seem to be able to say the right thing at the right time. He says things that give people hope, help them realize something, or just say things that are necessary. That's probably another reason why people are really loyal to him. He also says some pretty great lines.